**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 07 02:59:58 2013
Nov 07 03:43:32 <JetForMe> WTH. I just installed Angstrom, then installed ros, then used git to get some stuff for ros (what I should've done in the beginning), and now suddenly my root user has a password
Nov 07 03:43:53 <JetForMe> Is there any way to log into BBB via the console if you don't know the root password?
Nov 07 03:47:14 <MobileWill> Hi all, can someone help with cross-compiling and archtecture errors with different images for the beaglebone black?
Nov 07 03:47:22 <MobileWill> Here is where I am at
Nov 07 03:47:23 <MobileWill> https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts/issues/32
Nov 07 03:53:38 <MobileWill> What is the difference with the images that have v in front of the year
Nov 07 03:59:15 <N2TOH> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1070166362/super-macro-bot/?ref=kicktraq
Nov 07 03:59:51 <N2TOH> ok maybe a dumb question, but can't the Beaglebone Black do this with it's USB device port?
Nov 07 04:08:46 <jkridner> N2TOH: isn't that a BeagleBone Black on the video?
Nov 07 04:09:21 <jkridner> ah, original beaglebone
Nov 07 04:09:52 <jkridner> $850,000 goal?!?
Nov 07 04:10:32 <jkridner> not with this video.
Nov 07 04:11:02 <jkridner> yeah, don't know why they need the teensy
Nov 07 04:12:28 <jkridner> N2TOH: I agree with you, this can be done with the BeagleBone Black USB ports alone.
Nov 07 04:12:33 <N2TOH> Does the original beaglebone allow you to console into it via a USB port
Nov 07 04:12:49 <N2TOH> my next question, how?
Nov 07 04:12:53 <jkridner> wonder if he ever saw http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2010_Projects/USBSniffer
Nov 07 04:13:28 <jkridner> N2TOH: the g_multi driver provides virtual serial, virtual Ethernet and mass storage all at the same time.
Nov 07 04:13:55 <N2TOH> COOL!
Nov 07 04:15:13 <N2TOH> I will have to read into that further in the morning
Nov 07 04:16:58 <ZiNC> Hmm... is Bluetooth PAN a viable thing to use on Windows and other stock desktop OSes?
Nov 07 04:17:18 <N2TOH> why would you need it?
Nov 07 04:18:23 <ZiNC> I guess wireless USB might be the ultimate solution, except that it doesn't really exist yet.
Nov 07 04:18:48 <ZiNC> Trying to find a driverless way to communicate wireless.
Nov 07 04:18:50 <mrpackethead> http://www.beaglepro.com
Nov 07 04:19:17 <ZiNC> +ly
Nov 07 04:29:58 <JetForMe> anyone know if it's possible to build a linux from scratch using clang/LLVM for BBB?
Nov 07 04:33:41 <dcj123> Does anyone know how to access the U-Boot prompt? I am reading that you tap space upon powering the BBB up but thats not working, why?
Nov 07 04:33:42 <thurgood> over the serial console you press any key when uboot is just about to hand off
Nov 07 04:34:49 <N2TOH> you can edit the config file so it will always ask
Nov 07 04:37:33 <dcj123> how might I do the config file method?
Nov 07 04:39:43 <digitalw00t> Hey guys.. need some help with pppd and a edge modem.
Nov 07 04:40:22 <digitalw00t> Been trying for a few days, but nothing.  I can use minicom and talk to it, I setup pppd, run it, and it runs, but I never get a network interface from it.
Nov 07 04:40:51 <eggzeck> $850,000 goal is steep lol
Nov 07 04:41:00 <eggzeck> And I can't even play that video.
Nov 07 04:46:01 <ZiNC> Nite.
Nov 07 04:47:23 <digitalw00t> Nobody remember how to do pppd?  Or how to get angstrom to work with it?
Nov 07 04:58:31 <digitalw00t> No takers?
Nov 07 05:23:03 <dcj123> Is there way to access the U-Boot prompt with the uEnv.txt file insteed of using a serial console?
Nov 07 06:01:56 <eggzeck-laptop> Man I love my beagle!
Nov 07 06:02:06 <eggzeck-laptop> this thing is amazing
Nov 07 06:02:48 <digitalw00t> eggzeck.. what do you do with yours?
Nov 07 06:04:45 <eggzeck-laptop> I did a couple of things and working on one project for future use and perhaps offer it to the public.
Nov 07 06:05:01 <eggzeck-laptop> But I have a newborn baby, so I created my own video monitor with audio
Nov 07 06:05:03 <digitalw00t> Are you using angstrom on it?  Or another distro?
Nov 07 06:05:10 <eggzeck-laptop> Angstrom
Nov 07 06:05:38 <eggzeck-laptop> My baby monitor also detects when my baby is moving
Nov 07 06:05:42 <eggzeck-laptop> love it
Nov 07 06:06:35 <digitalw00t> Glad to hear it.. and congrats.
Nov 07 06:06:51 <digitalw00t> Don't suppose you remember how to use pppd to connect to the net via a modem do you?
Nov 07 06:06:52 <eggzeck-laptop> ty, and ty very much. She's amazing :D
Nov 07 06:07:14 <digitalw00t> I have 4 of my own.. so I know the feeling.
Nov 07 06:07:53 <eggzeck-laptop> Nice, congrats on every one.
Nov 07 06:08:03 <eggzeck-laptop> Wow PPPd, haven't played with that in a while
Nov 07 06:08:07 <eggzeck-laptop> What's your question?
Nov 07 06:08:12 <digitalw00t> Yeah.. 20 years here.. and it's driving me nutz.
Nov 07 06:08:18 <eggzeck-laptop> lol
Nov 07 06:08:28 <digitalw00t> I'm not familiar with angstrom.. and its killing me.
Nov 07 06:08:34 <digitalw00t> NOthing is where it is suppose to be for a linux distro.
Nov 07 06:08:44 <eggzeck-laptop> It's an embedded system
Nov 07 06:08:47 <eggzeck-laptop> So, be patient
Nov 07 06:09:01 <eggzeck-laptop> I just got mine not so long ago, 3 days to be exact
Nov 07 06:09:05 <digitalw00t> Heard linux, and made some wrong assumptions.
Nov 07 06:09:23 <eggzeck-laptop> Not really, even some man pages are missing, but commands are still there
Nov 07 06:09:29 <eggzeck-laptop> You just have to get used to it
Nov 07 06:10:12 <eggzeck-laptop> If you're REALLY bothered just install another distro like Debian
Nov 07 06:11:36 <digitalw00t> hehe.. I've got two bbb, so going to try ubuntu, just really wanted to use the default os.
Nov 07 06:11:38 <digitalw00t> But man..
Nov 07 06:12:10 <eggzeck-laptop> Yeah, some have nightmares of Angstrom hah
Nov 07 06:12:33 <digitalw00t> It's okay if you don't remember.. I odn't even remember how to do this.
Nov 07 06:12:43 <digitalw00t> pppd.. I never thought I'd be using that again.
Nov 07 06:12:58 <dm8tbr> angstrom is for people who want to be able to tailor an embedded distribution to their device
Nov 07 06:13:12 <dm8tbr> ubuntu and debian is for people who want to run a desktop distro
Nov 07 06:13:47 <eggzeck-laptop> yep
Nov 07 06:13:51 <digitalw00t> dm8tbr:  Which is why I wanted to use angstrom to connect to the net via a 2g edge modem.
Nov 07 06:14:01 <digitalw00t> I've got minicom to talk to it, but can't get ppp to setup the network.
Nov 07 06:14:43 <dm8tbr> why not use connman for that? IIRC it should be capable of doing that
Nov 07 06:14:49 <digitalw00t> And getting angstrom to give you anything as far as debugging information.
Nov 07 06:15:22 <digitalw00t> connman.. that a gui only affair?
Nov 07 06:16:46 <dm8tbr> no, it's a daemon
Nov 07 06:16:50 <eggzeck-laptop> https://connman.net/
Nov 07 06:16:54 <dm8tbr> but it might not do ppp
Nov 07 06:17:02 <digitalw00t> I'll check it out.. thanks.
Nov 07 06:25:21 <digitalw00t> Wow.. and if you tweak angstrom the wrong way.. it will never boot again.
Nov 07 06:25:27 <digitalw00t> It SOOO needs a console.
Nov 07 06:25:39 <eggzeck-laptop> use a serial connection
Nov 07 06:27:20 <digitalw00t> yeah.. workin on that.. just do not have oner
Nov 07 06:27:50 <dm8tbr> yes, embedded systems are a pain in the back without proper serial console. :)
Nov 07 06:36:42 <digitalw00t> And now.. to learn how to use connman.
Nov 07 06:36:52 <digitalw00t> It will connect to GSM, and this is a GSM 2g card.
Nov 07 06:37:00 <digitalw00t> Now to figure out how this thing works.
Nov 07 06:44:35 <eggzeck-laptop> digitalw00t: And the fun begins ;)
Nov 07 06:57:45 <`Ishq> ok, got USB ssh working again on Arch
Nov 07 07:45:38 <ccpplinux> hi
Nov 07 07:45:43 <ccpplinux> hi all
Nov 07 07:47:02 <ccpplinux> I would like to confirm whether the beagleboard black comes with graphical desktop environment of Angstrom Linux or not?
Nov 07 07:47:42 <dm8tbr> there are angstrom images with some sort of desktop, yes
Nov 07 07:49:44 <ccpplinux> Hi dm8tbr, can you please send me URL of those Angstrom images
Nov 07 07:50:31 <dm8tbr> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Nov 07 08:26:02 <paperboy> there is a tutorial for to install Qt libraries on Beagle?
Nov 07 08:29:44 <dm8tbr> follow the way for your distribution of installing qt libraries
Nov 07 08:39:52 <Quinto> there is a tutorial for to install Qt libraries on Beagle?
Nov 07 08:40:29 <KotH> 09:29 < dm8tbr> follow the way for your distribution of installing qt libraries
Nov 07 08:41:10 <Quinto> so i need a internet connection?
Nov 07 08:41:24 <KotH> no, you need to learn how to read
Nov 07 08:41:36 <Quinto> i'm already to read
Nov 07 08:42:08 <KotH> we dont know what distribution you are using on the beagle. so the only thing we can tell you is to read the documentation of your distro
Nov 07 08:42:29 <Quinto> Angstrom
Nov 07 08:42:34 <KotH> this does not necessarily involve a internet connection
Nov 07 08:42:34 <Quinto> default image
Nov 07 08:42:52 * KotH points at the documentation
Nov 07 08:42:54 <dm8tbr> but an internet connection would certainly make it easier
Nov 07 08:43:32 <_av500_> I thought angstrom ships with qt
Nov 07 08:43:47 <Quinto> i want run an example app on myBBB
Nov 07 08:43:49 <dm8tbr> haven't checked in a while
Nov 07 08:44:00 <Quinto> i have doing a simply app on my pc wth Qt
Nov 07 08:44:11 <Quinto> how i can run this on BBB ?
Nov 07 08:44:11 <_av500_> and do you have qt libs on your BBB?
Nov 07 08:44:17 <_av500_> did you check?
Nov 07 08:44:23 <Quinto> How?
Nov 07 08:44:32 <_av500_> in /usr/lib I guess
Nov 07 08:44:37 <_av500_> where are they on your PC?
Nov 07 08:45:39 <Quinto> usr/lib
Nov 07 08:45:49 <Quinto> but on BBB
Nov 07 08:45:54 <Quinto> i have 2000 lib
Nov 07 08:45:59 <Quinto> but i dont view Qt libraries
Nov 07 08:46:09 <woglinde> gm
Nov 07 08:47:48 <Quinto> there is a tutorial?
Nov 07 08:48:17 <eggzeck-laptop> Doesn't the BBB ship with a MicroSD card?
Nov 07 08:48:21 <_av500_> no
Nov 07 08:48:31 <_av500_> Quinto: i dont know
Nov 07 08:48:35 <_av500_> if there is, google would know
Nov 07 08:48:53 <eggzeck-laptop> K, ty
Nov 07 08:51:34 <Quinto> i dont find it :(
Nov 07 09:08:37 <keesj_> Morning
Nov 07 09:08:56 <eggzeck-laptop> morning
Nov 07 09:15:32 <Quinto> morning
Nov 07 09:33:55 <Quinto> What i must do for debug a simple C++ program on BBB from my pc?
Nov 07 09:34:01 <Quinto> i want do a remote debug
Nov 07 09:34:50 <LetoThe2nd> start gdbserver, then connect to it from your host.
Nov 07 09:34:52 <keesj_> how to you do local debug normally?
Nov 07 09:35:08 <`Ishq> Or just run gdb in screen and ssh into your bbb
Nov 07 09:35:15 <LetoThe2nd> yes.
Nov 07 09:35:44 <LetoThe2nd> not much of a difference there.
Nov 07 09:35:53 <Quinto> i have already ssh on my bbb
Nov 07 09:36:02 <Quinto> i must install gdb on BBB?
Nov 07 09:36:18 <LetoThe2nd> yes
Nov 07 09:36:30 <LetoThe2nd> just use it like you would on your host.
Nov 07 09:36:53 <Quinto> ok opkg install gdb
Nov 07 09:37:08 <LetoThe2nd> debugging on target is rarely really needed, usually the issues can be debugged the same on the host.
Nov 07 09:37:12 <`Ishq> I've found opkg to be really flaky
Nov 07 09:38:10 <Quinto> ok i've installed gdb
Nov 07 09:38:12 <Quinto> on BBB
Nov 07 09:38:14 <Quinto> and now?
Nov 07 09:38:19 <LetoThe2nd> use it.
Nov 07 09:38:27 <LetoThe2nd> gdb ./myfunnyapp
Nov 07 09:38:47 <LetoThe2nd> for gdb itself there is enough documentation available
Nov 07 09:39:06 <`Ishq> If you run it with arguments, gdb --args ./myfunnyapp --myargs -myarm -o two
Nov 07 09:40:33 <Quinto> no i want run app from my pc to BBB
Nov 07 09:40:37 <Quinto> and it work
Nov 07 09:40:43 <Quinto> but now i want debug it
Nov 07 09:40:46 <Quinto> remote debugger
Nov 07 09:40:51 <Quinto> but i have error
Nov 07 09:41:01 <LetoThe2nd> you are not listening.
Nov 07 09:41:08 <Quinto> Process /prova/prova_BBB created; pid = 2357 Cannot exec /prova/prova_BBB: Exec format error.  Child exited with status 127 No program to debug.  GDBserver exiting.
Nov 07 09:41:08 <LetoThe2nd> 10:34 < LetoThe2nd> start gdbserver, then connect to it from your host.
Nov 07 09:41:19 <Quinto> gdbserver on my pc?
Nov 07 09:41:24 <LetoThe2nd> also, there is enough documentation available
Nov 07 09:41:46 <LetoThe2nd> gdbserver on the BBB, gdb on the host
Nov 07 09:42:02 <LetoThe2nd> but that won't be different from gdb on the BBB directly.
Nov 07 09:42:15 <LetoThe2nd> so gdb on the BBB directly is the easier option.
Nov 07 09:43:55 <keesj_> LetoThe2nd: one can get to a decent setup with eclipse gdb remote.
Nov 07 09:43:57 <beagle13> Can anyone pls help in finding out CONFIG_MODVERSIONS in Beaglebone...
Nov 07 09:44:27 <LetoThe2nd> keesj_: one can. if one even knows what gdb is and how it basically works.
Nov 07 09:44:37 <Quinto> i'm using Qt
Nov 07 09:44:50 <Quinto> but a simple C++ with standard libraries
Nov 07 09:44:53 <keesj_> I my experiance like LetoThe2nd is saying using a debugger on the target is seldom usefull
Nov 07 09:45:41 <keesj_> make it work properly on the host first (e.g kill those NULL pointers). run it on the hardware
Nov 07 09:46:02 <keesj_> if it crashes use strace and printf
Nov 07 09:47:10 <keesj_> or just just bonescript. I did that for the first time last week (creating a stepper motor driver).
Nov 07 09:47:32 <keesj_> it is quite a good debugging environment
Nov 07 09:47:43 <Quinto> no i cant
Nov 07 09:47:46 <keesj_> it's just to easy. no fun here
Nov 07 09:48:05 <Quinto> my app read from a serial port
Nov 07 09:48:13 <LetoThe2nd> Quinto: learn proper debugging on the host first, thats the point.
Nov 07 09:48:14 <Quinto> and i must use debug for read data from serial port
Nov 07 09:48:28 <Quinto> host you mean my pc?
Nov 07 09:48:28 <LetoThe2nd> Quinto: and one can also read data from a serial port on the host.
Nov 07 09:48:49 <keesj_> also python. but no I want to feel pain and go where none has gone before. I want to do remote debugging on my target and want to use c++ and Qt and whatnot
Nov 07 09:49:12 <keesj_> also threads if possible because it makes it harder to debug.
Nov 07 09:49:13 <Quinto> yes
Nov 07 09:49:20 <Quinto> no is easy7
Nov 07 09:49:24 <Quinto> on my old board
Nov 07 09:49:25 <LetoThe2nd> anyways, i have made my point clear. no need to repeat. g'dday
Nov 07 09:49:26 <Quinto> imx53
Nov 07 09:49:34 <Quinto> it work correclty easly
Nov 07 09:49:44 <keesj_> also where can I find the symbols of the libraries?
Nov 07 09:50:47 <eggzeck-laptop> I guess doing an opkg update from eMMC was a bad idea...
Nov 07 09:50:49 <keesj_> Quinto that's great. but can you explain the difference between the vmx53 and the bbb. where you using some sort of SDK?
Nov 07 09:50:50 <Quinto> yes
Nov 07 09:51:15 <Quinto> nothing :P
Nov 07 09:51:54 <LetoThe2nd> eggzeck-laptop: opkg update is about always a bad idea. rather reflash it.
Nov 07 09:52:35 <eggzeck-laptop> LetoThe2nd: Yeah, I messed up.
Nov 07 09:52:42 <Quinto> keesj_: on my IDE i have alwayse same error!
Nov 07 09:52:48 <beagle13> I would like to know about :CONFIG_MODVERSIONS in Beaglebone...anyone can help  me plsa.......
Nov 07 09:53:32 <eggzeck-laptop> The dang thing ran out of space during the configuring stage
Nov 07 09:53:44 <eggzeck-laptop> arrrg
Nov 07 09:54:08 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep MODVERS
Nov 07 09:54:21 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: like on every linux that has /proc/config.gz enabled
Nov 07 09:54:29 <Quinto> Preparing remote side ... Killing remote process(es)... Remote process started. Process /prova/prova_BBB created; pid = 2775 Cannot exec /prova/prova_BBB: Exec format error.  Child exited with status 127 No program to debug.  GDBserver exiting.
Nov 07 09:54:30 <keesj_> Quinto: I whish you to stop PM'ing me
Nov 07 09:54:48 <Quinto> sorry you can answer me?
Nov 07 09:54:50 <keesj_> try a file /prova/prova_BBB on the board
Nov 07 09:55:43 <Quinto> cannot execute bynary file
Nov 07 09:56:32 <Quinto> if i compile it in release mode, app work  on target!
Nov 07 09:56:38 <Quinto> "HELLO WORLD"
Nov 07 09:58:06 <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd then what does "/usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-31/init/Kconfig" CONFIG_MODVERSIONS  for.. cant we edit that file
Nov 07 09:59:27 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: huh?
Nov 07 09:59:53 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: that is a configuration tool file in the kernel sources... you're pretty wrong there.
Nov 07 10:00:03 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: what is it you *actually* want to do?
Nov 07 10:01:12 <woglinde> fun again
Nov 07 10:01:14 <keesj_> Quinto: what does "file /prova/prova_BBB" return?
Nov 07 10:01:38 <woglinde> keesj_ I think he does not know how to crosscompile either
Nov 07 10:01:49 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: agreed.
Nov 07 10:02:51 <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd I wanted to run a module compiled in one kernel version, in another kernel version
Nov 07 10:03:47 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: does not work.
Nov 07 10:04:15 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: and that has nothing to do with that flag, at least not if you modify a text file. you would have to rebuild the kernel.
Nov 07 10:04:40 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: so either the force loading (REALLY BAD IDEA!!) or just rebuild the module, for the correct kernel.
Nov 07 10:04:59 <beagle13> @LetoThe2nd I read n an article "A module compiled for one kernel won't load if you boot a different kernel unless you enable CONFIG_MODVERSIONS in the kernel"  can you tell me what does this implies ..
Nov 07 10:05:17 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: no, have it wrong.
Nov 07 10:05:39 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: a kernel that has CONFIG_MODVERSIONS set will not load a module that will not fir.
Nov 07 10:06:44 <keesj_> "if i compile it in release mode, app work  on target" doesn't that suggest it does work on the target?
Nov 07 10:06:57 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: so because your module does not fit, the kernel protects itself by not loading it.
Nov 07 10:06:58 <keesj_> or is he running on the host
Nov 07 10:08:42 <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd : Im getting an error as "Module format Invalid" so was trying ways to rectify that.. can you help me on this..
Nov 07 10:09:00 <beagle13> I was trying a cross compilation
Nov 07 10:13:19 <Quinto> keesj_: if i compile prova_BBB in release mode from Qt it work, if i compile it in debug mode dont work!
Nov 07 10:14:42 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: then probably your toolchain and the kernel sources you use to buld do not match the target. check those and correct them accordingly.
Nov 07 10:14:43 <Quinto> on BBB
Nov 07 10:16:40 <woglinde> LetoThe2nd or easier use the kernel which he gets from the sources he uses
Nov 07 10:17:05 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: or even easier still, just compile on the BBB
Nov 07 10:18:07 <woglinde> LetoThe2nd depends on the modul
Nov 07 10:18:18 <keesj_> perhaps the Qt people can help you
Nov 07 10:18:25 <woglinde> host crosscompiling might be still faster
Nov 07 10:19:04 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: in most cases where people do not know how module versioning works, the compilation time ist not the bottleneck
Nov 07 10:19:17 <LetoThe2nd> (IMHO)
Nov 07 10:21:54 <woglinde> LetoThe2nd in most cases people do not know kernel compiling and flashing at all
Nov 07 10:22:16 <Quinto> keesj_: thanks for patience
Nov 07 10:22:27 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: exactly.
Nov 07 10:22:47 <woglinde> Quinto check that you have the same qt libs in your sdk and on your target
Nov 07 10:23:13 <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd : Im very new to Linux and Beaglebone.. Pls dont mind my silly questions ..
Nov 07 10:23:37 <woglinde> Quinto on some distros like oe based Angstroem you need to install -dbg packages to get the debugsymbols
Nov 07 10:24:08 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: its fine, but please actually do read up on stuff if someone gives you pointers or links to documentation here, instead of just asking the same thigns over and over again.
Nov 07 10:24:13 <Quinto> woglinde: you mean when i configure qt libraries?
Nov 07 10:24:37 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: and like i said - just install kernel-dev and kernel-headers on the BBB and compile you module there.
Nov 07 10:24:51 <woglinde> Quinto I do not know what you mean with configure qt libs
Nov 07 10:25:03 <Quinto> what is dbg packets?
Nov 07 10:25:07 <Quinto> how to install it?
Nov 07 10:25:11 <av500> debug symbols
Nov 07 10:25:14 <woglinde> Quinto if you are building qt yourself you can configure qt
Nov 07 10:25:31 <Quinto> ah yes yes
Nov 07 10:25:39 <woglinde> hm looks like quinto does not read well
Nov 07 10:25:40 <beagle13> @ LetoThe2nd : ok ..
Nov 07 10:25:40 <Quinto> but i have a plain C++ without Qt libraries
Nov 07 10:25:44 <av500> so does angstrom come with QT?
Nov 07 10:25:46 <av500> or not?
Nov 07 10:25:55 <woglinde> Quinto you are confused
Nov 07 10:26:07 <av500> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/
Nov 07 10:26:08 <woglinde> Quinto take a 10 minutes pause
Nov 07 10:26:13 <beagle13> Kernel-dev and Kernel-Headers intallation is done already..
Nov 07 10:26:14 <av500> this says, there is lots of qt
Nov 07 10:26:26 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: so, go ahead.
Nov 07 10:26:29 <woglinde> av500 does not mean it works on bbb
Nov 07 10:26:35 <av500> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=libqtgui4
Nov 07 10:26:43 <av500> but on ppc603!
Nov 07 10:26:44 <keesj_> Quinto: what does "file /prova/prova_BBB" tell you and can you use pastebin to print post the output of strace /prova/prova_BBB
Nov 07 10:28:42 <Quinto> woglinde: with dbg
Nov 07 10:28:45 <Quinto> i have 100 packets
Nov 07 10:31:31 <eggzeck-laptop> god I cancelled this "opkg update" from eMMC... Going to flash it using MicroSD sheesh
Nov 07 10:33:22 <beagle13> Is that possible to do a straight module compilation in beaglebone instead of cross compilation..
Nov 07 10:33:35 <woglinde> beagle13 yes
Nov 07 10:33:49 <woglinde> install gcc
Nov 07 10:34:07 <woglinde> and the exat revision of source code
Nov 07 10:36:58 <Quinto> woglinde: what i must install on BBB for debug in Angstrom?
Nov 07 10:41:25 <woglinde> Quinto the debug symbols
Nov 07 10:42:17 <Quinto> what package is?
Nov 07 10:44:29 <beagle13> i tried that...This is my Makefile content " make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) modules".. but there was no "build"  in my "3.8.13-bone20" .. So had to link the "build" to "/usr/lib" where i can see my headerfiles..but even after doing that.. I was unable to compile..
Nov 07 10:49:45 <phoohb> Eeew.. I tryed to make a wifi-hotspot outof BB. BUT the DebianOS froze/hang, when inserting the usbwifi (Belkin N150).
Nov 07 10:49:52 <LetoThe2nd> build should not link to usr/lib, but to /usr/src/3.8.13, IIRC. moment please.
Nov 07 10:50:09 <phoohb> Almost as Windows useto behave... "ugly"
Nov 07 10:50:44 <phoohb> question: what is the recomended OS (just Ångström or what)?
Nov 07 10:51:46 <LetoThe2nd> angstrom and debian probably see the most use, yes.
Nov 07 10:53:46 <phoohb> There are something wrong with the DeianOS, networking takes time.. and odd interfaces froze/hang the whole device.
Nov 07 10:56:34 <beagle13> @LetoThe2nd : nothing id there under src in my board..thats why I linked like that
Nov 07 10:56:47 <woglinde> beagle13 no header files under /usr/lib
Nov 07 10:56:58 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: just checked. build should link to /usr/src/kernel
Nov 07 10:57:13 <LetoThe2nd> if kernel-dev is installed, everything is there.
Nov 07 11:03:48 <beagle13> Kernel-dev is installed... but src has got nothing under..
Nov 07 11:06:16 <LetoThe2nd> then you're doing to wrong (TM)
Nov 07 11:06:26 <LetoThe2nd> i just verified with a fresh install.
Nov 07 11:07:39 <beagle13> whta i did for kernel dev is : "sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-de* "
Nov 07 11:07:51 <LetoThe2nd> on your host?!?
Nov 07 11:08:07 <beagle13> beaglebone..
Nov 07 11:08:08 <LetoThe2nd> i am *always* talking about the BBB itself
Nov 07 11:08:16 <LetoThe2nd> and i am talking about stock angstrom.
Nov 07 11:08:37 <beagle13> mine is ubuntu..
Nov 07 11:08:46 <LetoThe2nd> beagle13: so, beginner or not - you really could've mentioned that you are NOT running the standard.
Nov 07 11:09:12 <LetoThe2nd> then, ask the source whoever gave you the ubuntu to also give you the headers.
Nov 07 11:09:22 * LetoThe2nd is out of this, then.
Nov 07 11:10:34 <beagle13> Im a beginner only..doing all these with the help of frnds .. they said angstrom has got few limitation.. so they asked to use ubuntu..
Nov 07 11:11:23 <LetoThe2nd> i don't care, to be honest - i just feel like i wasted a lot of time and effort just because you didn't tell me what you are doing.
Nov 07 11:11:45 <LetoThe2nd> i told you to install "kernel-dev" - i did NOT tell you to install "linux-kernel-de*"
Nov 07 11:12:17 <LetoThe2nd> if you had told me that you were ignoring what i told you earlier, i could've done something useful. anyways.
Nov 07 11:12:24 <LetoThe2nd> good luck than. i'm out.
Nov 07 11:12:59 <beagle13> This is what i get when i do kernel dev "sudo apt-get install kernel-dev [sudo] password for ubuntu:  Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package kernel-dev
Nov 07 11:13:48 <LetoThe2nd> i know. blame ubuntu. blame yourselg for not listening. blame whoever. i'm off for lunch. have a nice day, everyone.
Nov 07 11:17:24 <ogra_> uh, why dont you just follow ubuntu documentation when using ubuntu ?
Nov 07 11:18:36 * ogra_ points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ARMKernelCrossCompile and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel in case you dont want a cross build 
Nov 07 11:46:05 <woglinde> ogra because nobody here get paid for chattting
Nov 07 11:46:29 <ogra_> why would that have anything to do with payment ?
Nov 07 11:47:07 <ogra_> if i use a fedora image i will read fedora docs ... using gentoo i'll read gentoo docs ... kind of seems logical to me
Nov 07 11:48:31 <fra> hy
Nov 07 11:49:41 <fra> I have installed , on my BBB, opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
Nov 07 11:50:26 <fra> at the end, I view: WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.13/modules.order: No such file or directory WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.13/modules.builtin: No such file or directory Collected errors:  * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded:  * 	kernel-image-3.2.30 *
Nov 07 11:50:50 <fra> my kernel is: 3.8.13
Nov 07 11:57:06 <fra> where is the problem?
Nov 07 12:19:10 <woglinde> fra do no know why qt includes kernel header
Nov 07 12:19:13 <woglinde> not
Nov 07 12:46:09 <mikethemis> 
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Nov 07 12:46:12 <mikethemis> Can someone tell me where I can find information about whether BeagleBone Black's ethernet port is electrically isolated? I want to know if it is, and I cannot find any information.
Nov 07 12:47:43 <KotH> it is isolated
Nov 07 12:47:45 <KotH> it has to be
Nov 07 12:50:05 <besoft> hello
Nov 07 12:50:55 <mikethemis> @KotH: thank you for your help. Why so you say it HAS to be? Do you know where I can find more informatoin? eg it is isolated up to how many VDC?
Nov 07 12:52:11 <KotH> the way ethernet is defined by the standard requires electrical isolation
Nov 07 12:52:37 <besoft> helo all
Nov 07 12:52:44 <besoft> i need help
Nov 07 12:52:48 <besoft> with bbb
Nov 07 12:52:58 <KotH> it would be theoretical possible to do it without magnetics, but that would be more difficult on the electronics side
Nov 07 12:53:05 <woglinde> hi koth
Nov 07 12:53:09 <KotH> salut woglinde
Nov 07 12:53:26 <KotH> woglinde: btw: wie war eigentlich der WAF der schokolade? :)
Nov 07 12:53:42 <dinesh_> hello
Nov 07 12:53:58 <besoft> hello
Nov 07 12:54:25 <woglinde> KotH tasty
Nov 07 12:54:33 <KotH> woglinde: :-)
Nov 07 12:54:34 <dinesh_> i am new to embedded world
Nov 07 12:54:36 <woglinde> I shared it with my family
Nov 07 12:54:42 <woglinde> dinesh we all were
Nov 07 12:54:48 <KotH> i still am
Nov 07 12:54:53 <woglinde> and we needed years to get a sane level
Nov 07 12:54:54 <dinesh_> want to start learning with beagle board
Nov 07 12:55:16 <KotH> besoft: if you want an answer, you should star by asking questions ;)
Nov 07 12:55:28 <dinesh_> could you suggest which i can take
Nov 07 12:55:33 <besoft> aha..ok..:-)
Nov 07 12:55:35 <KotH> dinesh_: 1) learn linux
Nov 07 12:55:38 <KotH> dinesh_: 2) try
Nov 07 12:55:41 <KotH> dinesh_: 3) fail
Nov 07 12:55:44 <KotH> dinesh_: 4) try again
Nov 07 12:55:50 <KotH> dinesh_: 5) goto 2
Nov 07 12:56:03 <dinesh_> i know linux
Nov 07 12:56:26 <dinesh_> want to start with boards
Nov 07 12:56:33 <KotH> dinesh_: same difference
Nov 07 12:56:36 <dinesh_> which is good to start
Nov 07 12:56:40 <dinesh_> on RTOS
Nov 07 12:56:47 <KotH> dinesh_: look something you want to build, build it, learn
Nov 07 12:57:00 <KotH> dinesh_: RTOS is a different beast, and linux isnt an RTOS
Nov 07 12:57:14 <KotH> dinesh_: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/157
Nov 07 12:57:36 <dinesh_> yeah i want to port any RTOS on beagle start with it developing some apllications
Nov 07 12:59:10 <besoft> today i recive a BBB ..I'm sorry, I'm not good at writing in English
Nov 07 13:00:19 <besoft> I could not load the drivers get an error that the version of the language is not correct
Nov 07 13:00:44 <besoft> i use win7
Nov 07 13:02:01 <besoft> If I have understood correctly, it's loaded with the new BBB distribution?
Nov 07 13:02:17 <woglinde> besoft install linux more fun more insight how stuff working and drivers working out of the box
Nov 07 13:02:59 <mikethemis> @KotH thank you again. So you say all ethernet ports in all devices are indeed electrically isolated to 1500VDC (since it is in the ethernet definition)  ?
Nov 07 13:03:27 <KotH> mikethemis: i dont know what the voltage level is required, but there is some isolation, yes
Nov 07 13:03:51 <besoft> also with the BBB want to get to know linux
Nov 07 13:04:10 <av500> besoft: its a know error, google for it and you will find a solution
Nov 07 13:04:17 <av500> somwething about editing the INF file
Nov 07 13:04:44 <besoft> ok..thanks for tip
Nov 07 13:04:53 <woglinde> re av500
Nov 07 13:05:03 <woglinde> evil old editing inf files
Nov 07 13:06:08 <mikethemis> @KotH Do you know where I can find more information (like the voltage level)? Beagleboard.org seems to have no information on the matter.
Nov 07 13:08:11 <Guest83729> hello guys, can i port RT-linux on beagleboard black
Nov 07 13:09:04 <SpeedEvil> First thing is to think if the PRUs will better serve your purpose.
Nov 07 13:09:27 <KotH> mikethemis: ieee 802 standards
Nov 07 13:10:33 <Guest83729> hello can  i port vx-works or rt-linux on beagleboard black
Nov 07 13:11:39 <keesj_> Nobody will stop you
Nov 07 13:11:56 <Rotti> isn't linuxcnc using some rt stuff?
Nov 07 13:12:07 <Rotti> there is an image somewhere...
Nov 07 13:12:29 <keesj_> I think most of the RT stuff is mainline. but we have the pru for hard readtime stuff.
Nov 07 13:12:36 <Quinto> if i want use USB for read/write from a device i need some diìriver for enable USB/Serial port?
Nov 07 13:12:51 <Quinto> i have a device USB but when i read, i dont read nothing!
Nov 07 13:13:51 <keesj_> Rotti: this stuff http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.nl/  ?
Nov 07 13:15:02 <mikethemis> @KotH ok, thank you again for your time.
Nov 07 13:15:10 <Rotti> keesj_: i have no idea... just saw a few days ago the list of linux images for the bbb and saw linuxcnc somewhere ;)
Nov 07 13:16:38 <fra> hello all
Nov 07 13:17:52 <keesj_> I will start a kids code & make space in two weeks from now. and I am currently working on a simple cnc machine for that purpose
Nov 07 13:17:58 <Quinto> is a FTDI Device
Nov 07 13:19:00 <keesj_> chocolate CNC. I don't know yet if I will use the BBB for that. arduino is also very tempting.
Nov 07 13:19:19 <ashu> how to port linux on beagle bone black, any link
Nov 07 13:21:08 <av500> its ported already
Nov 07 13:21:19 <av500> beaglebone.org
Nov 07 13:21:23 <av500> http://beaglebone.org
Nov 07 13:22:20 <ashu> i mean from scratch? step by step with mlo, uboot and kernel
Nov 07 13:23:18 <av500> still you dont mean porting
Nov 07 13:23:21 <av500> you mean compiling
Nov 07 13:23:23 <av500> installing
Nov 07 13:23:26 <av500> copying files
Nov 07 13:23:32 <av500> and stop PM'ingme
Nov 07 13:23:36 <ashu> yes
Nov 07 13:24:28 * KotH hands av500 some chocolate
Nov 07 13:25:49 <fra>  I just tried to install qt4-embedded on the BBB, and I received the following error:
Nov 07 13:25:59 <fra> > Collected errors: >  * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded: >  *      kernel-image-3.2.30 * >  * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package qt4-embedded.
Nov 07 13:26:07 <fra> why?
Nov 07 13:26:28 <fra> I have 3.8.13, kernel relase
Nov 07 13:28:16 <KotH> *sigh*
Nov 07 13:28:17 <jonpry> why does everybody want to run qt on beaglebone?
Nov 07 13:28:36 <av500> because gtk sucks more
Nov 07 13:28:40 <KotH> jonpry: the more important question is, why do people think that every problem they have is related to their kernel?
Nov 07 13:29:04 <KotH> av500: is there any usable toolkit out there that doesnt suck?
Nov 07 13:29:13 <KotH> av500: or even sucks less than qt?
Nov 07 13:29:51 <keesj_> qt's not bad, Android is not bad
Nov 07 13:30:14 <KotH> android is not a toolkit
Nov 07 13:30:32 <keesj_> right.
Nov 07 13:30:35 <KotH> i dont know yet what android is supposed to be, but it's definilty not a mere toolkit
Nov 07 13:33:01 <av500> android is an ad delivery platform
Nov 07 13:33:16 <ogra_> +1
Nov 07 13:33:33 <av500> its also a mobile phone user space and assorted kernel patches
Nov 07 13:33:38 <keesj_> to me it's a nice solution to the problems 90% of the people here have ( open source , good development tools, documentation ).
Nov 07 13:34:44 <jonpry> if by opensource you mean binary blob central
Nov 07 13:35:03 <keesj_> but perhaps the problem is different (e.g. beaglebone and the default software on it doesn't match what people expect from it)
Nov 07 13:35:56 <keesj_> jonpry: why do you say that?
Nov 07 13:36:21 <jonpry> android is all BSD license
Nov 07 13:36:36 <jonpry> so all the devices ship without source for whatever the vendor modified
Nov 07 13:37:00 <jonpry> which tends to be like radio code, libaudio, libcamera
Nov 07 13:40:20 <woglinde> jonpry not all bsd
Nov 07 13:40:29 <keesj_> but that shoudd not hold for the beagle right (assuming we would have a 3d driver)
Nov 07 13:40:35 <woglinde> or what exactly you mean with android
Nov 07 13:40:41 <woglinde> bioniclibc?
Nov 07 13:40:51 <keesj_> right we should talk about ASOP
Nov 07 13:40:52 <woglinde> zygote?
Nov 07 13:40:55 <jonpry> frameworks
Nov 07 13:41:31 <woglinde> and even some is apache license
Nov 07 13:42:22 <woglinde> and even yet google can not provide a sane emulator image for testing google maps api v2
Nov 07 13:42:56 <woglinde> when they update google play they always forget or are not able to update the emulator image too
Nov 07 13:43:57 <av500> can your beagle do this? http://makezineblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arduino-freeform.jpg
Nov 07 13:44:24 <keesj_> wow
Nov 07 13:44:55 <keesj_> I would need to put a working device into some weird acid
Nov 07 13:45:52 <KotH> keesj_: you dont need weird acid
Nov 07 13:46:02 <KotH> keesj_: but you can be sure it wont be working afterwards
Nov 07 13:46:26 <KotH> woglinde: different group
Nov 07 13:46:44 <KotH> woglinde: google is basically a collection of one-man-shows and small groups that work totally independent
Nov 07 13:46:59 <KotH> woglinde: they even have pissing contests from time to time
Nov 07 13:49:14 <keesj_> http://www.bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts/
Nov 07 14:02:08 <keesj_> But on a more serious note. would it be hard to get a working qt install on the BBB.
Nov 07 14:02:29 <av500> jkridner: ^^^^
Nov 07 14:02:34 <av500> why haz no qt?
Nov 07 14:03:04 <woglinde> it has
Nov 07 14:03:11 <woglinde> but something drags in kernel-headers
Nov 07 14:03:15 <jkridner> doesn't it?  qt is easy and was done on Beagle/Angstrom before.  More of a Koen question.
Nov 07 14:03:32 <KotH> jkridner: rule #3?
Nov 07 14:03:48 <woglinde> -> 14:25 < fra> > Collected errors: >  * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded: >  *      kernel-image-3.2.30
Nov 07 14:03:58 <woglinde> but I might know what is
Nov 07 14:04:00 <woglinde> gles stuff
Nov 07 14:04:15 <woglinde> which is pinned to 3.2 kernel
Nov 07 14:04:22 <woglinde> so hm
Nov 07 14:04:28 <woglinde> qt packages are useless for bbb
Nov 07 14:04:30 <KotH> life sucks, then you use qt
Nov 07 14:04:31 <keesj_> libc headers used to drag in sanitised kernel header(for some config related stuff) I don't know if this is also the case on OE
Nov 07 14:04:34 <woglinde> qt-e at least
Nov 07 14:05:00 <woglinde> keesj thats something else
Nov 07 14:05:10 <fra> in my  BBB after, opkg update, fault all, becouse finished space in eMMC
Nov 07 14:05:16 <fra> reflashing all
Nov 07 14:05:32 <woglinde> fra try qt-x11
Nov 07 14:05:38 <woglinde> instead of qt-e
Nov 07 14:06:24 <fra> woglinde: after reflash, I try
Nov 07 14:07:03 <fra> first, I have setup, with: opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
Nov 07 14:07:19 <av500> jkridner: dunno if you noticed, but there is a 100% lack of koen in this channel
Nov 07 14:07:26 <fra> but, at the end> opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
Nov 07 14:07:47 <fra> sorry, Collected errors:  * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded:  *      kernel-image-3.2.30 *  * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package qt4-embedded.
Nov 07 14:08:00 <ogra_> av500, he is next door in #linaro though ... in case you want to summon him
Nov 07 14:08:03 <fra> now, all fault, reload all
Nov 07 14:08:18 <av500> ogra_: I don't
Nov 07 14:08:26 <fra> why this error?
Nov 07 14:08:34 <woglinde> fra check the log
Nov 07 14:08:57 <woglinde> I explainded it some lines above
Nov 07 14:09:26 <fra> yes, I view
Nov 07 14:09:38 <woglinde> so why are you asking it again
Nov 07 14:11:12 <fra> woglinde: for setup with -e, how I try?
Nov 07 14:11:32 <fra> opkg install qt4-x11 --force-depends?
Nov 07 14:13:29 <woglinde> opkg install qt4-x11
Nov 07 14:13:39 <woglinde> unless you are know what you are doing
Nov 07 14:15:06 <fra> woglinde: I try to install, qt4, I view the video by derek molloy...
Nov 07 14:15:18 <fra> In my case, non work correcly
Nov 07 14:16:15 <fra> now, I reflashing the eMMC
Nov 07 14:16:25 <fra> and try again
Nov 07 14:17:29 <woglinde> who the hell is derek molloy?
Nov 07 14:17:48 <woglinde> and why he doesnt know qt-e with gles support will not work on bbb
Nov 07 14:18:31 <fra> http://derekmolloy.ie/beaglebone/qt-with-embedded-linux-on-the-beaglebone/
Nov 07 14:27:21 <fra> woglinde: if I try with opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
Nov 07 14:27:35 <fra> bypass the proble of gles?
Nov 07 14:29:17 <hyperparanoid> Hello everyone
Nov 07 14:33:31 <ghazaei> hi all
Nov 07 14:34:11 <Quinto> Hi, i have bought expansion board for BBB with Serial Port
Nov 07 14:34:22 <Quinto> what dev is? tty????
Nov 07 14:35:15 <Quinto> ttyS0?
Nov 07 14:35:48 <hyperparanoid> I got an issue when my Beaglebone is running - sometimes the background of the Angstrom desktop comes up green. But before it was fine, and I'm wondering if when the device fills up its Flash, it needs a lot more juice for paging files or whatever, thus the HDMI-VGA converter can't survive on the 500mAh from the USB port it's connected to. Other times the monitor runs just fine.
Nov 07 14:35:50 <ghazaei> i just conected bb for the first time what to do next?
Nov 07 14:35:56 <hyperparanoid> SORRY to interrupt...
Nov 07 14:38:04 <hyperparanoid> hey Quinto can't you compare 'ls /dev/tty*' withj the expansion board disconnected/connected?
Nov 07 14:38:21 <Quinto> ok
Nov 07 14:38:43 <Quinto> is same!
Nov 07 14:39:07 * hyperparanoid is stumped
Nov 07 14:39:45 <av500> just plugging the cape does nothing
Nov 07 14:39:56 <Quinto> but i must enable serial port?
Nov 07 14:40:03 <av500> you must load a DT Fragment
Nov 07 14:40:07 <av500> to enable it
Nov 07 14:40:28 <Quinto> how?
Nov 07 14:43:22 <Quinto> av500:
Nov 07 14:46:29 <hyperparanoid> Hey guys I got me two beaglebones and I#m delighted with them, but I thought to make connecting to the internet more secure I could throw a Cubieboard into the mix, just to keep the sickos guessing. However when it arrived, I see there is an IR receiver. Now I've heard plenty of folk talking about 'direct line of vision' and such. Could life really be so simple????? I would be overjoyed if anyone could answer this agonising q
Nov 07 14:46:48 <hyperparanoid> Ooops I missed the key point
Nov 07 14:47:08 <hyperparanoid> How can I secure that IR thing...like stop it completely?
Nov 07 14:48:00 <hyperparanoid> I had probs disabling wifi/Bluetooth on Intel stuff before
Nov 07 14:48:13 <jonand> desolder it
Nov 07 14:48:40 <Quinto> How enable serial port UART2 on BeagleBone RS232 Cape?
Nov 07 14:48:49 <hyperparanoid> a gut just offered that...is that absolutely necessary? I'm perfectly willing, but it won't screw the board up will it?
Nov 07 14:48:58 <hyperparanoid> a guy*...
Nov 07 14:49:08 <ogra_> use tape
Nov 07 14:49:12 <jonand> or put it in a metal box (painted with IR paint
Nov 07 14:49:26 <jonand> most tape is pretty transparent in NIR...
Nov 07 14:49:39 <jonand> e.g. electrical tape is totally transparent
Nov 07 14:50:24 <jonand> (feeding the paranoia I am)
Nov 07 14:50:27 <hyperparanoid> so IR hacks are perfectly feasible...
Nov 07 14:50:44 <hyperparanoid> hey thanks, its good to know there are some other people on the same planet out there.
Nov 07 14:51:05 <hyperparanoid> sick to death of getting projects messed up when i get to the Internet Explorer optimization stage
Nov 07 14:51:19 <Quinto> where is uEnv.txt on BeagleBoard?
Nov 07 14:51:42 <KotH> hyperparanoid: do you believe in badBIOS?
Nov 07 14:51:52 <hyperparanoid> SSH into it, it's there on the root file that shows up on the Desktop
Nov 07 14:52:05 <KotH> hyperparanoid: if so, you have to desolder anything that can pick up acoustic or electromagnetic waves
Nov 07 14:52:06 <hyperparanoid> is that like an update to LinuxBIOS/COreboot etc?
Nov 07 14:52:48 <av500> Quinto: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_and_the_3.8_Kernel
Nov 07 14:52:48 <KotH> you dont know about badBIOS?
Nov 07 14:52:48 <hyperparanoid> well sure, but once the IR is gone it's gonna hardly be worth the effort to hack into a Beaglebone, is it?
Nov 07 14:52:49 <ogra_> KotH, oh, is BadBIOS a religion now ? :)
Nov 07 14:53:00 <KotH> hyperparanoid: you should definitly google it!
Nov 07 14:53:02 <av500> Quinto: also, please do some research on your own
Nov 07 14:53:08 <KotH> ogra_: it always was
Nov 07 14:53:12 <ogra_> heh
Nov 07 14:53:31 <Quinto> look here: http://blog.pignology.net/2013/05/getting-uart2-devttyo1-working-on.html
Nov 07 14:53:37 <Quinto> i can edit uEnv.txt
Nov 07 14:53:41 <Quinto> if i find it
Nov 07 14:53:48 <Quinto> where is uEnv.txt?
Nov 07 14:53:56 <hyperparanoid> OK I'll look into that stuff...maybe I just need to get a bit deeper into the security thing
Nov 07 14:54:06 <KotH> ogra_: i'm not as old as av500, but i've seen a lot. and a system to hack into a computer using ultrasonic waves was not something i've even heard about
Nov 07 14:54:22 <av500> Quinto: on the emmc
Nov 07 14:54:26 <av500> in the boot partition
Nov 07 14:54:30 <KotH> hyperparanoid: learn linux, networking in general and what security means
Nov 07 14:54:31 <Quinto> there isnt
Nov 07 14:54:39 <KotH> hyperparanoid: then you'll be a lot more relaxed about that IR thing
Nov 07 14:54:42 <av500> Quinto: then load the fragment by hand
Nov 07 14:54:46 <ogra_> KotH, but if you  are that old you should know that it is a theoretical possibility :)
Nov 07 14:55:04 <Quinto> how?
Nov 07 14:55:12 <hyperparanoid> hey what do you what security means? like it's a relative concpet/impossible? or what?
Nov 07 14:55:12 <ogra_> (assumed that your speakers can do ultrasonic you dont hear)
Nov 07 14:55:21 <av500> what IR?
Nov 07 14:55:25 <av500> are we talking about?
Nov 07 14:55:31 <hyperparanoid> IR on a cubieboard
Nov 07 14:55:35 <av500> ah
Nov 07 14:55:38 <KotH> ogra_: hehe...yes, theoretically it's possible to build a system that can be hacked using ultrasonic waves
Nov 07 14:55:42 <av500> Quinto: read the damn link
Nov 07 14:55:47 <av500> dont ask how all the time
Nov 07 14:55:53 <KotH> ogra_: unfortunately, a standard pc does not have the hardware for that kind of trick
Nov 07 14:55:58 <ogra_> yeah
Nov 07 14:56:13 <ogra_> and rarely speakers that go up high enough ...
Nov 07 14:56:29 <KotH> if a pc speaker goes up to 15kHz, that's already a lot
Nov 07 14:56:35 <ogra_> you would have to use a bandwith where it is still audible
Nov 07 14:56:44 <KotH> (real speaker that is, the piezzo thingies go up that far)
Nov 07 14:56:47 <hyperparanoid> I looked up the inet/xinet, iptables, etc etc, but a IR vuln would mean the board was effectively unusable right? Unless I wanted a system I couldn't secure, in which case I might as well use Intel
Nov 07 14:57:09 <KotH> ogra_: the pickup is the real problem. no microphone i know go over 20kHz
Nov 07 14:57:23 <KotH> ogra_: unless specified for ultrasonics
Nov 07 14:57:26 <av500> wtf is an IR vuln?
Nov 07 14:57:35 <ogra_> yeah
Nov 07 14:57:37 <KotH> av500: BadBIOS using IRDA
Nov 07 14:57:42 <av500> for what?
Nov 07 14:57:42 <hyperparanoid> An IR receiver
Nov 07 14:57:48 <av500> yes
Nov 07 14:57:49 <Quinto> av500: sorry
Nov 07 14:57:52 <av500> my TV has one
Nov 07 14:57:53 <ogra_> av500, replicating itself
Nov 07 14:57:53 <av500> so?
Nov 07 14:57:59 <av500> how exactly?
Nov 07 14:58:08 <av500> over philips RC5 codes?
Nov 07 14:58:15 <KotH> hehe
Nov 07 14:58:19 <av500> must have missed the xploit bit in the spec
Nov 07 14:58:34 * ogra_ grins
Nov 07 14:58:36 <hyperparanoid> OK maybe I'm being overly cautious on this one...
Nov 07 14:58:51 <av500> so, how does a system with an unused IR port get infected?
Nov 07 14:58:54 <fra> @av500: you can help me_
Nov 07 14:59:17 <KotH> av500: BadBIOS!!!!1!!!einself
Nov 07 14:59:32 <suihkulokki> ..has the badbios findings been even independently verified?
Nov 07 14:59:38 <av500> of course not
Nov 07 14:59:41 <hyperparanoid> It might be set to listen at intervals or something...
Nov 07 14:59:44 <av500> that would spoil the fun
Nov 07 14:59:50 <av500> listen at what?
Nov 07 15:00:24 <av500> and who would even care to write a hack for a cubieboard?
Nov 07 15:00:27 <KotH> av500: mind control signals from russian satelites
Nov 07 15:00:31 <av500> ah these
Nov 07 15:00:33 <av500> I hear these
Nov 07 15:00:36 <av500> loud and clear
Nov 07 15:01:49 <KotH> seriously, i've heard about people who can hear wifi signals
Nov 07 15:01:56 <KotH> must be a serious PITA
Nov 07 15:02:59 <hyperparanoid> ok i'll look into that airgap stuff...looks very enlightening...so anyway, how hackable is that IR receiver hahaha
Nov 07 15:03:22 <hyperparanoid> thanks guys for your help
Nov 07 15:03:29 <hyperparanoid> and gals too of course
Nov 07 15:03:46 * KotH shakes head
Nov 07 15:03:53 * KotH shakes mrpacket_ 
Nov 07 15:04:02 * KotH tries to shake av500 as well, but fails
Nov 07 15:06:31 <kblin> hyperparanoid: put your boards in a vacuum, and voila, no airgap
Nov 07 15:06:45 <av500> put them in molted lead
Nov 07 15:06:59 <kblin> that also helps, I guess
Nov 07 15:09:02 <TooLmaN> Hi guys.  I can successfully compile kernels on my Linux Mint laptop using the instructions at http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel.  I setup an Ubuntu VM at work to compile them faster but I get a make stop "no target to make" error when running "make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack".  I have u-boot tools installed.  Any ideas?  Thanks
Nov 07 15:10:12 <TooLmaN> the make statement for uImage dts runs just fine
Nov 07 15:10:21 <Quinto02> av500: you mean: dtc -O dtb -o BB-FOO-01-00A0.dtbo -b 0 -@ BB-FOO-01-00A0.dts
Nov 07 15:10:53 <av500> thats the compile step
Nov 07 15:10:57 <av500> not the loading step
Nov 07 15:12:42 <Quinto02> i have in /lib/firmware BB-UART2-00A0.dtbo and BB-UART2-00A0.dts
Nov 07 15:13:29 <Quinto02> i must only enabled it?
Nov 07 15:13:34 <Quinto02> with echo BB-FOO-01 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
Nov 07 15:19:51 <Quinto02> av500: i have error
Nov 07 15:20:09 <Quinto02> echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
Nov 07 15:20:34 <Quinto02> -sh: echo: write error: No such file or directory
Nov 07 15:21:15 <KotH> Quinto02: google exists
Nov 07 15:21:23 <Quinto02> yes
Nov 07 15:21:31 <Kernle> Heyho
Nov 07 15:22:20 <Quinto02> but i want load serial port on my Capes, in /lib/firmware i have BB-UART2-00A0.dtbo and BB-UART2-00A0.dts
Nov 07 15:22:59 <KotH> Quinto02: google exists
Nov 07 15:23:21 <Quinto02> i dont find nothing on google!
Nov 07 15:23:26 <Quinto02> if no i dont ask here
Nov 07 15:24:32 <Quinto02> if you can help me plz...
Nov 07 15:24:54 <KotH> _where_ is your problem?
Nov 07 15:25:31 <KotH> it looks like that you apply the windows rule of clicking wildly on anything that moves to solve a problem
Nov 07 15:25:41 <KotH> unfortunately, this does not work on a unix
Nov 07 15:25:47 <KotH> much less on an embedded system
Nov 07 15:25:53 <KotH> you actually need to understand what you are doing
Nov 07 15:26:53 <Quinto02> i want enable Uart2
Nov 07 15:27:06 <Quinto02> and i have DT
Nov 07 15:27:13 <Quinto02> that is in /lib/firmware
Nov 07 15:27:23 <Quinto02> but when i enable it dont work
Nov 07 15:27:38 <Kernle> Stupid question - quickest way to install XBMC on a BBB for evaluation purposes?
Nov 07 15:29:02 <KotH> Quinto02: 1) how do you enable it?
Nov 07 15:29:17 <KotH> Quinto02: 2) how did you verify that the command does what you think it does
Nov 07 15:29:28 <KotH> Quinto02: 3) what makes you think it does not work?
Nov 07 15:29:41 <KotH> Kernle: dont
Nov 07 15:29:47 <KotH> Kernle: you will not like what you get
Nov 07 15:29:58 <Quinto02> 1) echo BB-UART2-00A0 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
Nov 07 15:30:02 <KotH> Kernle: the bbb is bad at decoding HD videos realtime (ie it doesnt)
Nov 07 15:30:29 <Quinto02> 2) i have this error: -sh: echo: write error: No such file or directory
Nov 07 15:30:58 <Quinto02> 3) i dont know
Nov 07 15:32:09 <KotH> Quinto02: do you understand what the error message says?
Nov 07 15:32:24 <Quinto02> yes
Nov 07 15:32:31 <Quinto02> no such file or directory
Nov 07 15:32:36 <Quinto02> but it exist
Nov 07 15:33:13 <KotH> it does?
Nov 07 15:33:17 <KotH> how did you verify it?
Nov 07 15:33:28 <KotH> because your shell clearly says that it does not
Nov 07 15:33:31 <Quinto02> infact: root@beaglebone:/sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9# cat slots
Nov 07 15:33:31 <Quinto02>  1: 55:PF---
Nov 07 15:33:31 <Quinto02>  2: 56:PF---
Nov 07 15:33:31 <Quinto02>  3: 57:PF---
Nov 07 15:33:31 <Quinto02>  4: ff:P-O-L Bone-LT-eMMC-2G,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G
Nov 07 15:33:32 <Quinto02>  5: ff:P-O-L Bone-Black-HDMI,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONELT-HDMI
Nov 07 15:34:13 <KotH> eh..
Nov 07 15:34:26 <KotH> could it be that your shell does not support wildcard expansion?
Nov 07 15:34:58 <Quinto02> but is BeagleBone Black Expansion RS232
Nov 07 15:35:02 <Quinto02> on my BBB
Nov 07 15:35:17 <KotH> do you know what "shell" means?
Nov 07 15:35:47 <fra> hi
Nov 07 15:35:47 <KotH> let me rephrase that question
Nov 07 15:35:53 <KotH> do you know what shell you are using?
Nov 07 15:36:00 <av500> as currency?
Nov 07 15:36:31 <KotH> i always knew that germany is behind the times
Nov 07 15:36:35 <Quinto02> sh
Nov 07 15:36:42 <Quinto02> ps -p $$
Nov 07 15:36:45 <KotH> or did you finally choose something that is more stable than euro? ;)
Nov 07 15:36:55 <KotH> Quinto02: yes, but what is sh?
Nov 07 15:37:22 <KotH> Quinto02: bash? csh? ash? bsd sh? original at&t sh?
Nov 07 15:38:04 <Quinto02> i dont know i view  529 pts/0    00:00:00 sh
Nov 07 15:38:08 <av500> busybox
Nov 07 15:38:22 * ogra_ prefers unleaded shell ...
Nov 07 15:38:34 <TooLmaN> What would cause "make: *** No rule to make target `uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack'.  Stop." when running "make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack"?  I can successfully run the "uImage dts" and "modules" compile statements, but the BBB kernel statement fails.
Nov 07 15:38:52 <Quinto02> KotH: i have original image of Angstrom on BBB
Nov 07 15:40:24 <TooLmaN> hold that thought, I just got called to a meeting.  bbiab
Nov 07 15:40:53 <KotH> av500: does busybox sh support wildcard expansion?
Nov 07 15:41:20 <ogra_> heh, yes
Nov 07 15:41:28 <ogra_> it is POSIX
Nov 07 15:41:38 <ogra_> or at least close ...
Nov 07 15:43:08 <Quinto02> KotH: and how change shell?
Nov 07 15:43:50 <agmlego> Quinto02: Type 'bash', hit enter.
Nov 07 15:44:55 <Quinto02> ok but i have same error with bash
Nov 07 15:45:10 <Quinto02> bash: echo: write error: No such file or directory
Nov 07 15:45:13 <Quinto02> :(
Nov 07 15:45:17 <Quinto02> some help?
Nov 07 15:45:34 <fra> In BBB, after opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends, @ the end: opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
Nov 07 15:45:42 <fra> WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.13/modules.order: No such file or directory WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.13/modules.builtin: No such file or directory Collected errors:  * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for qt4-embedded:  * 	kernel-image-3.2.30 *
Nov 07 15:46:03 <ogra_> fra, any reason why you use --force-* ?
Nov 07 15:46:21 <Quinto02> and here: http://blog.pignology.net/2013/05/getting-uart2-devttyo1-working-on.html but i dont have uEnv.txt file on BBB
Nov 07 15:46:49 <agmlego> Quinto02: Why not get rid of the wildcard and just use the full path?
Nov 07 15:46:52 <ogra_> (using --force-* options with a packaging system is almost always wrong)
Nov 07 15:47:17 <fra> ogra_: becouse, if I use opkg install qt4-embedded , don't wok
Nov 07 15:48:16 <Quinto02> agmlego:  echo /lib/firmware/BB-UART2-00A0 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots  i have same error :(
Nov 07 15:48:31 <ogra_> fra, i think woglinde already explained to you that you cant use that package ... use qt.x11
Nov 07 15:48:37 <ogra_> *qt-x11
Nov 07 15:49:27 <Quinto02> but where is uEnv.txt on eMMC?
Nov 07 15:49:35 <Quinto02> in /media/BEAGLEBONE there isnt
Nov 07 15:50:06 <fra> ogra_: I can try now, with qt-x11
Nov 07 15:50:14 <av500> I guess a stock install does not have uenv
Nov 07 15:50:19 <av500> its not needed
Nov 07 15:51:03 <Quinto02> and how resolve this problem?
Nov 07 15:51:20 <woglinde> fra maybee its easier to use ubuntu
Nov 07 15:51:25 <woglinde> for you
Nov 07 15:51:35 <woglinde> there you can install qt without hassle
Nov 07 15:51:45 <ogra_> i dont think ubuntu has qt-e though
Nov 07 15:51:52 <woglinde> hm
Nov 07 15:52:00 <Quinto02> i can create a uEnv.txt?
Nov 07 15:52:10 <ogra_> but yeah at least it is properly built agaionst mesa-dev
Nov 07 15:52:11 <agmlego> Quinto02: ...do you know what a wildcard character is?
Nov 07 15:52:26 <Kernle> KotH: I thought so, but I need to evalute it nevertheless as part of a university project ;-)
Nov 07 15:52:34 <woglinde> last way would be to compile an oe/angstroem image self
Nov 07 15:52:44 <woglinde> which would have a newer qt too
Nov 07 15:52:56 <Quinto02> agmlego: REV A1
Nov 07 15:53:08 <KotH> Kernle: "real problems are too hard to solve, lets create some artificial problems and solve them"
Nov 07 15:53:13 <agmlego> Quinto02: ...what.
Nov 07 15:53:15 <Quinto02> RS232 Cape Rev A1
Nov 07 15:53:28 <agmlego> Quinto02: ...what.
Nov 07 15:53:41 <Quinto02> where i must view?
Nov 07 15:53:54 <fra> woglinde: if now run opkg install qt4-embedded, the result is:Package qt4-embedded (4.8.1-r50.1.3) installed in root is up to date.
Nov 07 15:54:02 <Kernle> KotH: Pff ;-) Nah, its a comparision between a BBB and RaspBerry Pi in different diciplines.
Nov 07 15:54:11 <woglinde> fra good
Nov 07 15:54:15 <Quinto02> agmlego: what is character?
Nov 07 15:54:19 <KotH> Kernle: oh.. i can tell you what that will be
Nov 07 15:54:27 <ogra_> Kernle, who asked you to do that ... thats like someone asking you to evaluate a 30ton truck as a racing car
Nov 07 15:54:33 <KotH> Kernle: rpi excells when it comes to graphics and video stuff, but sucks at everything else
Nov 07 15:54:49 <fra> woglinde: first I have run opkg install qt4-embedded --force-depends
Nov 07 15:54:51 <woglinde> fra but it might not work when qt using any gles function
Nov 07 15:54:53 <agmlego> Quinto02: A character is any single symbol. The letter A is a character, for example.
Nov 07 15:54:59 <Quinto02> yes
Nov 07 15:55:07 <Quinto02> but where i view Charater of my Cape?
Nov 07 15:55:10 <ogra_> woglinde, unless it was properly built against mesa ;)
Nov 07 15:55:17 <Kernle> Yeah... well the next dicipline is android. In think that will be one point for BBB ;-)
Nov 07 15:55:28 <Kernle> As there isn't even a stable port for RPi...
Nov 07 15:55:38 <woglinde> ogra hm I think koen builded it against the sgx gles driver
Nov 07 15:55:46 <ogra_> right
Nov 07 15:55:49 <agmlego> Quinto02: A "wildcard" character is a symbol used by your shell to expand a path or argument. In your case, you have the wildcard character * in your capemgr path. Try removing that and replacing it with the actual path in /sys.
Nov 07 15:55:52 <ogra_> which adds this kernel dep
Nov 07 15:55:56 <woglinde> yepp
Nov 07 15:56:04 <agmlego> Quinto02: This has absolutely nothing to do with your cape.
Nov 07 15:56:13 <ogra_> but the gles api is standardized, mesa-dev should suffice
Nov 07 15:56:14 <agmlego> Quinto02: This is basic POSIX shell stuff.
Nov 07 15:56:26 <ogra_> (the egl bits indeed)
Nov 07 15:56:31 <woglinde> ogra yes yes
Nov 07 15:56:35 <Quinto02> ahh
Nov 07 15:56:45 <Quinto02> i alredy doing
Nov 07 15:56:49 <Quinto02> this
Nov 07 15:56:59 <woglinde> but when qt has hardcoded paths to the sgx drivers it does not help
Nov 07 15:57:10 <ogra_> right
Nov 07 15:57:10 <agmlego> Quinto02: Except you are not.
Nov 07 15:57:15 <fra> woglinde: sorry, for my 	 	 insistence 	,what I 'was already' mentioned, but how and 'possible that others have installed?
Nov 07 15:57:40 <Quinto02> you mean .9?
Nov 07 15:57:49 <agmlego> Quinto02: You explictly said you were running "echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots"
Nov 07 15:57:53 <agmlego> Quinto02: Right, exactly.
Nov 07 15:57:58 <Quinto02> yes yes
Nov 07 15:58:07 <Quinto02> echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots"
Nov 07 15:58:10 <Quinto02> i hsave same error
Nov 07 15:58:11 <agmlego> Yes.
Nov 07 15:58:17 <woglinde> fra what?
Nov 07 15:58:22 <Quinto02> bash: echo: write error: No such file or directory
Nov 07 15:58:43 <agmlego> Quinto02: Wait, why is that " character there?
Nov 07 15:58:49 <fra> woglinde:Preview, I have mentioned, derek molloy, in your video, on youtube, I view the setup on BBB
Nov 07 15:59:00 <Quinto02> no i have copy from you
Nov 07 15:59:06 <Quinto02> echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots
Nov 07 15:59:42 <fra> woglinde:I'm sorry if I mention people who are not chatting
Nov 07 15:59:49 <woglinde> fra than asked  derek molloy
Nov 07 16:00:03 <woglinde> he seems to know what to do
Nov 07 16:00:08 <agmlego> Quinto02: Did that work, without the quote?
Nov 07 16:00:46 <woglinde> fra write him a comment on youtube and he may answer you
Nov 07 16:01:08 <Quinto02> agmlego: root@beaglebone:~# echo BB-UART2-00A0 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots -sh: echo: write error: No such file or directory
Nov 07 16:01:38 <jkridner> Quinto02: probably want to leave off the -00A0
Nov 07 16:01:43 <fra> woglinde: very nice, I just said that he did it, but I did not say that it can, do so only he
Nov 07 16:01:50 <Quinto02> is possible that error is
Nov 07 16:01:53 <jkridner> also, use .* instead of .9
Nov 07 16:01:54 <Quinto02> i have revA1
Nov 07 16:02:00 <Quinto02> and DT is 00A0
Nov 07 16:02:05 <Quinto02> is possible this?
Nov 07 16:02:11 <Quinto02> or no problem
Nov 07 16:02:17 <jkridner> the number after bone_capemgr will change
Nov 07 16:03:24 <KotH> Kernle: android support is not really a plus point
Nov 07 16:03:52 <KotH> Kernle: there is not really a point in running android on an embedded system.
Nov 07 16:04:05 <KotH> Kernle: unless you count tablets and phones as embedded systems
Nov 07 16:04:28 <KyleYankan> ..aren't they exactly that?
Nov 07 16:04:59 <KotH> not really
Nov 07 16:05:06 <thurgood> depends on your definition... but not really
Nov 07 16:05:18 <KotH> they are PC style hardware with an attached GSM modem... maybe
Nov 07 16:05:35 <thews_> is there an easy way to see the revision of my board?
Nov 07 16:05:50 <woglinde> i am off for a while
Nov 07 16:06:02 <KotH> woglinde: have fun
Nov 07 16:06:06 <KotH> thews_: it's printed on it
Nov 07 16:06:11 <thurgood> there should be a sticker with the rev, or do you mean from the OS?
Nov 07 16:06:19 * thews_ goes to look,  there wasn't a sticker like i saw on some pics online
Nov 07 16:06:23 <jkridner> Quinto02: any news to report on the suggestion?
Nov 07 16:06:42 <Quinto02> seem work!
Nov 07 16:06:50 <Quinto02> without -00a0
Nov 07 16:07:11 <Quinto02> yes it work!
Nov 07 16:07:11 <jkridner> that part is automatically appended by the capemgr
Nov 07 16:07:18 <Quinto02> thanks to all!
Nov 07 16:08:18 <KotH> thews_: the sticker could have changed
Nov 07 16:09:43 <Quinto02> But now if i restart BBB  i must always redo echo echo BB-UART2 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots  ?
Nov 07 16:09:50 <Quinto02> everytime
Nov 07 16:09:50 <Quinto02> ?
Nov 07 16:10:03 <av500> does the uart work now?
Nov 07 16:10:04 <jkridner> you can put an argument in uEnv.txt
Nov 07 16:10:46 <thews_> A5C
Nov 07 16:11:20 <Quinto02> yes
Nov 07 16:11:28 <thews_> KotH: it was on the sticker on the rails, not on the top like the others I saw online, and I already had it mounted in a box,   I read the PCB board looking for the revision for a few minutes
Nov 07 16:11:29 <Quinto02> i dont have uenv
Nov 07 16:11:33 <Quinto02> on EMMC
Nov 07 16:11:48 <av500> then create it
Nov 07 16:12:03 <KotH> thews_: happens
Nov 07 16:12:43 <Quinto02> where?
Nov 07 16:12:47 <thews_> I flashed debian over to my board last night, and I've gotten everything solid, but stumped on bonescript itself  I see where one person has made some progress, but I don't know why it fails at that point
Nov 07 16:12:48 <thews_> https://github.com/fivdi/bonescript/commit/6f7529db8bf9f443161ba721fa5510a95554221a
Nov 07 16:12:58 <Quinto02> in /media/BEAGLEBONE ?
Nov 07 16:13:24 * thews_ is brand new to beaglebone, but has worked with arduinos and has managed linux servers for a decade
Nov 07 16:13:26 <av500> is that were uboot is?
Nov 07 16:13:37 <Quinto02> i dont know.. where is uboot?
Nov 07 16:13:40 <Quinto02> on eMMC?
Nov 07 16:13:51 <av500> whats in /media/BEAGLEBONE
Nov 07 16:13:52 <av500> ?
Nov 07 16:13:58 <Quinto02> nothing
Nov 07 16:14:16 <Quinto02> i follow this link
Nov 07 16:14:21 <Quinto02> but i dont have uEnv in this folder
Nov 07 16:16:57 <thews_> cat /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt
Nov 07 16:18:02 <thews_> cd /
Nov 07 16:18:03 <thews_> find . -name "uEnv.txt"
Nov 07 16:19:07 <Quinto02> cat: /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt: No such file or directory
Nov 07 16:19:49 <Quinto02> there isnt uboot :D
Nov 07 16:20:11 <thews_> :)
Nov 07 16:20:40 <Quinto02> where is?
Nov 07 16:20:41 <jkridner> Quinto02: with the board plugged into your computer, is there a flash drive seen on your computer? You can edit uEnv.txt from there.
Nov 07 16:20:57 <Quinto02> yes
Nov 07 16:20:59 <thews_> I'm not sure what whereis logs,  it doesn't work for me for that file
Nov 07 16:21:00 <thews_> but find does
Nov 07 16:21:07 <Quinto02> i ttry
Nov 07 16:22:14 <Quinto02> then is in /boot
Nov 07 16:22:20 <Quinto02> uEnv.tx
Nov 07 16:22:22 <Quinto02> uEnv.txt
Nov 07 16:22:28 <Quinto02> optargs=run_hardware_tests quiet
Nov 07 16:23:17 <Quinto02> what i must add?
Nov 07 16:23:29 <Quinto02> this is correct? capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART2
Nov 07 16:24:04 <jkridner> wiki should have the right info.
Nov 07 16:28:36 <Quinto02> jkridner: on google i have discordant solution: 1) capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART2    2) capemgr.extra-override=BB-UART2
Nov 07 16:28:46 <Quinto02> which is correct?
Nov 07 16:31:46 <Quinto02> jkridner: ?
Nov 07 16:38:22 <thurgood> Quinto02: I would suggest trying one, and if that does work try the other
Nov 07 16:39:29 <KotH> there is always the option of reading the documentation and figuring out what the difference is
Nov 07 16:39:52 <KotH> but i guess, knowing and understanding what you are working with has gone out of fashion
Nov 07 16:40:11 <ogra_> KotH, ages ago
Nov 07 16:40:12 <thurgood> heh
Nov 07 16:40:41 <thurgood> probably a little experimentation is quicker in this case
Nov 07 16:40:51 <KotH> sure
Nov 07 16:41:09 <KotH> you can always try something
Nov 07 16:41:13 <thurgood> but I see your point
Nov 07 16:41:27 <KotH> but you will never know whether what you did was right or wrong, even if it did work
Nov 07 16:41:43 <KotH> complex systems have complex side effects
Nov 07 16:42:13 <thurgood> very true, my point was to get Quinto02 to be a little more self sufficient
Nov 07 16:42:27 <KotH> yes, like reading up stuff
Nov 07 16:42:52 <cwilson1> self suffwhat?  that first word, is not parsed being.
Nov 07 16:42:59 <thews_> that can cause sleepless nights sometimes, lack of documentation and piecing things together can be pretty terrible
Nov 07 16:43:19 <KotH> sure, been there done that
Nov 07 16:43:31 <KotH> but then you ask a different kind of question
Nov 07 16:43:37 <thews_> yep
Nov 07 16:43:41 <thews_> that's when scripted hacks come in
Nov 07 16:43:42 <thews_> at least for me
Nov 07 16:43:43 <thews_> :D
Nov 07 16:44:21 <Quinto02> where is documentation where i can read difference between capemgr.enable_partno=BB-UART2  and capemgr.extra-override=BB-UART2
Nov 07 16:44:22 <Quinto02> ?
Nov 07 16:45:04 <thews_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/pub
Nov 07 16:45:46 <thews_> probably more on a repo somewhere
Nov 07 16:46:32 * KotH blames panto for writing usefull documentation
Nov 07 16:46:48 <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=capemgr.enable_partno
Nov 07 16:46:56 <av500> https://www.google.com/search?q=capemgr.extra-override
Nov 07 16:47:00 <av500> is that so hard?
Nov 07 16:47:21 <KotH> yes
Nov 07 16:47:50 <av500> apparently
Nov 07 16:51:10 <ogra_> he probably doesnt want the NSA to know what he doesnt know ;)
Nov 07 16:51:43 <thews_> NSA probably runs ixquick
Nov 07 16:59:38 <Quinto02> what is NSA?
Nov 07 16:59:43 <Quinto02> 007?
Nov 07 16:59:45 <av500> what is google?
Nov 07 16:59:55 <av500> no, 007 is MI5
Nov 07 17:00:47 <Quinto02> NSA not is famous in europe
Nov 07 17:00:52 <Quinto02> and in particular in Italy
Nov 07 17:00:56 <av500> no
Nov 07 17:01:00 <av500> nobody heard about it
Nov 07 17:01:03 <thews_> it's infamous
Nov 07 17:01:12 <av500> they are doing it so secret
Nov 07 17:01:15 <av500> nobody knows they exist
Nov 07 17:01:35 <Quinto02> no is secret
Nov 07 17:19:14 <TooLmaN> Okay, back finally.  Here is my question again.  Apologies in advance for the repost:  What would cause "make: *** No rule to make target `uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack'.  Stop." when running "make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- uImage-dtb.am335x-boneblack"?  I can successfully run the "uImage dts" and "modules" compile statements, but the BBB kernel statement fails.
Nov 07 17:19:40 <TooLmaN> This compiles as it should on my Linux Mint laptop but not my Ubuntu VM
Nov 07 17:30:54 <lu_m> Can anyone help how to enable/setup the uart ports of my beaglebone black?
Nov 07 17:34:32 <jkridner> today UART day?
Nov 07 17:36:02 <TooLmaN> lol, my kernel build is an attempt to get RS485 working with the cape
Nov 07 17:39:12 <Quinto02> LOL
Nov 07 17:43:25 <TooLmaN> I'm rebuilding my build env on the VM to see if I missed a step
Nov 07 17:52:39 <thews_> TooLmaN: I'd trace back the rules and see what exists  http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Rules
Nov 07 17:53:00 <thews_> looks like you have a space there though
Nov 07 17:53:07 <thews_> gnueabi- uImage
Nov 07 17:53:25 <TooLmaN> yes there is suppose to be a space
Nov 07 17:54:12 <TooLmaN> CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi-   is the prefix to the compilers
Nov 07 17:54:23 <TooLmaN> uImage is the expected output
Nov 07 17:54:45 <TooLmaN> These are the instructions from http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel
Nov 07 17:55:01 <TooLmaN> I'll check out the rules
Nov 07 17:55:21 <thews_> the space doesn't look right to me
Nov 07 17:55:30 <thews_> make needs a target, and then options specified
Nov 07 17:55:49 <thews_> targets would be in caps
Nov 07 17:56:21 <TooLmaN> These instructions work just fine on my Linux Mint laptop.  This error is coming from my Ubuntu Raring VM
Nov 07 17:58:24 <Quinto02> where i must copy my app for run when Board start?
Nov 07 17:59:09 <agmlego> Anywhere you want, then just put it into init like normal.
Nov 07 18:00:16 <Quinto02> and where is init?
Nov 07 18:00:22 <Quinto02> in etc?
Nov 07 18:01:51 <thews_> Quinto02: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+startup+scripts
Nov 07 18:03:19 <TA> the angstrom image is bigger than the 4gb flash drive. how do you install?
Nov 07 18:03:49 <agmlego> Get a smaller image or a bigger flash card.
Nov 07 18:04:51 <TA> Is there limitation on the size of the flash? can I get 8GB
Nov 07 18:04:58 <agmlego> Sure.
Nov 07 18:05:15 <agmlego> I have successfully run 32GB microSD cards on the bone.
Nov 07 18:05:19 <TA> thank you for the advice
Nov 07 18:05:24 <agmlego> And I see no reason bigger will not work.
Nov 07 18:05:26 <TA> wow! awasome
Nov 07 18:05:35 <agmlego> No problem.
Nov 07 18:05:48 <TA> got to run to work! have a nice day!
Nov 07 18:08:14 <thews_> TooLmaN: what repo are you building from?
Nov 07 18:08:27 <TooLmaN> rebuilding with CROSS_COMPILE=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-
Nov 07 18:09:02 <TooLmaN> thews_: following the instructions from http://beagleboard.org/linux now.  Uses a different toolchain
Nov 07 18:09:05 <thews_> ahhhh
Nov 07 18:09:15 <thews_> didn't know if you were building it for angstrom
Nov 07 18:09:31 <thews_> for debian / ubuntu there's a script for compiling
Nov 07 18:09:32 <thews_> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/blob/am33x-v3.8/build_kernel.sh
Nov 07 18:09:38 <TooLmaN> I'm very new to BBB.  First build actually
Nov 07 18:09:48 <thews_> TooLmaN: I'm not quite 2 days into BBB
Nov 07 18:10:19 <thews_> have plenty of experience with other stuff, but definitely quite a bit of customization with BBB
Nov 07 18:10:22 <TooLmaN> Starred:  I'll check it out
Nov 07 18:10:45 <TooLmaN> Same, I've worked on RPi and other eLinux SBCs
Nov 07 18:10:58 <thews_> it's really easy to get lost in the google groups looking for info
Nov 07 18:11:13 <TooLmaN> yep
Nov 07 18:11:15 <Quinto02> thews_: but if i put my appa at boot after i can block with ctrl-c?
Nov 07 18:11:21 <thews_> I was finally able to get bonescript working earlier with nodejs v0.10.21   definitely wasn't straight forward for a newb
Nov 07 18:11:49 <thews_> Quinto02: probably not, that's not normal
Nov 07 18:12:20 <Quinto02> and if i want control my board?
Nov 07 18:12:25 <Quinto02> and stop app?
Nov 07 18:13:02 <thews_> TooLmaN: I've worked with android builds before for cellphones, and worked with arduino, and of course x86 servers, but definitely new to this kind of embedded stuff
Nov 07 18:13:17 <thews_> Quinto02: make scripts for startup and shutdown for your app and use init.d
Nov 07 18:13:31 <thews_> Quinto02: check other examples in init.d
Nov 07 18:13:53 <Quinto02> do you have an example for shutdown my app after boot?
Nov 07 18:14:02 <TooLmaN> 2 Andriod builds and a ton of arduino projects, and yes, I grew up on x86 compiling too.  This build tool and Device Tree stuff is quite new to me
Nov 07 18:14:15 <TooLmaN> Android* bleh
Nov 07 18:15:22 <thews_> Quinto02: normally you don't shutdown on boot
Nov 07 18:17:13 <TooLmaN> Error: unrecognized option -mauto-it
Nov 07 18:17:13 <TooLmaN> make[2]: *** [scripts/mod/empty.o] Error 1
Nov 07 18:17:13 <TooLmaN> .
Nov 07 18:17:16 * TooLmaN sighs
Nov 07 18:17:24 <thews_> :D
Nov 07 18:17:30 <Kernle> Uhm... how hard is it to brick a BBB? :D
Nov 07 18:17:57 <TooLmaN> I guess that depends on your u-boot experience
Nov 07 18:18:17 <Kernle> Like... zero?
Nov 07 18:18:17 <thews_> or your wiring experience ;-)  BBB can't take much current
Nov 07 18:18:47 <TooLmaN> yes, 2 ways to brick it
Nov 07 18:19:01 <TooLmaN> you can typo in the u-boot-env and screw it up good
Nov 07 18:19:25 <TooLmaN> but not completely irriversibily
Nov 07 18:19:58 <TooLmaN> I'm waiting on the Arduino Tre  :)
Nov 07 18:21:01 <Quinto02> thews_: but for test
Nov 07 18:21:04 <Kernle> Well, I'm asking because aparently the first eMMC flash failed, because afterwards, the bord would do literally nothing when I tried to boot it. I'm not 30min in my second flash attempt.
Nov 07 18:21:10 <Quinto02> if TooLmaN: after i want change my app?
Nov 07 18:21:15 <Kernle> *now
Nov 07 18:21:17 <Quinto02> or use console?
Nov 07 18:21:59 <TooLmaN> Quinto02: come again?
Nov 07 18:22:06 <Kernle> Does the BBB give some kind of "errorcode" trough the USR leds?
Nov 07 18:22:39 <Kernle> Like... USR3 was off, USR0 - 2 were const. lit.
Nov 07 18:22:41 <TooLmaN> Kernle:  you can minicom to it and monitor/interrupt the u-boot process
Nov 07 18:22:49 <Kernle> minicom?
Nov 07 18:22:49 <Quinto02> thews_: and if i want change app or use console of BBB
Nov 07 18:23:21 <TooLmaN> minicom is like telnet on steroids.
Nov 07 18:23:34 <Kernle> TooLmaN: I come from a completely different area... I'm a game developer, and working with embedded stuff is kinda.... new to me :D
Nov 07 18:23:50 <TooLmaN> allows you to connect to a lot of stuff.  Like HyperTerm on Windows
Nov 07 18:24:13 <Kernle> Sounds cool :D
Nov 07 18:24:19 <TooLmaN> Well, welcome aboard  lol
Nov 07 18:24:47 <TooLmaN> I'm new to BBB but not u-boot environments.  I've bricked some older hardware
Nov 07 18:25:08 <Kernle> Well i did some flashing on android devices, but thats about it... :/
Nov 07 18:25:26 <TooLmaN> Similiar but a different boot env
Nov 07 18:28:47 <Quinto02> a question: how enter in uboot at start of BBB if my connection with SSH is enable after the uboot ?
Nov 07 18:29:11 <Quinto02> if i want set a uboot variable like setenv .....
Nov 07 18:32:27 <thews_> Kernle: flashing can be done again if one flash messes up,  I got a bad build of angstrom that didn't boot before ,  then went back to one from the official site from september
Nov 07 18:32:59 <Kernle> thews_: Ah, thanks for the heads up :)
Nov 07 18:33:35 <thews_> TooLmaN: the arduino tre looks awesome btw,  wished it was already out
Nov 07 18:34:02 <TooLmaN> thews_: indeed.  Should be the best of both worlds
Nov 07 18:34:06 <thews_> TooLmaN: I really wished the pins on the BBB could put out more current,  it'd make prototyping much faster
Nov 07 18:34:29 <TooLmaN> that's what transistors were invented for  :)
Nov 07 18:34:37 <thews_> absolutely, but that slows down progress
Nov 07 18:34:41 <thews_> even with darlington arrays
Nov 07 18:34:48 <TooLmaN> nature of the beast
Nov 07 18:35:14 <TooLmaN> BBB would be huge if they had all that built in
Nov 07 18:35:16 * thews_ makes a lot of custom pcbs for quickly hacking things together later
Nov 07 18:35:20 <thews_> yeah
Nov 07 18:35:30 <thews_> the udoo is getting really popular even though it's all 3.3v
Nov 07 18:35:47 <TooLmaN> yeah I've been watching it.  waiting for another rev
Nov 07 18:36:34 <Quinto02> thews_: i can use rc.local for run my app at boot?
Nov 07 18:36:55 <TooLmaN> 9V power supply out to 3.3v and 5v seems to go with most of my projects with perfs
Nov 07 18:41:44 <TooLmaN> afk a bit
Nov 07 18:43:53 <lomby> hi
Nov 07 18:44:20 <lomby> does the microHDMI work with the usb power supply??
Nov 07 18:44:31 <lomby> (sorry for my english)
Nov 07 18:48:14 <Quinto02> thews_: i can use rc.local for run my app at boot on Angstrom?
Nov 07 18:49:05 <Kernle> Okay... my BBB is now flashing for about an hour or so... isn't it supposed to take like 45 minutes?
Nov 07 18:49:50 <Kernle> Okay, now that I said it, all LEDs lit. Seems finished :D
Nov 07 18:51:05 <lomby> do you flash Angrstrom or Ubuntu??
Nov 07 18:51:19 <lomby> *Angstrom
Nov 07 18:52:16 <Kernle> Angstrom
Nov 07 18:52:35 <angs> does anyone if there is any problem on this instruction http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBoard I built kernel + debian for 2 beagleboard-XM and they get such output when I do apt-get update or install a package http://pastebin.com/ysfEbhu0
Nov 07 18:52:40 <angs> it gets kernel panic
Nov 07 18:53:11 <angs> or when I execute a command it hangs for long, then it gets the same kernel panic output
Nov 07 18:54:00 <Kernle> Either the flashing failed, or the board still hates my keyboard
Nov 07 18:54:24 <Kernle> The BBB does hate hot plugging does it?
Nov 07 18:56:27 <rcn-ee> angs, which kernel is that, looks like it took a dive..
Nov 07 18:56:53 <angs> rcn-ee, it is 3.11.x kernel
Nov 07 18:57:19 <angs> I see some bugs reports on the net about ext
Nov 07 18:57:21 <angs> ext4
Nov 07 18:57:33 <rcn-ee> strange... well can you retry with the v3.12.x branch. ;) i'm about to push it over v3.11 on that wiki..
Nov 07 18:58:07 <angs> I did not know you placed 3.12 on your webpage
Nov 07 19:00:06 <Kernle> Okay wtf... So Angstrom seems kinda bi***y to me... maybe better results with ubuntu or arch?
Nov 07 19:00:48 <rcn-ee> just pushed the v3.12.x upgrade over v3.11.x last night. ;)  http://rcn-ee.net/deb/wheezy-armhf/LATEST-armv7
Nov 07 19:01:07 <angs> great, thank you I will try it now :)
Nov 07 19:01:18 <angs> rcn-ee, one more thing about http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBoard#BeagleBoard-SerialLogin .. when I have log in prompt, I enter the user name (root),  the password line does not appear
Nov 07 19:01:32 <angs> untill I reboot and press "control + j" on that interface
Nov 07 19:01:46 <angs> then it asks the password as well
Nov 07 19:02:06 <angs> do I need to use something rather than "vt102"
Nov 07 19:02:23 <rcn-ee> with ubuntu, there is no root user.. but with debian it should work, i know serial was a little laggy in v3.11.x
Nov 07 19:02:32 <angs> I see
Nov 07 19:02:37 <angs> I will try it with 3.12 now
Nov 07 19:02:59 <angs> thank you
Nov 07 19:04:16 <Kernle> DUH..... why am I still running the 2012 Angstrom, when I just flashed the 2013 :(
Nov 07 19:09:56 <jkridner> http://beagleboard.org/blog/2013-11-07-project-spotlight-growcubes/
Nov 07 19:13:41 <Kernle> Brb
Nov 07 19:21:02 <dhamilt9> Hey all! I'm having some problems getting a simple gtk application to run on Angstrom, and I was wondering if someone could help me out?
Nov 07 19:21:23 <dhamilt9> (For reference, I'm using the Beaglebone Black with the LCD4 cape from circuitco
Nov 07 19:21:25 <dhamilt9> )
Nov 07 19:21:54 <thurgood> what is the problem?
Nov 07 19:22:35 <thews_> Kernle: it still shows 2012, you have to check modified times
Nov 07 19:22:50 <dhamilt9> Basically, I wrote a simple program that should just open up a blank window
Nov 07 19:22:51 <thews_> Kernle: I'm using debian,  couldn't take angstrom
Nov 07 19:22:57 <dhamilt9> And it compiles fine
Nov 07 19:23:20 <thurgood> native compilation or cross compilation?
Nov 07 19:23:24 <dhamilt9> but when I run it, a white box shows up in the upper left corner of my screen with no way to get rid of it
Nov 07 19:24:28 <thurgood> can you post an image?
Nov 07 19:27:07 <dhamilt9> yeah, hang on
Nov 07 19:29:30 <TooLmaN> Flushed and rebuilt the build env folders and it compiled.  Guess I missed a step somewhere before
Nov 07 19:29:47 <dhamilt9> http://imgur.com/zFA3LFx
Nov 07 19:29:58 <TooLmaN> and my VM compiles in under an hour compared to my laptop which takes about 90 min
Nov 07 19:48:12 <thurgood> dhamilt9: can you pastebin your main loop?
Nov 07 19:52:38 <dhamilt9> http://pastebin.com/4fM4EMhn
Nov 07 20:13:10 <Kernle> wonder if I shouldn't just build a mini-itx x86 system and call it a day :D
Nov 07 20:16:41 <_av500_> where would be the fun?
Nov 07 20:19:55 <dhamilt9> thurgood: any advice?
Nov 07 20:22:12 <thurgood> looks like it may be stuck in the gtk main loop, if you havent specified an actual screen and callbacks
Nov 07 20:28:05 <dhamilt9> hmn
Nov 07 20:28:42 <dhamilt9> I'll admit, I'm pretty shaky on what I'm doing, I'm trying to follow this tutorial:
Nov 07 20:28:42 <dhamilt9> http://zetcode.com/tutorials/gtktutorial/firstprograms/
Nov 07 20:29:02 <dhamilt9> And I watched a video of someone compiling/running the same program on the same setup, and it seemed to work for them
Nov 07 20:31:37 <dhamilt9> When I followed the second tutorial on that page, I'm able to change the size and position of the window in the code
Nov 07 20:31:54 <dhamilt9> So it seems like the problem is it just doesn't create the window with a way of dragging it around or closing it
Nov 07 20:33:45 <scottk201> I am currently wiring some components to input into BBB but I am unsure of the input voltages I should be using? Does anyone know the max voltage I can input?
Nov 07 20:34:52 <KotH> scottk201: 3.3V CMOS logic levels
Nov 07 20:42:49 <thurgood> if you mouse over it and click, do you get the menubar?
Nov 07 20:43:23 <dhamilt9> nope
Nov 07 20:44:13 <dhamilt9> Can't drag it around, can't right click on it, doesn't show up in the panel at the bottom
Nov 07 20:46:56 <thurgood> can you kill it by without -s 9?
Nov 07 20:51:59 <dhamilt9> I'm not sure, how would I check?
Nov 07 20:52:15 <dhamilt9> Apologies, I'm also pretty new to linux in general
Nov 07 20:57:29 <dhamilt9> I can kill it by just using kill [process id], if that's what you mean
Nov 07 21:00:11 <dhamilt9> Also, something I just noticed, is that when I run it, the close button disappeares on all windows that are already open
Nov 07 21:04:54 <s5fs> dhamilt9: the screenshot almost makes it look like the top of the app is outside of your viewable area
Nov 07 21:05:16 <s5fs> dhamilt9: if you have a keyboard and mouse attached, hold down alt and left-click to move the window around
Nov 07 21:05:17 <dhamilt9> s5fs: that's not it, I added some stuff to the code to resize and move the window to the middle of the screen
Nov 07 21:05:32 <dhamilt9> now it's just a white box in the center of the screen
Nov 07 21:06:07 <dhamilt9> also, other windows seem to lock up when I run it.  The bar that has the name of the window and the minimize/maximize/close buttons disappears on every window open
Nov 07 21:06:48 <s5fs> dhamilt9: pretty strange, i hope you get it working :) i build web interfaces for my devices exclusively, haven't touched gtk in forever
Nov 07 21:07:49 <dhamilt9> s5fs: thanks!  I think I might ask around in the gtk irc to see if they have any suggestions
Nov 07 21:09:01 <s5fs> dhamilt9: good plan, i'm guessing it's something minor. have you tried it on a linux desktop?
Nov 07 21:09:09 <dhamilt9> I haven't, that's a good idea though
Nov 07 21:09:47 <s5fs> i try to do as much on my workstation as possible, on-device testing can be a pain
Nov 07 21:19:10 <Kernle> Okay, so my BBB still hates me. I can't get a keyboard to work at all :S
Nov 07 21:19:30 <Kernle> Time to look at an active hub?
Nov 07 21:30:48 <s5fs> Kernle: do you have other devices hooked up?
Nov 07 21:31:24 <s5fs> Kernle: a powered hub would rule out power issues
Nov 07 21:32:33 <Kernle> s5fs: keyboard alone: does not work. keyboard (is a hub) + mouse: does not work. mouse alone: does work.
Nov 07 21:33:13 <Kernle> s5fs: Tried a logitech g15 and an apple keyboard :/
Nov 07 21:36:26 <Kernle> s5fs: G15 doesn't seem to get any power (display and key lights are dark). The mouse (connected to any of the two keyboards) isn't lit either. If connected directly to the BBB: works.
Nov 07 21:40:18 <s5fs> Kernle: yeah, sounds like a power issue. i'd look into a powered hub.
Nov 07 21:40:38 <s5fs> Kernle: also, if you haven't picked up a serial cable, i highly recommend it. i can provide a link if you want.
Nov 07 21:41:09 <Kernle> Considering the fact that I have to return the BBB tomorrow.... I'm screwed :D
Nov 07 21:41:32 <s5fs> aw man!
Nov 07 21:42:12 <Kernle> Indeed...
Nov 07 21:42:38 <Kernle> So this sucks then.... Displaykeyboard it is then
Nov 07 21:43:57 <s5fs> yeah, sorry friend
Nov 07 21:44:08 <s5fs> where did you borrow a BBB?
Nov 07 21:44:57 <Kernle> University. comparision prject bewteen RaPi and BBB
Nov 07 21:45:17 <Kernle> I wonder.... maybe i can give the BBB more power via the RaPi? :D
Nov 07 21:45:25 <prpplague> hehe
Nov 07 21:45:46 <s5fs> Kernle: how are you supplying power to the bbb now, just usb or wall?
Nov 07 21:46:31 <Kernle> USB. Is a samsung phone charger. 1A max
Nov 07 21:47:15 <s5fs> you could hunt around and see if the 5V source is any better
Nov 07 21:47:33 <s5fs> i haven't compared the two but i know i had similar issues with the rpi
Nov 07 21:47:54 <Kernle> Problem is that its 22:47 here, and as such - stores are closed....
Nov 07 21:49:30 <s5fs> haha! i sometimes forget that not everyone has all kinds of random crap around for these instances
Nov 07 21:51:35 <jonpry> power with 5V from PC ATX supply
Nov 07 21:54:16 <Kernle> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2al79p5xuskz401/2013-11-07%2022.51.58.jpg This should work, right?
Nov 07 21:54:43 <s5fs> Kernle: yeah, if the barrel jack fits, go for it
Nov 07 21:54:57 <Kernle> It does :D Just hoping not to set my house on fire
Nov 07 21:54:59 <s5fs> i mean, it's not your BBB anyways so *shrug*  ;-)
Nov 07 21:57:50 <Kernle> Well, at least nothing cought fire :D
Nov 07 21:58:00 <s5fs>  whew!
Nov 07 21:58:13 <Kernle> And the heater function of the hub is working :D
Nov 07 21:58:29 <s5fs> also, that serial cable i suggested also works w/the rpi
Nov 07 21:58:37 <s5fs> so useful!
Nov 07 21:58:50 <Kernle> (y) Might give me a link then nevertheless :D
Nov 07 21:58:55 <Kernle> http://www.getdigital.de/USB-Cup-Warmer-LCD.html This is useful ;-)
Nov 07 22:04:56 <Kernle> So, to sum it up... I currently power my BBB with a phone charger. I have a cup-warmer-hub attached, which I power via a PSP power supply. The hub has an apple keyboard, an optical mouse, and an USB drive from my first university term. Achievement unlocked?
Nov 07 22:06:27 <thurgood> if you're assignment is to compare to a raspberry, not really as you only get full functonality with a barrel connector/wall wart posrt supply
Nov 07 22:06:45 <thurgood> power supply
Nov 07 22:07:03 <thurgood> your not you're :/
Nov 07 22:08:56 <thurgood> leaving the fact that they are not similar products aside...
Nov 07 22:09:11 <Kernle> But I can power the BBB via the RaPi, that is a plus, right? :D
Nov 07 22:11:33 <Vaizki> wtf.. usb hub with 24 usb2 ports and 4 usb3
Nov 07 22:16:20 <cwilson>  Vaizki I somehow doubt such a hub could stream all ports.
Nov 07 22:18:43 <Vaizki> yea me too
Nov 07 22:18:51 <Vaizki> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/manhattan-mondohub-28-port-usb-hub/5486041.p?id=1218652749521&skuId=5486041#tab=reviews
Nov 07 22:18:59 <Vaizki> looks a bit ridicilous too
Nov 07 22:22:32 <thews_> I want to get my bb-debian webserver to look similar to angstrom's,  do any of you know if there is a repo that contains the apache settings and www structure?
Nov 07 22:36:46 <thews_> think I found it https://github.com/jadonk/bone101
Nov 07 22:38:31 <jkridner> thews_: yes, that is the contents served by bonescript/server.js
Nov 07 22:43:08 <dcj123> Can some recommend me a good low cost USB to serial adapter thats compatible with the beaglebone black?
Nov 07 22:43:26 <dcj123> *someone
Nov 07 22:47:12 <thews_> jkridner: now I guess I need to run a file named bone101.js   I'm having a little trouble sourcing that,   also I see a reference to /var/lib/cloud9,  I did install cloud9 with npm, but it's not in that location and I saw another place on the forum that made me suspect that cloud9 was just the previously mentioned git repository
Nov 07 22:47:40 <jkridner> not unless you have something really old.  it is bonescript/server.js now.
Nov 07 22:47:51 <thews_> ahh
Nov 07 22:47:54 <thews_> thank you
Nov 07 22:48:57 <jkridner> there are 2 apps that are expected to be run at startup for bonescript: bonescript/server.js (serves up /usr/lib/bone101 or something like that) and bonescript/autorun.js (runs any .js files in /var/lib/cloud9/autorun)
Nov 07 22:49:30 <jkridner> patches to make it more portable across distros are welcome!
Nov 07 22:51:29 <thews_> jkridner: I may have to reinstall and do a full writeup later,  it took me quite a while to get everything figured out, but now it's looking quite a bit better
Nov 07 22:52:16 <jkridner> I'm in the process of getting it into Buildroot and using the 3.12 kernel right now.
Nov 07 22:53:52 <s5fs> dcj123: yeah one sec
Nov 07 22:54:00 <thews_> jkridner: I see that you are the one who made it now on autorun there is var ar = '/var/lib/cloud9/autorun';
Nov 07 22:54:15 <jkridner> yup
Nov 07 22:54:18 <s5fs> dcj123: i use these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008AGDTA4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Nov 07 22:54:28 <dcj123> s5fs - Thank you
Nov 07 22:54:29 <thews_> npm installed cloud9 to /var/lib/node_modules/cloud9
Nov 07 22:54:31 <s5fs> Kernle: same for you, thsi cable
Nov 07 22:54:50 <s5fs> dcj123: adafruit sells a similar cable for $15 for the raspberrypi
Nov 07 22:55:53 <jkridner> npm will install cloud9?!? nice.
Nov 07 22:56:02 <s5fs> npm can do anything!
Nov 07 22:56:13 <jkridner> including rm -rf /!
Nov 07 22:56:49 <s5fs> indeed
Nov 07 22:57:43 <dcj123> s5fs - Question? I am a noob so bear with me, how do hook up the PL2303HX as it only has four connectors and the BBB has six on its serial port?
Nov 07 22:58:31 <s5fs> dcj123: check this out http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Adafruit_4_Pin_Cable_.28PL2303.29
Nov 07 22:59:02 <s5fs> the cable you are getting is the same as the adafruit cable, so hook it up in the same manner. you only need ground, tx and rx.
Nov 07 22:59:08 <s5fs> (3 wires total)
Nov 07 22:59:35 <thews_> jkridner: I'm on node 0.10.21 and it installed fine,  I had to first install node-gyp and there was some caveat, but I was able to get it all working
Nov 07 22:59:41 <dcj123> Okay great, I think I got this now, thank you
Nov 07 23:00:13 <jkridner> thews_: what distro are you targeting?
Nov 07 23:00:20 <s5fs> dcj123: no prob. on the rpi you can hook up the power cable too, and it runs the whole device. i don't think that's possible with the bbb though.
Nov 07 23:00:28 <thews_> jkridner: I also had to modify bonescript using these modifications https://github.com/fivdi/bonescript/commit/6f7529db8bf9f443161ba721fa5510a95554221a#commitcomment-4538699
Nov 07 23:00:32 <thews_> jkridner: debian 7
Nov 07 23:00:35 <jkridner> sweet!
Nov 07 23:00:45 <jkridner> I *really* want your write-up!
Nov 07 23:01:21 * jkridner isn't so excited to regress a version on a component
Nov 07 23:01:41 <jkridner> anybody bug the node-serialport maintainer?
Nov 07 23:02:00 <s5fs> jkridner: whats the problem?
Nov 07 23:02:13 <dcj123> s5fs - I just need to access U-Boot over minicom, 3 pins should work for what I need
Nov 07 23:02:25 <s5fs> dcj123: yup, although i prefer screen ;)
Nov 07 23:02:31 <jkridner> the patch you pointed to drops the node-serial port version from 1.2.2 to 1.1.3
Nov 07 23:03:07 <thews_> there was one more change too I think https://github.com/fivdi/bonescript/commit/2ef44aa8e063df5b13d65f9d451e858c06ef1d7a
Nov 07 23:06:13 <s5fs> jkridner: the first patch just updates package.json, i'd skip it and see if newer node-serialport works
Nov 07 23:22:09 <dcj123> Can someone give me the link to what each serial pin does on the Beaglebone black? I am having trouble finding this for some reason.
Nov 07 23:22:44 <dcj123> basically like how to hook up the serial cables to the board......
Nov 07 23:24:28 <thews_> jkridner: does this help you any?   https://gist.github.com/justinledwards/7363464
Nov 07 23:25:12 <thews_> jkridner: I added a note over on the adafruit python lib too for debian https://github.com/justinledwards/adafruit-beaglebone-io-python/blob/b731c8a2356e21249a8397d57cf8352dcd871547/README.rst
Nov 07 23:27:09 <s5fs> dcj123: did the link I sent you not make sense? i can post a pic if you want
Nov 07 23:29:31 <s5fs> i'll post a pic anyways, its useful to have handy :)
Nov 07 23:29:51 <dcj123> s5fs - yeah I was about to say, post the pic lol
Nov 07 23:30:02 <s5fs> dcj123: what os are you using?
Nov 07 23:30:17 <dcj123> Angstrom
Nov 07 23:30:51 <dcj123> I am trying to recompile the kernel with nat networking support
Nov 07 23:30:53 <s5fs> dcj123: i meant on your workstation :)
Nov 07 23:30:54 <dcj123> Here - http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel
Nov 07 23:30:59 <dcj123> Oh
Nov 07 23:31:09 <dcj123> Windows 7 x86_64
Nov 07 23:31:22 <s5fs> dcj123: okay so you're using putty or whatever to connect to the bbb over serial?
Nov 07 23:32:04 <dcj123> um.... I guess, I am using putty to connect over USB yes
Nov 07 23:33:03 <s5fs> dcj123: here you go http://pokemedia.com/images/serial-bbb.jpg
Nov 07 23:33:10 <dcj123> Plan on using minicom to connect to serial as the howto I posted says
Nov 07 23:33:13 <dcj123> ok thxs
Nov 07 23:33:24 <s5fs> nah just use putty
Nov 07 23:33:50 <dcj123> okay I was unaware that you could use putty
Nov 07 23:34:14 <dcj123> I am new to embedded stuff
Nov 07 23:34:28 <s5fs> dcj123: no worries, i'm doing this for a living and often field these types of setup questions
Nov 07 23:34:51 <s5fs> actually i'm just a web hacker but have made the leap to hw because its cool
Nov 07 23:35:33 <dcj123> Great, thats cool. I am assuming that pic is with the PL2303HX?
Nov 07 23:35:43 <dcj123> If so, I'll get it
Nov 07 23:37:06 <s5fs> yup
Nov 07 23:37:30 <s5fs> for putty, you know where you normally type in the hostname or ip to start a connection? below that is a series of radio buttons, select "Serial"
Nov 07 23:37:41 <s5fs> it will show up with a COM port and a speed
Nov 07 23:38:00 <s5fs> to find your COM port, fire up device manager, expand COM ports and look to see what's there
Nov 07 23:38:10 <s5fs> worst-case, you can try each port until it works haha!
Nov 07 23:38:27 <s5fs> after you find the correct COM port, make sure you set the speed to 115200 (its 9600 by default probably)
Nov 07 23:38:42 <s5fs> i do have a windows machine i can test against if you get stuck, but thats what i recall from memory
Nov 07 23:39:12 <dcj123> Okay thxs, yeah I seen the 115,200 baud setting
Nov 07 23:39:13 <Kernle> What on earth did I create?! https://www.dropbox.com/s/ydp3w9yfbn2yjtp/2013-11-03%2019.46.25.jpg
Nov 07 23:39:34 <s5fs> Kernle: i hope there's a steak hidden inside
Nov 07 23:39:43 <dcj123> lol Kernle
Nov 07 23:39:43 <SpeedEvil> Kernle: Doh.
Nov 07 23:39:45 <s5fs> beaglebonebaked
Nov 07 23:40:05 <Kernle> This... kinda did not turn out the way it was intended ;-)
Nov 07 23:40:26 <SpeedEvil> Looks edible.
Nov 07 23:40:36 <s5fs> i'd eat it
Nov 07 23:40:47 <Kernle> Right now its to hot to do so... will give feedback later.
Nov 07 23:41:03 <s5fs> Kernle: is it just bread or something more?
Nov 07 23:41:31 <Kernle> Yep, just bread. Forgot to buy new bread, so I thought "hey, lets make some bread then" (its 00:41 here)
Nov 07 23:42:07 <Kernle> I just realized the date on my phone is wrong. Today is not 2013-11-03
Nov 07 23:42:37 <s5fs> no its not, but my birthday is coming up so please ensure your calendar is correct. ps, i like chocolates.
Nov 07 23:42:50 <Kernle> :D
Nov 07 23:43:15 <Kernle> Well.. the last cake I baked was... funny ;-)
Nov 07 23:43:16 * SpeedEvil just made something chocolate coloured.
Nov 07 23:44:06 <s5fs> the last cake my gf baked looked like a beaver, tail and all
Nov 07 23:44:24 <dcj123> I know its obviously 3.3v but the PL2303HX bothers me in the aspect that it doesn't say 3.3v anywhere on Amazon.....
Nov 07 23:44:45 <s5fs> heh, thats why its $5 i guess
Nov 07 23:45:16 <dcj123> Well I am gonna take your word for it and buy it anyways
Nov 07 23:45:17 <Kernle> s5fs: I'm more into cooking then baking :D
Nov 07 23:45:36 <dcj123> Hopefully it won't explode
Nov 07 23:45:42 <s5fs> i'm mostly into eating and siting
Nov 07 23:45:50 <Kernle> Well... the installer for xbmc is going nuts on my bbb.... I don't really expect this to work.
Nov 07 23:46:07 <s5fs> dcj123: i'm using 'em here on mine and they seem okay :)
Nov 07 23:46:22 <s5fs> Kernle: that's the spirit! keep your expectations in check!
Nov 07 23:47:19 <Kernle> Okay, starting xbmc in ssh is kinda stupid.
Nov 07 23:47:41 <s5fs> haha!
Nov 07 23:47:53 <s5fs> man i gotta do a fun project w/these things, i'm doing dorky stuff w/o any sort of display
Nov 07 23:48:19 <s5fs> its trivial to roll web interfaces these days and with android tablets being around $100 its an easy win
Nov 07 23:48:40 <Kernle> "roll web interfaces"?
Nov 07 23:48:47 <s5fs> yeah, build a webpage
Nov 07 23:49:03 <s5fs> like "roll your own"
Nov 07 23:49:06 <thews_> can someone on angstrom show me what they have for /etc/apache/sites-available ?
Nov 07 23:49:20 <thews_> apache2*
Nov 07 23:49:33 <s5fs> thews_: that should depend on what you have installed
Nov 07 23:49:38 <Kernle> I see s5fs... well, I'm a web developer of sorts :D
Nov 07 23:50:00 <Kernle> Okay... xbmc on ubuntu was a pretty stupid idea. With no display driver and stuff....
Nov 07 23:50:25 <s5fs> Kernle: same here, i do web things too
Nov 07 23:50:29 <thews_> s5fs: I need the stock config, so that I can map bone101 and bonescript properly
Nov 07 23:50:35 <Kernle> (y) s5fs
Nov 07 23:50:47 <thews_> trying to finalize debian working like angstrom for the bonescript stuff
Nov 07 23:51:19 <s5fs> thews_: check in sites-enabled, this controls what apache starts up
Nov 07 23:51:33 <s5fs> i dont' know bonescript or anything but i know apache a bit :)
Nov 07 23:51:41 <thews_> s5fs: I need to know what's on the stock angstrom config
Nov 07 23:52:12 <thews_> I'm pretty sure they have their node app configured in somehow
Nov 07 23:52:16 <s5fs> thews_: okay lemme boot a new bone
Nov 07 23:52:16 <thews_> maybe virtual directory
Nov 07 23:52:29 <s5fs> i'd be surprised if bonescript is using apache
Nov 07 23:52:32 <thews_> it is
Nov 07 23:52:39 <s5fs> how odd
Nov 07 23:52:49 <thews_> for bone101
Nov 07 23:53:05 <s5fs> okay i'm booting a new in box bbb
Nov 07 23:53:08 <s5fs> that work for ya?
Nov 07 23:53:14 <thews_> if you really have one then yeah :D
Nov 07 23:53:26 <s5fs> yeah totally
Nov 07 23:53:37 <s5fs> i've got four at my desk right now, couple beaglebone-xms etc
Nov 07 23:53:58 <thews_> I've had my BBB for about 48 hours now
Nov 07 23:54:20 <s5fs> thews_: there is no apache install by default
Nov 07 23:54:26 <s5fs> thews_: ie, /etc/apache doesn't exist
Nov 07 23:54:31 <thews_> I flashed debian onto it last night, and I've spent some free time today updating node and configuring it all to work similarly to angstrom
Nov 07 23:54:36 <thews_> interesting
Nov 07 23:55:01 <thews_> can you do find /var/ -name "bone101"
Nov 07 23:55:19 <s5fs> nothing
Nov 07 23:55:24 <thews_> hmm
Nov 07 23:55:39 <s5fs> this one just came out of a box from adafruit
Nov 07 23:55:46 <thews_> https://github.com/jadonk/bone101
Nov 07 23:55:50 <Kernle> Hmmm... installing 1.1gb trough apt-get. I think I might run out of eMMC space, right?
Nov 07 23:55:52 <thews_> oh
Nov 07 23:56:01 <thews_> find /var/ -name "*bone101*"
Nov 07 23:56:05 <s5fs> Kernle: dunno, df -h will tell you how much space is available
Nov 07 23:56:12 <thews_> Kernle: most likely
Nov 07 23:56:36 <Kernle> DANGIT...
Nov 07 23:56:41 <Kernle> 802mb left
Nov 07 23:57:33 <s5fs> thews_: i searched the whole  fs and found some stuff in /usr/share and also in /var/lib/opkg/ingo
Nov 07 23:57:36 <s5fs> *info
Nov 07 23:57:42 <s5fs> but nothing that looked interesting
Nov 07 23:57:54 <s5fs> did you opkg install it or something?
Nov 07 23:58:18 <thews_> s5fs: I'm configuring it all from source
Nov 07 23:58:56 <s5fs> thews_: hmm
Nov 07 23:59:36 <s5fs> so in theory i think you can just git clone that repo somewhere and then create a quick vhosts file for apache, drop it in sites-available and then link to it in sites-enabled
Nov 07 23:59:45 <s5fs> restart apache and blam, who knows!
Nov 07 23:59:56 <thews_> s5fs: that's what I did, and all is well, besides one file location
Nov 08 00:00:09 <thews_> and I'm pretty sure it needs nodejs plugged in somewhere for that file
Nov 08 00:00:51 <s5fs> in the repo what needs to be used by node?:
Nov 08 00:01:11 <s5fs> i know node fairly well, enough to get into trouble at any rate
Nov 08 00:01:41 <thews_> bonescript = node
Nov 08 00:02:37 <thews_> ahhh
Nov 08 00:02:40 <s5fs> thats what i thought too but the repo you linked doesn't have an obvious package.json anywhere etc
Nov 08 00:02:41 <thews_> I think I know what the deal is
Nov 08 00:02:50 <thews_> there are two repos
Nov 08 00:02:53 <s5fs> is taht the ifnormational site?
Nov 08 00:02:56 <thews_> https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript
Nov 08 00:02:57 <s5fs> haha, bingo
Nov 08 00:03:19 <thews_> but I think that instead of using apache, they're using node + a custom service
Nov 08 00:03:41 <thews_> s5fs: actual module is here https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript/tree/master/node_modules/bonescript
Nov 08 00:03:42 <s5fs> right, node is usually it's own web server or it uses something like nginx as a reverse proxy
Nov 08 00:04:25 <thews_> I think they have it as it's own webserver,  but using a service script to start it
Nov 08 00:04:33 <thews_> I can expand the image and dig throgh it
Nov 08 00:04:35 <thews_> through*
Nov 08 00:04:42 <thews_> it'd be a lot easier if I had two I'm sure :D
Nov 08 00:04:53 <s5fs> haha!
Nov 08 00:05:11 <s5fs> yeah bonescript is using express, which uses connect, which uses node's http module: https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript/tree/master/node_modules/bonescript/node_modules
Nov 08 00:05:24 <s5fs> totally forgot I had a case of redbull!
Nov 08 00:06:06 <thews_> I am pretty much a noob with nodejs, but I've used it a few times and I've configured reverse proxies and mods of all kinds in the past
Nov 08 00:06:47 <s5fs> i've been hacking node for over a year professionally and am a co-organizer for my local node user group
Nov 08 00:07:37 <s5fs> in short, i like javascript
Nov 08 00:08:13 <Kernle> s5fs: Its eadible :D
Nov 08 00:08:30 <s5fs> Kernle: fantastic!
Nov 08 00:08:42 <s5fs> see, if you'd have made small cross-hatches into the top it would've looked intentional
Nov 08 00:09:04 <Kernle> :D
Nov 08 00:09:40 <Kernle> btw, who needs BBB or RaPi anyway... Android x86 is the way to go :P https://www.dropbox.com/s/rhac3fdyliz8u7n/2013-11-08%2000.17.02.mp4
Nov 08 00:09:47 <Kernle> (Android x86 4.3 with an PSX emulator running FF 7)
Nov 08 00:10:23 <s5fs> if that supports a bluetooth controller i'm totally game
Nov 08 00:10:43 <Kernle> I think it should... might give it a spin with my PS3 controller later
Nov 08 00:11:22 <s5fs> i've got a psp running emulators and i used to have a mame cabinet that i built back in the day
Nov 08 00:12:06 <s5fs> my current not-really-a-project is trying to get picade working with the ps3 controller so i can play some mario kart w/my lady
Nov 08 00:12:21 <Kernle> :D sounds cool
Nov 08 00:12:24 <s5fs> could be
Nov 08 00:13:08 <Kernle> My current project is integrating shadows in my game engine, so we can ship our game early 2014
Nov 08 00:13:21 <Kernle> We were aiming for end 2013 tough :(
Nov 08 00:13:27 <s5fs> ah, that's real work
Nov 08 00:13:53 <s5fs> my real work has also slipped into 2014 due to hardware manufacturing challenges :)
Nov 08 00:14:22 <Kernle> Kinda. I'm writing a paper about improving shadow performance and quality anyhow, so why not make use of the knowledge :D
Nov 08 00:14:30 <Kernle> "hardware manufacturing challenges"? duh... xD
Nov 08 00:14:56 <s5fs> indeed :D
Nov 08 00:15:20 <Kernle> What kind auf challenges for example? ;-)
Nov 08 00:16:00 <s5fs> i don't know crap about 3d programming tbh, not something i've done. wrote a few 2d side scrollers for various competitions but thats it. nothing noteworthy haha! my buddy worked on some lilo and stich game for playstation
Nov 08 00:17:15 <s5fs> Kernle: we're working with multi-layer boards, fine pitch bgas, etc and customer hasn't had to mfg these before so they're having trouble finding a vendor that suits them
Nov 08 00:17:33 <s5fs> that's okay, it's their project and their pace. happy customers are job #1.
Nov 08 00:19:03 <thews_> s5fs: got it figured out :)
Nov 08 00:19:19 <s5fs> thews_: NICE!
Nov 08 00:19:22 <thews_> had to modify bonescript's server.js and autorun.js
Nov 08 00:19:32 <thews_> but it works on debian now
Nov 08 00:19:33 <s5fs> thews_: what starts it at boot? just curious.
Nov 08 00:19:36 <thews_> as far as I can tell this is the first time
Nov 08 00:20:01 <s5fs> thews_: nice, now i can hassle you for help if i go the bonescript route haha
Nov 08 00:20:15 <thews_> so on angstrom,  it looks like there are a few things that start it https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beaglebone/v8A0addJf3E
Nov 08 00:22:15 <s5fs> ah looks like it may be using systemd
Nov 08 00:23:10 <thews_> s5fs: I left some notes here https://gist.github.com/justinledwards/7363464#comment-946125
Nov 08 00:23:41 <thews_> so that maybe I can flash debian from scratch some time and do a full write up,  I'm sure many people would be grateful to have a BBB with bonescript and no angstrom
Nov 08 00:23:58 <thews_> and be up-to-date
Nov 08 00:24:02 <s5fs> thews_: absolutely!
Nov 08 00:24:37 <s5fs> i'm working on building custom images for the bbb using yocto. still totally new to yocto/oe/bitbake and am barely able to ask questions, but it's fun!
Nov 08 00:25:18 <Kernle> s5fs: Cool stuff :D Well... i did solder some stuff back in school. But thats about it :D
Nov 08 00:26:07 <s5fs> same! i'm having to learn so much basic electronics stuff, its fun. i dont' care to become a real hardware dude, just be conversant enough to write embedded software and interface with EE folks more easily.
Nov 08 00:26:32 <s5fs> hard enough to keep my current skillset current, let alone bringing on another discipline
Nov 08 00:26:46 * thews_ is pretty good at soldering
Nov 08 00:27:55 <thews_> I make my own squeezed together perfboard so that I can modularize things and hack stuff together quickly
Nov 08 00:27:57 <Kernle> Well..... i think I'll keep developing games :D
Nov 08 00:28:03 <thews_> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ly38nOjhoig/Unkz-B18qSI/AAAAAAAAJHs/Cra3dC1Y-Xw/w1296-h972-no/20131105_120735.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qS69P1NqZb8/Unk0B-1IwtI/AAAAAAAAJH4/l46lze1DxZg/w729-h972-no/20131105_120743.jpg
Nov 08 00:28:10 <s5fs> once i soldered a smd resistor to my thumb, that's gotta count as something
Nov 08 00:28:18 <Kernle> XD
Nov 08 00:28:19 <s5fs> Kernle: keep on keepin' on
Nov 08 00:28:40 <thews_> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pMqTtSA9Y8A/UngkOdjBaNI/AAAAAAAAJG8/NP9T2WTIhsw/w1296-h972-no/20131104_164758.jpg
Nov 08 00:28:42 <s5fs> note to self, you cannot "hold" an smd in place with fingers
Nov 08 00:29:02 <thews_> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--QEh9XDsRWk/UnVxXImZOQI/AAAAAAAAJAs/uhD768xIhUk/w1296-h972-no/20131102_164025.jpg
Nov 08 00:29:03 <thews_> hahaha
Nov 08 00:29:05 <thews_> yeah
Nov 08 00:29:10 <Kernle> Looks kinda cool thews_ :D
Nov 08 00:29:12 <thews_> can't get your finger near the iron at all
Nov 08 00:29:22 <thews_> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YtZ5bAkM8Ro/Um7T2MT2fyI/AAAAAAAAI6w/lqNqWoHsW_E/w1296-h972-no/20131028_161434.jpg
Nov 08 00:29:30 <Kernle> Shadow stuff, wohoo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/og1ddh1u8zuj72q/Timetheft_Dev006.png
Nov 08 00:29:39 <thews_> that last one was definitely tedious
Nov 08 00:30:26 <s5fs> indeed
Nov 08 00:30:38 <s5fs> i need to start etching my own boards soon, i'm getting to that point i think
Nov 08 00:30:46 <s5fs> i think talking about is proof positive that i'm there.
Nov 08 00:30:51 <thews_> you can have them printed cheaper than etching them
Nov 08 00:31:05 <thews_> my next step is definitely getting them made
Nov 08 00:31:14 <thews_> I didn't have time to wait on getting those made though
Nov 08 00:31:21 <thews_> one project was a gift
Nov 08 00:31:34 <s5fs> print, eh? like at home?
Nov 08 00:31:40 <s5fs> i have a laserjet
Nov 08 00:31:56 <s5fs> i really want a 3d printer, gunna save my pennies and buy one next year i hope
Nov 08 00:31:56 <Kernle> :D
Nov 08 00:31:58 <thews_> nope, there's a few cheap fab services
Nov 08 00:32:12 <Kernle> Same here 25fs
Nov 08 00:32:18 <Kernle> *s5fs
Nov 08 00:32:19 <thews_> itead and seeed  are the norm for cheap pcbs
Nov 08 00:32:29 <s5fs> Kernle: does your irc client not support tab-completion for names?
Nov 08 00:32:37 <thews_> recently finished project -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gyuYkKM2ys
Nov 08 00:32:42 <s5fs> thews_: i love seeed, i've bought tons of stuff from them
Nov 08 00:32:55 <Kernle> Ah, it does s5fs. Didn't even know that it could do that :D
Nov 08 00:33:14 <thews_> seeed has an almost insanely cheap fab service
Nov 08 00:33:27 <s5fs> Kernle: such a timesaver!
Nov 08 00:33:40 <s5fs> thews_: i bought some of their bluetooth bee modules, those things are slick!
Nov 08 00:33:42 <Kernle> Indeed it is s5fs :D
Nov 08 00:33:54 <thews_> I need to get some of those
Nov 08 00:34:08 <s5fs> thews_: its such a nice way to hang a remote sensor somewhere
Nov 08 00:34:27 <thews_> I'd like to use it for remote control mostly
Nov 08 00:34:37 <thews_> much cleaner than adding buttons and lcds to things
Nov 08 00:34:56 <s5fs> here's a slide deck from a presentation i did earlier this year involving the bluetooth bee: http://pokemedia.com/nodepdx/2013/#/
Nov 08 00:34:58 <thews_> s5fs: this is what motivated me to get a BBB https://github.com/justinledwards/gardino
Nov 08 00:35:13 <thews_> I built a remote sensor + control web application for arduino
Nov 08 00:35:30 <thews_> but arduino's memory and having to use stripped down C++ with no libraries really drove me insane
Nov 08 00:35:42 <thews_> for one,  dynamic array length
Nov 08 00:36:01 <s5fs> thews_: oh yeah, gotta keep sketches dead simple otherwise you run outta space quickly
Nov 08 00:36:13 <thews_> s5fs: you do hydro?
Nov 08 00:36:16 <s5fs> most of what i do with hw is really proof-of-concept stuff for my own edification
Nov 08 00:36:29 <s5fs> thews_: i know hydro and aeroponics pretty well
Nov 08 00:36:47 <thews_> s5fs: I have a hydro greenhouse and an indoor setup
Nov 08 00:36:56 <Kernle> *sigh* its time I finally get the next job. Working as a freelancer fulltime is... stressful.
Nov 08 00:37:03 <s5fs> thats fantastic, i'm super jealous
Nov 08 00:37:23 <thews_> s5fs: today's pic of tomato progress https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3vhZKgEE96w/UnvA7of_v9I/AAAAAAAAJJA/T7mkpPd6oD4/w1296-h972-no/20131107_103320.jpg
Nov 08 00:37:30 <s5fs> Kernle: i consult and share your pain, i freelanced for about a year before landing in a firm
Nov 08 00:37:34 <thews_> s5fs: and some salad greens https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rnyTYniROpE/UnvAdqWhJvI/AAAAAAAAJIw/9JE4XiFoosw/w1296-h972-no/20131107_103127.jpg
Nov 08 00:38:18 <s5fs> thews_: those look great!
Nov 08 00:38:57 <Kernle> s5fs: Freelancing since in university. There are good and bad months. The last few were remarkliby bad. Just small projects with really assy customers.
Nov 08 00:39:00 <s5fs> i had a cherry tomato crop this spring, then salad greens for the summer. everything has been taken down though, i bought a dino phone haha
Nov 08 00:39:17 <Kernle> + there is just tons of stuff piling up to be paid. Computer, car, etc.
Nov 08 00:39:28 <s5fs> thews_: the salad greens look like an nft setup?
Nov 08 00:39:49 <s5fs> i don't see drippers at each site or anything, but there is lettuce in the way
Nov 08 00:40:03 <thews_> s5fs: yeah NFT setup,  I figured out a way to very inexpensively change the levels
Nov 08 00:40:14 <thews_> and i do have some drippers that I was using to supplement some zucchini
Nov 08 00:40:19 <thews_> but have since stopped using them
Nov 08 00:40:27 <thews_> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iJ0YT4Ov0E4/Um74WkqtMUI/AAAAAAAAI74/hY7GxAJtOKs/w1296-h972-no/20131028_185023.jpg  here's my small greenhouse
Nov 08 00:41:11 <s5fs> greenhouse is fantastic, i'm in a second floor apartment without any outdoor space, so i'm stuck growing indoors for now
Nov 08 00:41:48 <thews_> I had a job offer recently down in Florida, it's really been stressing me out bad because if I move I'll have to get rid of a lot of things
Nov 08 00:41:50 <s5fs> gardino is awesome, i wanna extend the gromon system to manage lights and stuff too. all it does now is basic alerting via twilio.
Nov 08 00:42:39 <s5fs> thews_: if you give them to good homes it wont' be so bad. except for florida of course. i got divorced a few years ago and got rid of most of my things, felt really liberating.
Nov 08 00:42:43 <thews_> s5fs: I'll probably rewrite everything for nodejs once I figure it out well enough,   I'd like to do an all in one kind of controller that has it's own AP to connect to
Nov 08 00:42:53 <s5fs> i'm something of a minimalist at heart anyways, but tools i hate to give up on.
Nov 08 00:43:10 <thews_> s5fs: I've moved across the country a few times, and I was pretty sure I was done with that
Nov 08 00:43:35 <s5fs> thews_: lets stay in touch, i have a good deal of interest in a similar system, and have some example code to rip apart. i think this would be a super fun project.
Nov 08 00:43:36 <thews_> s5fs: but there's no jobs where I live here in OK, and I need to keep my eyes open
Nov 08 00:43:50 <thews_> s5fs: definitely
Nov 08 00:44:04 <s5fs> thews_: what kinda work are you seeking?
Nov 08 00:44:57 <thews_> s5fs: well I'm a systems engineer type person at my currrent job, but I engineer telephony + web apps + linux systems + network equipment
Nov 08 00:45:06 <thews_> the job that has been offered is an integration engineer down in FL
Nov 08 00:46:21 <s5fs> thews_: gotcha, i'm fairly familiar w/that skillset. if i see any interesting contracts i'll keep you in mind.
Nov 08 00:48:42 <thews_> I'm responsible for a bunch of E911 systems, and emergency dispatch, and connecting skillsets with jobs right now
Nov 08 00:49:23 <s5fs> no way! i did load testing for an E911 system about 2 years ago, totally bizarro gig
Nov 08 00:49:26 <s5fs> it. was. awesome.
Nov 08 00:49:50 <thews_> I wrote a small ruby app for load testing
Nov 08 00:50:01 <thews_> https://github.com/justinledwards/ahn-rails-caller
Nov 08 00:50:21 <s5fs> i used soapui to load the servers
Nov 08 00:50:40 <thews_> this actually calls into systems and does DTMF and plays audio
Nov 08 00:50:45 <thews_> to simulate real calls
Nov 08 00:51:04 <thews_> each instance can probably handle about 1k calls
Nov 08 00:51:37 <s5fs> coldfusion?? haha!
Nov 08 00:51:49 <thews_> unfortunately I have to do a lot of coldfusion work
Nov 08 00:51:56 <thews_> where'd you see that?
Nov 08 00:52:01 <thews_> ahh
Nov 08 00:52:05 <thews_> coldbox
Nov 08 00:52:08 <thews_> most of my CF repos are private
Nov 08 00:52:12 <s5fs> i rocked cf way back in the day, should've wrote a book on it
Nov 08 00:52:20 <s5fs> back when ben forta was king
Nov 08 00:52:29 <s5fs> back in teh allaire days
Nov 08 00:52:29 <thews_> he's still popular in that community
Nov 08 00:52:46 <s5fs> heh, so like 30 dudes who haven't updated their skillsets think he's great ;)
Nov 08 00:52:52 <thews_> I helped out a lot with railo (open cfml) until a couple of years ago
Nov 08 00:53:09 <thews_> it's still hanging on somehow,  mostly because of government apps I think
Nov 08 00:53:16 <thews_> it drives me crazy
Nov 08 00:53:26 <s5fs> yup, but wasn't it linode or someone who was hacked due to a cf security hole? sheesh
Nov 08 00:53:30 <thews_> yeah
Nov 08 00:53:31 <thews_> linode
Nov 08 00:53:34 <thews_> and adobe was hacked
Nov 08 00:53:35 <thews_> major leak
Nov 08 00:53:36 <s5fs> not a coldfusion problem per-se, but still kinda funny
Nov 08 00:53:46 <thews_> there's some really nasty coldfusion exploits right now
Nov 08 00:53:50 <s5fs> adobe being hacked by a hole in acrobat reader would be hilarious
Nov 08 00:53:53 <thews_> and I know about 90% of the sites aren't patched
Nov 08 00:54:08 <thews_> xml injection that lets you read any file and they don't salt their hashes
Nov 08 00:54:12 <thews_> so you can get all passwords
Nov 08 00:54:14 <thews_> sucks
Nov 08 00:54:21 <s5fs> poor security
Nov 08 00:54:30 <thews_> I'm responsible for all of our systems and network, so it really bothers me
Nov 08 00:54:33 <thews_> how unsecure it is
Nov 08 00:54:34 <s5fs> creative suite aside, adobe just isn't known for good software imho
Nov 08 00:55:24 <thews_> the main thing is they use open libraries, but they don't update them
Nov 08 00:55:34 <thews_> and they connect them together insecurely
Nov 08 00:55:53 <thews_> and ignore best practices for crypto
Nov 08 00:55:55 <thews_> so much bad stuff
Nov 08 00:56:12 <thews_> not to mention CFML is pretty ugly
Nov 08 00:56:15 <s5fs> the internet is super aggressive these days
Nov 08 00:56:35 <s5fs> <cfif> you could rewrite it, how would you?</cfif>
Nov 08 00:56:39 <s5fs> cfloop
Nov 08 00:56:43 <s5fs> blah blah
Nov 08 00:57:05 <s5fs> i worked with a guy writing cf who called snippets "snippLets" and it drove me crazy
Nov 08 00:57:08 <thews_> yep and with as many tags as are required, you can't tab it very nicely
Nov 08 00:57:15 <thews_> haha
Nov 08 00:57:36 <thews_> I hate the newer tags too, and their serialization
Nov 08 00:57:39 <thews_> they bastardize json
Nov 08 00:58:02 <thews_> I hate how the new tags use old libraries, but use them terribly, in that they don't allow flexibility
Nov 08 00:58:03 <thews_> like extjs
Nov 08 00:58:07 <s5fs> leave json alone, sheesh
Nov 08 00:58:31 <s5fs> modern web is lost on IDE technologies
Nov 08 00:58:37 <s5fs> js especially
Nov 08 00:58:44 <thews_> yep
Nov 08 00:58:51 <thews_> I hate old IDEs
Nov 08 00:58:55 <s5fs> i use vim
Nov 08 00:59:00 <s5fs> for java, netbeans
Nov 08 00:59:02 <thews_> I use sublimetext
Nov 08 00:59:17 <thews_> it is a major time saver for me
Nov 08 00:59:18 <s5fs> i looked into ST2 and thought it was cool, but vim is simple and everywhere
Nov 08 00:59:21 <Kernle> I just realized that I'm downloading 1.44gb for nothing....
Nov 08 00:59:32 <s5fs> Kernle: haha!
Nov 08 01:00:02 <thews_> I tried out a few IDEs last year, but couldn't use them, too bloated
Nov 08 01:00:38 <Kernle> Even with a minimalistic ubuntu, the 2gb are still just not enough. So I need to extend the partition to 4gb... with a linux system i currently not have.
Nov 08 01:00:43 <thews_> sublime is really fast, has some nice plugins, like git gutters, and has lots of nice shortcuts, and nice regex support
Nov 08 01:00:45 <s5fs> aside from autocompletion its  not worth it to me. i prefer small tools that are easy to understand and extend.
Nov 08 01:00:54 <thews_> Kernle: are you wanting to use GUI ?
Nov 08 01:01:03 <Kernle> XBMC, so yeah
Nov 08 01:01:07 <thews_> ahh
Nov 08 01:01:24 <s5fs> Kernle: just run from sd, i'm sure it'll be okay. esp for proof-of-concept
Nov 08 01:01:34 <thews_> s5fs: I don't use much autocomplete, but it can help sometimes,  I mostly use ruby these days and rails c has the best autocompletion I could ask for
Nov 08 01:01:34 <s5fs> once its up and running you can try to emmc-ify it
Nov 08 01:01:53 <Kernle> Yeah s5fs, but even then its to big. The partition for the sd is just 2gb afaik
Nov 08 01:02:17 <thews_> Kernle: if you flash a non emmc flasher to SD it should fill the card
Nov 08 01:02:28 <s5fs> Kernle: oh weird, i've been booting 16gig sdcards.. 50mb fat32 boot partition and the rest is for the linux image
Nov 08 01:02:29 <Kernle> Hmmm...
Nov 08 01:02:49 <Kernle> I see s5fs . Did you partition yourself?
Nov 08 01:02:54 <s5fs> but of course
Nov 08 01:03:08 <Kernle> I'm just writing a predefined image to sd ;-)
Nov 08 01:03:11 <Kernle> << windows :D
Nov 08 01:03:22 <s5fs> i'm not like you people, i'm writing each bit to the sdcard with a steady hand and a magnified needle
Nov 08 01:03:32 <s5fs> magnetized, sheesh
Nov 08 01:03:33 <Kernle> Awesome, teach me :D
Nov 08 01:03:57 <s5fs> haha! i don't know windows, did you try unplugging/replugging your mouse? rebooting?
Nov 08 01:04:00 * s5fs is outta ideas
Nov 08 01:04:04 <Kernle> :D
Nov 08 01:04:09 <Kernle> This is not macosx :D
Nov 08 01:04:16 <s5fs> good, i know osx even less
Nov 08 01:04:43 <Kernle> Problem is - my linux on my laptop is broken atm :S
Nov 08 01:05:05 * thews_ likes os x for my own personal use, not for others :D
Nov 08 01:05:35 * thews_ heavily tweaks os x to be close to his linux servers, but better workflows
Nov 08 01:05:35 <s5fs> in theory once you write the image to the sdcard, you should be able to boot the bbb from emmc, then pop in the sdcard and use something like resize2fs to make it bigger
Nov 08 01:05:37 <Kernle> If I see someone using macosx, i get that need to chase that guy with a burning pitchfork.
Nov 08 01:05:56 <s5fs> Kernle: here's an ancient link http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions
Nov 08 01:06:10 <thews_> I've blown most people away with my os x setup, but it takes me about 16 hours to get it setup for myself
Nov 08 01:06:14 <s5fs> Kernle: really? i'm jealous of osx people, all the cool software is for th em now
Nov 08 01:06:31 <ds2> there is nothing useful at all on osx
Nov 08 01:06:34 <Kernle> Thats the reason why I punish my mac so much... it has my super-heating sitting ontop of it.
Nov 08 01:06:44 <Kernle> *super-heating router
Nov 08 01:06:46 <s5fs> ds2: linux doesn't get chrome canary builds but osx does
Nov 08 01:06:54 <Kernle> Barely visible, on the edge of my desk.
Nov 08 01:07:34 <s5fs> ds2: also, textmate
Nov 08 01:07:58 <s5fs> ds2: also, ios development (despite the tools being crappy, they're still platform-specific)
Nov 08 01:08:11 <thews_> latest chrome builds + adium + total terminal + expose
Nov 08 01:08:12 <Kernle> Okay, let me reframe my opinion about apple products... https://www.dropbox.com/s/f10b9wqucssrjbn/2012-05-03%2014-24-29.jpg
Nov 08 01:08:19 <thews_> that's what really makes os x worth it
Nov 08 01:08:28 <s5fs> i wont' support apple because they are phonies
Nov 08 01:08:50 <thews_> I won my MBA, and work pays for my other mac stuff
Nov 08 01:08:55 <thews_> otherwise I wouldn't buy it
Nov 08 01:09:00 <thews_> and I don't like ios devices
Nov 08 01:09:22 <s5fs> remember those guys who sold blue boxes then started a company selling computers from their garage? well they've grown up and that company hates hackers now.
Nov 08 01:09:34 <thews_> I really hate that
Nov 08 01:09:45 <s5fs> to me, it feels like apple walked through the door of success and slammed it behind them
Nov 08 01:09:47 <thews_> I hate that everyone knows jobs but not woz, or torvalds
Nov 08 01:10:02 <s5fs> i hate consumer-driven markets
Nov 08 01:10:06 <thews_> me too
Nov 08 01:10:08 <s5fs> but dammit, apple makes beautiful hardware
Nov 08 01:10:17 <Kernle> Well... as I freelancer I ocasionally do iOS apps, too. Or mostly I port between Android and iOS. Still, it sucks.
Nov 08 01:10:36 <Kernle> s5fs: Yeah, I kinda like the macbooks. But the keyboards are crap.
Nov 08 01:10:42 * Kernle loves his G710+
Nov 08 01:10:45 <s5fs> all chicklet keyboards are crap
Nov 08 01:10:57 <s5fs> i'm using a cm storm with cherry reds
Nov 08 01:11:11 <s5fs> its.. okay
Nov 08 01:11:44 <Kernle> My G710 is a blast. I picked it up last weekend to replace my worn down G15. And I really like that new typing feeling :)
Nov 08 01:11:57 <Kernle> Especially when writing a lot of stuff (coding, writing on my paper, etc.)
Nov 08 01:12:10 <s5fs> nice
Nov 08 01:12:16 <Kernle> "unable to flush /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i after padding: No space left on device"
Nov 08 01:12:26 <Kernle> And there goes nothing :D
Nov 08 01:13:25 <thews_> have a good night,  have to get off of here for the evening
Nov 08 01:15:29 <Kernle> s5fs: Thats how I punish macosx users: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h3f7cnoxiugtmp3/2012-12-30%2015.31.34.jpg
Nov 08 01:29:08 <ds2> who cares about chrome
Nov 08 01:29:20 <ds2> who gives a rat's ass about iOS
Nov 08 01:31:48 <Kernle> The people who are supposed to pay me
Nov 08 01:34:26 <s5fs> thews_: take care
Nov 08 01:35:17 <s5fs> Kernle: haha, love a nyancat
Nov 08 01:35:51 <s5fs> ds2: dang man, are you trolling or just strongly opinionated?
Nov 08 01:39:47 <Kernle> Or both? ;-)
Nov 08 01:40:21 <s5fs> indeed
Nov 08 01:40:24 <s5fs> i'm just trying to foster communication i guess
Nov 08 01:40:38 <s5fs> i guess i'm too inwardly-focused to feel strongly about what other people are doing
Nov 08 01:41:00 <s5fs> wanna run mac? marry the same sex? eat a burger king? go nuts.
Nov 08 01:42:43 <ds2> there is no place in this universe for closed locked up crap
Nov 08 01:43:01 <s5fs> ds2: i agree
Nov 08 01:43:35 <s5fs> ds2: one of my big fears is that future laptops/desktops will have locked-down bootloaders and i wont' be able to install my own OS
Nov 08 01:43:44 <s5fs> similar to how many handsets come locked today
Nov 08 01:44:33 <ds2> so iOS is irrelevant
Nov 08 01:45:41 <s5fs> ds2: its not irrelevant, it does exist and has substantial mobile marketshare
Nov 08 01:46:11 <s5fs> if the goal is market transformation, we as open source advocates have to be well-versed in what is commercially successful so we can beter understand what real-world users desire in products
Nov 08 01:46:51 <s5fs> consumers have different desires than geeky engineering types, which is why laptop screens are getting wider
Nov 08 01:47:45 <ds2> bah
Nov 08 01:48:02 <ds2> that's like saying we must yield to roaches becuase they have substantial population count
Nov 08 01:48:15 <s5fs> i never said 'yield'
Nov 08 01:48:28 <ds2> they are to be ignored
Nov 08 01:48:38 <s5fs> i'm saying 'understand', in the same way we must understand roaches so we can combat them
Nov 08 01:48:49 <ds2> there is nothing to understand about them
Nov 08 01:48:49 <s5fs> ignoring roaches doesn't get them out of my apartment though
Nov 08 01:49:09 <Kernle> :D You never tried though
Nov 08 01:49:22 <s5fs> Kernle: its a failed analogy anyways
Nov 08 01:49:28 <Kernle> :D
Nov 08 01:50:22 <s5fs> ds2: now, if you are saying we as a community should ignore commercial/closed systems and turn our focus inwards, sure. i can get behind that. but if the goal is to expand the reach of oss and try to get a lot more support, then we need to be able to talk to people at their level.
Nov 08 01:50:43 <s5fs> asking someone to drop their ipad in favor of some ubuntu tablet isn't gunna happen if you can't compare/contrast
Nov 08 01:52:48 <jus10> i sold my ipad to pay for a beaglebone and some other goodies
Nov 08 01:53:03 <s5fs> jus10: hi-5
Nov 08 01:53:19 <s5fs> i have a nexus 7, i like the openness yet fear google
Nov 08 01:53:31 <jus10> yeah, i understand that
Nov 08 01:53:36 <jus10> i have a chromebook running linux
Nov 08 01:54:10 <s5fs> i want a 15" macbook air made by anyone but apple
Nov 08 01:54:25 <s5fs> super light, great form factor, tons of cpu/ram
Nov 08 01:55:12 <jus10> I suppose I shouldn't mention what I'm using right now heh
Nov 08 01:56:48 <s5fs> only ds2 seems to really care
Nov 08 01:57:01 <s5fs> i dislike windows because its harder for me to support, the cli sucks, etc
Nov 08 01:57:19 <s5fs> i don't know osx well enough to support it either, but its unixy enough that i can generally make due
Nov 08 01:57:57 <s5fs> i have a great deal of knowledge about windows 2000-2008r2 but thats from a systems perspective, not open source software development
Nov 08 01:59:39 <ds2> no, just iOS
Nov 08 01:59:48 <ds2> they are more reprehensibile then others
Nov 08 02:00:10 <ds2> iOS is about pure evil... everyone else is more realistic
Nov 08 02:00:35 <Ferris> iOS is difficult because it's pretty stripped down
Nov 08 02:01:26 <Kernle> iOS is difficult because Objective-C is the devil
Nov 08 02:01:55 <s5fs> i don't know enough obj-c to make an informed decision, what little i've written seemed fugly
Nov 08 02:02:47 <ds2> it is not about the technical details
Nov 08 02:02:49 <ds2> it is about their goal
Nov 08 02:02:54 <ds2> total complete locked down eco system
Nov 08 02:04:47 <s5fs> ds2: fully agreed, any sort of platform lock-in just sucks and is anti-consumer
Nov 08 02:05:05 <jus10> unfortunately they all seem to do it to some extent
Nov 08 02:05:08 <s5fs> so many folks stay on ios because they've purchased a ton of apps that either have to be repurchased on android or don't exist
Nov 08 02:05:21 <ds2> hence they need to be blocked off
Nov 08 02:05:25 <ds2> let them recreate the universe
Nov 08 02:05:47 <s5fs> i'm not buying their products or developing for their platform
Nov 08 02:06:00 <s5fs> but personal beliefs aside, they make great hardware
Nov 08 02:06:13 <ds2> i disagree
Nov 08 02:06:18 <s5fs> its a shame that my moral compass steers me away from them
Nov 08 02:06:21 <ds2> from the tear downs I see, they are not any where near great
Nov 08 02:06:22 <Kernle> s5fs: Yay, resized the partition, and now downloading the 1.44gb again :D
Nov 08 02:06:28 <ds2> they are just good at con'ing people
Nov 08 02:06:30 <s5fs> Kernle: happy day!
Nov 08 02:06:35 <jus10> if they can push the market to higher dpi displays, i'm good with that
Nov 08 02:06:51 <s5fs> jus10: not if it requires a proprietary video adapter though, hate that crap!
Nov 08 02:07:11 <ds2> higher dpis is not desireable in so many ways
Nov 08 02:07:21 <s5fs> ds2: why not?
Nov 08 02:07:21 <ds2> it is their crap that is pushing the market to the inferior capsense crap
Nov 08 02:07:21 <jus10> s5fs: true. but my chromebook has a "unique" adapter as well
Nov 08 02:07:31 <s5fs> jus10: for video out?
Nov 08 02:07:34 <ds2> more dots = more time wasted dealing with them
Nov 08 02:07:41 <ds2> which in turn means more power wasted
Nov 08 02:07:42 <Kernle> :D
Nov 08 02:07:44 <jus10> s5fs: it has a slimport for video
Nov 08 02:07:51 <ds2> you don't need that many dots for many things
Nov 08 02:08:11 <Kernle> Yeah, I don't see the point of > 720p for laptops and stuff.
Nov 08 02:08:18 <s5fs> at least slimport is pretty normal tho
Nov 08 02:08:27 <ds2> there is no good reason to go slimport for anything
Nov 08 02:08:35 <ds2> MHL is perfectly functional
Nov 08 02:08:36 <jus10> when i'm up near the screen on a 720p laptop, i wish I had higher
Nov 08 02:09:16 <jus10> i have 3 different types of hdmi standards, slimport, mini-displayport, displayport, and dvi in my apartment
Nov 08 02:09:21 <Kernle> I have two 27" monitors with 1080p. I'm completely good with that. My Laptop (17") has something x 900. Fully ok, too
Nov 08 02:09:32 <jus10> i probably have some vga cables around as well but i can't be bothered
Nov 08 02:09:50 <s5fs> 17" monitor!
Nov 08 02:09:53 <jus10> usb a, b, mini, micro, old apple 30 pin, lightning connectors
Nov 08 02:09:54 <s5fs> i mean laptop, that's huge
Nov 08 02:09:54 <Kernle> Everything here is connected via HDMI... expect the legacy consoles, which are scart and stuff
Nov 08 02:10:14 <Kernle> s5fs: Yeah.... i wanna see stuff when I develop :D
Nov 08 02:10:30 <s5fs> Kernle: same, 15" is as small as i can comfortably go
Nov 08 02:10:33 <jus10> ls
Nov 08 02:10:38 <s5fs> pwd
Nov 08 02:11:03 <Kernle> But the two 27" are the real icing on the cake... thinking about a third though
Nov 08 02:11:04 <jus10> i type commands in the wrong shell window all of the time
Nov 08 02:11:34 <s5fs> jus10: i'm careful about that now, dropped a multi-million record table once by being in the wrong console
Nov 08 02:11:36 <s5fs> "whoops"
Nov 08 02:12:45 <s5fs> okay i'm out, later crew!
Nov 08 02:12:56 <Kernle> (y)
Nov 08 02:14:32 <Ferris> see ya
Nov 08 02:29:58 <roma> I'm trying to get serial on my bbb. I get console output but it outputs nothing but many capital "C"'s. like CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
Nov 08 02:33:25 <roma> anyone have any serial experience with the bbb? What does the multiple C mean?
Nov 08 02:33:41 <muriani> roma: what are your serial settings?
Nov 08 02:33:45 <roma> btw, I bricked my bbb while trying to install debian
Nov 08 02:34:20 <roma> 115200
Nov 08 02:34:27 <muriani> 8n1?
Nov 08 02:34:31 <roma> ya
Nov 08 02:34:37 <muriani> hm
Nov 08 02:34:48 <magyarm> roma: all CCCCCC's means you have to remake your sdcard
Nov 08 02:34:55 <magyarm> or reflash the mmc
Nov 08 02:35:02 <prpplague> roma: bbb basically can not be bricked
Nov 08 02:35:12 <prpplague> roma: you just need to create a uSD image to reload
Nov 08 02:35:23 <magyarm> there is nothing there for it to boot, so just re-write your image to an sdcard and start over
Nov 08 02:35:27 <muriani> ah, the people that know more than me!
Nov 08 02:35:33 * muriani steps aside
Nov 08 02:35:59 <roma> I use bricked for lack of a better word. I can't boot and I don't get any display output and I can't boot from mmc.
Nov 08 02:35:59 <magyarm> muriani: it's just 'cause I have seen "CCCCCCC..." way too many times :P
Nov 08 02:36:20 <muriani> I've got an oldschool beagle, not the bone/black
Nov 08 02:36:23 <magyarm> roma: create a fresh sd card image and go from there
Nov 08 02:36:27 <muriani> not even xM >_<
Nov 08 02:37:25 <roma> magyarm: ok. I will try that again. Perhaps, I didn't do it right?
Nov 08 02:39:44 <magyarm> roma: if your on a linux machine, did you sync before ejecting the drive? I used to forget to do that after writing to the sd card and would get CCCCC's every time
Nov 08 02:40:43 <roma> I umount, so it should wait for writes. I could try and force it with sync though
Nov 08 02:41:21 <roma> can you point me to the best tutorial for this? Maybe I followed wrong instructions
Nov 08 02:41:45 <magyarm> before you umount run sync
Nov 08 02:41:54 <Kernle> Hmm, is there any way to create a BBB VM by any chance?
Nov 08 02:43:09 <roma> magyarm: ok. can I go straight to installing debian from sd?
Nov 08 02:43:58 <magyarm> roma: yes. Just write the flasher image to the sd card
Nov 08 02:44:39 <roma> magyarm: ok. Will do. Thank for help
Nov 08 02:46:18 <magyarm> roma: I've always liked Robert Nelson's write ups for loading images. If you haven't seen it yet, look at this page: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black
Nov 08 02:53:43 <muriani> I tend to refer to his documentation as well for beagle and panda. Good stuff.
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