**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 12 02:59:58 2013
Nov 12 04:27:01 <asdf__> Is it OK using audio cape(TLV320AIC3106) with BBB(kernel 3.8.13) ?
Nov 12 04:27:48 <asdf__> I am getting noise when trying to play a file at output..:-(
Nov 12 04:28:12 <prpplague> asdf__: the audio cape wasn't designed to be used with the BBB and has significant capability issues
Nov 12 04:28:33 <prpplague> asdf__: a new audio cape will be available in about 30 to 45 days
Nov 12 04:28:43 <prpplague> asdf__: that will be specifically supported on black
Nov 12 04:29:48 <asdf__> <prpplague> is there no way to make the current one compitable
Nov 12 04:30:14 <prpplague> asdf__: generally no, not without a lot of rework
Nov 12 04:31:05 <beagle13> Hi .. im using beaglebone with ubuntu ... when I connect the Edimax wifi adapter to the board, the wlan0 is not acquiting IP address
Nov 12 04:31:17 <beagle13> can anyone help on this
Nov 12 04:31:29 <prpplague> beagle13: try who ever you got the ubuntu image from
Nov 12 04:32:35 <asdf__> <prpplague> can you say where the major work has to be done?
Nov 12 04:33:00 <asdf__> its in hardware or software?
Nov 12 04:33:04 <prpplague> asdf__: not off the top of my head, i have a marked up schematic in the office
Nov 12 04:33:06 <prpplague> asdf__: hardware
Nov 12 05:13:36 <router> configure: error: in `/home/ivan/Downloads/media-ctl':
Nov 12 05:13:36 <router> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
Nov 12 05:13:37 <router> "
Nov 12 05:13:45 <router> how to fix it?
Nov 12 05:36:37 <_av500_> context
Nov 12 05:37:16 <mark4> does anyone know of ANY (repeat A N Y) non gdb based arm debugger that i can run ***ON*** a beagle board xm?
Nov 12 05:37:43 <_av500_> why not use gdb?
Nov 12 05:37:48 <dm8tbr> you could try strace if you don't like gdb...
Nov 12 05:38:07 <_av500_> there's also printf
Nov 12 05:38:34 <mark4> strace only tells you about system calls. my code is not breaking in a system call
Nov 12 05:38:42 <dm8tbr> <3 printf!
Nov 12 05:38:43 <mark4> and printf is not sufficient
Nov 12 05:38:48 <mark4> not in this case
Nov 12 05:39:23 <mark4> kdbg was working GREAT right up until i tried to debug the code my compiler just layed down
Nov 12 05:39:31 <mark4> and no its not an icache thing
Nov 12 05:39:53 <_av500_> badbios?
Nov 12 05:39:59 <dm8tbr> can always splash out on a lautarbach and trace32
Nov 12 05:40:15 <dm8tbr> s/lautarbach/lauterbach/
Nov 12 05:40:34 <mark4> kdbg does not display any area of memory that does not have source code associated with it that is layed out in the process debug info
Nov 12 05:41:02 <mark4> it also does not do a real disassembly, it does an interleaved FOLDED source/disassem where everything defaults to folded
Nov 12 05:41:22 <mark4> write code to address 0xc000 then do a b 0xc000 and kdbg shows no further info during debug
Nov 12 05:42:22 <_av500_> and plain gdb?
Nov 12 05:42:36 <_av500_> does that not give you a backtrace?
Nov 12 05:56:16 <beagle13> my beaglebone wifi acquired IP, but not able to ping to anyother ip.getting destination hot unreachable
Nov 12 05:56:37 <beagle13> can I get any help on this
Nov 12 05:59:29 <dm8tbr> beagle13: pastebin the output of ifconfig and of 'ip route'
Nov 12 06:06:39 <router>   ABI Version:                       0
Nov 12 06:06:39 <router>   Type:                              EXEC (Executable file)
Nov 12 06:06:39 <router>   Machine:                           ARM
Nov 12 06:06:40 <router> "
Nov 12 06:06:52 <router> but can't execute it
Nov 12 06:07:15 <router> sh: ./media-ctl: No such file or directory
Nov 12 06:07:23 <router> anyone can help me?
Nov 12 06:09:07 <beagle13> dm8tbr: also one more happening.. I access BB via serialport, if I keep the terminal idle for around 1 min, my USR LED 0 goes off and the terminal hangs.. something like "sleep", so I have to trigger the reset button to make it comeback.
Nov 12 06:10:47 <beagle13> dm8tbr: pastebin for BB sleep http://pastebin.com/jQyMNWrm
Nov 12 06:13:12 <dm8tbr> beagle13: looks like your wifi driver panics the kernel for some reason
Nov 12 06:14:46 <beagle13> dm8tbr: any solution for that
Nov 12 06:15:38 <dm8tbr> beagle13: let's start with some basics, which distribution do you run on your board?
Nov 12 06:15:49 <dm8tbr> beagle13: also which board do you have?
Nov 12 06:16:48 <beagle13> its Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.8.13-bone20 armv7l)
Nov 12 06:17:05 <beagle13> its beaglebone white
Nov 12 06:17:34 <dm8tbr> and which chipset is your wifi dongle?
Nov 12 06:19:14 <beagle13> it EW-7811Un
Nov 12 06:22:10 <dm8tbr> which _chipset_?
Nov 12 06:23:36 <dm8tbr> apparently a "RTL8188CUS"
Nov 12 06:26:01 <beagle13> yeah ..
Nov 12 06:26:17 <beagle13> dm8tbr: ip route http://pastebin.com/p1xdWn2s
Nov 12 06:26:47 <ash123> hi
Nov 12 06:27:59 <dm8tbr> beagle13: is the package "firmware-realtek" installed?
Nov 12 06:30:27 <beagle13> dm8tbr: will that be available default !!
Nov 12 06:31:00 <dm8tbr> sorry, come again?
Nov 12 06:31:56 <beagle13> like in ubuntu all the drivers are available by default for this chipset.. so in the same way "firmware-realtek" be available.??
Nov 12 06:33:53 <dm8tbr> I asked if it is installed on your device, not if it's 'available'...
Nov 12 06:35:59 <dm8tbr> anyway
Nov 12 06:36:11 <dm8tbr> your dmesg should tell you if it loads the firmware properly
Nov 12 06:41:28 <beagle13> dm8tbr: the very initial issue which I said "not able to ping to other ip" is resolved.. i didn't do any updates, but was able to ping to someother ip in the LAN.. now the issue of board sleep off is the problem..
Nov 12 06:41:49 <beagle13> now not able to reach the board via screen
Nov 12 06:42:50 <dm8tbr> beagle13: sounds more like your wifi driver is killing the system not that it 'sleeps'
Nov 12 06:54:45 <beagle13> dm8tbr: " rtl8192cu: Loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin" firmware loading is fine
Nov 12 06:58:36 <dm8tbr> no idea then
Nov 12 07:02:54 <beagle13> dm8tbr: is there a way to troubleshoot this
Nov 12 07:07:29 <router> why I can't execute media-ctl,   '-sh: ./media-ctl: No such file or directory'
Nov 12 07:08:11 <KotH> router: because it does not exist
Nov 12 07:13:17 <router> koth: it is there
Nov 12 07:13:20 <router> under /bin
Nov 12 07:20:23 <KotH> wrong permissions?
Nov 12 07:20:36 <KotH> router: do NOT send me messages in private
Nov 12 07:20:47 <KotH> router: actually dont do that with anyone unless specifically asked
Nov 12 07:20:53 <KotH> you are just pissing people off with that
Nov 12 07:21:02 <KotH> if you have longer text, use pastebin
Nov 12 07:21:17 <router> ok
Nov 12 07:22:12 <router> how do I change the permission?
Nov 12 07:22:34 <router> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root
Nov 12 07:32:37 <KotH> wait a sec...
Nov 12 07:32:55 <KotH> you exectuted ./media-ctl but you said the file is in /bin
Nov 12 07:34:12 <router> koth:yes
Nov 12 07:34:20 <router> i move to /usr/bin
Nov 12 07:34:28 <router> and change to owner and group to 1000
Nov 12 07:34:44 <KotH> *sigh*
Nov 12 07:34:51 <KotH> do you know what ./ means?
Nov 12 07:35:11 <router> yes. execu the file in current directory
Nov 12 07:35:32 <router> i change to /usr/bin and try ./media-ctl and still same problem
Nov 12 07:35:41 <KotH> o_0
Nov 12 07:35:44 <KotH> wrong file format?
Nov 12 07:35:53 <KotH> btw: you definitly need to get a book on unix basics...
Nov 12 07:36:00 <KotH> changing the group doesnt help here
Nov 12 07:36:13 <router> this is the file attribute -rwxr-xr-x    1 1000     1000
Nov 12 07:36:20 <router> i did chmod +x
Nov 12 07:36:22 <router> same thing
Nov 12 07:36:28 <dm8tbr> what does 'file /usr/bin/media-ctl' say?
Nov 12 07:36:32 <KotH> oh.. 1000 does not only not help, it's even wrong
Nov 12 07:36:32 <router> i can run the mplayer in that same diretory
Nov 12 07:36:45 <router> -sh: ./media-ctl: No such file or directory
Nov 12 07:36:47 <KotH> anyway.. gtg
Nov 12 07:36:59 <router> koth:thx for the help
Nov 12 07:37:42 <router> mplayer works. "-rwx--x--x    1 root     1000      12541783 Nov 11  2013 mplayer "
Nov 12 07:38:23 <router> i use readelf and it shows that it is Arm executable file
Nov 12 07:40:48 <dm8tbr> router: it might still be a mismatch of some sort
Nov 12 07:40:48 <dm8tbr> router: it might be for the wrong libc
Nov 12 07:41:28 <router> you right
Nov 12 07:41:37 <router> i try to build media-ctl.
Nov 12 07:41:53 <router> can't found any help on google.
Nov 12 07:42:36 <router> anyone know how to build media-ctl?
Nov 12 07:42:54 <kevin_Rz2> hello guys, i built Angstrom 1.4 2013.06, from the sources. installed gstreamer1.0 and plugins, when i run it it crashes :/ it freezes then after i close the putty terminal, it gets back to normal, anyone with a similarish issue?
Nov 12 07:43:55 <router> maybe your putty freeze
Nov 12 07:44:08 <router> not the angstrom
Nov 12 07:44:53 <router> when you closed yoru putty, did you  also reset the board?
Nov 12 07:45:56 <dm8tbr> router: what is media-ctl?
Nov 12 07:46:29 <router> to setup cmos camera
Nov 12 07:47:11 <dm8tbr> did you compile that binary yourself?
Nov 12 07:47:27 <router> i add the mt9p031 to  ti sitara 6.0. and I need to use it configure the camera
Nov 12 07:47:31 <router> yup
Nov 12 07:47:53 <dm8tbr> so you're using some sort of TI environment?
Nov 12 07:47:53 <router> like you said, could be the wrong library
Nov 12 07:48:24 <router> i use the TI sitara 3.3.7 kernel header
Nov 12 07:49:22 <router> i can't find build works for me. so i have to build myself.
Nov 12 07:49:45 <dm8tbr> sounds like you should talk to TI E2E
Nov 12 07:50:19 <router> ti sitara have media-ctl. so i have to build myself.
Nov 12 07:58:27 <kevin_rz2> nono the board dosnt restart, the ping drops to time-out after i close the terminal it comes back, i ran 2 instances 1 with top and other with gstreamer, they freeze both, only after i close the gstreamer terminal like in 10secs it gets back to work, as in i can see the changes in top.
Nov 12 08:05:17 <kevin_rz2> it freezes on rtph264pay :O raw works fine...
Nov 12 08:05:38 <kevin_rz2> but well what will decode raw h264 ?
Nov 12 08:11:36 <jamesjamesss> ;
Nov 12 08:11:53 <Kernle> Heyho...
Nov 12 08:24:26 <Kernle> I still need to get xbmc running on my BBB... *sigh*
Nov 12 09:27:06 <av500> its not use
Nov 12 09:31:22 <ynezz> -ful
Nov 12 09:40:48 <spbnick> Hi everyone! I'm having a problem triggering a software IRQ from a standalone u-boot application in assembly on BBB. Could someone take a look and tell me if I did anything wrong? Thanks! Here is the code: http://pastebin.com/ZJXj9C0u
Nov 12 09:50:37 * KotH declines to look at assembler
Nov 12 09:50:47 <KotH> spbnick: it's the 21st century! people use js and python for stuff like this!
Nov 12 09:52:46 <spbnick> KotH: I've had my share of js and python, I'm not seeking easy ways :)
Nov 12 09:53:12 <KotH> then you have not seen the light, yet!
Nov 12 09:54:05 <spbnick> KotH: Besides, my ultimate target is Linux kernel development and it's not done in js and python yet :)
Nov 12 09:55:19 <spbnick> KotH: And I *do* want to learn ARM architecture and embedded development :)
Nov 12 09:55:42 <KotH> the work on porting the kernel to node.js has already started
Nov 12 09:56:03 <KotH> it's only a matter of time until the kernel is fully real time capable!
Nov 12 09:56:18 <spbnick> KotH: Heh, node.js isn't running on bare metal yet ;)
Nov 12 09:57:03 <KotH> oh, that's only a minor problem
Nov 12 09:57:07 <KotH> it'll be solved soon
Nov 12 09:57:38 <ogra_> once there is systemd-nodejs ?
Nov 12 09:57:41 <KotH> btw: have you read the ARM ARM?
Nov 12 09:57:56 <spbnick> KotH: Has anyone done a real-time garbage collector for js already?
Nov 12 09:58:22 <spbnick> KotH: I'm in the process of reading it. The code is the current result.
Nov 12 09:58:31 <KotH> node.js is real time! it's designed that way! async io all the way down!
Nov 12 09:59:58 <spbnick> KotH: You didn't answer the question :)
Nov 12 10:00:23 <dm8tbr> KotH: all the way down until you reach the turtles ofc
Nov 12 10:03:54 <spbnick> So can someone please look at my assembly :)?
Nov 12 10:04:34 * KotH knows too little about arm asm to answer
Nov 12 10:04:36 <KotH> :-/
Nov 12 10:06:53 <spbnick> KotH: Well, thanks for a fun discussion, anyway :) Next stop: stackoverflow, probably.
Nov 12 10:07:35 <KotH> good luck there
Nov 12 10:29:36 <Rotti> hi!
Nov 12 11:02:49 <suihkulokki> so.. for xserver for omap we the choice
Nov 12 11:03:41 <KotH> yes, you the choice
Nov 12 11:03:59 <suihkulokki> of xf86-video-xfbdev xf86-video-omapfb, xf86-video-omap, xf86-video-modesetting, xf86-video-armsoc and what else...
Nov 12 11:06:46 <suihkulokki> seems angstrom settles for -modesetting on my beaglebone
Nov 12 11:08:48 * KotH has never run x11 on an omap device, beside the first run of ubuntu for testing
Nov 12 13:18:50 <TooLmaN> angstrom's site offline?
Nov 12 13:19:41 <vmayoral> looks like it to me, located in Italy
Nov 12 13:19:52 <KotH> has been for a couple of days already
Nov 12 13:20:31 <TooLmaN> ok thanks
Nov 12 13:20:33 <KotH> people are already looking into it
Nov 12 13:21:07 <TooLmaN> just got my first BBB.  Already rolled a kernel before I had the unit  lol
Nov 12 13:21:32 <TooLmaN> I bought the wrong HDMI cable so I'm pure ssh atm  :/
Nov 12 13:22:53 <teju> i got my first BBB. i want to flash debian wheezy on external sd card. so i was try with xz tool but it shows operation not permitted
Nov 12 13:22:58 <teju> any one help ne
Nov 12 13:24:19 <KotH> teju: writing on a raw block device needs root permission. you cannot do that as a mere mortal
Nov 12 13:26:39 <TooLmaN> ssh isn't connecting via USB using 192.168.7.2.  I have the website up on 192.168.7.2 but not ssh.  Suggestions?
Nov 12 13:27:50 <KotH> TooLmaN: use a serial cable and connect it to the debug port
Nov 12 13:28:42 <TooLmaN> KotH: I don't have a serial cable.  I'm assuming like DB9 to FTDI cable?
Nov 12 13:29:18 <KotH> actually a "3V3 serial to whateveryouhaveonyourpc"
Nov 12 13:29:30 <KotH> they are sold for 5usd up on ebay
Nov 12 13:29:44 <KotH> if you dont like ebay, adafruit, olimex  and others sell them too
Nov 12 13:31:51 <TooLmaN> what about the FTDI Friend (http://www.adafruit.com/products/284) from Adafruit?  I have one of these
Nov 12 13:33:16 <TooLmaN> guests in the front conference room, afk a sec, but leaving IRC open.  Thanks
Nov 12 13:35:17 <KotH> TooLmaN: that should work
Nov 12 13:35:30 <KotH> TooLmaN: check voltage level (should be 3.3V) and exact pin numbering
Nov 12 14:00:08 <TooLmaN> KotH: Okay, I'll check it out first.  Thanks
Nov 12 14:12:08 <TooLmaN> KotH:  I got the FTDI VCP driver working (http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm).  I'm serial-connected via COM10.  :)
Nov 12 14:12:18 <TooLmaN> over USB btw
Nov 12 14:12:25 <KotH> congrats
Nov 12 14:12:30 <KotH> now the real work starts :)
Nov 12 14:12:40 <TooLmaN> yep yep
Nov 12 14:12:53 <TooLmaN> I'm happy when I have a native console lol
Nov 12 14:28:27 <TooLmaN> Are you supposed to be able to SSH to the default 192.168.7.2 address?
Nov 12 14:30:46 * KotH does not know
Nov 12 14:32:46 <vmayoral> has anybody have some success connecting the BBB to a WPA-EAP TTLS network such as "eduroam"?
Nov 12 14:33:06 <vmayoral> can't find much about it and i gave it a try without much success
Nov 12 14:34:03 <vmayoral> this is what i get https://gist.github.com/vmayoral/7431764
Nov 12 14:47:43 <KotH> vmayoral: uhmm.. i did the setup of eduroam with wicd on my laptop
Nov 12 14:48:07 <KotH> vmayoral: if you ask me again in 4-5h i can look up the correct values you need
Nov 12 14:49:10 <vmayoral> KotH: thank you. I'll do that
Nov 12 15:12:03 <dhamilt9> Hey, does anyone know what's up with the Angstrom site, and when it might be back up?
Nov 12 15:13:26 <av500> when its fully backed on kickstarter
Nov 12 15:14:58 <dhamilt9> Where's the kickstarter at?
Nov 12 15:20:10 <av500> sorry, it was a joke
Nov 12 15:20:15 <av500> they are looking into it
Nov 12 15:28:52 <dhamilt9> Gotcha, thanks
Nov 12 15:48:29 <mark4> gdb wont ever work for me, theres no way it ever could
Nov 12 15:48:40 <mark4> attempting to use any front end for gdb was a complete and utter waste of time
Nov 12 15:49:01 <mark4> the code i need to debug has ZERO debug info associated wiht it and will never have any debug info associated with it
Nov 12 15:49:29 <mark4> gdb is too MORONIC to simply display and single step opcodes
Nov 12 15:49:47 <mark4> this means i probably will never be able to get this compiler up and running
Nov 12 15:50:04 <mark4> unless i pay thousands of dollars for some NON gnu development tools
Nov 12 15:51:16 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/Sr_lEA
Nov 12 15:51:16 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 8400915 Robert Nelson: 3.8: add mmc hang fix from mainline...
Nov 12 15:51:24 * KotH pats mark4 on the head
Nov 12 15:51:29 <KotH> there, there, have some cookies
Nov 12 15:52:13 <mark4> koth if you have any suggestions i would love to hear them
Nov 12 15:52:50 <KotH> sorry, i'm a vi user, my suggestions are not your cup of tea
Nov 12 15:53:55 <mark4> i have tried every single gdb front end available
Nov 12 15:53:59 <mark4> even stand alone gdb
Nov 12 15:54:19 <mark4> it wont work. gdb will not even single step an opcode that does not have debug information associated wiht it
Nov 12 15:54:49 <Anguel> mark4: do you run gdbserver on target?
Nov 12 15:54:58 <agmlego> Too bad gdb is a closed-source program. I guess it can never, ever have the required functionality.
Nov 12 15:55:20 <KotH> mark4: feel free to write a usefull, 21st century style debugger
Nov 12 15:55:30 <KotH> mark4: you may even use forth, if you want to
Nov 12 15:55:51 <das> no one has ever used gdb nor will ever use until it has been fully recoded in forth
Nov 12 15:56:24 <mark4> fine just be dicks about it. whatever
Nov 12 15:56:28 <agmlego> mark4: Or, you know, file a feature request with the gdb project, rather than ranting, uselessly and repeatedly, about it here.
Nov 12 15:56:39 <agmlego> Be proactive and productive.
Nov 12 15:57:03 <das> go forth and multiply
Nov 12 16:01:10 <KotH> agmlego: well, he is right with one thing: compared to what you have on the windows and macos, gdb is a very poor excuse for a debugger
Nov 12 16:02:29 <das> who needs a debugger for word/excel anyways ?
Nov 12 16:02:45 <mark4> koth just for saying that i forgive your pokes at me earlier. i know im a PITA, i have been working 18 hours a day for the past 3 or 4 weeks on this and dead ending like this is frustrating as hell
Nov 12 16:02:49 <agmlego> KotH: I will not disagree.
Nov 12 16:03:19 <agmlego> But the only way the open-source tools will ever get better, is for people who are frustrated with them help to improve them.
Nov 12 16:03:35 <agmlego> Rather than endlessly spouting off in IRC channels in the dim corners of the Internet. ;-P
Nov 12 16:03:36 <KotH> mark4: dont worry
Nov 12 16:03:40 <KotH> mark4: i'm known to be a major PITA too...
Nov 12 16:04:19 <KotH> mark4: i currently even refrain from helping people here, because it would be just insults... the project i'm working is ..."not nice"
Nov 12 16:04:27 <mark4> yea well i act like a complete dick when i get this frustrated :(
Nov 12 16:04:42 <KotH> agmlego: part of it is that gdb has architectural issues
Nov 12 16:04:59 <KotH> agmlego: you'd need in depth knowledge of it and support from its developers to do a major rework
Nov 12 16:05:17 <KotH> agmlego: it's by far easier to just write a new one from scratch while using bits and pieces from gdb
Nov 12 16:06:14 <mark4> i have a severe alergic reaction to Linux C code
Nov 12 16:06:29 <mark4> it all looks like cluster fuck gordian knot shit
Nov 12 16:06:37 <KotH> agmlego: but the real problem with gdb is that it exists. it works well enough for people that they have not enough reason to invest time in a new debugger
Nov 12 16:06:52 <mark4> no comments. fucked up inconsistent formatting, heavilly over engineered and unmaintainable
Nov 12 16:07:12 <mark4> thats the problem with ALL of the gnu development tools
Nov 12 16:07:54 <mark4> bigger problem right now is that the only way to send an email to the gdb mailing lists (and i LOATHE mailing lists) is to subscribe
Nov 12 16:07:57 <agmlego> KotH: I have to say, I was reasonably impressed by ddd back when I did anything that required a debugger.
Nov 12 16:08:05 <agmlego> But yes, gdb has major issues.
Nov 12 16:08:13 <KotH> mark4: are you m. simon?
Nov 12 16:08:24 <mark4> no
Nov 12 16:08:29 <KotH> ok...
Nov 12 16:08:48 <KotH> mark4: he has the same oppinion on linux's code and is also a forth fanatic :)
Nov 12 16:09:07 <mark4> agmlego, my first use of gdb/ddd put me right off.  you cant single step till you click run. put a break point on your entry point and click run and... woooooshhh... runs right past your breakpoint.
Nov 12 16:09:15 <mark4> they fixed that subsequently i believe
Nov 12 16:09:23 <mark4> i like the guy already
Nov 12 16:09:32 <KotH> mark4: but please differentiate between GNU code, the kernel code and linux/OSS in general
Nov 12 16:10:02 <KotH> mark4: the linux code is actually quite nice, has consistent formating (unless you look at some driver code, that can be very shitty)
Nov 12 16:10:03 <mark4> koth actually i DO differentiate but again i have no love for the C programming language at all so even the Kernel code is not anythig i want to even LOOK at
Nov 12 16:10:24 <mark4> i actualy hate C with a passion
Nov 12 16:10:39 <agmlego> Good for you.
Nov 12 16:10:40 <KotH> mark4: GNU is basically cathedral gone OSS code. old structures of people in half closed circles with an inner cabal developing software that is RMS approved
Nov 12 16:10:55 <mark4> but while i do not ever want to look inside the kernel im very happy with how it looks on the outside :)
Nov 12 16:11:29 <KotH> mark4: do you  know perl?
Nov 12 16:11:32 <mark4> nope
Nov 12 16:11:53 <mark4> i know C (ill code it for about $50++ an hour), assembler and forth
Nov 12 16:12:01 <mark4> i refuse to learn skript kiddie stuff
Nov 12 16:12:04 <agmlego> mark4: If I may ask, if you hate C so much...what are you even using gdb for?
Nov 12 16:12:11 <KotH> mark4: you're cheap!
Nov 12 16:12:37 <mark4> koth i have no love for money, i know consultants that wont work for less than $100 an hour
Nov 12 16:13:06 <mark4> agmlego, when there is only one option you at least TRY to use it
Nov 12 16:13:33 <agmlego> I disagree.
Nov 12 16:13:34 <mark4> on x86 i at least had ALD
Nov 12 16:13:47 <agmlego> Generally, I use whatever the hell I feel like regardless of circumstances.
Nov 12 16:13:54 <Biodragon> softice
Nov 12 16:13:58 <KotH> mark4: my company sells me for 200CHF/h :)
Nov 12 16:14:02 <mark4> Biodragon, softice was nice
Nov 12 16:14:10 <mark4> CHF?
Nov 12 16:14:15 <Biodragon> ah the good old days
Nov 12 16:14:29 <Biodragon> someone recognizing softice makes me feel less old
Nov 12 16:14:33 <mark4> Biodragon, you ever use A86/D86?
Nov 12 16:14:36 <KotH> mark4: real currency
Nov 12 16:14:46 <mark4> oooh for an assembler and debugger like those for linux /drool
Nov 12 16:14:49 <KotH> mark4: currency that still can buy you bread ;)
Nov 12 16:15:04 <mark4> koth the us dollar still can... for now
Nov 12 16:15:37 <Biodragon> mark4: don't think so, but my memory isn't what it used to be
Nov 12 16:15:59 <mark4> biodragon assembler and disassembler for DOS by Eric J Isaacson
Nov 12 16:16:03 <mark4> shareware
Nov 12 16:16:25 <mark4> register and you get A386/D386
Nov 12 16:16:27 <KotH> mark4: do you work mostly in forth?
Nov 12 16:16:28 <mark4> i registered
Nov 12 16:16:39 <mark4> koth for my own stuff i work ONLY in forth
Nov 12 16:16:49 <mark4> for anyone else thats paying me its generally C
Nov 12 16:16:51 <KotH> mark4: hmm.. isnt that too low level?
Nov 12 16:17:07 <mark4> no actually forth is as low level as you want it to be or as high level as you want it to be
Nov 12 16:17:11 <KotH> mark4: i stopped even using c++ because i get things done more quickly when using perl
Nov 12 16:17:12 <mark4> it spans the entire spectrum
Nov 12 16:17:19 <KotH> hmm...
Nov 12 16:17:26 <KotH> mark4: any good book on forth out there?
Nov 12 16:17:33 <KotH> mark4: that spans the whole spectrum
Nov 12 16:17:57 * KotH has read quite a bit on forth a couple of years ago, but all the texts were dealing with low level stuff
Nov 12 16:18:09 <mark4> koth i could teach you forth in 2 weeks. after those 2 weeks you would know more about the internal workings of forh than 20 years of C teaches you about the internall workings of c
Nov 12 16:18:27 <mark4> koth in forth you do bottom up coding
Nov 12 16:18:31 <mark4> : xxx forth code here ;
Nov 12 16:18:35 <mark4> small primitives
Nov 12 16:18:48 <mark4> you use those to create higher level definitions which you use to create higher level definitions
Nov 12 16:18:49 <KotH> mark4: cool! i'll take you on that offer
Nov 12 16:18:55 <KotH> mark4: i'll pay in swiss chocolate :)
Nov 12 16:19:08 <mark4> nothing less than 90% cocoa tyvm
Nov 12 16:19:17 <mark4> koth you have a linux box?
Nov 12 16:19:55 <mark4> i teach you forth, you feed me chocolate and fix my arm beable forth... done deal!
Nov 12 16:20:19 <KotH> hehe
Nov 12 16:20:37 <KotH> mark4: do i look like a guy who would use windows without being fully compensated for it?
Nov 12 16:20:47 <mark4> but if you have an x86 linux box check out www.isforth.com and download my linux compiler
Nov 12 16:21:20 <mark4> if you use a debian derivative like ubuntu (ugh) there are "issues" with it that i wont fix in my compiler related to the FHS breakage
Nov 12 16:21:32 <mark4> easy to fix but i wont implement the fix inside my compiler
Nov 12 16:21:57 <KotH> mark4: i have a debian/testing box
Nov 12 16:22:02 <mark4> debian distributions do not fully honor the FHS
Nov 12 16:22:08 <KotH> really?
Nov 12 16:22:12 <mark4> really
Nov 12 16:22:21 <mark4> they put terminfo in /lib/terminfo or something
Nov 12 16:22:23 <KotH> i thought FHS compliance was a major part in the package approval proces?
Nov 12 16:22:26 <mark4> instead of /usr/share/terminfo
Nov 12 16:22:38 <KotH> hmm...
Nov 12 16:22:49 <KotH> prolly because they need it at boot up before /usr is mounted?
Nov 12 16:22:49 <mark4> actually they DO use /usr/share/terminfo
Nov 12 16:23:03 <mark4> byt SOME of the database is move in to /lib so they can unmount /usr
Nov 12 16:23:12 <mark4> and still have terminfo available
Nov 12 16:23:34 <mark4> the fix is simple. copy all of the stuff they put in /lib/terminfo into /usr/share/terminfo
Nov 12 16:24:00 <KotH> i never had any of self compiled software break on terminfo
Nov 12 16:24:03 <mark4> i COULD make my forth look in both places but i do not believe in putting duct tape code inside my stuff to fix your breakages
Nov 12 16:24:14 <mark4> because everyone else uses ncurses
Nov 12 16:24:21 <KotH> could be
Nov 12 16:24:27 <KotH> and that's ofc fixed
Nov 12 16:24:32 <mark4> i dont. i wrote my own terminfo parser and text user interface
Nov 12 16:24:52 <KotH> anyways.. i've been here for 7h, time to go home and call it a day
Nov 12 16:24:58 <mark4> yes. ncurses fixes all the dumbass breakages in all the termiinfo files for all the available terminals
Nov 12 16:25:12 <mark4> thats why ncurses is 400k in size where my total curses library is 6k in size
Nov 12 16:25:20 <mark4> koth go download isforth
Nov 12 16:25:26 <mark4> lessons start tomorrow :P
Nov 12 16:25:28 <KotH> i''l try that
Nov 12 16:25:31 <mark4> do drop >in
Nov 12 16:25:31 <KotH> *g*
Nov 12 16:25:57 <KotH> mark4: i'll have to do some reading on QM this evening. i've lectures tomorrow
Nov 12 16:25:59 <mark4> i also refused to fix SEVERE stupidness in gnome terminal
Nov 12 16:26:14 <mark4> whats qm? and who is doing the lecturing? you?
Nov 12 16:26:20 <mark4> or are you one of the victims?
Nov 12 16:27:19 <mark4> i really wanted to release this to the community before the end of the year :(
Nov 12 16:30:06 <KotH> QM = quantum mechanics, no i'm sitting in a lecture and trying to follow the prof :)
Nov 12 16:30:23 <mark4> aha. i skipped that entire education shit
Nov 12 16:30:37 <KotH> lol
Nov 12 16:31:00 <KotH> you know, my regard for anyone calling education shit is very very low ;)
Nov 12 16:31:08 <KotH> n'abend woglinde
Nov 12 16:31:35 <mark4> no education isnt shit, its the brain washing instituions that say "this is the only way to get educated" that i dont have any respect for
Nov 12 16:32:30 <mark4> those people suffering said brain washging... you have my prayers :P
Nov 12 16:33:04 * KotH has been in brain washing institutions for a total of 23 years
Nov 12 16:33:24 <mark4> ugh
Nov 12 16:33:26 <KotH> anways.. i'm gone
Nov 12 16:33:27 <alan_o> mark4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_%28making_excuses%29
Nov 12 16:35:15 <mark4> not sure where that came from
Nov 12 16:35:27 <alan_o> exactly
Nov 12 16:36:55 <honestly> alan_o: that was pretty lame and passive-aggressive
Nov 12 16:37:18 <av500> uh oh
Nov 12 16:37:22 <mark4> at least when i get aggressive its aggressive aggressive :P
Nov 12 16:37:48 <alan_o> I didn't think it was passive at all.
Nov 12 16:40:26 <alan_o> I'm with KotH, and have very little use for people who think education is a waste of time. Nobody says "this is the only way to get educated." It's a straw man argument. Calling education brainwashing is obviously rationalization by those who don't have any. The logic was pretty simple, and the aggression at a transparent level.
Nov 12 16:41:22 <alan_o> get education, or don't, whatever. Plenty of smart people don't have degrees. Just don't lie about what education is :)
Nov 12 16:41:54 <honestly> alan_o: nice rant, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with what mark4 said
Nov 12 16:42:07 <honestly> I'm a grad student and love uni btw
Nov 12 16:42:35 <av500> damn, I was not brainwashed at uni
Nov 12 16:42:39 <av500> I want my money back
Nov 12 16:42:44 <av500> my brain is still dirty
Nov 12 16:45:38 <alan_o> honestly: not sure how you don't see it, maybe you have to scroll back higher, I don't know, but I'm done talking about it. Better things to do with my time.
Nov 12 16:46:05 <vvu|Log> university remembers me that i still have some homework due these days and some exams to pass...
Nov 12 16:46:45 <mdp> I went to the wrong Uni, no brain-washing. another american screw-up :(
Nov 12 16:48:15 <mark4> if you went to any US university you were brainwashed
Nov 12 16:48:21 <mdp> lol
Nov 12 16:48:25 <mark4> so thoroughly you dont even realise it!
Nov 12 16:48:35 <mdp> I love this channel ;)
Nov 12 16:48:50 * panto summons hardware-bug 
Nov 12 16:48:57 <panto> hardware-bug, hardware-bug, hardware-bug
Nov 12 16:50:11 <mark4> how do i make gmail send one mail in plain text only? no html?
Nov 12 16:55:41 <honestly> if you're using gmail you're brainwashed
Nov 12 16:56:04 <bahar> honestly, what would you suggest instead of gmail?
Nov 12 16:57:04 <honestly> I run my own email server
Nov 12 16:57:15 <honestly> on $5 / month vps
Nov 12 16:57:51 <honestly> could probably find something even cheaper if you looked, I have another vps for $28 / year that would probably run the mail server fine
Nov 12 16:59:10 <honestly> if you're an activist or run a public service project, riseup.net will be happy to give you free e-mail
Nov 12 16:59:22 <honestly> but that requires a small amount of brainwashing too
Nov 12 16:59:48 <honestly> but the quick fix here is, change composition settings to plain text
Nov 12 16:59:55 <honestly> or just use a mail client
Nov 12 17:00:16 <honestly> composition settings are the third-to-last or something on the first settings page
Nov 12 17:00:25 <honestly> in the gmail web interface
Nov 12 17:03:42 <mark4> gmail is the only option if you have an android device. you can not use the play store without a gmail account
Nov 12 17:03:58 <mark4> but yes i hate gmail, i dont even use google as a search engine
Nov 12 17:04:13 <mark4> im on the list of people ready to beta test StartMail.
Nov 12 17:04:48 <mark4> startmail is by the same people who do the startpage search engine. the worlds most private search engine
Nov 12 17:05:12 <honestly> gmail isn't the only opton
Nov 12 17:05:15 <honestly> optionÜ
Nov 12 17:05:17 <honestly> *
Nov 12 17:05:37 <honestly> android doesn't stop your from using other e-mail accounts in addition to gmail, does it?
Nov 12 17:05:47 <Sicelo> no
Nov 12 17:06:42 <mark4> in ADDITION to
Nov 12 17:06:57 <mark4> you cannot use the google play store without an active gmail account
Nov 12 17:06:58 <mark4> period
Nov 12 17:07:38 <honestly> mark4: I know. So?
Nov 12 17:07:53 <honestly> I have an active gmail account
Nov 12 17:07:57 <honestly> I don't even use android
Nov 12 17:08:15 <honestly> But I'm moving away from it
Nov 12 17:08:18 <mark4> honestly, the point was "you dont have to use gmail" erm yea you do. sort of
Nov 12 17:08:26 <honestly> lol
Nov 12 17:08:29 <mark4> i would LOVE to totally abandon everything related to google
Nov 12 17:08:57 <honestly> nobody forces you to use gmail for plain text emails though
Nov 12 17:09:21 * ogra_ never used gmail on any android phone ... 
Nov 12 17:09:28 <mark4> no but i found out how to send them in gmail
Nov 12 17:09:33 <mark4> it wasnt obvious tho
Nov 12 17:13:58 <ragnar76> anyone successfull configured hostapd and dnsmasq on ubuntu?
Nov 12 17:14:24 <jonpry> if i specify pinmux in beaglebone expansion eeprom, do i still need it in devtree overlay?
Nov 12 17:18:00 <crabtack> Hello!
Nov 12 17:21:40 <crabtack> I have a problem with my beaglebone Black. Before i have installed the new Angström, everything was right. But now i have installed the new Angström. When I plug the Beaglebone into the USB Port my PC freezes. The PC is runnig the newest lubuntu.
Nov 12 17:23:11 <crabtack> does anyone have an idea?
Nov 12 17:24:02 <MatthieuG> Hi! Generally, a PC freeze with a USB device when the device send too much bad usb packet (checksum error)
Nov 12 17:24:40 <crabtack> Thank you, but how can I fix it? pleas excuse my bad english :)
Nov 12 17:26:52 <MatthieuG> I had the same problem with a GPS, when I connected it to my computer, it became very slow. You can get more information about the trouble with usbmon and aircrack (sniff usb packet).
Nov 12 17:27:29 <MatthieuG> But I don't know any solution to solve your problem.
Nov 12 17:28:33 <crabtack> The problem is, that the System freezes directly, so it is impossible to use a sniffer
Nov 12 17:29:16 <MatthieuG> Can you try with another distrib  ?
Nov 12 17:30:37 <crabtack> I have already done this, Iḿ changed from ubuntu to lubuntu
Nov 12 17:30:54 <crabtack> Iǘe tried it also under windows, and it works
Nov 12 17:34:19 <Quinto> Hi how activate gpio?
Nov 12 17:34:47 <Sulphurik> Hello everyone
Nov 12 17:34:59 <MatthieuG> Did you try to connect your PC to your BBB, and connect your BBB to another computer. And use the command "dmesg" to show what's happening ?
Nov 12 17:36:21 <Sulphurik> my BB boots but all i can see is a beagleboard start screen and it doesn't do anything else
Nov 12 17:36:24 <Sulphurik> any ideas?
Nov 12 17:37:02 <ragnar76> Sulphurik: sounds like your display does not like the hdmi output
Nov 12 17:37:11 <ragnar76> just like mine :/
Nov 12 17:38:12 <Sulphurik> i've only tried it on a horrible 15" tv so that might be it
Nov 12 17:38:43 <ragnar76> i took a hdmi to dvi adapter and a stupid pc display
Nov 12 17:39:06 <Sulphurik> ragnar76: unfortunately i don't have a serial cable to do diagnostics
Nov 12 17:39:49 <ragnar76> so do i
Nov 12 17:42:06 <Quinto> How enable gpio for to put a switch?
Nov 12 17:43:21 <Quinto> i need 2 switch
Nov 12 17:43:42 <crabtack> MatthieuG:  How should i connect two PCś to my BBB
Nov 12 17:43:44 <crabtack> ?
Nov 12 17:45:11 <MatthieuG> crabtack : Debug PC <--- FTDI ---> BBB <---- USB -----> PC or Debug PC <--- Eth ----> BBB <---- USB ----> PC
Nov 12 17:45:24 <MatthieuG> Does anyone know if U-boot (BBB version) can boot from network ?
Nov 12 17:55:30 <_SY_> Can anyone help me with a node.js issue on the beaglebone black?  I have an application which listens to port 8080 on HTTP and also for socket.io, everything works fine when I run the same app. on a PC, but on the BBB, it won't connect to socket.io, HTTP appears to be ok.
Nov 12 17:56:00 <jkridner> _SY_: don't ask to ask.
Nov 12 17:56:10 <jkridner> _SY_: Just start sharing more info.
Nov 12 17:56:27 <_SY_> What more would you like to know?
Nov 12 17:56:39 <_SY_> The app. works on desktop, but not on BBB.
Nov 12 17:56:45 <jkridner> anything, because you really haven't said much.
Nov 12 17:56:57 <_SY_> ok, here is a snippet of the application.
Nov 12 17:57:01 <jkridner> like, do you have the code on a github?
Nov 12 17:57:21 <jkridner> please use gist or pastebin or a link to githbu
Nov 12 17:57:22 <_SY_> no.
Nov 12 17:57:29 <_SY_> // Listen for HTTP clients
Nov 12 17:57:29 <_SY_>     var httpServer = new httpsvr.clsHTTPsvr();
Nov 12 17:57:29 <_SY_>     httpServer.addHandler("/mimic.js", mimicRequestHandler);
Nov 12 17:57:29 <_SY_>     httpServer.addHandler("/gxmlbldr", mimicBuilderHandler);
Nov 12 17:57:29 <_SY_>     var app = http.createServer(httpServer.defaultHandler),
Nov 12 17:57:29 <_SY_> // Link the socket to the http server
Nov 12 17:57:30 <_SY_>         io = socket.listen(app, {"log":false});
Nov 12 17:57:30 <_SY_> // Handle connection requests
Nov 12 17:57:31 <_SY_>     io.sockets.on("connection", socketHandler);
Nov 12 17:57:31 <_SY_> // Start listening
Nov 12 17:57:31 <jkridner> ugh
Nov 12 17:57:42 <_SY_> app.listen(8080);
Nov 12 17:58:00 <jkridner> did you read the info at http://beagleboard.org/chat?
Nov 12 17:58:02 <crabtack_> The problem is, that i have only one PC :(
Nov 12 17:58:07 <jkridner> there is some FAQ information there about using IRC.
Nov 12 17:58:45 <jkridner> do you have socket-io.client installed on your Black?
Nov 12 17:59:39 <_SY_> yes, in /usr/lib/node_modules it is showing socket.io
Nov 12 17:59:58 <_SY_> brb, have to pop out, will be back in 15 mins.
Nov 12 18:00:00 <KotH> mark4: ok.. i just read the wikipedia entry on forth
Nov 12 18:00:06 <jkridner> _SY_: Do you know if it's the same version?
Nov 12 18:00:11 <jkridner> hmmm.
Nov 12 18:00:18 <KotH> mark4: can you explain me what makes forth a great language?
Nov 12 18:03:32 <MatthieuG> crabtack_ : Maybe you can connect your BBB to your pc with USB, reboot your PC (don't power off the beaglebone) and connect your PC to the BBB with Eth and show logs (dmesg ...)
Nov 12 18:12:59 <_SY_> back will check versions now.
Nov 12 18:14:02 <_SY_> on my PC I have node version v0.10.12
Nov 12 18:14:11 <_SY_> on BBB I have v0.8.22
Nov 12 18:14:23 <_SY_> I'll try updating BBB.
Nov 12 18:15:29 <jkridner> that'll be tough.
Nov 12 18:15:33 <mrpackethead> its not digital. but itsaswesome
Nov 12 18:15:39 <jkridner> bonescript uses socket.io, so I know it works.
Nov 12 18:15:55 <jkridner> _SY_: jumping up to 0.10.x will cause you more pain in the short run.
Nov 12 18:16:15 <MatthieuG> can U-boot boot from network ?
Nov 12 18:16:20 <jkridner> you can look at /usr/lib/node_modules/bonescript/server.js for a working socket.io implementation.
Nov 12 18:16:25 <jkridner> MatthieuG: sure
Nov 12 18:17:25 <MatthieuG> thank you. Boot from network is the fast way to test different kernel and rootfs ?
Nov 12 18:18:55 <jkridner> MatthieuG: yeah, if you are in a heavy rebuild cycle, it is probably the fastest.
Nov 12 18:19:15 <jkridner> it is possible to even boot u-boot itself over a network or even over USB, but it is complicated...
Nov 12 18:19:34 <jkridner> having the flash boot u-boot and fetch the kernel and rootfs over the network is the typical fast-rebuild solution.
Nov 12 18:19:50 <jkridner> TFTP for the kernel and NFS for the rootfs.
Nov 12 18:20:25 * jkridner just boots from uSD cards though (FAT w/ initramfs or ramdisk.gz)
Nov 12 18:25:46 <MatthieuG> Most tutorial on Internet describe how to boot from SD card for flashing BBB but not for only live testing. So is it possible to boot from SD card without flashing emmc ?
Nov 12 18:27:16 <Jetty_> yes
Nov 12 18:27:26 <Jetty_> just press and hold user button
Nov 12 18:28:02 <Jetty_> OR your eMMC should not contain any bootable record
Nov 12 18:29:11 <MatthieuG> Ok I will tried, thank you
Nov 12 18:35:43 <ljenkins_> where does angstrom keep the lock files for serial ports? I can only find posts about this issue for other distros
Nov 12 18:36:45 <ljenkins_>  /var/lock it is
Nov 12 19:12:21 <hexagon> anyone around? got a quick question
Nov 12 19:12:47 <_SY_> hello
Nov 12 19:13:35 <hexagon> On a BBB when I apply power (cold) or after a warm reset (via an OS reboot) .. the system fails to load the bootloader and just sits there trying to load it
Nov 12 19:13:41 <hexagon> It doesn't even get to uboot
Nov 12 19:14:07 <_SY_> have you got a serial cable?
Nov 12 19:14:08 <hexagon> it just sits printing out a single character over and over in the console like it's stuck in the TI loader
Nov 12 19:14:15 <hexagon> yup
Nov 12 19:14:27 <_SY_> does it boot via the serial connection?
Nov 12 19:14:28 <hexagon> the only thing that seems to fix it is reapplying power
Nov 12 19:14:58 <_SY_> Are you booting from eMMC?
Nov 12 19:15:02 <hexagon> yes
Nov 12 19:15:08 <hexagon> its intermittent
Nov 12 19:15:29 <hexagon> it ssems to happen 1 out of 20 times
Nov 12 19:15:37 <_SY_> I've had a couple of instances where after an update its bricked the BBB....only resolution was to reflash
Nov 12 19:15:46 <hexagon> it's not bricking it :/
Nov 12 19:15:54 <_SY_> Have you tried opkg update ?
Nov 12 19:16:18 <_SY_> or opkg upgrade
Nov 12 19:16:28 <hexagon> its not running angstrom
Nov 12 19:16:44 <hexagon> one second lemme get setup here
Nov 12 19:16:50 <_SY_> what distribution are you running?
Nov 12 19:16:58 <hexagon> ubuntu
Nov 12 19:17:05 <hexagon> the failure seems to be between the TI loader and uboot
Nov 12 19:17:35 <hexagon> abnd like i said, reapplying power fixes it
Nov 12 19:17:41 <_SY_> ok, can't remember the package manager for ubuntu, but there is a similar command to update the distribution
Nov 12 19:17:42 <woglinde> SY unfornatly opkg update upgrade is not really supported for BBB
Nov 12 19:18:06 <m_billybob3> hexa havent read eveything said here but it could be power related
Nov 12 19:18:44 <m_billybob3> hexagon,  the startup sequence is very sensative, and power supply ramp time may not always be optimal
Nov 12 19:19:01 <m_billybob3> this happpens to me also occationally.
Nov 12 19:19:40 <hexagon> interesting
Nov 12 19:19:51 <hexagon> even with a stable 5v connection
Nov 12 19:19:52 <m_billybob> theres been talk about this on the forums
Nov 12 19:19:57 <m_billybob> google groups if you like
Nov 12 19:20:00 <hexagon> sounds like a timing issue
Nov 12 19:20:18 <m_billybob> well in effect if this is the problem it *is* a timing issue
Nov 12 19:20:18 <hexagon> but the thing is it also occurs after a warm reboot too
Nov 12 19:20:29 <hexagon> and its only 1 out of 20ish times
Nov 12 19:20:33 <m_billybob> yeap
Nov 12 19:20:37 <hexagon> so so far its affected all of the BBBs i have
Nov 12 19:20:39 <hexagon> around 30ish
Nov 12 19:20:48 <hexagon> got a link by some chance?
Nov 12 19:20:53 <m_billybob> we only have two on they're both effected too
Nov 12 19:20:54 <hexagon> i googled around and maybe im not using the right keywords
Nov 12 19:21:06 <m_billybob> search the beagleboard googe groups
Nov 12 19:21:31 <_SY_> How are you powering the bbb?
Nov 12 19:21:44 <m_billybob> you could always post your own question and explain what you've been sold
Nov 12 19:22:02 <m_billybob> what you've been told so far*
Nov 12 19:22:17 <m_billybob> how they board is powered is irelavent
Nov 12 19:22:20 <hexagon> I've tried using a wall wart 5v as well as a large bench power supply
Nov 12 19:22:45 <m_billybob> it happens on USB or barrel jack
Nov 12 19:23:01 <_SY_> ok, I have two bbb's both powered by a USB mains adapter which I got from Amazon, works fine.
Nov 12 19:23:03 <hexagon> both
Nov 12 19:23:32 <hexagon> and simply removing power and reapplying it fixes it
Nov 12 19:23:37 <_SY_> Yep, it has two USB sockets on one mains adapter
Nov 12 19:23:37 <hexagon> temporarily
Nov 12 19:23:51 <m_billybob> I forget all the exact details, but bits on the BBB have to come up in a certain order. the power regulator memory, then finally CPU etc, and if the power ramp time isnt exactly perfect . . . boot failure
Nov 12 19:24:08 <hexagon> ah
Nov 12 19:24:44 <m_billybob> plus to make it worse theres two different supply voltages ( atleast ) that have to be on in a certain order.
Nov 12 19:25:06 <hexagon> is there a fix in the pipeline?
Nov 12 19:25:12 <hexagon> that you know of
Nov 12 19:25:28 <m_billybob> the only fix i know of it to use or build your own mini UPS
Nov 12 19:25:55 <m_billybob> e.g. dont let the BBB power down, ever lol
Nov 12 19:26:22 <hexagon> sigh
Nov 12 19:26:24 <m_billybob> you can always ping Gerald on the groups about it
Nov 12 19:26:28 <hexagon> sounds like we need an EE on the case
Nov 12 19:26:47 <m_billybob> talk to Gerald about it he designed the baord
Nov 12 19:26:55 <m_billybob> boardtoo
Nov 12 19:31:21 <hexagon> argh
Nov 12 19:31:26 <hexagon> timed out aboug 4 min ago
Nov 12 19:31:50 <m_billybob2> hexagon, im not exactly an EE myself, but how i know al this my buddy here ( co BBB conspirator ) has been an EE for 30+ years. He attempted to build his own board based on this design, and was telling me about all the complexities of the design. this was just one minor such complexiity lol - sorry got disconnected in th middle of writting this responce
Nov 12 19:32:05 <hexagon> yea my connection died too
Nov 12 19:32:31 <hexagon> yea, i dont doubt it, im just worried there wont be an easy work around
Nov 12 19:32:43 <hexagon> cause if i can solder something in place to fix it.. woot woot
Nov 12 19:32:48 <hexagon> if it :(
Nov 12 19:32:51 <hexagon> if not* :(
Nov 12 19:33:01 <hexagon> lolz
Nov 12 19:33:12 <m_billybob2> im sure you could but a cap inline comewhere to ease power blips
Nov 12 19:33:29 <m_billybob> put . . .
Nov 12 19:34:12 <m_billybob> are you intentionaly shuttong down the BBB in "production" ?
Nov 12 19:34:21 <m_billybob> shutting down*
Nov 12 19:34:28 <m_billybob> geeze whatsup with my fingers today
Nov 12 19:40:54 <hexagon> sigh, had to unfubar my networking
Nov 12 19:50:35 * SpeedEvil sighs at fubar networking.
Nov 12 19:50:56 <SpeedEvil> I would quite like a DSL router running openwrt or something.
Nov 12 19:51:08 <SpeedEvil> (With the ability to specify noise margin)
Nov 12 19:51:19 <SpeedEvil> I have yet to find one.
Nov 12 19:51:34 <mark4> koth is here?
Nov 12 19:51:38 <mark4> sorry i went to the store
Nov 12 19:52:02 <mark4> i can easilly explain what makes forth so good
Nov 12 19:52:36 <mark4> development time is trivial. compiled forth is more space efficient than pure assembler <-- i can prove both of those for the unbelievers here
Nov 12 19:53:41 <mark4> forth also teaches some very good programming practices to the extent where if you become good at forth it will make any of your code in any other language that much better
Nov 12 19:53:54 <hexagon> argh ive put my BBB in a reboot loop to reproduce the warm reboot failure and it hasn't done it yet
Nov 12 19:54:08 <mark4> but forth has down sides too
Nov 12 19:54:49 <mark4> speedevil get an asus rt-n16 and put tomato on it
Nov 12 20:10:07 <jonpry> anyone have any luck with BBB gpmc? i've got the pinmux's set and gpmc_config* configured, but i see nothing on any gpmc pins
Nov 12 20:10:48 <Willdude123> Is the serial on  a BBB 5v or 3v3?
Nov 12 20:11:05 <jonpry> 3v3
Nov 12 20:11:07 <dm8tbr> certainly not 5V
Nov 12 20:28:14 <SpeedEvil> mark4: DSL
Nov 12 20:30:42 <mark4> oh
Nov 12 20:30:45 <mark4> blargh lol
Nov 12 20:30:54 <mark4> it was a good suggestion tho! heh
Nov 12 20:37:02 <edgar> Hey everyone I have a real quick question
Nov 12 20:37:20 <edgar> can I boot the angstrom distribution onto beagle bone black from an 8 GB sd card?
Nov 12 20:37:32 <jkridner> yes
Nov 12 20:37:44 <edgar> Or should I just stick with buying a 4gb kingston sd card
Nov 12 20:38:17 <edgar> So there is no issue in using an 8 gb micro sd card? Thanks!
Nov 12 20:38:29 <jkridner> if you use a raw disk image, it'll be wasting the extra space, but it'll work fine.
Nov 12 20:38:33 <jkridner> just ignores the extra space.
Nov 12 20:38:38 <vmayoral> hi everyone
Nov 12 20:39:00 <edgar> thanks alot
Nov 12 20:39:02 <jkridner> you'd have to repartition to expand the size of the storage on the card.
Nov 12 20:39:03 <jkridner> sure
Nov 12 20:39:05 <jkridner> hi vmayoral
Nov 12 20:39:28 <vmayoral> KotH: would you mind sharing with me your "eduroam" setup? I believe you mentioned something about "wicd"
Nov 12 20:42:53 <vmayoral> jkridner: I hope everything ended up fine for all of the other GSOC students. It was really nice participating this year. I'm definitely recommending it
Nov 12 20:43:06 <jkridner> thanks!
Nov 12 20:43:29 <jkridner> was really great working with everyone and we need to do some kind of reunion at some point.
Nov 12 20:44:19 <vmayoral> jkridner: that'll be really nice. I managed to make myself continue working the same line. I recently got involved at the PLANTOID project (http://www.plantoidproject.eu/) and we are going to make use of the BBB. Hopefully i can push forward the work i did this summer
Nov 12 20:44:57 <jkridner> awesome!
Nov 12 21:26:41 <MatthieuG> Hello ! 0x80008000 is the right address to load uImage ?
Nov 12 21:41:04 <woglinde> MatthieuG should be okay but depends on the uImage too
Nov 12 21:43:20 <MatthieuG> I build a console image with OpenEmbedded and meta-angstrom, there are any command to show the load address or the entry point ?
Nov 12 21:43:54 <woglinde> look at the kernel config
Nov 12 21:44:12 <MatthieuG> Ok thx
Nov 12 21:45:27 <vmayoral> KotH: ping
Nov 12 21:48:13 <woglinde> vmayoral I think koth is at sleep now
Nov 12 21:48:26 <vmayoral> i see, thanks
Nov 12 21:48:44 <vmayoral> i'll try contacting him tomorrow then
Nov 12 21:48:50 <vmayoral> thank you!
Nov 12 22:06:54 <nomel> is it possible to damage the gpio pins with overcurrent from shorting them to ground?
Nov 12 22:10:01 <ion> My guess would be no when they’re configured as inputs, yes when they’re configured as outputs.
Nov 12 22:10:32 <nomel> guessing is for psychics.  :P
Nov 12 22:12:48 <nomel> i can't find it in the datasheet.
Nov 12 22:14:14 <nomel> i see buffer strengths for the pins, but not an absolute maximum output current.
Nov 12 22:14:20 <nomel> all i see for that is voltage domains.
Nov 12 22:14:34 <nomel> so, i guess the question is, are the gpio current limited
Nov 12 22:14:40 <nomel> suppose i could test one. muhahah.
Nov 12 22:19:25 <nomel> i really can't find it.
Nov 12 22:19:42 <nomel> everything on the newsgroup seems to be referring to the buffer strength
Nov 12 22:20:36 <nomel> which can't be considered a maximum, unless it's current limited to that buffer strength, meaning there is no maximum for resistive loads.
Nov 12 22:21:11 <nomel> err, for >= 0 ohm loads.
Nov 12 23:06:43 <nomel> it's not in the datasheet.
Nov 12 23:21:33 <gui_> good evening
Nov 12 23:22:50 <gui_> i am trying to read an optical encoder using bonescript, but it seems like the code can't handle the encoder's frequency
Nov 12 23:23:18 <gui_> what is approximately the highest frequency that the BBB can handle for such application?
Nov 13 00:09:32 <ragnar76> is it only opinion or is ubuntu the best runnig os for the bbb?
Nov 13 00:16:44 <thurgood> ragnar76: depends how you define 'best'
Nov 13 00:17:58 <MadJad> any one available to answer a few questions about LCD and beagle?
Nov 13 00:18:36 <jkridner> MadJad: please read the topic
Nov 13 00:18:41 <jkridner> don't ask to ask
Nov 13 00:19:07 <MadJad> -1 for MadJad
Nov 13 00:25:51 <MadJad> Im looking to build an auxiliary equipment alarm monitor, basically I ll have a 12v input signal from a machine when it faults out. Id like to use the beagle board and the beagle LCD7, my questions how many input pins will i have remaining, any issues that why this couldn't be done.
Nov 13 00:41:04 <jkridner> the wiki page for the LCD7 shows the consumed pins.
Nov 13 00:41:27 <jkridner> plus, you need to consider the pins used by the eMMC per http://beagleboard.org/support/bone101/#headers
Nov 13 00:54:49 <jgmrequel> I am having trouble with my BBB - I cannot get it to recognize and use the uSD Card slot for booting
Nov 13 00:57:04 <jgmrequel> I've tried multiple uSD cards in a variety of sizes, multiple images/flashers, and I tried removing the MLO from the onboard eMMC. The last one has me over a barrel as now I cannot do anything with it, since I cannot load from SD
Nov 13 01:01:06 <ragnar76> thurgood: imho, angstrom is a good start, android is horrible,  debian runs quite good and ubuntu is very smooth
Nov 13 01:01:17 <ragnar76> didn't test qnx yet
Nov 13 01:02:23 <ragnar76> jgmrequel: how did you write the images to the sd card?
Nov 13 01:03:02 <jgmrequel> win32diskimager
Nov 13 01:04:11 <ragnar76> ouch, can't say anything to windows
Nov 13 01:05:18 <jgmrequel> I have access to other systems, but I can say I followed the BB provided instructions to the letter. I get no LED activity if I hold boot button other than the power light. None of the usr leds turn on
Nov 13 01:06:42 <jgmrequel> and in fact, since following the last suggestion of removing the MLO from the eMMC to force SD boot, I never get usr led activity
Nov 13 01:07:29 <ragnar76> have you pressed the power button?
Nov 13 01:08:22 <jgmrequel> several times, along with the reset button, with and without supplying power with the user/boot button depressed during startup
Nov 13 01:09:05 <ragnar76> sounds bad
Nov 13 01:09:15 <jgmrequel> indeed
Nov 13 01:12:20 <jgmrequel> I don't suppose there is a way to directly write to the eMMC over serial?
Nov 13 01:13:08 <ragnar76> i don't know. maybe over jtag
Nov 13 01:13:31 <ds2> what do you mean 'directly'?
Nov 13 01:13:48 <jgmrequel> well, the eMMC's pins are exposed through the header
Nov 13 01:14:15 <jgmrequel> 11-17, 18-21 of P9
Nov 13 01:14:22 <jgmrequel> *P8
Nov 13 01:15:58 * vagrantc notes the position of the MLO file on the SD card was significant, putting it as the first file on the filesystem seemed to work
Nov 13 01:16:51 <vagrantc> the partition hosting the MLO on the eMMC got corrupted on me once, and took a while to get a working SD image.
Nov 13 01:17:19 <jgmrequel> hard to tells its position in the filesystem within windows, but I can try and figure it out
Nov 13 01:17:54 <vagrantc> imagine so
Nov 13 01:18:10 <vagrantc> basically creating the filesystem, and copying the MLO as the first file seemed to work
Nov 13 01:18:25 <ragnar76> usually, the first file you copy to a fres filesystem stays as first
Nov 13 01:18:34 <ragnar76> fresh
Nov 13 01:19:54 <jgmrequel> well, I have a fresh Win32image'd sd card, removing and formatting the files themselves now
Nov 13 01:20:18 <ragnar76> jgmrequel: have you tried the debian/ubuntu images? they have a script to copy themselfs to the emmc. maybe a way to revive your bbb
Nov 13 01:20:22 <jgmrequel> yes
Nov 13 01:20:41 <jgmrequel> I tried angstrom, ubuntu 12 and 13, debian
Nov 13 01:20:47 * vagrantc presumes the published images got that right, unless they're relying on the eMMC's copy of the MLO
Nov 13 01:21:05 <ragnar76> another way could be, you install the cygwin system and use "dd"
Nov 13 01:21:21 <jgmrequel> I have that
Nov 13 01:22:57 <ragnar76> go to the shop you have bought it and change it ;)
Nov 13 01:24:03 <jgmrequel> bought it online, and they are sold out of replacements
Nov 13 01:25:10 <ragnar76> you lucky one :(
Nov 13 01:26:07 <jgmrequel> not the word I'd use
Nov 13 01:28:58 <ragnar76> half past two, going to bed now
Nov 13 01:29:02 <ragnar76> gn8
Nov 13 01:29:12 <jgmrequel> kk, thx for the help
Nov 13 01:29:17 <ragnar76> np
Nov 13 01:40:51 <jpfau> is there a distro I can get for the BeagleBone Black (e.g. Debian) that has HDMI audio known working? I can't get it working in 3.12 under Arch
Nov 13 01:40:59 <jpfau> it doesn't seem to have the right drivers
Nov 13 01:41:18 <jpfau> furthermore, the PVR-SGX drivers don't work on 3.12 either. I'm considering just downgrading my kernel.
Nov 13 02:01:37 <Tenkawa> so.. anyone running android on their bbb?
Nov 13 02:42:07 <jonpry> http://imgur.com/QFWt4hZ
Nov 13 02:48:16 <alan_o> jonpry: looks good. your design?
Nov 13 02:48:38 <jonpry> yeah, dual parallel port
Nov 13 02:50:10 <ds2> bah.... everyone and their dog is doing that
Nov 13 02:52:39 <jonpry> yeah but mine is better :p
Nov 13 02:56:59 <ds2> just build a new board :P
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