**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 02 02:59:58 2013 Dec 02 03:06:11 Dr{Who}: and where is there UART2 ?all booting is done from UART0, only SPL/U-Boot do it on other UARTS cuz cannot overwrite console one Dec 02 08:30:43 While conrad hasn't gotten back to me they put 13 december instead of 30 on the product page now Dec 02 08:30:49 which is somewhat an improvement Dec 02 08:38:52 hi! Dec 02 08:41:17 hi mrpackethead what is your background? Dec 02 08:58:36 teal Dec 02 08:58:41 of course Dec 02 09:01:00 and orange ? Dec 02 09:40:08 hi do you know a Wifi Dongle Access Point with Driver Linux and low cost? Dec 02 09:43:54 Hmmm... anyone knows what fill rate the BBB can devlier? Dec 02 09:44:22 I noted 0.2Gpixel/s on a piece of paper, but wiki states 0.5GPixel/s Dec 02 09:46:19 fill rate? Dec 02 09:46:30 with the missing sgx driver? Dec 02 09:46:35 also, who cares Dec 02 09:46:43 * Kernle cares >.< Dec 02 09:47:16 Also - the Android stuff I'm compiling atm should have SGXs support.. according to roboat. Dec 02 09:47:19 *rowboat Dec 02 09:56:28 Also... the way I calculate, 200mPixel/s should be enough to render a nice 720p image, right? :S Dec 02 09:57:30 hi in my project i need connect in wireless 3 device to BBB http://imageshack.com/a/img41/227/bpm7.jpg. I need a usb dongle for this.. do you can advise me for one? Dec 02 11:18:28 hi Dec 02 11:36:07 I have a bealgboard xm whose serial port (DB9) is bendded and I cannot get any output on the terminal from that port, however, if I connect a screen through the hdmi I get the shell prompt, so the board is still working. Is there a way to connect the board via different interface? Dec 02 11:43:04 rmsak: ssh? Dec 02 11:47:34 jackmitchell,thanks , is it possible to connect to a beagleboard-xm through the mini usb interface like beagleboard allows? Dec 02 11:49:53 rmsak: I'm not sure, I don't think so, but google will tell you more. Dec 02 11:58:46 hi everyone! has anyone got sgx drivers working on a beaglebone running debian with 3.8.13 kernel or higher? Dec 02 12:07:36 fedlap: no, but we have had many people asking ;) Dec 02 12:11:43 anybody here got s ps4? Dec 02 12:12:34 anyone have the sgx drivers running on a ps4? Dec 02 12:12:56 anyone got a gold bar for me? Dec 02 12:13:27 are u guys making fun of my question??? ;D Dec 02 12:13:43 KotH: i could offer an inanimate carbon rod Dec 02 12:13:48 seriously anybody got a ps4 Dec 02 12:14:23 LetoThe2nd: i'd take that too Dec 02 12:14:30 LetoThe2nd: could replace a couple of people here at work Dec 02 12:14:43 KotH: ++ Dec 02 12:14:47 somesomething: seriously, do you expect a lot of gamers in a geek channel like this? Dec 02 12:15:02 fedlap: SGX drivers are permanently filed under WONTFIX Dec 02 12:16:31 k, thanks for the info....so what would be the best approach to have a desktop environment run less "laggy" on a beaglebone? ;) Dec 02 12:16:33 KotH: kinda Dec 02 12:17:16 fedlap: use a 2D only desktop, SGX is for 3G stuff anyway Dec 02 12:17:50 fedlap: not-so-serious answer: s/desktop environment/terminal multiplexer/g - more-serious answer - use a DE with slim runtime footprint. Dec 02 12:18:03 openbox or such. Dec 02 12:18:17 i'm using lxde right now....too heavy`? Dec 02 12:18:32 XorA, ooh, so i cant send SMS from my beaglebone without the graphics drivers ? thats evil !!! Dec 02 12:18:38 depends on what you are doing with it. Dec 02 12:19:19 i need to run a java application with gui. but with lxde it feels very uncomfortable to operate ;) Dec 02 12:19:42 fedlap: i wou,ld blame the java application, then. Dec 02 12:20:24 pure lxde is basically openbox with some minimal gizmos, which should be *mostly* fine. Dec 02 12:20:39 fedlap: more serious answer: dont use a desktop environment, but just plain X Dec 02 12:20:48 fedlap: nothing beats that for speed and memory Dec 02 12:20:56 thanks KotH, thats an answer :) Dec 02 12:21:11 KotH: my X-to-aalib server will beat it! Dec 02 12:21:42 LetoThe2nd: aalib isnt that fast ;) Dec 02 12:21:58 hrhrhr Dec 02 12:22:59 guess i will have to use libcaca then. Dec 02 12:23:15 that's faster, but still not fast ;) Dec 02 12:24:04 KotH: i really hate it when you destroy my monday illusions. Dec 02 12:24:44 monday? which monday? Dec 02 12:24:45 the reason i asked for sgx was that i followed a conversion with robert c nelson discussing about it and that it may improve fluentness of lxde Dec 02 12:24:49 i thought it was friday? Dec 02 12:24:59 fryed monday. Dec 02 12:25:01 but that conversion stopped a month ago Dec 02 12:25:32 fedlap: SGX will make everything super fluent. Dec 02 12:25:51 even the flux capacitor! Dec 02 12:26:11 maybe even super-fluous! Dec 02 12:26:55 hm can we claim to be rpi-compatible once we have a sgx blob that boots the main cpu? Dec 02 12:27:22 heh Dec 02 12:32:40 your SGX will forever be a distance second to the power of the Videocore 4 Dec 02 12:32:47 distant, even Dec 02 12:32:51 lol Dec 02 12:43:21 I am getting resource temporary unavailable when I tried to read ADC pins from BeagleBone Black Dec 02 12:43:37 pastebin link : http://pastebin.com/bJPGy1vu Dec 02 12:43:58 What might be the reason for the error ? Dec 02 12:45:26 The ADC pins AIN0 to AIN5 are connected to thermistors and the actual voltage at the ADC pins is around 0.77 volt Dec 02 13:07:45 help Dec 02 13:08:06 me Dec 02 13:08:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUncwY4SBOA Dec 02 13:08:52 i have an ssh connection to BBB but id do not get a nice green tick when looking at the 192.168.7.2 url on firefox Dec 02 13:09:17 matt34: you need to use a green monochrome crt screen Dec 02 13:09:17 i can also not install packages over the enhernet Dec 02 13:09:45 however i can ssh in on both usb and eth adresses Dec 02 13:10:05 Koth that would do the trick; thanks Dec 02 13:11:15 ? Dec 02 13:12:00 matt34: what is actually your problem? Dec 02 13:12:31 i literaly turned it on this morning so bear with me Dec 02 13:13:08 no bears allowed in this channel ;) Dec 02 13:14:31 as mentioned i have ssh'd into the black and have ssh connectivity. ping shows that i can see the outside world however i cannot view the embedded web browser Dec 02 13:14:44 *eth connectivity Dec 02 13:15:41 i have also tried opkg update which didn't work but i think this is broken links. tried opkg update on some live links to load adafruit python but failed Dec 02 13:16:11 what does " i cannot view the embedded web browser" mean? Dec 02 13:16:53 yes, there are problems with the angström site at the moment (they are moving from one provider to a different one) Dec 02 13:18:06 so, going through the beaglebone 'getting started guide' after downloading the drivers the third step to prove connectivity is to look at 192.168.7.2 on firefox or chrome at which point you should be presented with a webpage indicating that the board is connected, i don't get this. i get a beagle page with type the adress of your device here....which does nothing Dec 02 13:19:59 hmm Dec 02 13:20:02 * KotH has no clue Dec 02 13:20:03 ok the update isn't much of a problem it's the dafaruit python api that's interesting. it should work on the shipped with version of angstrom. however my opkg update / install indicates it isn't seeing the site whereas a browser does Dec 02 13:20:24 shall i dump? Dec 02 13:20:30 ;-) Dec 02 13:21:01 this is my cmd 'opkg update && opkg install python-pip python-setuptools python-smbus' Dec 02 13:21:37 use pastebin Dec 02 13:22:03 a result 'http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/v2012.12/ipk/eglibc/armv7a-vfp-neon/base/Packages.gz.' Dec 02 13:22:16 another result opkg_download: Failed to download http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/v2012.12/ipk/eglibc/all/Packages.gz, wget returned 1. Dec 02 13:25:28 matt34: what does ping feeds.angstrom-distribution.org give you? Dec 02 13:26:24 a delay of 205ms on average, so all good Dec 02 13:27:32 when trying to connect with opkg cmd, the error indicates connection refused to remote host Dec 02 13:27:59 from the bbb? Dec 02 13:28:05 matt34: don't use angstrom, use something else like: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian ;) Dec 02 13:28:10 yup form the bbb Dec 02 13:28:51 * KotH does not know the answer to that Dec 02 13:29:00 ask someone who has a bbb and/or uses angström :) Dec 02 13:29:02 looking at 140.211.169.161 on browser the file structure doesn't match what opkg is looking for Dec 02 13:30:01 fgh Dec 02 13:32:41 i can see the files that i need on a win os browser, how might I download the files form this location into the BB fom th linux script? Dec 02 13:33:19 matt34: angstrom is just a pain in the ***, i strongly recommend you to use any other distro (like ubuntu or debian). you can find ready made images to flash on your mmc here: http://www.armhf.com/ Dec 02 13:35:53 My intended use for the BBB is for industrial control & monitoring, extensions of the adafruit examples and i would like to use the adafruit library for python as it seems easy to use. Would a change of linux affect this? Dec 02 13:39:10 don't think so. debian has other obstacles. Dec 02 13:39:15 it shouldn't, but i am not familiar with python ;) but as far as i know, a python library doesnt care about the distro you're using Dec 02 13:40:49 ok thanks. If debian has other issues would ubunut be a good start? Dec 02 13:41:12 ubuntu Dec 02 13:41:23 same thing, other wording. Dec 02 13:41:31 ok Dec 02 13:41:58 debian/angstrom/ubuntu all have their polished areas, and their obstacles. use whatever you deem best, and what you feel most comfortable with. Dec 02 13:42:21 clean slate here, so it's all quite uncomfortable Dec 02 13:43:11 matt34: LFS!!!! :) Dec 02 13:43:28 This URL works on my PC, http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/v2012.12/ipk/eglibc/all/Packages.gz Dec 02 13:43:45 matt34: are you powering the BB over usb? Dec 02 13:43:58 BBB is over USB Dec 02 13:44:02 power Dec 02 13:44:19 crofton it works on my pc too but not from BBB Dec 02 13:44:31 matt34: try using a power supply. Dec 02 13:44:44 power over usb ofter has nice side-effects. Dec 02 13:46:01 really? I'll have a go but it would be v strange for the a 'refused connection' error to come pack beacuse of power limitations. It's almost like the BBB is sending a request which is being blocked Dec 02 13:46:29 not really because of power limitation, but because of polishing for usb networking, for example. Dec 02 13:46:49 so you suggest having no usb connection ata ll? Dec 02 13:46:58 where did i say that? Dec 02 13:47:13 im wasn't sure hence the clarification Dec 02 13:47:24 but AFAIK the discriminator for turning on those polishing features is the power source. Dec 02 13:47:47 ok, worth a try, and the 10 min walk to get to the lab Dec 02 13:47:55 basically its just the defaults for gateway/dns and stuff. Dec 02 13:48:01 * ogra_ notes that LetoThe2nd seems to have his polish monday today ... Dec 02 13:48:18 ogra_: shall i polish my polnisch? Dec 02 13:48:36 ask hrw :) Dec 02 13:48:45 LetoThe2nd: das klingt versaut! Dec 02 13:48:50 thanks in advance, im off to give it a go Dec 02 13:48:55 KotH, lol Dec 02 14:31:56 yo beaglers Dec 02 14:40:52 hii Dec 02 14:41:52 Could someone please tell me how best to connect to an insecure laptop to get a file please? I read somewhere that SSH runs differently on BBB, like dropbear has problems out of the box... Dec 02 14:42:03 can any one suggest me the link for linux kernel,uboot,rootfs and toolchain for beaglebone black Dec 02 14:43:56 boneshaker: what has that question to do with beagle? Dec 02 14:44:12 bikash: there are tons of toolchains out there Dec 02 14:44:18 bikash: there is not one size fits all Dec 02 14:44:35 bikash: look at angström, buildroot, t3 and all those others Dec 02 14:45:02 sorry, i meant connect from an insecure laptop, like grab some of my own php/perl stuff to use on teh beaglebone Dec 02 14:45:04 can u please, post the link here Dec 02 14:45:36 bikash: can you please use google like everyone else instead of wasting other peoples time? Dec 02 14:45:42 boneshaker: hmm.. scp? Dec 02 14:45:45 aargh...no,..connect to the laptop from the beaglebone, rather than the other way round. Dec 02 14:45:54 boneshaker: if your laptop is insecure, why do you use it? ;) Dec 02 14:45:56 Thanks KotH, I'll google it Dec 02 14:46:08 boneshaker: ah.. ok Dec 02 14:46:17 well, I'm leaving it for dead the second i get the stuff off 8) Dec 02 14:46:18 boneshaker: install linux on your laptop and run sshd on it ;) Dec 02 14:46:41 install monkeys connect rope Dec 02 14:46:50 then you have a connection Dec 02 14:47:31 I got linux on laptop, KotH, but the laptop is probably weirdly rooted (wifi card out, no apparent bluetooth, infrared window munged up with masking tape...) Dec 02 14:47:50 boneshaker: wtf? Dec 02 14:47:53 I don't see the problem Dec 02 14:47:55 honestly Dec 02 14:48:13 there is no such thing as an insecure laptop, unless you left it at a starbucks Dec 02 14:48:36 somesomething: assume all laptops that you havent installed and secured yourself as insecure ;) Dec 02 14:49:15 assume all hardware you haven't made yourself is insecure too Dec 02 14:49:27 can't use proprietary chips Dec 02 14:49:39 also be aware of self referencing compilers Dec 02 14:49:45 can't trust anything anymore these days Dec 02 14:49:57 can trust the bbb out of the box, right? Dec 02 14:50:07 you can't even trust your mom anymore Dec 02 14:50:13 Koth: I am sorry, if I have wasted someone's time, but I asked because I tried with the steps in this link, http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone, but the board is not booting, I am not able to see any log in the console, I thought, it's boot args problrm, ut the ttyo0 was also configured correctly, the board glows 4 leds and keps glowing only, doesn't blink or nothing, all 4 glows continously Dec 02 14:51:46 bikash: you have connected a serial2usb cable? Dec 02 14:53:39 yes, I have connected the usb-usb mini cable and usb powered, I tested with 5v supply also suspecting the power issue, still same issue Dec 02 14:54:02 bikash: not the usb connector, you need a serial to usb converter to access the console of the bbb Dec 02 14:55:45 I am able to get log in console with the prebuilt linux image Dec 02 14:55:58 via serial or other? Dec 02 14:57:19 bikash: get a serial2usb cable and connect it to J1 Dec 02 14:59:09 can I initiate scp from the BBB? Or would it have to be done from the laptop? Dec 02 14:59:40 it can be eiter way Dec 02 14:59:46 or the other way around Dec 02 14:59:49 boneshaker: you can do it both ways Dec 02 14:59:58 or what KotH says Dec 02 14:59:59 Ideally I want a secure conn locked down on the BBB side so I can be sure only the requested file...oh great..thanks Dec 02 14:59:59 boneshaker: one is the client side and the other side has to run sshd Dec 02 15:00:29 boneshaker: google for ssh and how it works Dec 02 15:00:47 boneshaker: scp is just cp plus some magic over ssh Dec 02 15:01:16 I think I ended up using a combineation of scp and ssh when i set it up from the laptop, with the laptop in control Dec 02 15:01:32 ssh in, scp to send files to the BBB Dec 02 15:03:01 then I wanted to do things from the BBB, with the laptop dutifully obeying and nothing else, but all the tutos were sshing TO the BBB, not from it, with a load of people saying dropbear was tricky, etc...now I'm looking again... Dec 02 15:03:40 Am I wrong in thinking ssh keeps one machine more secure than the other? Dec 02 15:12:38 depends on your definition of secure Dec 02 15:12:51 security is relative, and there are lots of components involved Dec 02 15:13:14 claiming that one system is more secure than another is mostly BS^2 if you dont know exactly what's running on each of them Dec 02 15:14:04 well I very much need something secure enough to let me program unimpeded...if the bad guys can get at it I'd want at least to know if they did anything to mess it up Dec 02 15:14:25 that's why I'm keen to swap everything over to the BBB asap Dec 02 15:14:33 uh.. Dec 02 15:14:36 paranoia? Dec 02 15:14:48 yes Dec 02 15:15:04 thank god its not päränöiä. Dec 02 15:15:34 i can hook those up once i get to grips with networking for more crunch...paranoia? well my laptop sure does jam up at inconvenient moments...usually around the IE optimisations Dec 02 15:16:09 or after two or three good hours of coding, etc ,etc Dec 02 15:16:17 and thats because? Dec 02 15:17:03 getting too warm? too little RAM? not knowing enough about filesystem behind the scenes? who knows? Dec 02 15:17:20 ah, not because of security Dec 02 15:17:39 well, slow laptop not really a problem if it's secure... Dec 02 15:18:06 got plenty of patience if I know I'm going in the right direction ;) Dec 02 15:18:36 is SSH as simple as here - http://slyd3.wordpress.com/ Dec 02 15:18:38 what exactly are you scared about ? someone changing yur local sourcecode ? Dec 02 15:19:06 I think I might have been making a mountain out of a molehill for dropbear..different daemon, same commands? Dec 02 15:19:31 boneshaker: https://www.google.com/search?q=ssh+tutorial Dec 02 15:19:40 boneshaker: https://www.google.com/search?q=ssh+introduction Dec 02 15:20:29 amongst other things, yes...blowing the drive as a project nears completion...stopping it reading USB sticks by default...putting IO errors onto back up disks... Dec 02 15:20:45 thanks for the links. Dec 02 15:22:56 that should get me there...http://support.suso.com/supki/SSH_Tutorial_for_Linux...thanks guys, quantum leap time. Dec 02 16:38:03 Hi, I am trying to connect an autopilot board to beagle board. Just wondering how can I connect another embedded system to beagle board? Dec 02 16:40:44 via the gpio? Dec 02 16:42:09 it has serial port and usb port on it but I am just wondering what else do I need to do to make it to talk to autopilot. I mean do I need to make changes to the registry. Dec 02 16:42:28 Is there any document or wiki page that explains how to talk to another embedded system using beagle board? Dec 02 16:43:00 serial, i2c, spi... it all depends on the other system. Dec 02 16:43:46 oh ok, so may be I need to read more about the other system then. Thanks for your help! Dec 02 16:47:08 Duh... I'm stuck with exactly that problem this guy has. Anyone has an idea what is going on? https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rowboat/LDoNSrCQS8g/auQt4yYvK3UJ Dec 02 18:54:12 any1 got any info on why im keeping getting error while trying to compile angstrom distribution from bitbake. Got error in python-numpy-1.4.1 when building the cloud9-image Dec 02 19:58:16 hello! i was wondering if anyone could help me access the GPIO without root access? So far I've only been able to change GPIO values in C++ using root access, but wuithout root access, I am not able to access the kernel layer and thus cannot write to the pin Dec 02 20:21:46 phase1: Use sysfs. Dec 02 20:54:06 Hmm... hours later, same problem with my bbb android image :S Dec 02 21:08:02 Kernle: what is wrong with it ? Dec 02 21:12:52 It won't boot. And I have no clue why :S Dec 02 21:14:16 I compiled according to this (https://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/JellybeanOnBeaglebone_WithSGX and yes, i took the bbb hint at the bottom). And now the image just wont boot. Dec 02 21:14:37 The BBB flashes its LEDs, and then goes completely dark. Even no HB. Dec 02 21:16:46 Kernle: is there output on the serial console? Dec 02 21:17:56 carpman: Nope... i think I should attach it then Dec 02 21:18:35 <_av500_> no, leaveit just on your desk Dec 02 21:18:41 <_av500_> that already helps Dec 02 21:18:59 * Kernle throws a spare BBB at _av500_ Dec 02 21:35:36 agmlego: i did some reseach about sysfs, and is this is the correct way to export? echo 60 > /sys/class/gpio/export. i still get a premission denied Dec 02 21:36:43 That seems like the correct way. I do not use it myself. Dec 02 21:37:07 If you are getting permission denied, then your user does not have permissions to access those files. Try fixing that. Dec 02 21:37:20 Maybe you need to add your user to a groiup, or something like that. Dec 02 21:42:41 probably needs to run as root Dec 02 21:42:54 vagrantc_: TO talk with sysfs? I think not. Dec 02 21:43:11 to write to files? Dec 02 21:43:34 TO write to sysfs files. Dec 02 21:43:47 I am pretty sure there is a sysfs group your user can be a member of. Dec 02 21:43:58 But again, I do not ever directly use sysfs, so... Dec 02 21:44:02 YMMV. Dec 02 21:44:04 guess it depends on the distro Dec 02 21:45:23 Ayup. Dec 02 21:45:31 i'm using ubuntu if that matters Dec 02 21:45:45 It does. Dec 02 22:48:17 tricky quick question: beaglebone 3.8.13 / (Black) / I can't find omapdss, just omapfb, why is that? trying to hook up an external display. Anyone got an idea why this omapdss folder is not available on my distribution? Dec 02 22:48:52 <_av500_> stuff changed Dec 02 22:49:23 <_av500_> you have to use DT now to tell the kernel about your display Dec 02 22:49:49 DT, huh, interesting, gotta read up for a sec... Dec 02 22:50:24 I basically built this HDMI>DVI-D>VGA adapter: http://www.linusakesson.net/hardware/beagleboard/vga.php Dec 02 22:50:49 and it was original made for the first beaglebone, barely anyone seems to get it up and running for the BBB, although it'd be a valuable gadget to have Dec 02 22:55:48 but, if I go back to an earlier image, I could still use the oampdss stuff, I'd assume Dec 02 22:59:53 <_av500_> yes Dec 02 23:00:06 <_av500_> though there are no "earlier" images for the BBB Dec 02 23:00:55 oh, damn. man, this is tricky. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 03 02:59:58 2013