**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 06 02:59:58 2013 Dec 06 03:41:07 Does the Beaglebone black have a regulator on board? I don't have a 5V supply and I am flashing the emmc Dec 06 03:41:14 Can I do it using USB? Dec 06 03:51:37 I have a question, I was ponwering my beagle with the computer port and after running code the led just blinks and its out Dec 06 03:51:42 any ideas? Dec 06 03:55:10 Okay, I tried to flash the emmc and the leds are not blinking Dec 06 05:01:35 hi Dec 06 10:21:33 Are there any plans to create a single u-boot for the different boards ? Dec 06 10:27:26 not really Dec 06 10:27:28 why? Dec 06 10:35:18 because of the device tree and such. the Linux kernel (and MINIX) will now boot on all beagle hardware but you still need a different image to flash Dec 06 10:36:46 the u-boot env between the bones and the beaglboard are also quite different currently Dec 06 10:36:58 is there an angstrom minix ? Dec 06 10:38:39 no angstrom minix, but minix's as we are using netbsd's ports that will provide us software Dec 06 10:40:42 but.... might be interesting. is there an angstrom/netbsd? Dec 06 10:41:16 it doesn't look like Dec 06 10:50:12 keesj_: the problem is that the bootloader has to initialize the hardware Dec 06 10:50:26 keesj_: this is inherently hardware specific... for obvious reasons ;) Dec 06 10:51:03 keesj_: DT does not help there, no matter what the DT zealots tell you, because u-boot does not interpret DT Dec 06 10:51:28 keesj_: and quite frankly, i dont see a point in having a grand unified u-boot Dec 06 10:52:14 given the DT work they have been doing I can't image it is goig to take long before the start using it. Dec 06 10:52:41 I don't realy like the directin u-boot is going (integrating a that linux stuff) but still they are Dec 06 10:52:42 keesj_: DT is being phased out on the linux side already. being replaced by ACPI Dec 06 10:52:57 O... I missed that Dec 06 10:53:03 well, u-boot's main user is linux Dec 06 10:53:16 if you want to change that, you have to participate in u-boot development Dec 06 10:53:31 I don't really no :P Dec 06 10:53:57 Well it might be fun Dec 06 10:54:10 lol Dec 06 10:54:13 KotH, wut? Dec 06 10:54:39 :-) Dec 06 10:54:46 nice troll Dec 06 10:56:21 I my Linux time we still had someting like that, was it acpi emulation for battery status? Dec 06 10:56:27 In Dec 06 11:01:11 keesj_, you know KotH is a troll right? Dec 06 11:01:58 keesj_: keesj_, you know panto is a troll right? Dec 06 11:02:07 I know there is a troll thingy going on on this channel Dec 06 11:03:04 well.. that's hardly surprising in a channel where half the people are trolls and the other half leave after telling about their "doubts" Dec 06 11:03:41 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/161 Dec 06 11:05:58 what about the half that gets send by their professors to do their homework here ? Dec 06 11:06:14 they have doubts too Dec 06 11:06:25 heh, true Dec 06 11:13:55 I've met KotH he is too young to be a curmudgeon Dec 06 11:14:35 Crofton|work: why should i be one anyways? Dec 06 11:18:48 is there any HDMI specialist online? I am getting crazy with bbb hdmi.... Dec 06 11:21:05 is the anyone who got bbb hdmi to work properly? Dec 06 11:24:32 yes Dec 06 11:24:35 it works here Dec 06 11:24:50 but I did nothing "special" Dec 06 11:26:28 besides sacrificing a chicken, of course! Dec 06 11:28:24 ssshhh Dec 06 11:35:16 hello folks ! was wondering if the rowboat accessory development kit http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/AccessoryDevKit works on the beaglebone black too ?? Dec 06 11:35:26 anyone have any experience with this ? Dec 06 11:36:02 it should work Dec 06 11:36:08 black and white are the same in that regard Dec 06 11:37:03 av500: thanks ! Dec 06 11:38:09 just saw the issues page and wiki and it's not been updated in quite some time.. it's an interesting project though. av500 you know of any similar projects ? Dec 06 11:53:19 is the anyone who got bbb hdmi to work properly? Dec 06 11:53:24 again ... sry Dec 06 11:55:26 after power off there is no screen...monitor will be detected...after this occurs i have to boot withour HDI con the plug the HDMI con and reboot again. after this procedure HDMI will work......until next power down....any suggestions? Dec 06 11:56:29 a am using a HDMI2DVID Adapter Dec 06 12:02:06 acb1: you need to sacrifice chicken Dec 06 12:02:14 acb1: if that doesnt help, use a virgin chicken Dec 06 12:13:18 acb1: sorry, no idea, it just worked for me Dec 06 12:23:55 (tm) Dec 06 13:09:00 so we got a CV from an intern, and it's like "C, ASM, VHDL, JAVA" Dec 06 13:09:20 so I say "if he knew C he wouldn't put Java on the same line" Dec 06 13:09:30 my peers seem to agree Dec 06 13:09:58 hehe Dec 06 13:10:06 i list java in my cv as well Dec 06 13:10:13 but not on the same line ;) Dec 06 13:12:15 (we're still looking for interns, Frenchies from Paris may PM me) Dec 06 13:13:36 only from Paris Dec 06 13:13:39 how rude Dec 06 13:13:51 das: did you buy new speakers? Dec 06 13:14:01 I'm afraid Strasburg is a bit far Dec 06 13:14:17 no kids from banlieu? Dec 06 13:14:24 av500: yeah I got a Denon amp + Focal speakers Dec 06 13:14:46 around Paris is fine too ofc ;) Dec 06 13:14:56 git a hold of that pdf you mentioned ? Dec 06 13:15:31 er yes, check your logs :) Dec 06 13:15:49 [16:16] das: www.jeanpierrepoulin.com/PDF/transistor.pdf‎ Dec 06 13:15:50 [16:16] its about guitar amps, but the principles are the same Dec 06 13:15:52 [16:16] for you hifi project Dec 06 13:16:05 ah thanks, great Dec 06 13:16:31 I'm still looking into that to repair the burnt one Dec 06 13:16:47 ope nit Dec 06 13:16:49 i'd feel horrible trashing 3.5kg of plastic Dec 06 13:16:49 open it Dec 06 13:16:55 follow the smell Dec 06 13:17:24 haha I did it's SMC, not smth I can fix Dec 06 13:17:32 post a pic Dec 06 13:18:12 there's at least one resistor and one µC burnt Dec 06 13:18:42 I'll post that this WE Dec 06 13:19:49 maybe Logitech would be kind enough to send me the schematics Dec 06 13:20:21 sure Dec 06 13:20:24 yeah, they will definitly do that Dec 06 13:21:47 KotH: will they also put chocolate into the box? Dec 06 13:21:55 since they are swiss Dec 06 13:22:25 they had chocolate in all boxes i got from them directly Dec 06 13:22:37 chocolate schematics ? Dec 06 14:30:40 Could someone tell me if the usb hot plug issue has been fixed? Dec 06 14:31:22 what issue? Dec 06 14:31:32 do you have link to the description of the issue? Dec 06 14:33:38 I don't know where the official issues are posted at but it occurs with the BeagleBone Black and it's well known. Dec 06 14:34:03 Basically when removing a USB device the USB Controller is disabled and wont notice any new devices being connected from thereon.. Dec 06 14:34:59 I think that it has been patched: https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/blob/master/common-bsp/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-mainline-3.8/usb/0013-usb-musb-avoid-stopping-the-session-in-host-mode.patch Dec 06 14:35:53 But I'm not sure if that has already been included in the latest image (at http://beagleboard.org/latest-images) Dec 06 14:36:05 sounds like a match..you should try it and report if it fixes the issue Dec 06 14:37:00 Sooo.. the patch that I found was not a patch in the angstrom distribution project but in some random other project? Dec 06 14:38:15 av500: FYI: tried out rowboat ADK with BBB. Didn't work. Dec 06 14:38:15 seems like a known issue https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rowboat/NFyTcMa9N_k Dec 06 14:38:38 mdp: If so than cool, I will give it a try and report back the results! Dec 06 14:39:17 But I need to be sure that I'm not doing this for nothing. Are you sure that this patch hasn't been tried by the Angstrom developers themselves already? Dec 06 14:39:37 Rick_, I have nfc what patches are included in official beagleboard.org images. you could try the latest image and see if the problem is still there though. sounds like a quick test. Dec 06 14:40:02 nfc? Dec 06 14:40:15 no fscking clue ;) Dec 06 14:40:35 but it's easy to flash the latest image and try unplugging a device as a quick verification Dec 06 14:40:37 Well I can already tell that it seems to not have been fixed yet in the latest image. Dec 06 14:40:48 bummer..but great that you tried that already Dec 06 14:41:15 you might have to dig into whether that patch is included in the builds Dec 06 14:41:32 based on the path, sure looks like it's something that would be in the beagle* 3.8 kernel Dec 06 14:41:42 I think I'm going to contact the Angstrom developers and the developers of that project which included that patch. Dec 06 14:41:45 anujdeshpande: well, stock android for BBW does not boot on BBB Dec 06 14:41:48 of course Dec 06 14:42:01 I think if you want to be bleeding edge on the kernels, it's better to run arch for example.. I could be wrong but it seems my arch installs are pretty up to date Dec 06 14:42:02 Yeah exactly Dec 06 14:42:15 Rick_, since koen left CCO it's unclear who manages the builds Dec 06 14:42:25 Well fuck.. Dec 06 14:42:47 I roll my own stuff with a mainline kernel so I'm disconnected from the official images Dec 06 14:42:50 what koen's gone? Dec 06 14:43:07 av500: it's not for the stock android thing. it was for the adk. afaik, that requires starterware only Dec 06 14:43:09 he's been at linaro for a long time now Dec 06 14:43:23 ah oh ok sorry I thought he left linaro Dec 06 14:43:29 sorry I just woke up Dec 06 14:43:33 I said, "left CCO" Dec 06 14:43:38 * mdp hands vaizki coffee Dec 06 14:43:43 Haha Dec 06 14:43:52 av500: so I need stock android on my BBB + starterware to run adk applications off android ? Dec 06 14:43:56 I have coffee. mexican coffee. con leche. Dec 06 14:44:06 I am sitting in mexico city at breakfast Dec 06 14:44:20 anujdeshpande: the ADK demo is for BBB Dec 06 14:44:22 not for BBW Dec 06 14:44:25 now I need to drink the coffee... Dec 06 14:44:32 there has been work on android on BBB Dec 06 14:44:43 so, its all doable Dec 06 14:45:19 av500: exactly. it doesn't work on BBB for me. Dec 06 14:45:19 I have tried getting android on BBB, and that works great. No issues. Dec 06 14:45:19 I was working on getting the adk demo for BBB Dec 06 14:45:54 Rick_, weird thing with that patch is I see zero indication of it being submitted upstream. Dec 06 14:46:14 That is weird... Dec 06 14:46:45 What's the date of that patch anyways.. maybe it's still in a verification process? Dec 06 14:46:51 15 May Dec 06 14:47:18 at least no indication searching for the comment string..so it could be in a completely different form Dec 06 14:47:19 That seems unlikely, the date of that patch is may 15th. Dec 06 14:47:38 yeah, only hit is the github vendor tree repo Dec 06 14:47:46 that you found Dec 06 14:48:07 anujdeshpande: so, Android works, and ADK works Dec 06 14:48:15 time to put things together :) Dec 06 14:48:23 probably lack of communication between bb.org folks and the TI USB folks Dec 06 14:48:35 Yeah that could very well be the case here.. Dec 06 14:48:37 that's never happened before ;) Dec 06 14:48:53 Maybe I should invest some time in trying it out Dec 06 14:49:23 it's possible that patch is in the build and doesn't address your issue Dec 06 14:49:50 in theory there must be a tag corresponding to the current image to verify this. Dec 06 14:50:17 Rick_, my recommendation. hammer jkridner on this. it's his responsibility. Dec 06 14:50:34 it should be made clear exactly what the source is for these builds Dec 06 14:51:08 Yes I agree. Ok I will send an email to jkridner. Dec 06 14:51:30 hmmh Dec 06 14:51:45 that patch is in robert c nelsons kernel patch set which arch uses Dec 06 14:51:50 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8/patches/usb Dec 06 14:52:07 but my arch is already up to 3.12 and in that branch the patch is gone Dec 06 14:52:23 so it might be it has somehow been mainlined? :O Dec 06 14:52:31 mainlined? Dec 06 14:52:39 Sorry, never heard of before.. Dec 06 14:52:44 or well .. in some other patch set then ;) Dec 06 14:52:49 Rick_, yeah, along those lines...rnelson's the co-maintainer of the beagleboard github repos Dec 06 14:53:45 Ok, but I'm somewhat confused as of what the situation is exactly Dec 06 14:54:49 vaizki, careful how you throw "mainline" around ;) Dec 06 14:54:55 mdp, yea sorry Dec 06 14:55:01 this 3.8 kernel musb driver is completely different from mainline Dec 06 14:55:13 linus might puke on me again Dec 06 14:55:14 and nothing of this sort is in mainline, fwiw Dec 06 14:55:16 That patch has been pushed, but at some point was removed again? Or just that information is missing about at what point it got included in the distribution? Dec 06 14:55:55 Ah mainline as in THE kernel Dec 06 14:56:37 yeah, the real kernel, not a cheap imitation product ;) Dec 06 14:56:59 Again, could the situation be clarified to me a bit? That patch has been pushed, but at some point was removed again? Or just that information is missing about at what point it got included in the distribution? Dec 06 14:57:15 Rick_, sounds like you might want to try an arch image to see if it's fixed there Dec 06 14:57:26 Rick_, which distribution? Dec 06 14:57:31 anujdeshpande: i think you just need to export the USB permissions in the android then u can make the java app talk with USB devices, at least it worked for my summer project Dec 06 14:57:33 anyway, that patch disappers from rnelsons git repo when you go 3.8 --> 3.9 Dec 06 14:57:51 in stock rowboat usb is not active as i know it Dec 06 14:57:52 so apparently it got included into something else Dec 06 14:57:53 Nevermind I'm just a bit confused mdp Dec 06 14:57:54 vaizki, there could have been a sane fix applied upstream in 3.9 Dec 06 14:57:59 yea Dec 06 14:58:29 Is 3.9 already out? Or is it in development Dec 06 14:58:29 I'd really go try whatever is being built from rnelson's repo Dec 06 14:58:38 Ok Dec 06 14:58:55 vaizki's suggestion of trying arch is very good Dec 06 14:59:23 just note that dt overlay stuff may explode when you go 3.12 :) Dec 06 14:59:35 hit that one myself Dec 06 14:59:50 ;) Dec 06 15:00:18 Haha yeah I'm gonna stay away from the 'old' device tree system Dec 06 15:01:13 from arch you can also get 3.8 by using linux-am33x-legacy Dec 06 15:01:19 and that one has the usb patches in it Dec 06 15:01:43 Really? Why's it named legacy? Dec 06 15:02:05 because arch is a bit bleeding edge ;) Dec 06 15:02:12 Haha ok cool Dec 06 15:02:24 we're at 3.12.2-1 Dec 06 15:02:38 Thanks and I'm on it Dec 06 15:02:54 Oh god damnit I've been reading 3.12 as 3.1.2 the whole time for some reason Dec 06 15:03:13 Anyways I've got to help someone brb! Dec 06 15:03:39 or at least I think the legacy one has those musb patches, let me doublecheck,.. Dec 06 15:04:18 vaizki, I noticed the arch bbb install page...and a mention of the one step eMMC install process coming soon...is that implying a plan to provide an image that uses the CCO flasher? Dec 06 15:04:33 I have no idea whatsoever Dec 06 15:04:54 arch is a bit hostile towards click-n-install Dec 06 15:05:22 if you can't set up linux on a device with the instructions provided, you're not supposed to be running arch.. or something like that ;) Dec 06 15:05:54 because it's a rolling release and everything is bleeding edge you're sure to run into a glitch or this-shit-won't-boot now and then Dec 06 15:06:10 av500: true that :) Dec 06 15:06:22 and if you don't know linux beyond clicking next--> in a wizard, you're going to be really out of luck Dec 06 15:07:01 yeah, not an issue here ;) just curious Dec 06 15:07:14 vvu|Log: thanks ! I figured we can do it like that because i'd tried out your gsoc apk before. but i was/am on using the adk. so that i can have arduino too i guess. Dec 06 15:08:17 mdp, I installed my arch systems by booting stock angström from emmc, then writing an arch install on uSD with usb reader, booted that usd and then copied the install to emmc Dec 06 15:08:21 ADK is different Dec 06 15:08:30 I don't even know what the official arch bbb instructions are Dec 06 15:08:42 maybe I should go check before I tell people to use it :D Dec 06 15:08:46 vaizki, that's what the #exactsteps say on the arch BBB page, yeah Dec 06 15:09:35 ah ok Dec 06 15:09:44 but I guess they assume you have a linux pc on which to do it Dec 06 15:10:14 doing it on the bbb itself is the same really but just more fun ;) Dec 06 15:10:41 av500: adk is a right ? Dec 06 15:10:51 a reference implementation, to be precise Dec 06 15:11:42 * anujdeshpande is confused about adk now.. Dec 06 15:13:03 AOA protocol should be read it seems. Dec 06 15:15:54 jkridner: do you know if Android Open Accessory protocol / ADK has been implemented for the BBB ? the rowboat version seems to work only on BBW Dec 06 15:16:15 should run just fine. Not sure if there is a specific port. Dec 06 15:16:35 Rick_, there he is. ambush. Dec 06 15:16:41 you could probably ping Khasim @ Linaro or Prabu @ TI ---- or I can. I think the Rowboat mailing list is also a great place to ping about it. Dec 06 15:16:47 mdp: hehe Dec 06 15:17:39 khasim is busy, don't bother him ;) Dec 06 15:17:44 jkridner: the instruction on the rowboat wiki failed for me,also tried out the mailing list and there was a recent post on rowboat ml where it didn't work on the black, worked on the white. Dec 06 15:17:44 i'll try pinging khasim/prabhu and find out Dec 06 15:17:46 hehe Dec 06 15:17:50 prabhu it is then :) Dec 06 15:21:04 anujdeshpande, j/k Dec 06 15:21:31 :) Dec 06 15:42:17 Back Dec 06 15:42:27 And I just missed jkridner :/ Dec 06 15:43:25 hi Rick_ Dec 06 15:43:35 I'm back, for the moment Dec 06 15:43:37 Oh you're not gone, great! Dec 06 15:43:51 in a meeting in Ann Arbor Dec 06 15:44:34 jkridner: this patch: https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/blob/master/common-bsp/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-mainline-3.8/usb/0013-usb-musb-avoid-stopping-the-session-in-host-mode.patch Dec 06 15:45:06 Do you know if it has been included in the current Angstrom release? Dec 06 15:47:12 Should be. It was in the repo much before the 9/4 release anyway. Dec 06 15:47:24 are you talking about the 9/4 release as being the current one? Dec 06 15:47:58 calculus: you around? Dec 06 15:48:02 I'm talking about the latest image (http://beagleboard.org/latest-images) Dec 06 15:48:11 oh, no, not that one. :( Dec 06 15:48:21 at least I don't think so.... Dec 06 15:48:26 Wait.. the images there are actually not up to date? Dec 06 15:48:57 yeah. Guess I should go ahead and update it, but I didn't like some of the regressions in the latest images. :( Dec 06 15:49:24 Because if so that would explain A LOT. I'm having USB hot plugging issues right now that I wasn't having 2 weeks ago before I reinstalled Angstrom Dec 06 15:49:38 Hm ok fair enough Dec 06 15:49:42 I'm going to go ahead and bite the bullet and update it on that page. :( Dec 06 15:50:02 Or Dec 06 15:50:49 Do something like a stable version - that is the images that are there right now (but please do give a warning about the USB hot plugging issue), and the up to date images Dec 06 15:52:40 Is that a good sollution? Dec 06 15:53:24 * jkridner updated http://beagleboard.org/latest-images Dec 06 15:54:19 Rick_: I don't understand the question. Dec 06 15:54:24 what exactly were the regressions? Dec 06 15:55:57 Well if you think that the 9-4 image is for some reason not superb why not provide both the 9-4 image and the image that was previously on the page. Dec 06 15:57:15 the old image is around, but I don't want to confuse people too much about what they should use. I could call it stable, but that really doesn't address the particular regressions. Dec 06 15:57:27 I think this is fine. Dec 06 15:57:31 Alike Ubuntu's stable x.04 releases and .10 newest technology releases Dec 06 15:57:32 Rick_: thanks for the thoughts. Dec 06 15:57:56 the 9/4 release isn't really a bleeding edge thing. Dec 06 15:58:01 Ok sure Dec 06 15:58:28 Then whatever Dec 06 15:58:36 Thanks for the help people Dec 06 15:58:47 come over to the arch side rick... ;) Dec 06 15:58:51 I will test the 9/4 release next thursday Dec 06 15:59:00 But I am already vaizki, with my Raspberry Pi Dec 06 15:59:06 ah Dec 06 15:59:15 This is for a school project Dec 06 16:00:10 Anyways Dec 06 16:00:48 I'm going home, again thanks! And I will report back if I can hot plug a USB device thursday! Dec 06 16:01:06 Have a great weekend :) Dec 06 16:04:56 anyone here have any updates about production status of new bbb boards? every shop in Poland I asked told me that there are no boards... :-C Dec 06 16:21:09 bzyx: watterott has them at least Dec 06 16:29:14 vaizki: thanks :) i will look at them Dec 06 16:30:23 I've bought mine from Tigal but they're saying stock only after christmas Dec 06 16:31:14 the one's that i asked in poland said after 20.12 or end of December Dec 06 16:59:04 ok so i can confirm watterott is still selling them Dec 06 18:08:50 Hi Guys Dec 06 18:09:19 It is my first time in this Chat service Dec 06 18:09:20 Hello Dec 06 18:09:39 Welcome Dec 06 18:09:42 I don't know what are the rules of this chat room and hope I don't break any rule :) Dec 06 18:09:52 Thanks SyNko Dec 06 18:10:01 I have one question about beagle bone black Dec 06 18:10:10 the rule is: never ask to ask, just ask Dec 06 18:10:20 you broken a rule! Dec 06 18:10:27 brke Dec 06 18:10:30 *brake Dec 06 18:10:34 :) Dec 06 18:10:36 go on Dec 06 18:11:03 Oh Ok.. I purchased one beagle bone black last night.. I took the steps and trying to reach it 192.168.7.2 .. but no success Dec 06 18:11:15 I have it connected to my pc (Windows 7) via USB Dec 06 18:11:28 and also installed the required driver from website Dec 06 18:11:43 how many driver you got? Dec 06 18:11:58 One , from the website for 64 bits windows 7 Dec 06 18:12:14 gimme one minutes Dec 06 18:12:21 Thanks! Dec 06 18:15:12 IMHO you need to run additional software Dec 06 18:15:26 DX_: ^^^ Dec 06 18:16:07 What software? Actually I've downloaded one software named beagle bone getting started Dec 06 18:16:24 and it didn't work for me either Dec 06 18:16:34 the software in the beagle bone Dec 06 18:16:55 if i remember correctly you need to run a kind of bat file Dec 06 18:17:02 ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww windows Dec 06 18:17:05 into the FAT32 share of the BBBB Dec 06 18:17:14 is not so difficult Dec 06 18:17:26 How can I get that? nothing was mentioned on the website Dec 06 18:17:28 is like the only exe bat in the share Dec 06 18:17:56 is not mentioned IMHO cause should be auto run mode of the usb share Dec 06 18:18:11 but like me i need to run manually Dec 06 18:18:19 search in the dirs Dec 06 18:20:07 Sorry I had to re-join the chat, I wasn't able to type anymore Dec 06 18:20:21 no probs Dec 06 18:20:23 So I gotta search IMHO in dirs?! Dec 06 18:20:25 [19:17] SyNko is like the only exe bat in the share Dec 06 18:20:27 [19:17] SyNko is not mentioned IMHO cause should be auto run mode of the usb share Dec 06 18:20:28 [19:18] SyNko but like me i need to run manually Dec 06 18:20:30 [19:18] SyNko search in the dirs Dec 06 18:20:51 IMHO is In my hopinion Dec 06 18:21:12 search for exe files or bat Dec 06 18:21:32 Let me check please Dec 06 18:21:36 ok Dec 06 18:23:19 No luck.. Dec 06 18:23:42 What dir or folder I should be looking in? Dec 06 18:23:45 which distro have you installed? Dec 06 18:23:59 the folders of the FAT32 share Dec 06 18:24:03 of the BBB Dec 06 18:24:59 Hi all, I have a BBB, and have got to a point where I can lite the onboard led, but when I try to fire an external relay it is not working. Dec 06 18:25:29 I have an led connected to it now.... Dec 06 18:25:34 Relay probably needs too much current? Dec 06 18:25:46 All the thing I have, is on beagle bone black I got yesterday, and have it conencted to my comptuer via USB, and installed the 64 bit version of driver on my computer.. I've no idea about distro at this time.. I'm going to install Linux later Dec 06 18:26:12 so the virtual USB should works Dec 06 18:26:17 pin 10 P8 gpio68 going to 1k resister going to base of a npn, emitter to ground and collector going to - side led Dec 06 18:26:26 +12v on + side of led Dec 06 18:26:58 echo - to value, and BAM...... nothing. Dec 06 18:27:56 get your multimeter out... Dec 06 18:27:58 you need a resistor on the LED Dec 06 18:27:58 But unfortunatlly it doesn't work Dec 06 18:28:03 or it will fry Dec 06 18:28:08 there is one allready Dec 06 18:28:17 I can't brows it from 192.168.7.2 which is the mentioned IP Dec 06 18:28:47 Dx_Dani: do you see a network interface in windows then? one with a 192.168.7.x address? Dec 06 18:28:56 my meter is at the shop. Can't check it...... Dec 06 18:28:58 if you do, then your drivers are ok Dec 06 18:29:06 now, will topmorrow, but I want it working nOW!!! Dec 06 18:29:11 hehe Dec 06 18:29:24 so connect it back to an analog input and see what's up ;) Dec 06 18:29:31 @vaizki: No.. And that's why it seems so weird to me , how I should be able to open it Dec 06 18:29:37 I can't even ping that IP Dec 06 18:29:48 And my local IP is on the other Range: 10.x.X.X Dec 06 18:30:03 resistor from 12V to LED Dec 06 18:30:38 you need: 12V - LED - COLLECTOR....EMITTER - GND Dec 06 18:30:45 Dx_Dani: ok if you don't see a new network interface then either your drivers are not working or the BBB is not booting so that the usb gadget ethernet comes up Dec 06 18:30:45 There is a resistor in the case of the led. I can attache 12vdc to it and the led will lite, had it connected this morning for 1.5 hours Dec 06 18:30:49 12V - RESISTOR - LED -... Dec 06 18:31:02 oh you are using the "special" leds Dec 06 18:31:13 n/m then Dec 06 18:31:23 normal LEDs don't have that Dec 06 18:31:35 Yeah, I know, just have some here at work. Dec 06 18:31:54 I wanted to use the led to test the outputs in place of a meter.... Dec 06 18:32:13 @vaizki: So what should I do? Do you have any suggestion? Dec 06 18:32:23 I just installed the drivers from website Dec 06 18:32:31 I'm not very good at windows sorry :P Dec 06 18:32:46 And got the BBB yesterday.. Dec 06 18:33:27 This is not rocket science, jeeZ!!!! This should work Dec 06 18:33:32 The way it wants to work is os weird... It has made the things more difficult Dec 06 18:33:50 HAve you been able to brows your BBB easilly? Dec 06 18:33:54 cat value and it is at 1 now..... That output should be on Dec 06 18:34:51 it's amazing how much easier things are with a multimeter ;) Dec 06 18:35:01 or oscilloscope... Dec 06 18:35:24 haha, yeah. how did they do it before they had meters? Dec 06 18:35:35 they used led's....hehehe Dec 06 18:35:57 using a pn2222A Dec 06 18:37:14 1K from GPIO to base of trans ok? Dec 06 18:37:59 worse case beta of the PN2222A is around 50 isn't it? Dec 06 18:38:12 BBB is 3.3V I/O so - Dec 06 18:38:30 base current is about (3.3-Vf)/1K Dec 06 18:38:45 Collector current is about 50x that Dec 06 18:39:24 that puts it around 130mA Dec 06 18:39:26 max Dec 06 18:39:50 so if you need more that that, you need more beta or more drive current but the BBB has limited drive current Dec 06 18:40:20 I am only using oit to turn on the tranny Dec 06 18:40:43 I have seperate power for VCC of led Dec 06 18:42:23 what ds2 is saying is that there's only 130mA of your separate VCC actually passing the tranny? Dec 06 18:42:56 the 20sec version of how a tranny works is - Dec 06 18:43:12 current from collector to emitter is roughly Beta * current from base to emitter Dec 06 18:43:27 the transistor will do what it can to maintain exactly that current Dec 06 18:43:51 when you use it in switching mode, you saturate (that is max out the transistor's ability to maintain that current) Dec 06 18:44:03 if you need more then that current, the transistor will limit it to just that. Dec 06 18:44:20 ok Dec 06 18:44:24 Measure Vce when it is turned on Dec 06 18:44:42 if it is more then the Vsat for that transistor, you are in the linear region...i.e. not switching but amplifying Dec 06 18:44:52 Vsat is a spec of the transistor Dec 06 18:45:18 which is 1 for the PN2222A Dec 06 18:45:44 with no minimum Dec 06 18:46:12 that doesnt make sense Dec 06 18:48:27 there is no min. Dec 06 18:48:33 1 is the worse case value Dec 06 18:49:04 ideally, you want Vsat to have no min. ever so it can infinitely maintain the current Dec 06 18:50:07 should find a led with not resistor that I cannot see.... Dec 06 18:50:43 I will put a relay on the collector of the pn2222A Dec 06 18:50:48 That should work Dec 06 18:54:50 100mA seems low for a relay Dec 06 18:55:05 probally get a darlington to drive it Dec 06 18:55:17 soem relays pull as much as 1A Dec 06 18:57:07 ok, I am just trying to get the led going first Dec 06 18:57:24 I put a 10K from gpio to base Dec 06 18:59:26 Instead of using a darlington, get them ULN2008 relay drivers. Life becomes so much easier with those Dec 06 18:59:56 or that if u got $$$ Dec 06 19:00:51 What, costs like 72 cents Dec 06 19:00:51 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ULN2803APG(O,N,HZA/ULN2803APG(ONHZA-ND/856431 Dec 06 19:01:49 I cant even get it to turn on an led.... Dec 06 19:15:05 now add the shipping costs Dec 06 19:15:16 parts on hand are always cheaper then parts you need to acquire Dec 06 19:16:03 going to try and find someone allready doing it and see what they used Dec 06 19:21:32 chaining 2 2N2222s should suffice Dec 06 19:22:04 collector to base of the other via a 1k? Dec 06 19:32:05 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlington_transistor Dec 06 19:45:44 yo, hows it going? Dec 06 19:48:05 thats not working either. maybe I will wait till I bring in my meter to see if the output is firing. Dec 06 19:57:24 maybe the mode of the pin is wrong Dec 06 20:05:56 do yall know how to set bootup modes of all the GPIO pins? Dec 06 20:06:20 <_av500_> its all in the TRM Dec 06 20:22:01 I think even in the BBB SRM Dec 06 20:45:21 hi Dec 06 20:45:31 <_av500_> jokelo Dec 06 21:07:31 hello Dec 06 21:08:13 I got a beaglebone black Dec 06 21:08:30 When I connect it to the PC via USB, nothing happens Dec 06 21:09:01 Do you think it is a bad board and I should replace it with a good one?! Dec 06 21:09:26 this sounds like pretense Dec 06 21:09:36 I connect mine with LVDS cable but it's loose. How do I make this stable ?? Dec 06 21:10:34 Any idea about a BBB that doesn't get detected by Windows at all? Dec 06 21:11:31 Should I replace it? Dec 06 21:11:53 Windows is a noble system, if it doesn't recognize something, it doesn't have a place in the universe Dec 06 21:12:58 dx Dec 06 21:13:11 I just wanted to make sure I'mk not loosing any step in troublshooting Dec 06 21:13:21 So could it be a bad cable? Or a bad BBB? Dec 06 21:13:27 this is your first time connecting the BBB to you pc? Dec 06 21:13:37 Yes Pit Dec 06 21:14:07 Does any LED turns on at least? Dec 06 21:14:28 Yes Pit Dec 06 21:14:43 Let those four LEDs are blinking Dec 06 21:14:55 not the heartbeat LED though, do you know which LED you're looking for Dec 06 21:14:57 And the other LED by AC Power input is solid Dec 06 21:15:23 It should be, that's the power LED Dec 06 21:15:29 there must be cpu activity after a short pause Dec 06 21:15:59 dx open "my pc" in your pc Dec 06 21:16:14 My PC? Dec 06 21:16:25 and see if there is the BBB device as connected Dec 06 21:16:25 yeah Dec 06 21:17:10 Pit, Nothing is shown on My computer Dec 06 21:17:20 I'm going to check device manager as well Dec 06 21:17:34 Try that Dec 06 21:17:50 or you can just install the drivers manually Dec 06 21:18:00 Nothing is shown there either Dec 06 21:18:10 I already installed the drivers from website Dec 06 21:18:18 for windows 7 64 bits Dec 06 21:18:41 Do you want me to extract the downloaded file and then run the setup.exe? Dec 06 21:19:05 yep Dec 06 21:19:33 I think even without installing the drivers it should be shown as the drivers are considered for virtual ethernet connection Dec 06 21:19:40 I'm doing mannual install Dec 06 21:20:17 Yes, it should but im sure this not always work to every computer Dec 06 21:20:23 I'm running dpinst.exe Dec 06 21:20:40 Is it the correct file Pit? Dec 06 21:21:14 I have XP and i just had to run the setup Dec 06 21:21:54 I don't have a file named Setup, but I've an exe file, which named dpinst.exe Dec 06 21:22:18 When I run it it shows all the drivers have been installed and the Status is : "Ready to use" Dec 06 21:22:44 So there you go Dec 06 21:23:02 But nothing happens Dec 06 21:23:08 It's not shown in windows explorer Dec 06 21:23:11 My computer Dec 06 21:23:15 OH! Dec 06 21:23:29 And it is not even accessble by virtual ethernet( Imeant browsing with IP) Dec 06 21:23:31 wait you mean the internet explorer as a wer browser? Dec 06 21:23:47 no , chrome and firefox Dec 06 21:24:05 the LCD backlight turns on and off with this slim LVDS cable... No display... Any help ? Dec 06 21:24:12 perfect Dec 06 21:24:25 you dont need the ethernet conection so far Dec 06 21:25:04 But it is weird for me , as how my computer should be able to open an IP like 192.168.X.X .. I was expectin to see something like virtual ethernet that can take care of this issue Dec 06 21:25:08 because it's simulating one through the USB Dec 06 21:25:58 So in this case what is your idea Pit? drivers are installed, it shows ready to use..but nothing appears on windows explorer Dec 06 21:26:24 Should Itry with AC power on? or with a mini SD card to load from there? Dec 06 21:26:57 I don't know... Dec 06 21:26:59 let me think Dec 06 21:27:08 I'm waiting Dec 06 21:27:10 Thanks Dec 06 21:27:15 You tried to post this issue in the google group? Dec 06 21:27:18 (just asking) Dec 06 21:27:40 Not yet.. I'm very new and had no clue where I should get support.. I just presented with this chat group Dec 06 21:28:33 okay let's try to enter through the web page okay ? Dec 06 21:28:56 http://beagleboard.org/ Dec 06 21:29:26 And then I should go to the community ? Dec 06 21:29:42 No, i wanna try a final thing Dec 06 21:29:54 and then you can ask the community if it doesnt work Dec 06 21:30:13 Sure Dec 06 21:30:23 In the superior black bar clic getting started Dec 06 21:30:41 in the shown submenu clic getting started again Dec 06 21:31:00 dx_: http://avedo.net/653/flashing-ubuntu-13-04-or-debian-wheezy-to-the-beaglebone-black-emmc/ Dec 06 21:31:15 Scroll down untill step 3 Dec 06 21:31:40 and clic that IP Dec 06 21:31:49 Done Dec 06 21:32:03 Must show you an screen like this Dec 06 21:32:14 Nothing happens Dec 06 21:32:27 How? Dec 06 21:32:40 the IP didnt enter? Dec 06 21:32:42 The only thing I got : Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to 192.168.7.2 Try reloading: 192.­168.­7.­2 Dec 06 21:33:15 there is a daemon making the process Dec 06 21:33:21 is in auto run Dec 06 21:33:31 okay Dec 06 21:33:42 the daemon make the BBB connected in a virtual net with the pc Dec 06 21:34:10 Synko: How can I use that deamon? Dec 06 21:34:33 oh damn Dec 06 21:35:01 Synko: Pelase have in mind , when I connect BBB to the computer nothing happens, nothing is shown as a USB drive.. And all the drivers are installed completey and the status of drivers is ready to us Dec 06 21:35:15 search for a exe or bat in the fat partition, if you dont have it you need to reinstall Armstrong distribution Dec 06 21:35:34 ^yes Dec 06 21:35:38 cause is not a new device, maybe someone else flashed it Dec 06 21:36:05 How can I get that FAT partiotion? Nothing is shown on windows explorer or Disk management ? Dec 06 21:36:34 IT is a new device, I just got it yesterday Dec 06 21:37:12 i read that if it doesnt have the last distribution it may cause some issues Dec 06 21:38:11 To get it worked through the USB, do I have to have it booted with a SD card? Dec 06 21:38:27 nope Dec 06 21:38:29 No Dec 06 21:38:32 http://avedo.net/653/flashing-ubuntu-13-04-or-debian-wheezy-to-the-beaglebone-black-emmc/ Dec 06 21:38:41 follow this link to flash mmc Dec 06 21:38:49 So hopefully I'm not looking that step. Dec 06 21:38:59 Synko : I'm looking at your article Dec 06 21:39:01 choose an official image, maybe for you is better armstrong distro Dec 06 21:39:07 http://learn.adafruit.com/beaglebone-black-installing-operating-systems Dec 06 21:39:21 ^This is a complete tutorial from Adafruit Dec 06 21:39:39 how long can run a BBB ? Dec 06 21:39:56 i mean, how long is its life as hardware? Dec 06 21:40:15 I havent heard about that yet lol Dec 06 21:40:17 Now that I have to download a distribution, Let me say I will be writing JAVA propgrams on this BBB.. Is there any distro you suggest for that? Dec 06 21:40:24 lol Dec 06 21:40:33 it's only a curiosity Dec 06 21:41:09 dx i have the perfect link for that question, wait Dec 06 21:41:29 dx_ : is simple, visit every distro package repository and choose the one with more package that you need Dec 06 21:42:10 :) Dec 06 21:42:11 Thanks Pit, I'm waiting for your document! Dec 06 21:42:17 Also Thank SynKo Dec 06 21:42:23 np :) Dec 06 21:43:08 http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_FAQ#Software Dec 06 21:43:11 Honestly I was hoping BBB would give me less weird problems than Raspberry Pi, but the problems started from the beginning :D Dec 06 21:43:26 Thank you so much guys.. Dec 06 21:43:37 and I wish I could get some help for my no lcd display problem... Dec 06 21:43:39 dx sadly BBB has less people supporting it Dec 06 21:43:46 which is why Dec 06 21:44:01 its like you have to kill for information or have a big research Dec 06 21:44:03 BBB is the best Dec 06 21:44:05 My only concern is that , maybe something is wrong with hardware rather than the distro, as it can even get detected as a USB conencted to computer Dec 06 21:44:10 RPI is unstable Dec 06 21:44:50 I hope get things worked.. Dec 06 21:44:51 Cognitive i suggest you post your problem in the google groups or the g+ beaglebone comunity :) Dec 06 21:45:04 yes Dec 06 21:45:08 go gog o Dec 06 21:45:10 :D Dec 06 21:45:21 dx ahah i know what you feel Dec 06 21:45:32 at least you have a background with the rpi Dec 06 21:45:58 lol.. I hope those backgrounds help a little :D Dec 06 21:46:03 my background is the 8051 xD programed with Asembly haha Dec 06 21:46:14 You're better than me trust me hah Dec 06 21:46:32 oh and a couple of things more Dec 06 21:46:32 Don't think so dude :D Dec 06 21:46:44 Join G+ Dec 06 21:46:51 start follow people! Dec 06 21:46:52 Sure Dec 06 21:46:55 introducing, the garageputer https://plus.google.com/113365530033690596670/posts/7DtBDpt7vnr Dec 06 21:47:01 and the google group too Dec 06 21:47:05 :D Dec 06 21:47:11 I will defenitely do Dec 06 21:47:32 Jarret that's look swett! what i does? Dec 06 21:47:41 SyNko Dec 06 21:47:47 are you there? Dec 06 21:47:50 yep Dec 06 21:49:00 pit: i can check garage door status and trigger the door Dec 06 21:49:20 there is also an ultrasonic sensor to see if anyone is parked in the garage Dec 06 21:49:40 i wrote in bonescript Dec 06 21:49:40 very nice Dec 06 21:49:53 thx Dec 06 21:49:59 it was fun project Dec 06 21:49:59 I have a problem and it : im planning to use node.js and cloud9 to program the BBB...so i tried to use the blink example and it works with the "P8_13", when i change it to another pin let's say "P8_46". doesnt do anything Dec 06 21:50:02 T-T Dec 06 21:50:14 Jarret great! Dec 06 21:51:41 going to throw together android app Dec 06 21:51:51 socket.io is sweet Dec 06 21:52:35 Jarret i just add you in g+ Dec 06 21:52:43 :) Dec 06 21:53:41 cool added u back Dec 06 21:54:27 i guess i should put together a blog post Dec 06 21:54:53 And a video would be cool Dec 06 21:54:54 haha Dec 06 21:55:08 what lenguage did you used? Dec 06 21:55:56 javascript/bonescript Dec 06 21:57:07 I think you can help me! could you? Dec 06 22:02:58 im planning to use node.js and cloud9 to program the BBB...so i tried to use the blink example and it works with the "P8_13", when i change it to another pin let's say "P8_46". doesnt do anything Dec 06 22:11:13 pit: i noticed a similar issue with my bbb Dec 06 22:11:22 i just switched to the other pin Dec 06 22:11:33 i assume the pin is in a different mode Dec 06 22:16:24 So what did you do ? Dec 06 22:16:36 ohh Dec 06 22:18:17 I'll see what i can do Dec 06 22:18:38 thanks at leat i have an idea what is happening! Dec 06 22:18:44 well bye everyone Dec 07 00:16:49 Hi all. I am trying to give my BBB internet access over the USB link (to a MacBook Air host) but I cannot get it to work... Dec 07 00:17:02 What I have done so far: Dec 07 00:17:10 1. Dismount BEAGLEBONE disk Dec 07 00:17:26 2. Enable Internet Sharing on the MacBook, of Wi-Fi connection to BeagleBoneBlack Dec 07 00:17:33 3. Connect to BBB over USB serial (screen /dev/tty.usbmodem1a123) Dec 07 00:17:39 4. udhcpc -i usb0 Dec 07 00:18:06 This last step does not work, it keeps printing "Sending discover..." but never completes... Dec 07 00:18:42 Any ideas? Dec 07 00:19:09 tamnir: I suspect I'm the only one in this channel paying attention and I don't have a BBB or an Apple computer. Lets see.... Dec 07 00:19:51 Hello there georgem_home ^^/ Dec 07 00:21:01 tamnir: You do udhcpc -i usb0 on the bbb, right? Dec 07 00:21:08 Yes Dec 07 00:21:39 Before I issued that command, the usb0 interface had an IP of 192.168.7.2 Dec 07 00:21:50 interesting... Dec 07 00:21:51 what does ifconfig show on the mac? does it show some kind of usb interface? Dec 07 00:22:01 does it have an IP? Dec 07 00:23:05 en11 is the interface (before setting up sharing) of the USB connection to the BBB. Dec 07 00:23:13 It currently has: inet 192.168.7.1 netmask 0xfffffffc broadcast 192.168.7.3 Dec 07 00:28:22 Hmm, interesting: I disabled and enabled Internet Sharing on the Mac: at first the USB network interface (on the mac) looses its IP, then after a while it shows up again as 192.168.7.1... Dec 07 00:33:32 tamnir: don't run dhcp on the BBB then. Looks like addresses are being assigned Dec 07 00:34:47 The problem is that on the Mac side, the connection to the BBB is not setup for Internet Sharing: Dec 07 00:35:00 I tried adding the Mac IP as a default gateway Dec 07 00:35:07 ( route add default gw 192.168.7.1 ) Dec 07 00:35:21 ok... before you tried changing anything were you able to ping across the USB link? Dec 07 00:35:37 Yes, that part worked fine. Dec 07 00:36:17 But the BBB could not ping anything else but the Mac. Dec 07 00:36:25 Even with the default gateway added. Dec 07 00:37:16 "Internet Sharing" is what is supposed to set things up on the Mac (dhcpd, NAT...) for things to work... Dec 07 00:45:42 Hmmm... I am seeing suspicious errors in the system messages on the Mac when I try to enable Internet Sharing. May clues in there... Dec 07 00:45:47 Let me create a pastebin... Dec 07 00:49:51 http://pastebin.com/jEkWvvdk Dec 07 00:52:24 I think the highlights are: Dec 07 00:52:26 en11: promiscuous mode enable failed Dec 07 00:52:39 SIOCSDRVSPEC: Operation not supported on socket Dec 07 00:52:52 could not add member en11 to interface bridge100 Dec 07 00:53:24 errnum 102 has no matching mis_reason_t value Dec 07 00:53:32 HoRNDIS: rndisCommand: unsupported: RNDIS_MSG_INDICATE Dec 07 00:54:19 tamnir: in linux you need to do something to enable cross interface routing, not sure how you do that on OSX Dec 07 00:54:50 Yes, that is exactly what "Internet Sharing" does on OSX. Dec 07 00:56:40 But it looks like it's failing somehow... Dec 07 01:02:58 Okay, I could reproduce the first error: en11: promiscuous mode enable failed Dec 07 01:04:15 I looks like Internet Sharing tries to bridging interfaces. I tried on the command line what I guess it is trying to do: Dec 07 01:04:29 sudo ifconfig bridge100 addm en11 Dec 07 01:04:50 On the command line, I got: ifconfig: BRDGADD en11: Operation not supported on socket Dec 07 01:05:05 And in the system logs: en11: promiscuous mode enable failed Dec 07 01:06:09 Hmmm... Wondering if the conclusion is: the current HoRNDIS drivers are not compatible with Internet Sharing on Macs... Dec 07 01:21:40 http://i.imgur.com/Vsee2yj.png going to freeze my ass off Dec 07 01:25:24 hi Dec 07 01:25:32 i need help Dec 07 01:25:51 i order beaglebone black from ebay Dec 07 01:26:19 to myus the mail forwarding Dec 07 01:27:17 they say the device is restricted Dec 07 01:28:04 is it true? Dec 07 01:29:10 any one here!!! Dec 07 01:30:44 ok Dec 07 01:30:46 Sorry to disturb you guys Dec 07 01:31:17 Hello Qassim_Aljassim. Sorry, no idea... Dec 07 01:32:19 Don't bother Dec 07 01:32:49 Qassim_Aljassim> Yeah it may be true. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/2SFxyFBWbHo Dec 07 01:32:57 really i like this board Dec 07 01:33:25 i dont know what i will do to get it Dec 07 01:33:35 i will read the topic Dec 07 01:34:54 georgem_home> If you are still around, thank you for you help. I will give up for now and will use the LAN connection to get Internet acces on the BBB. Dec 07 01:35:18 I reported the issue to the HoRNDIS author, we'll see what is his take on the situation. Dec 07 01:40:50 hi Dec 07 01:41:22 anybody know is the beagle bone black can reproduce youtube videos? Dec 07 01:50:21 anybody know is the beagle bone black can reproduce youtube videos? Dec 07 02:12:51 p8_45 and p8_46 are pwm pins, right? I have hdmi cape disabled. But I can't seem to get these pins working as pwm. Dec 07 02:14:06 this is with python and the adafruit bbio. perhaps that's the problem? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 07 02:59:58 2013