**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 18 02:59:59 2013 Dec 18 04:41:41 Hi.. I have both ethernet and wlan enabled in my beaglebone..but when I remove the ethernet cable my wifi connection will get hanged.Can anyone help me on this Dec 18 07:34:06 what are the pins again to feed the BBB through the headers? p9-1,2 for GND and p9-5,6 for 5V? Dec 18 07:35:21 yeah should be right according to SRM Dec 18 08:29:53 I have recently join a project ( http://poppy-project.org ) that use raspberry pi, and I am trying to make it switch to BeagleBone to make it more open source ... Free software compatible should be the best. (my knowledge is more on sofware than electronics, but i know that rpi contain some non free blobs (it's the reason why)... the chief of that project sounds interested by BBB an we are discutting at this time about some stuff to had Dec 18 08:29:53 to the bot. someone suggest to use https://www.xmos.com/en/products/xkits/starterkit rather that LOGI-bone. Does that will fit fine/better than logi bone? Please give me a bit of help to defend the Beagle! Dec 18 08:30:31 you can also try to register, but i am not the one that decided to accept you or not. Dec 18 09:23:29 for the moment i have respond to that thread by :: That sounds very closed to Raspberry Pi and so by the way bring us back to the non-free blobs trouble that include Rpi. Dec 18 09:23:31 https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi Dec 18 09:23:56 but technical argument(s) should be really fine Dec 18 09:25:23 if some of you are registered to that project here is the link : http://www.poppy-project.org/forums/topic/poppy-pc-board-improvement/#post-1803 Dec 18 09:25:52 not really in my budget.. Dec 18 09:26:04 not in mine too Dec 18 09:26:25 do they really build a > 1000 dollar robot with a crappy pi? Dec 18 09:26:32 but i works on a cheaper version Dec 18 09:26:39 with a BBB 8-p Dec 18 09:26:49 yes they are. Dec 18 09:28:16 on Poppy project there is different trouble, 3D printing is cool if you have a 3D printer that can print that type of stuff (but that represent a price if you do not have the printer) Dec 18 09:28:22 also they use solidworks Dec 18 09:28:33 a CAD tool which is very expensive and non free Dec 18 09:28:42 non-free license i mean Dec 18 09:28:53 and very expensive in price Dec 18 09:29:36 and last, they use dynamixel servos which are very very expensive Dec 18 09:30:00 That I can understand Dec 18 09:30:45 They probably need high accuracy. Something the cheap ones can not deliver Dec 18 09:32:20 certainly ... but that is the most expensive part of the bot :-/ Dec 18 09:33:02 some servo do not have that accuracy, but they are $10 , not $200 ! Dec 18 09:35:06 What is the difference between AM3359ZCZ72 and AM3359ZCZ100 Dec 18 09:37:31 jovin, where do you read about AM3359ZCZ100 Dec 18 09:37:52 nothing about that ref on search engine Dec 18 09:39:09 http://www.digikey.com/product-highlights/us/en/texas-instruments-beagleboard/685 Dec 18 09:39:13 jovin ^ Dec 18 09:40:30 hey cool that give me the argument i need ! 2000 mips ! for BBB Dec 18 09:40:45 jovin, thanks! Dec 18 09:42:11 dOES ANYONE KNOW ABT THE EARLIER VERSIONS OF BEAGLE BONE....BEFORE BLACK? Dec 18 09:43:01 it was the Beaglebone Dec 18 09:44:12 jovin: what about it? Dec 18 09:44:16 and why are you shouting? Dec 18 09:44:19 had a bad day? Dec 18 10:23:17 hello i want to boot armstrong from my beagle bone black Dec 18 10:23:23 how to do it? Dec 18 10:23:34 1) download image Dec 18 10:23:38 2) write to SD card Dec 18 10:23:41 3) insert card Dec 18 10:23:47 4) hold boot button and power on Dec 18 10:23:53 also, google it Dec 18 10:23:57 you are not the first one Dec 18 10:24:09 currently i dont have a sd card, Dec 18 10:24:29 0) buy SD card Dec 18 10:24:30 is there a way to run armstrong on beaglebone from usb Dec 18 10:24:44 well wasn't it shipped with angstrom anyways? Dec 18 10:24:48 I think BBB ships with angstrom already installed Dec 18 10:24:59 it does ship with Angstrom already installed Dec 18 10:26:19 yes i know that , so the beagle bone ships with pre installed image so how to boot the armstrong os Dec 18 10:27:05 1) apply power Dec 18 10:27:21 2) there is no 2) Dec 18 10:28:42 av500: mind, he demanded "armstrong", not "angstrom" Dec 18 10:29:20 to keep his arms beared and strong, probably. Dec 18 10:34:43 clearly Dec 18 10:35:05 must have been talking about a distro other than angstrom Dec 18 13:00:42 Hi, I have a suggestion for the website: it doesn't make clear enough the fact that beaglebone black is not a "new" version of beaglebone, but a "cheap" version of it Dec 18 13:02:04 Specially, it doesn't make clear enough that the black version doesn't have a very important functionality (the debug interface) Dec 18 13:02:28 Luis_: well, beaglebone original was released oct 31, 2011 - beaglebone black was apr 23, 2013 Dec 18 13:02:43 hence it is a "new" version, in temporal terms. Dec 18 13:03:33 Luis_: i could also argue that the original is an overpriced version of the black, as it does not have very important functionality (no emmc, no hdmi) Dec 18 13:03:34 My suggestion is to simply make the absence of the debug interface in black clearer in the website, so one does not buy black believing it has the debug interface (well, I made that mistake) Dec 18 13:06:31 Yes, you're right, from that point of view... maybe the only thing is really to make clearer the functionality beagleboard has and black doesn't, avoiding people thinking the way I thought: "the new one must be better than the old one", and well, it's better but it also doesn't have some functionality Dec 18 13:06:31 Luis_: suggestion is duly noted. but i guess nobody will advertise the BBB as "a cheap BBW" Dec 18 13:09:01 I mean, looking at the site I thought: "the new one has all the old one has, and it's even better", and I wasn't right... :) Dec 18 13:09:24 that's my suggestion, hope that helps... Dec 18 13:10:44 anyway, it's a great project. congrats. see ya Dec 18 13:32:56 http://cubox-i.com/carrier-one-naming-contest-winner/ - there is a new animalboard Dec 18 13:35:05 yes Dec 18 13:39:04 is there a comprehensive list of such boards ? something like distrowatch ? Dec 18 13:41:42 animalboard.org Dec 18 14:31:01 Does the beagleboard support a situation like this: Car Radio <-- USB mass storage device -- Beagleboard <-- USB mass storage device -- External HD Dec 18 14:32:03 The idea is that the beagleboard syncs with a folder with music on my network when it is in range of my wifi netwerk Dec 18 14:32:08 yes Dec 18 14:32:14 mini usb is device Dec 18 14:32:17 big usb is host Dec 18 14:32:32 and nice idea Dec 18 14:33:24 thanks! Going to the website of my local reseller Dec 18 14:33:26 :-) Dec 18 14:43:26 you might need an external antenna unless you park very close to your home Dec 18 14:43:40 (but yeah, awesome idea) Dec 18 15:24:21 Hi all, if I load the LCD4 cape after booting up the BBB (using echo > ...) will it start outputting display data to display the home screen? Dec 18 16:58:42 How are videos of the BBB & Android like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4P_s-7dDRQ possible? I tried TI's and Henderson's Android images. TI's crashed all the time and Henderson's is horribly slow due to a lack of hardware 3d acceleration. Did circuitco use ChipSee's image in the video or how could you possibly play games on the BBB? I am currently using HDMI output, is there really no way? Dec 18 17:00:46 low resolution .... Dec 18 17:00:47 I dont see a BBB in that video Dec 18 17:01:11 and that would be audio cape + LCD cape Dec 18 17:01:52 Well, it says: "BeagleBone Black" and is made by circuitco, the cape also is one for the BBB. So I assume there is a BBB beneath. Dec 18 17:02:04 I dont see one Dec 18 17:02:19 and why would CCO use a chipsee cape and not their own? Dec 18 17:02:36 ah Dec 18 17:02:40 audio is on the cape actually Dec 18 17:02:42 LCD+audio Dec 18 17:02:54 http://www.chipsee.com/bbb-exp-c.html Dec 18 17:02:55 make sense Dec 18 17:03:08 so, I guess they have SGX drivers running Dec 18 17:03:12 Yeah, that's propably why they used ChipSee's cape. Dec 18 17:03:25 ChipSee ships an Android image with their capes. Dec 18 17:03:32 1GHZ cortex A8 can do that Dec 18 17:03:45 android uses a modded 3.2 kernel with sgx Dec 18 17:04:00 since the video only shows a 3D game Dec 18 17:04:03 and that is all sgx Dec 18 17:04:10 So far the only stable, fast Android experience on the BBB I've seen was using ChipSee's image. Dec 18 17:04:21 of course, without 3D driver you are dead slow Dec 18 17:04:25 Jeija: sure Dec 18 17:04:38 Is there any way to obtain that image? Dec 18 17:05:02 ask chipsee? Dec 18 17:05:15 buy the LCD, maybe you get it Dec 18 17:05:51 Sure, but does any of you run another LCD cape with a same, good experience? Dec 18 17:06:01 with android? Dec 18 17:06:04 few do Dec 18 17:06:06 I haven't ever seen sgx running Dec 18 17:06:14 i'm envious of that Dec 18 17:06:24 Well, get TI's image, sgx seems to work there over HDMI Dec 18 17:06:58 But the audio on TI's image is totally broken and the system crashes whenever you even try to change your wallpaper Dec 18 17:07:20 that's a feature Dec 18 17:09:02 I have issues with fbdev even Dec 18 17:09:11 can't get it to change resolutions Dec 18 17:09:31 tries several techniques Dec 18 17:09:53 if I force it, it just doesn't work at all Dec 18 17:10:09 I mean I just want to know if there is any way to get Android truly working before purchasing an LCD screen. But what I've seen so far is just a joke. Dec 18 17:12:40 I've been thinking about building a little utility bot, maybe to do some line following, for like in office or in warehouse deliveries Dec 18 17:13:09 I don't want to break the bank though, and some of the motors and motor drivers are pretty expensive Dec 18 17:13:39 I might put it off until I have access to someone with CNC equipment that I can use to build some basic parts, and then try to build my own motors Dec 18 17:14:02 if it was for someone else I'd make the investment, but this is just for something to do Dec 18 17:44:23 haha, making an IRC bot interact with the physical world owns Dec 18 17:44:59 eggzeck: what kind of "physical" ? Dec 18 17:50:55 thews: I have a bot reminding me via a liquid crystal screen that I have to give my daughter her vitamins haha it will eventually do more but I'm doing it for fun mostly atm Dec 18 17:52:01 eggzeck: ahh, I've done quite a few "internet of things" physical change things Dec 18 17:52:19 thews: Yeah, it's quite fun Dec 18 17:52:42 it'd be interesting to have some "analog" chimes Dec 18 17:52:50 I might do that soon, that'd be cheap enough Dec 18 17:53:24 large ball bearing glued to a servo that rings a mini gong or something Dec 18 17:55:45 I havent done any camera stuff yet either, might try that soon Dec 18 18:15:18 hi Dec 18 18:15:23 as I can send data serially using beagleboneblack under ANDROID OS? Dec 18 18:22:05 help me pleas Dec 18 18:44:06 i am new to beagle; can someone tell me where beagle fits with android? Dec 18 20:57:40 Say I have a 5v switching PSU, at ~ 3 amps, i have it going to a charge controller for 3.7v batteries, and I have the batteries hooked up to a step up converter to 5v. if I take wires from the 5v psu and put them on the 5v output side of the battery packs, before plugging it into my BBB and Powered USB hub, would that cause any problems? Dec 18 20:58:15 the idea is the have a mobile sensor pack that I can charge or have running from wall power, but keep power as it's being transported Dec 18 20:58:17 or while power is out Dec 18 21:00:49 I figured I might need to put a diode on the output side of the step up converter so that current doesn't flow back towards it Dec 18 21:14:59 Does the BBB has a Micro or Mini HDMI Connector? Some pages (including german wikipedia) do say Mini HDMI...? Dec 18 21:17:13 <_av500_> micro I think Dec 18 21:17:19 <_av500_> check the SRM Dec 18 21:18:04 SRM says micro Dec 18 21:20:20 _av500_: oh and do the Archos Tablets have Micro or Mini HDMI? Your wegpage says mini but the box says micro Dec 18 21:22:30 <_av500_> I think micro Dec 18 21:22:38 <_av500_> at least G9 and G10 Dec 18 21:22:49 <_av500_> recent ones I dont know Dec 18 21:22:58 <_av500_> could depend on model Dec 18 21:23:09 <_av500_> but I guess everybody moved to micro by now Dec 18 21:34:56 hello all experts. i am new with beagleboard and looking for help, anyone can help me? Dec 18 21:35:05 <_av500_> depends Dec 18 21:35:14 <_av500_> it would help if you would ask a question Dec 18 21:35:20 ok Dec 18 21:35:42 i just installed ubuntu 13.04 on beagle board xm Dec 18 21:35:47 after logging in Dec 18 21:35:57 how can i connect to wifi? Dec 18 21:36:09 as there is no gui interface? Dec 18 21:37:15 thexnightmare: see anything in /etc/network/interfaces ? Dec 18 21:38:03 i see 3 things, eth0, lp, and usb0 Dec 18 22:26:06 hey everyone Dec 18 22:27:12 how can i completly disable hdmi output? Dec 18 22:30:30 max4000: I think there's a boot option for it Dec 18 22:37:51 edit uEnv.txt to disable the hdmi overlay Dec 18 22:41:13 any information? links? Dec 18 22:41:28 just want so save some power Dec 18 22:41:40 running of lipo batteries Dec 18 22:44:49 max4000, you can 'vi /boot/uboot/uEnv.txt' Dec 18 22:44:59 max4000, and add 'optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN' Dec 18 22:45:18 there's an example that does that and disables eMMC, but you probably want the latter to continue working Dec 18 22:45:48 max4000, you can do that when the system is already up from it..then save and reboot Dec 18 22:45:55 and you'll have no hdmi support Dec 18 22:49:14 thanks! Dec 18 22:49:19 what about the usb hot plug bug? Dec 18 22:49:23 i have this issue Dec 18 22:49:59 hmmmm Dec 18 22:50:02 I thought that was a kernel issue Dec 18 22:59:07 has anyone measured battery life of a bone on 2 AA's? Dec 18 23:09:57 not on 2AAs no Dec 18 23:10:13 using a switching dc-dc step up converter? Dec 18 23:11:12 I can go "days" on a 35Wh lipo battery, but it's not much amperage at all, so the battery life is a lot better than you'd get from 2 AAs Dec 18 23:11:18 more current you pull the faster it goes Dec 18 23:13:22 under load the BBB pulls 0.46A @ 5v Dec 18 23:13:28 no load about 0.2A Dec 18 23:13:59 on the 35Wh battery pack though I can get 2 days out of it Dec 18 23:17:01 i am using a lipo 3 cell Dec 18 23:17:11 with 2200mah Dec 18 23:17:46 what would the lifetime be? Dec 18 23:17:53 yes, DC-DC step up Dec 18 23:18:18 watts should be 2,2 A * 11,3V ? Dec 18 23:18:21 what's ur cut off on the 35Wh pack? Dec 18 23:18:46 3.5V? Dec 18 23:19:33 or putting it another way - any regulator/booster between the 35Wh pack and the board? Dec 18 23:19:37 on that one, it's a laptop battery pack, I think it's 18v, and has it's own electronics Dec 18 23:20:07 ohhh 18V so you have a buck regulator? Dec 18 23:20:11 I grab power on it from usb port and wired a 2.1mm jack Dec 18 23:20:30 it's actually a motorola lapdock I grabbed for 40 bucks on ebay Dec 18 23:20:46 ahh Dec 18 23:20:47 has hdmi display, hdmi audio, and came with a charger and 35Wh battery Dec 18 23:20:53 pretty much a steal Dec 18 23:20:55 that is huge Dec 18 23:21:38 for my other battery packs I wire 3.7v lipo batteries in parallel after giving them a good charge individually Dec 18 23:21:53 I charge them to 4.2v and run them down to 3.5v Dec 18 23:22:08 any good idea hwo to measure voltage from lipos? Dec 18 23:22:18 so i can read them from the bbb Dec 18 23:22:23 multimeter is how i usually do :D Dec 18 23:22:24 but Dec 18 23:22:27 voltage to i2c ? Dec 18 23:22:32 you can use a voltage divider to ADC Dec 18 23:22:34 on the BBB Dec 18 23:22:42 adc is 1,8 right? Dec 18 23:22:44 yes Dec 18 23:22:47 hence the divider :D Dec 18 23:22:53 use the ADC or a gage Dec 18 23:23:18 on my step up dc -dc buck converter I have a built in 7seg mutlimeter Dec 18 23:23:20 2 7segs Dec 18 23:23:26 hm okay Dec 18 23:23:28 button press for swapping between input voltage and output Dec 18 23:23:45 i am a little afraid using a voltage divider Dec 18 23:23:50 dont want to burn my bbb Dec 18 23:23:52 I use that as my poor mans desktop power supply Dec 18 23:24:18 i2c on bb has to be 3,3v max i guess Dec 18 23:24:21 just thoroughly design the analog electronics Dec 18 23:24:55 on the BBB google group there's plenty of talk of voltage dividers Dec 18 23:25:02 link? Dec 18 23:25:10 voltage dividers are pretty straight forward Dec 18 23:25:32 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/beagleboard/voltage$20divider Dec 18 23:26:15 a 3.5V cut off wastes probally 50% of the capacity Dec 18 23:27:37 ds2: I don't mind that part much. I also have some $2 half amp 5v solar panels I got from radioshack on clearance Dec 18 23:27:53 well Dec 18 23:27:59 some were 4.5v and some 6v I think Dec 18 23:28:02 if you don't care about size... Dec 18 23:28:19 ds2: for battery packs I use 1300+ mah batteries Dec 18 23:28:27 I'd rather them last a while :D Dec 18 23:28:34 good quality batteries are expensive Dec 18 23:28:46 ah Dec 18 23:29:08 guess I will have to spend the time to design stuff... trying to to throw together a quick and dirty datalogger Dec 18 23:29:21 ds2: you using wifi? Dec 18 23:29:28 nope Dec 18 23:29:32 just ethernet Dec 18 23:29:35 that's good Dec 18 23:29:41 a lot more battery life that way Dec 18 23:29:53 ideally, I want a week or so Dec 18 23:29:58 or I have to rig up AC power for it Dec 18 23:30:16 if it's near sun you can grab some cheap solar panels like I did and some $1 solar chargers Dec 18 23:30:28 it'll be indoors Dec 18 23:30:55 I have stuff out in my greenhouse and enough light gets in there for the panels Dec 18 23:31:21 I'm running AC current out there anyways right now though, keeping a space heater on to keep it from freezing Dec 18 23:31:32 what kind of greenhouse is it? temperate or tropical? Dec 18 23:31:47 I'm in southern oklahoma Dec 18 23:31:52 we have the most extreme weather here Dec 18 23:32:12 summers with 70 days over 100F and we went over a week under freezing a week back Dec 18 23:32:19 got down to 10F Dec 18 23:32:50 some winter tomatoes from today https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gBdFlmBVBGQ/UrIdSobqp9I/AAAAAAAAJhw/mzZQ3esVGuY/w1355-h1016-no/IMG_20131218_160152.jpg Dec 18 23:33:01 ah for tomatos Dec 18 23:33:07 for whatever I want to eat :D Dec 18 23:33:07 thought you were keeping tropical plants in there Dec 18 23:33:10 nah :D Dec 18 23:33:14 edible veggies Dec 18 23:33:39 zucchini, tomatoes, dill, bell peppers, oriental greens, onions, lemon tree Dec 18 23:33:45 all kinds of stuff Dec 18 23:33:57 that's not humid enough to cause corrosion issues on the BBB Dec 18 23:34:11 the temperate difference causes some extreme humidity sometimes Dec 18 23:34:21 but I use silicone + tupperware boxes Dec 18 23:34:22 I'm cheap Dec 18 23:34:25 and gromets Dec 18 23:36:05 pic from 11/21 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HRmD1tHJHts/Uo5goNWWb1I/AAAAAAAAJXw/-PCdVTK9zkc/w1355-h1016-no/IMG_20131121_133540.jpg Dec 18 23:36:27 what does the BBB control? Dec 18 23:36:30 those tomatoes have grown quite a bit since then, also I foamed all of the cement blocks up Dec 18 23:36:53 Right now I'm just doing temp readings with dallas 1-wire sensors, but I have a relay box for the water pumps and lights Dec 18 23:36:59 that's controlled via arduino still at the moment Dec 18 23:37:38 the tomatoes there use a dutch bucket system with reservoir buried in the ground outdoors for keeping it well oxygenated Dec 18 23:37:48 so their nutrient/water feed is constant Dec 18 23:38:33 I'm doing google docs logging on the temp / humidity Dec 18 23:38:38 with a ruby library Dec 18 23:39:07 oh this is a hydroponic greenhouse? Dec 18 23:39:29 mostly Dec 18 23:39:41 or is aeroponic more accurate? Dec 18 23:39:42 I also do some soil container gardens, I tried out some "sustainable" ideas this summer Dec 18 23:39:57 hydro is more accurate, I don't even consider most aeroponic systems to be aeroponic Dec 18 23:40:11 to me high pressure aeroponics is the only thing with any advantages over other hydro systems Dec 18 23:40:16 what kind of sustainable? the ones with the fish in there? Dec 18 23:40:20 but high pressure aeroponics is expensive Dec 18 23:40:35 ds2: sustainable by using "trash" containers Dec 18 23:40:47 Ohhh like that Dec 18 23:41:08 let me try to find some pics Dec 18 23:42:32 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GmBGki3hxXk/UlHFlU1PRtI/AAAAAAAAHPk/95N6RfeWNDU/w1355-h1016-no/20130911_085927.jpg Dec 18 23:42:46 was reading about the ones with catfish or tilapia in a mini pond at one end cycling the water through the roots on the other Dec 18 23:43:15 so it will be fine to measure the lipo voltage with an voltagedevider into adc Dec 18 23:43:20 that's with dirt, right? Dec 18 23:43:21 its the same lipo powering the bbb Dec 18 23:43:36 ds2: aquaponics and aquaculture is tedious and not very productive Dec 18 23:43:45 ds2: those are with dirt yeah, otherwise I do all hydro Dec 18 23:43:46 max4000: I'd buffer it with a op-amp since the PMIC can "turn off" the processor Dec 18 23:43:55 ohhh Dec 18 23:44:10 ds2: here's some of my systems Dec 18 23:44:10 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-g5dOBmx6BaE/UlGe1EqZ3BI/AAAAAAAAGbA/fW4ChDgYw1g/w1355-h1016-no/20130929_104844.jpg Dec 18 23:44:22 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-UjU4omBCehY/UlG6fvu1jPI/AAAAAAAAG-o/3QUFlqoqaCs/w1355-h1016-no/20130929_110017.jpg Dec 18 23:44:34 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nuvnvKAsxkU/UlbkReyQHMI/AAAAAAAAIs0/KduZL6XGIGQ/w1355-h1016-no/20131010_122940.jpg Dec 18 23:44:48 what's the media u using? Dec 18 23:45:01 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3cWdcnga8ng/UlGQRlxLV-I/AAAAAAAAF-g/xSHFUi4NclY/w1355-h1016-no/20130913_173824.jpg Dec 18 23:45:21 ds2: I use different medias but mostly perlite and expanded clay (hydroton) Dec 18 23:45:45 looks like a big greenhouse! Dec 18 23:45:50 we get good results though, here's one of our oriental geens with my wife holding it https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1cCWi22G1OE/UlHHyxkmMdI/AAAAAAAAHTw/k0afx3gSKmY/w1355-h1016-no/20130916_112418.jpg Dec 18 23:46:08 you can see a giant bag of perlite in the background there Dec 18 23:46:46 some basil and herbs mixed with some oriental greens and kale here https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IJIR5lu5YCI/UmcXttr02bI/AAAAAAAAI3Q/Ct-X0IU2-5M/w1355-h1016-no/20131022_192519.jpg Dec 18 23:47:21 I have 25 bucket top baskets for a future system I have planned https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kVuI4ZFrdKA/UlSK2ANFXnI/AAAAAAAAIq4/rWtE6HC7g_k/w1355-h1016-no/20131008_174346.jpg Dec 18 23:47:49 a pretty big bok choy in the bottom left of this pic https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dzvMB03TicM/UlGZpvXez8I/AAAAAAAAGR8/nIsZseFIvSY/w1355-h1016-no/20131005_160027.jpg Dec 18 23:48:12 I've just been experimenting to see what I can do without breaking the bank Dec 18 23:48:25 how do you prevent the pumps from clogging? Dec 18 23:48:28 my buried reservoirs https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CI4dr-RePAI/UlWggVLAkKI/AAAAAAAAIrI/rllyTmRtk5o/w1355-h1016-no/20131009_132835.jpg Dec 18 23:48:36 ds2: pump bags + filters Dec 18 23:48:47 played with the aerogarden stuff and I loose pumps after about 2 growing seasons Dec 18 23:48:52 I see Dec 18 23:49:25 ds2: in the future I'm going to do some inline pumps and make a filter box out of tupperware and some filter media too Dec 18 23:50:03 I've been given enzymes to break stuff down that might get into my water supply as well though Dec 18 23:50:16 the latest I'm using is Zyme Alive Dec 18 23:50:30 is that the same stuff they use for septics? Dec 18 23:51:19 nope Dec 18 23:51:43 this stuff breaks down plant matter some and also is absorbed by your plants (nutritional bacteria) and aids in absorption and sugar production Dec 18 23:51:57 sorry beneficial bacteria Dec 18 23:52:22 ds2: http://i.imgur.com/uhBarZo.jpg Dec 18 23:53:57 I've built some little starter kits for family for gifts too Dec 18 23:53:58 http://i.imgur.com/AieHFXF.jpg Dec 18 23:54:30 isn't the price of this stuff pretty steep? Dec 18 23:55:24 the majority of it isn't Dec 18 23:55:45 I do a lot of DIY stuff instead of buying other peoples really over priced name brand Dec 18 23:56:20 I bought like 100 2" net pots for I want to think less than 20 cents each Dec 18 23:56:41 I got the bucket lid systems for maybe $1.50 where most sites sell them for 12 bucks each Dec 18 23:57:14 I use thin walled drain pipes which are like 4 bucks for 10 feet Dec 18 23:58:00 I use multiple inexpensive pumps instead of large expensive pumps, I get them from 15 to 20 bucks each, and one pump can usually supply up to 24 or so plants Dec 18 23:58:40 I make my own nutrients from bulk salts, and I can get a years supply for about 40 dollars shipped Dec 18 23:58:59 year supply for non stop growing 50-60 plants Dec 18 23:59:56 I can grow several varieties of lettuce in about 28 days from seed Dec 19 00:00:13 I don't use as high of concentration on lettuces or non fruiting stuff Dec 19 00:01:07 do you do a different mix for grow out vs fruiting on the tomatos? Dec 19 00:01:26 I change my nitrate concentration Dec 19 00:02:14 some varieties of lettuce and greens I can grow more than one per spot, and if I wanted to consistently grow lettuces year round in my smallish greenhouse I could probably churn out 3000 or so heads Dec 19 00:02:39 I just grow enough to supplement our diet though, and stuff that ripens too fast, or if I have too much of something I give it away Dec 19 00:02:47 I grew wayyyyy too much dill and basil earlier this year Dec 19 00:02:52 3000 heads?! how big is the greenhouse? Dec 19 00:02:53 I had about 2.5lbs of dill Dec 19 00:03:19 about 150 sq ft Dec 19 00:04:39 I did a DIY wet wall for negative pressure evaporation to bring the temps down in the summers so lettuce won't bolt Dec 19 00:05:01 http://i.imgur.com/S9vfTP3.jpg Dec 19 00:05:54 and I use 55% UV blocking film to help keep it shaded Dec 19 00:06:16 that is pretty efficient...150 is smaller then a bed room Dec 19 00:06:19 I started all of this on the late part of this summer though Dec 19 00:06:38 doing NFT rails you can go somewhat vertical with lettuce too Dec 19 00:06:40 couldn't you just make the crops seasonal? Dec 19 00:06:54 I could, but everyones seasonal crops die year round here Dec 19 00:06:54 :D Dec 19 00:06:56 hahahaha Dec 19 00:07:02 lettuce/cilantro and other bolting crops in the winter Dec 19 00:07:13 our weather is too extreme Dec 19 00:07:13 then do nonbolting crops in the summer Dec 19 00:07:32 no, not that seasonal...seasonal enough to avoid bolting problems Dec 19 00:07:35 it gets to nearly 120F some days here during the summer Dec 19 00:07:44 well Dec 19 00:07:45 for example Dec 19 00:07:52 most nightshades will tolerate 120F if there is enough water, AFAIK Dec 19 00:08:10 we had two weeks freezing, and then yesterday I went out in the greenhouse and it was 94F Dec 19 00:08:14 had to turn the fans on Dec 19 00:08:27 most winter lettuces will bolt if they have sustained temps above 80 Dec 19 00:08:51 that's sensitive Dec 19 00:09:26 butter crunch and romaine are terrible about bolting Dec 19 00:09:29 this is where the BBB comes in? Dec 19 00:09:39 yeah, but I might be moving soon Dec 19 00:09:50 so I've kind of lost my focus on keeping working on it Dec 19 00:09:55 fancy! I stick with stuff like iceberg :D Dec 19 00:10:13 I mostly grow black seeded simpson because it is very bolt tolerant Dec 19 00:10:28 for a thicker lettuce anyhow Dec 19 00:11:26 we grow a lot of other lettuces Dec 19 00:11:31 at least your area gets cold enough for greens :P Dec 19 00:11:45 we get like 3 months of wx out here that can do greens Dec 19 00:11:49 it doesn't without some planning Dec 19 00:11:51 where are you at? Dec 19 00:11:58 SF Bay area (CA) Dec 19 00:12:00 ahh Dec 19 00:12:05 too damn warm to grown greens :( Dec 19 00:12:09 you can grow greens there Dec 19 00:12:12 for sure Dec 19 00:12:16 not really Dec 19 00:12:19 two guys I talk to in the hydro community are down in san diego Dec 19 00:12:19 everything bolts Dec 19 00:12:27 if you're growing hydro Dec 19 00:12:30 you can use a water chiller Dec 19 00:12:39 if your roots stay cooler it's much slower to bolt Dec 19 00:12:42 I have had 3 inch high lettuce with a foot long seed stock Dec 19 00:12:50 chiller is $$ Dec 19 00:12:56 they are $$$ Dec 19 00:12:58 electricity here is $$$$$ Dec 19 00:13:04 if I move for a job, it's going to be down in FL Dec 19 00:13:09 and I'll have to get a chiller Dec 19 00:13:17 I've avoided it so far by being able to use ground temps Dec 19 00:13:17 or grow tropical stuff Dec 19 00:13:19 but I can't do that here Dec 19 00:13:30 there* Dec 19 00:13:36 maybe you can dig a cellar Dec 19 00:13:39 and pipe in light Dec 19 00:14:52 not down there Dec 19 00:14:58 way too hot Dec 19 00:15:16 it might be a year before I can decide to buy a house there though Dec 19 00:15:27 we'll have to rent until we figure things out Dec 19 00:17:03 Red Giant Mustard, Komatsuna, Mizuna, Arugula, Red Russian Kale, Tatsoi Dec 19 00:17:15 those are some of the things I've had good success with in hydro Dec 19 00:17:28 I have some red giant mustard right now that I keep snapping the largest leaves off of Dec 19 00:18:06 if you have a back yard and can dig in it, I bet you could use the ground for cooling Dec 19 00:18:21 * vagrantc is appreciating all the talk of growing food Dec 19 00:18:46 make a trench and lay some metal pipe in it and then convert it to poly pipe before going into your reservoir, and keep a low volume pump on it Dec 19 00:18:48 nice real-world application! Dec 19 00:18:48 backyard has other problems... Dec 19 00:19:02 mister slug is better at harvesting greens then me Dec 19 00:19:15 ds2: copper foil = no slugs Dec 19 00:19:35 Hello everyone, can't start my bbb. I installed the drivers, but Step 1 and Step 2 do not get checked. Any ideas why is this happening? Dec 19 00:19:36 how do you do that around greens? Dec 19 00:19:41 esp. seedlings Dec 19 00:20:02 ds2: make a square box around the area and put foil on the lip Dec 19 00:20:18 treated 2x4s or rip some cheap fence panels in half Dec 19 00:20:31 you can always find wood thrown away on the side of the road Dec 19 00:20:36 from demos or construction Dec 19 00:21:47 Hello everyone, can't start my bbb. I installed the drivers, but Step 1 and Step 2 do not get checked. Any ideas why is this happening? Dec 19 00:21:58 vagrantc: it's pretty satisfying to grow some of your own food :) Dec 19 00:22:26 pmuno007: are the lights on the BBB working? do you see the device in the device manager? Dec 19 00:22:47 Yes they are. And I do see the device on the manager. Dec 19 00:23:06 Tried on 64 bit and 32 bit Windows but nothing. Dec 19 00:23:44 pmuno007: do you see it as a mass storage controller? Dec 19 00:24:41 Yeah, I see it as if it were a mass storage device. Dec 19 00:25:17 pmuno007: does it not mount as a drive? did you check the storage management snapin to see if it shows up there? also http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started#troubleshooting Dec 19 00:27:00 I mean, I can access it as a storage device called BeagleBone Getting Started. Inside it has all the files, even the start.htm that takes me to that link you just sent me Dec 19 00:27:46 Then, I installed the drivers, but step 1 and 2 don't get checked, and therefore can't launch 192.168.7.2 Dec 19 00:28:32 pmuno007: if you have firewall/ av software it could be blocking the networking Dec 19 00:29:13 ok, thanks for the suggestion. I'll try disabling both. Dec 19 00:29:25 pmuno007: if the mass storage part is working, the device is definitely functioning properly, that all is put out by the BBB Dec 19 00:29:49 alright, let me try disabling my firewall Dec 19 00:31:05 do I need the network cable plugged in for it to work? Dec 19 00:31:15 nope Dec 19 00:31:22 the drivers install usb networking Dec 19 00:31:39 should add a network device in your control panel Dec 19 00:32:02 yeah, its not working Dec 19 00:32:16 windows 7? Dec 19 00:32:46 windows xp Dec 19 00:33:16 ahh Dec 19 00:33:37 and no virtual machines right? Dec 19 00:33:59 no virtual machines Dec 19 00:34:16 what service pack? Dec 19 00:34:24 windows xp requires service pack 3 for the driver to work Dec 19 00:34:37 i have service pack 3 Dec 19 00:34:53 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/qBoJSztuXUI Dec 19 00:35:53 thanks for the link, but I have sp3. So I don't think that's the problem. Dec 19 00:36:32 there are other things people mention Dec 19 00:37:08 I'd check through the group, there's dozens of threads Dec 19 00:37:23 in your device manager though you should see some problem with the networking if it's not loading Dec 19 00:37:24 I'll do that. Thanks for your help thews Dec 19 00:37:27 no problem Dec 19 00:40:12 thews: i've had schemes to set up some sort of chicken coop automation, but haven't gotten past the dreaming phase Dec 19 00:40:48 vagrantc: I buy lots of random stuff in bulk, and then when I get bored I put pieces together, that helps me get things done that I probably wouldn't otherwise Dec 19 00:41:06 vagrantc: having a wife that I have to justify why I bought a bunch of random stuff in bulk to also helps motivate me to actually do it :D Dec 19 00:41:39 heh Dec 19 00:43:00 I have boxes of ICs, header pins, resistors, sensors, capacitors, wires, servos, leds, relays Dec 19 00:43:08 gets to be cluttered sometimes Dec 19 00:43:43 batteries, solar panels, 7 segs, power supplies, lcds Dec 19 00:45:47 I need to buy some more proto boards Dec 19 00:46:21 I can't ever find PTH protoboards for a good deal Dec 19 00:46:58 I've thought about making a seed studio or itead order for PCBs just to make protoboards since they're so expensive elsewhere Dec 19 00:55:09 looks like dx.com has some reasonable prices Dec 19 00:55:13 have to wait forever though.. Dec 19 01:24:17 if you see this on the BBB, it is not kidding Dec 19 01:24:21 Building native extensions. This could take a while... Dec 19 01:34:12 building natively on arm is just insane Dec 19 01:34:32 ratshack's boards aren't that expensive Dec 19 01:34:54 tell that to the god damned imbiciles doing autoconf Dec 19 01:36:03 prpplague: too lazy to figure out how to compile ruby gems remotely right now Dec 19 01:36:18 it's finished finally Dec 19 01:48:46 I'm hvaing reall good luck with sdks made from OE building gnuradio Dec 19 01:48:53 which is a hard cross build Dec 19 01:49:20 way faster builds, kicks the quad A15's ass Dec 19 01:49:28 native on a bione is just nuts :) Dec 19 01:54:56 Crofton|work: who's A15 are you using? Dec 19 01:55:03 odroid-xu Dec 19 01:55:12 I bought one to play with Dec 19 01:57:59 that's exynos, right? Dec 19 02:05:35 yeah, I think so Dec 19 02:11:59 nice looking board Dec 19 02:12:52 how much memory does that board have? Dec 19 02:13:00 2gb Dec 19 02:13:15 evil vendor kernel :( Dec 19 02:13:26 :( Dec 19 02:14:10 there are some cross compile builders Dec 19 02:14:17 I hadn't cared to look before Dec 19 02:14:24 I use OE Dec 19 02:15:03 Crofton|work: what distro do you use? Dec 19 02:15:25 looks like the nodejs and ruby cross compilers use vagrant to make a vm Dec 19 02:15:26 with OE Dec 19 02:15:31 angstrom when I need feeds, but mostly I do not use a distro layer Dec 19 02:15:38 partly because I want to test that case **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 19 02:59:59 2013