**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 07 02:59:58 2014 Jan 07 03:02:32 Hello. Are there any plans to release a pre-built image with a 3.13.x kernel? I've got a TP-LINK TL-WN8200ND I'd like to use, but the USB VID/PID pair isn't in the 3.8.13 rtl8192cu driver. And while I wouldn't mind waiting for a build to finish on the BBB, I don't really want to install all the crossed tools to rebuild one kernel module. Jan 07 03:32:23 halo Jan 07 03:36:53 help me Jan 07 03:36:55 help me Jan 07 04:11:18 hello a;; Jan 07 04:11:47 all Jan 07 04:12:23 lots of people here yet no conversation Jan 07 04:13:00 hello Jan 07 04:13:06 hello Jan 07 04:13:10 what would you like to talk about? Jan 07 04:13:10 hello Jan 07 04:13:15 hi prpplague Jan 07 04:13:20 What's new? Jan 07 04:13:23 would you like to play a game of chess? Jan 07 04:13:32 I only play globalthermonuclearwar Jan 07 04:13:40 but just this once I'll make an exception Jan 07 04:13:50 tictactoe Jan 07 04:14:21 X Jan 07 04:14:29 0 Jan 07 04:14:33 X X Jan 07 04:14:42 xx0 Jan 07 04:14:48 damn it! Jan 07 04:14:55 fine, starting globalthermonuclearwar Jan 07 04:15:38 so what is the BBB good for? I am more of a programmer then a electronics guy Jan 07 04:15:56 stevem: did you read the website? Jan 07 04:16:23 yes I have been running through it for the past two days Jan 07 04:16:27 It's good for embedded Linux development, education, hobby projects, prototyping, etc Jan 07 04:16:39 but I see a lot of single function stuff Jan 07 04:16:57 ok Jan 07 04:17:03 not sure what you mean there Jan 07 04:17:08 are you looking for a server? Jan 07 04:17:11 a phone? Jan 07 04:17:19 I have some lofty ideas of a project I would like to create Jan 07 04:17:27 great! Jan 07 04:18:07 What's holding you up? Jan 07 04:18:24 I mean yeah, there's a lot of single function stuff. So what? Combine it and make something multifunction Jan 07 04:18:34 I would like to build a gieger counter which I do see there is a cape for and I would also like to gather any other environmental data Jan 07 04:18:43 ok Jan 07 04:19:10 there's a weather cape Jan 07 04:19:15 I would then like to have it connect to the closes open wifi connection and send tweets out Jan 07 04:19:21 * mranostay radiates in Jan 07 04:19:21 make sure the capes you get are compatible (ie, don't use the same pins) Jan 07 04:19:42 mranostay is our radioactive man. Jan 07 04:19:57 stevem: all that you say is possible. Jan 07 04:20:07 is the geiger cape for sale yet? Jan 07 04:20:18 alan_o: no and never will be :P Jan 07 04:20:25 oh :( Jan 07 04:20:32 didn't you win the contest? Jan 07 04:20:41 I thought that meant production Jan 07 04:21:41 yea it looks like it, but not sure how it would get all tied together. I also want it to run off of solar power Jan 07 04:22:08 alan_o: was an option to produce it Jan 07 04:22:20 alan_o: problem is the bom for the cape was way too expensive Jan 07 04:22:25 oh Jan 07 04:22:44 stevem: welcome to integration, that's always the hard part :) Jan 07 04:22:59 the thing with thte gieger is that it has to be something someone would not consider to be educational or a toy Jan 07 04:23:14 stevem: why? Jan 07 04:24:26 with all the crap that is coming over from japan i would like to create something that anyone could build and start gathering data across the US Jan 07 04:24:42 * mranostay takes a shot Jan 07 04:24:59 stevem: how does that discount being educational? Jan 07 04:26:08 I would see someone discounting the data and saying it is not acurate Jan 07 04:28:18 stevem: a large number of the arduino geiger kits are being used in japan to monitor radiation patterns Jan 07 04:28:24 I read an artical this morning that says radioactive waste has reached San fransico Jan 07 04:28:24 stevem: very acceptable Jan 07 04:29:05 http://www.libelium.com/fukushima_crowdsourcing_radiation_social_project/ Jan 07 04:29:18 I have only seen plans for one that the guy has in a box Jan 07 04:29:18 yes radio active waste on the west coast of the USA is old news Jan 07 04:29:57 yes, but it has finally hit the new and they are actually reporting it now. Jan 07 04:30:25 I have been hearing is for months here Jan 07 04:30:52 mranostay: is your elc presentation up on the geiger cape? Jan 07 04:31:05 * N2TOH had neighbors who moved to the US from Japan not long before the spill Jan 07 04:31:45 prpplague: yeah has been up for awhile Jan 07 04:31:48 Here in the midwest there is nothing, but I found an artical that reported fall out was detected in michagan Jan 07 04:32:07 mranostay: be so kind as to point stevem to it, hehe Jan 07 04:32:18 * N2TOH live down river from the Limerick generating plant, it leaks all the time Jan 07 04:32:59 stevem: http://free-electrons.com/blog/elce-2012-videos/ Jan 07 04:33:09 lol, we have a few nuck plants here in Minnesota Jan 07 04:33:24 the last time they had a major spill the NRC waited 23 days before telling anybody Jan 07 04:34:08 well that and the last time they did a warning system test it was an embarrassing joke Jan 07 04:34:21 most of the siren/horns were broken Jan 07 04:35:05 stevem: btw if any event happens you'll be dead before you know it Jan 07 04:35:26 depends on your definition of real event Jan 07 04:35:29 esp since the most dangerous radiation you can't detect with a el cheapo geiger counter Jan 07 04:35:45 neutrons baby! Jan 07 04:38:20 I'm just wanting to be able to have a device that would detect this type of info and tweat it out. it could even be detecting acid levels in rain Jan 07 04:39:03 We don't have acid rain anymore Jan 07 04:39:06 haven't heard about that in 20 years Jan 07 04:39:15 back since rainforest stuff was popular in the news. Jan 07 04:39:33 It's all global warming now. Get up to date with your alarmism, man. Jan 07 04:41:27 acid rain is still a real problem in east asia Jan 07 04:41:59 maybe, but they rebuilt the rainforest, I'm pretty sure Jan 07 04:42:20 ya, I think I saw that episode of captain planet where they did that Jan 07 04:42:38 we've always been at war with eastasia Jan 07 04:44:46 always use an umbrella if its raining is eastasia Jan 07 04:45:13 unless you are bald Jan 07 04:45:17 LOL, yea we are on to global warming and it's -16 outside right now Jan 07 04:46:56 stevem, ya, that'll show those "scientists" Jan 07 04:47:02 explain winter! Jan 07 04:47:18 I thought fox news was showing the issues of Duck Dynasty and miley cyrus Jan 07 04:47:26 some people have trouble with statistics and randomness Jan 07 04:48:42 its not random every couple years some disney star goes off the deep end Jan 07 04:48:43 lol Jan 07 04:48:56 12 degrees above average here, friggin 80 today, almost had to turn on the AC Jan 07 04:49:10 Bragger Jan 07 04:49:27 no one has to live in cold ice ville you know Jan 07 04:49:58 yea thats true Jan 07 04:50:47 we had a town that was colder then it was on mars, I hoe there isn't global warming on mars now Jan 07 04:51:28 dude, its colder here than it is on mars right now Jan 07 04:51:32 stevem: http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm Jan 07 04:51:36 its 64F here Jan 07 04:51:43 a warm day on mars can reach 70F Jan 07 04:51:53 who makes this "colder then it was on mars" shit up? Jan 07 04:52:23 or are you talking about the lowest temp on mars? Did CO₂ freeze? Jan 07 04:57:42 I think it had to do with the temp sent back from the rover. When I mentioned global warming on mars I was just making it up, I had no idea someone had already stated that. Jan 07 04:59:14 I think your primary problem would be that even if you were breathing pure oxygen, there wouldn't be enough pressure for your tissues to absorb it Jan 07 04:59:40 That happens at quite low comparative altitudes on earth Jan 07 05:00:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong%27s_limit Jan 07 05:00:54 40,000 feet Jan 07 05:01:11 http://www.weather.com/video/the-road-is-covered-inaahhh-43027 Jan 07 05:02:45 I'm having trouble getting a uImage (instead of a zImage) to fall out of a `bitbake virtual/kernel'. Kernel version seems to be 3.8.x in a fresh checkout of the angstrom setup-scripts. Not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Jan 07 05:03:41 Using MACHINE=beaglebone. Jan 07 05:25:09 goodnight world Jan 07 05:34:45 nice. i was really stressed because i can’t find a beafglbone black anywhere in the country Jan 07 05:35:00 i have 2 but i fried the PMIC, which you can’t buy in small quantities Jan 07 05:35:14 but TI sent me some for free, hopefully at least one is fixable Jan 07 05:38:43 yay \o/ Jan 07 05:39:03 can't imagine it's fun to de/resolder one of those things though Jan 07 05:41:53 yeah, hopefully it’s only the pmic Jan 07 05:42:15 but i fried the 2 in 2 different circumstances so it’s likely at least one is fixable Jan 07 05:44:46 Do you have a hot air rework station johnwalkr? Jan 07 05:45:20 i don’t but i can find one at my university i’m sure Jan 07 05:45:47 maybe even someone to do it for me Jan 07 05:48:49 oh lol i see people were talking about radiation levels in japan Jan 07 06:59:40 help me Jan 07 06:59:50 how to flash BBB? Jan 07 07:00:02 q can't login Jan 07 07:02:37 'morning tito_ Jan 07 07:02:47 you mean you can't ssh to BBB? Jan 07 07:06:20 tito_: you mean change the OS on the BBB? like -> http://learn.adafruit.com/beaglebone-black-installing-operating-systems Jan 07 07:08:00 tito_: this exemple is not complet, you can also install http://archlinuxarm.org/ as OS for your BBB Jan 07 07:08:52 tito_: this page have more example on that point http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#10Pin_Connector Jan 07 07:13:03 Hi all, I have a question that I have a beaglebone black that is running linux, After I set up a root password, the files inside of the SD card just disappeared. Jan 07 07:13:21 When I delete the password, I find them again, can any one help me? Jan 07 07:15:28 have you set a user? Jan 07 07:15:45 and then switch on the sdcard? Jan 07 07:17:39 morning Jan 07 07:19:16 i am the root user Jan 07 07:19:40 i tried to plug and unplug the SD card, still no effect Jan 07 07:20:25 * aurelien have no idea about that point ... sry ... someone of the BBB project should know ;-D Jan 07 07:21:11 ZyBlue, you don't see the sdcard in the /mnt/ ?? Jan 07 07:29:49 hmm bbb does not seems to like 23" screen :-/ Jan 07 08:03:36 and there is also the famous ROS http://beagleros.wordpress.com/ Jan 07 08:03:54 which make me ask why ROS is not the default on BBB? Jan 07 08:05:18 why should it be? Jan 07 08:09:00 LetoThe2nd: maybe because ROS offer by default solution for robotics Jan 07 08:09:43 aurelien: and why would the default user want solutions for robotics? Jan 07 08:10:30 aurelien: hint: do not mistake your preferred field of application for the rest of the world's. Jan 07 08:10:41 it should be fine to know why default user buy bbb Jan 07 08:11:07 but i agree your point of view Jan 07 08:11:14 angstrom seems very light Jan 07 08:12:54 i'm not judging anything. just the "why is this and that not the default" has usually to be though of very well. and not only because somebody has a personal preferences. Jan 07 08:15:25 the question was not well formed ... the question should be better as : What is the goals of people who buy bbb? what do they want to do with? do we have statistic about that point? and then why the choice of angstrom? Jan 07 08:16:55 AFAIK the main point is that angstrom was already around and in a reliable state when the beagleboard originated. Jan 07 08:17:04 ok Jan 07 08:17:55 whereas the ros layer you just mentioned is available since a few months, AFAICS Jan 07 08:18:14 do not worry i am not a ROS defender ... personnally i which for a Parabola ARM solution ;-) Jan 07 08:19:09 go ahead, nobody's stopping you from craking out yet-another-image Jan 07 08:20:21 sure ... but no, not enough time to launch anything Jan 07 08:28:13 http://vmayoral.github.io/beagle-ros/ <- ROS sounds to be installable in the angstrom as a simple pack not as an image by itself Jan 07 08:28:48 aurelien: no, its a layer to build the image yourself- Jan 07 08:29:16 oh ok ok ... thanks! Jan 07 08:30:03 there is no already build/downloadable ROS.img for BBB? Jan 07 09:08:30 Hello everybody! Jan 07 10:46:08 Hi ! and happy new year for everyone :) . I discover the BBB last month and I started to "play" with it. I have a problem now. I have seen the pins name for the BBB and I don't see Gpio 1 for example or Gpio6. Do you know where are these pins ? Jan 07 10:55:48 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo Jan 07 10:56:06 sorry... not meant for this... copy paste error :-( Jan 07 10:57:18 I have a query on using jtag on BBB... looks like the jatg connector is not populated on this board to save money... can someone elaborate more on how to use jtag on BBB ? Jan 07 11:00:05 im sure you can find that info somewhere on google.. Jan 07 11:00:42 if anything take a look at the BBW's SRM sence i think it uses jtag Jan 07 11:01:42 sks: on the BBB.... 1) populate header 2) use with jtag probe of your choice ;) Jan 07 11:05:21 I am bit of confused as i am not clear about what they meant by "jtag over USB" in the normal beagle bone.... I have used openocd with Olimex jtag which also is basically a jtag to USb converter... Jan 07 11:06:12 sks: yes, the original beaglebone included basically such a converter. the BBB does not. Jan 07 11:06:27 when you say beaglebone has inbuilt jtag, does that mean that it contains hw similiar to olimex jtag inbuilt... Jan 07 11:06:34 ahhh ok.. ok Jan 07 11:07:19 so that means I can use my olimex usb jtag with the BBB just by populating the jTAG pins on the BBB side... is that correct ? Jan 07 11:07:35 roughly, yes. Jan 07 11:08:21 LetoThe2nd: you mean something more is needed apart from this ? Jan 07 11:08:55 sks: probably some cable tinkering first, and i have no idea about the jtag config Jan 07 11:09:01 can you pls explain more... my decision to buy BBB depends on this and jtag is must for me Jan 07 11:09:42 sks: the header on the BBB is not 0.1" sized, hence the pure physics might be a bit ... challenging :) Jan 07 11:09:45 Is there noone in the community using openocd on BBB... its quite a few months old now Jan 07 11:10:13 hmmm got ur point ;) Jan 07 11:10:45 most people just run linux, not many people need jtag. we have a working bootloader, hence the need for jtag seldom arises. Jan 07 11:11:38 I'm buying this board for learning kernel porting and driver development... do you think its a good platform for this ? Jan 07 11:12:14 about as good as any other platform that does not require binary blob magic Jan 07 11:12:57 but there's little fun in driver development on a platform that has drivers for all peripherals already ;) Jan 07 11:13:07 I mean for example can I find easy documentation on how to disable a particular driver, so that I can tinker with kernel and recompile and flash it ? Jan 07 11:13:37 *sigh* Jan 07 11:13:53 better learn the basics first. write a module, load it, unload it. Jan 07 11:14:10 you really don't need hardware nor jtag for that. Jan 07 11:15:04 that I have been doing on mini2440... but I do not find enough docs about kernel ports and drivers on samsung platforms... i guess TI has better support tha samsung Jan 07 11:15:15 and you can even learn it in qemu, with a gdb interface. Jan 07 11:15:32 yes... but hardware is the real fun rt / Jan 07 11:15:40 whatever. Jan 07 11:15:47 have tried all above... Jan 07 11:15:56 ;) Jan 07 11:17:37 ok... one last thing before you start swearing at me... whats the latest revision on BBB ? Jan 07 11:17:44 :-) Jan 07 11:26:12 is it just me or is ordering from RS a giant pain in the ass? Jan 07 11:41:30 it's a pain... Jan 07 11:46:35 <_SY_> Hello, is anyone here today? Jan 07 11:50:41 I don't want to pay *over the phone* with a credit card, come on people, it's 2014 ... Jan 07 12:21:24 lee, I agree. Jan 07 12:26:15 lee: pay with credit card? come on! it's 2014, we have a working banking system! Jan 07 12:26:49 lol? working banking system? Where do you live? Jan 07 12:27:15 haha Jan 07 12:27:15 he lives where thats actually true ;) Jan 07 12:27:23 exactly :) Jan 07 12:36:49 over the phone? Jan 07 12:36:54 you dont have internet? Jan 07 12:37:41 via acoustic coupler perhaps :) Jan 07 12:38:39 I ordered online, the only option to pay with a card was "credit card (we'll call you NBD to take payment)", no online card payment option Jan 07 12:38:46 heck, it would be nice if some of these places accepted PayPal. Jan 07 12:39:18 lee: where do you live? Jan 07 12:39:33 .je Jan 07 12:39:47 ordering via the export site so I don't have to pay vat Jan 07 12:40:15 well, I guess they dont trust third world countries :) Jan 07 12:40:21 well, THere's your problem Jan 07 12:40:44 dodging taxes, as is the custom of my people ;) Jan 07 12:40:50 * KotH wouldnt trust germans either Jan 07 12:40:56 xactly Jan 07 12:50:03 hey guyz... what is needed to do ajtag debug session on beaglebone... clearly no HW as such... but if I do not use CCS then how do we do it ? Jan 07 12:58:09 sks: well, if you want to do a jtag debug session, you will need at least jtag hardware Jan 07 12:58:45 sks: your jtag hardware needs to provide a gdb server for gdb to connect to Jan 07 12:59:04 sks: but you dont need that unless you want to debug bootloader or the kernel itself Jan 07 13:00:59 but original beaglebone(white one) contains jtag HW inbuilt rt ? Jan 07 13:05:49 did it? Jan 07 13:05:59 * KotH does not know Jan 07 13:06:23 i know it contained an ftdi for the serial connection, dunno whether it connected to the jtag pins as well Jan 07 13:10:17 You need to add a connector to the bottom of the BBB board for JTAG connection. Jan 07 13:11:18 BBW has jtag via FTDI Jan 07 13:11:19 BBB has not Jan 07 14:05:04 how to generate binary image from own tiny OS for BB-xm? we are trying to make own OS & running on BB-xm.. Thanks Jan 07 14:10:55 Os1 cross-compile OR compile it on the device Jan 07 14:11:42 native compiling Jan 07 14:12:49 (compiling on the device) Jan 07 14:12:54 when you say binary image...? Jan 07 14:13:25 like a image of the whole OS? Jan 07 14:13:48 y Jan 07 14:14:32 i use a command called 'dd' to copy a image off SDcard and back Jan 07 14:15:04 http://blog.bmatusiak.us/backup-and-restore-image-files/ Jan 07 14:30:29 I've got news that the BBB is out of stock at major electronics resellers... any clues? Jan 07 14:31:21 dwery: christmas? Jan 07 14:38:39 you mean....it has been used for xmas lights? :D Jan 07 14:40:50 dwery, simple: demand > supply over a holiday... Jan 07 15:07:10 dwery: my problem too :( Jan 07 15:07:40 the vendor in japan said none till april (!) Jan 07 15:07:42 i hope it’s not true Jan 07 15:09:00 uhm.. I could sell mine on the black market! Jan 07 15:09:40 the only one i could find is on amazon for $120 Jan 07 15:09:44 so maybe you could Jan 07 15:50:11 why does my beaglebone a5 not recognize my usb hub reliably Jan 07 15:57:13 powered hub? Jan 07 16:08:47 Hello, does anyone know how to use the beaegle bone black for making a hardware firewall? Jan 07 16:09:57 run software on it? Jan 07 16:10:06 Yes Jan 07 16:10:11 <[olli]> ) Jan 07 16:10:22 Sunil_, you'd either have to add a second ethernet port, or use vlans on the on-board one Jan 07 16:10:47 Can i add a ethernet hub to it? Jan 07 16:10:59 fpga cape for hardware firewall Jan 07 16:12:06 Mdp, Can u elaborate please? Jan 07 16:12:14 <[olli]> no. Hub is an external iterface and not managed by OS. THough you may use cisco or other vlan enabled hardware. Jan 07 16:12:18 Sunil_, what's a hub going to do? Jan 07 16:12:37 Sunil_, for h/w firewall, implement it in fpga Jan 07 16:13:02 i thought it could support two devices. My bad..i dont know much..i am doin it for my final year project Jan 07 16:14:18 figures Jan 07 16:14:32 mdp, can u suggest a few? Jan 07 16:15:32 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1575992013/logi-fpga-development-board-for-raspberry-pi-beagl Jan 07 16:15:54 that is only one! Jan 07 16:15:56 https://www.google.com/search?q=fpga Jan 07 16:15:59 there, a few Jan 07 16:17:38 ok..i had done implemented a digital code lock on a spartan 3e fpga last year, but found it too cumbersome. i'l look into these. Can u guys suggest any evaluation boards for the same? Jan 07 16:17:45 koen, try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHlPgfcNJwA .. we split that last night..outstanding Jan 07 16:17:47 heh Jan 07 16:19:10 av500, thx ;) Jan 07 16:21:36 most of them are expensive. Is there any board under 200$? Jan 07 16:22:03 with our without sales tax? Jan 07 16:22:30 without Jan 07 16:25:46 you mean hardware as in each end user doesn’t have to install software right? Jan 07 16:26:01 yes, Exactly! Jan 07 16:26:15 as in "it looked good on the project description" Jan 07 16:26:56 i aim to implement it in the cheapest possible way so that it is an alternative to the already expensive ones in the market. Jan 07 16:27:34 it should be plug and play Jan 07 16:27:37 Sunil_: buy a tplink router and load dd-wrt/open-wrt onto it. done. Jan 07 16:28:12 is it similar to ip cop? Jan 07 16:28:38 it is a small cheap device that has two seperate network ports. software is what you make of it. Jan 07 16:28:52 yeah there are already very cheap (like $10) devices that do this Jan 07 16:29:16 can u send a few links of the same to get a better ideaa? Jan 07 16:29:26 this "ipcop" thing is probably just a standard linux + iptables anyways. Jan 07 16:29:28 dd-wrt is a good starting point Jan 07 16:29:49 i mean as a project you can certainly learn a lot Jan 07 16:29:54 and dd-wrt/open-wrt are also linuxes running iptables. so what. Jan 07 16:30:27 Sunil_: well it's your project, you got some buzzword. i think you can do a some homework too (that means: no, i'm not gonna search links for you.) Jan 07 16:30:31 but in terms of convincing your prof or someone that there is a breakthrough in cheap, fast firewalls, probably not Jan 07 16:31:23 ; Sure bro! thanks a lot for the info. Jan 07 16:31:49 Sunil_: i certainly am not your "bro". Jan 07 16:32:02 LetoThe2nd: sis? Jan 07 16:32:08 Sunil_: i know my family pretty well and i'm sure you're not part of it :P Jan 07 16:32:15 haha..ok..sorry Jan 07 16:32:23 LetoThe2nd, no detergent in your relatives ? Jan 07 16:33:04 * LetoThe2nd sings some Meat Loaf for ogra_ "... it leaves a stain on all your clothes, and no detergent gets it out..." Jan 07 16:33:11 lol Jan 07 16:33:29 guys...lets not deviate Jan 07 16:33:40 lets not Jan 07 16:33:44 why not? i like meat loaf. meat loaves, too. Jan 07 16:33:45 stay focussed Jan 07 16:33:52 ++ Jan 07 16:33:53 on the cause Jan 07 16:33:57 meat loaf FTW Jan 07 16:34:00 Do any .us distributors have BBB in stock?!? Jan 07 16:34:05 focus Jan 07 16:34:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsnkVrhNiyM Jan 07 16:34:28 ++ Jan 07 16:34:49 av500: ++ Jan 07 16:35:35 av500: i feel more like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaqHdu4-4cA though Jan 07 16:35:37 * KotH focuses on going home Jan 07 16:37:58 Anyone good with angstrom builds? I'm having trouble getting a uImage (instead of a zImage) to fall out of a `bitbake virtual/kernel'. Kernel version seems to be 3.8.x in a fresh checkout of the angstrom setup-scripts. MACHINE=beaglebone. Jan 07 16:40:45 not in us either mdp ? Jan 07 16:43:29 not that I see..adafruit claims 5-10 days to stock Jan 07 16:44:57 somebody is hoarding them Jan 07 16:45:00 likebitcoins Jan 07 16:45:04 like bitcoins Jan 07 16:45:14 hopefully 5 days Jan 07 16:45:26 the japanese vendor says april D: Jan 07 16:46:38 demand must be far higher than for RPi ;) Jan 07 16:47:22 do they sell RPi @ Radio Shack? Jan 07 16:47:37 emeb: yea Jan 07 16:47:49 emeb: makershed put both bbb and RPi in at the same time Jan 07 16:48:01 emeb: both are sold at microcenter as well Jan 07 16:48:11 MattRichardson has reported that RPi is at RS..so it's true Jan 07 16:48:13 Equality! Jan 07 16:48:20 but not justice Jan 07 16:58:09 are there usb devices that the beaglebone just doesn't like Jan 07 16:58:44 like I have a powered logitech usb hub that just disappears sometimes Jan 07 17:06:37 a list of perferred devices is maintained... Jan 07 17:08:35 http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBone#USB_2.0_Powered_Hubs Jan 07 17:32:47 I also have a rtl8192cu wifi dongle that even crashes the kernel Jan 07 17:33:01 the heartbeat stops blinking Jan 07 17:33:06 after a while Jan 07 18:33:43 Hey, I have an LCD4 Cape (touchscreen) and an RS232 cape, and I can't get the LCD4 cape to work when the RS232 cape is plugged in. Is this because of a pin conflict? And if so, is there any way around this? Jan 07 18:40:10 have you tried changing the jumpers on the rs232 cape .. and/or checked you have different cape addresses on the DIP switches on yuor capes Jan 07 18:41:23 I've tried changing the jumpers and taking them off alltogether Jan 07 18:41:42 And I'm not sure how to do that second thing Jan 07 18:43:09 are you using the bb-black? Jan 07 18:43:21 No, just the beaglebone Jan 07 18:43:38 *phew* that seems to double-complicate things! Jan 07 18:45:27 I'm assuming each cape works fine on its own? Jan 07 18:45:49 is there any detail on how much heat the BBB generates under full load? specifically, can you stick it in a sealed box and not worry about it overheating? Jan 07 18:46:18 The LCD4 cape works fine, I haven't yet tested the RS232 cape as I just got it Jan 07 18:46:37 I guess that would make sense though Jan 07 18:47:02 dhamilt9: there should be a couple of switches on one corner of each cape .. these need to be different combinations of on/off for the capes to interact Jan 07 18:47:22 brb Jan 07 18:51:29 dhamilt9 .. any joy on the rs232 cape yet? Jan 07 18:54:00 dhamilt9 .. any joy on the rs232 cape yet? Jan 07 18:54:44 Not yet, still looking for a serial cable to hook up so I can test Jan 07 18:54:54 lee: assuming a 5V/2A power supply input .. that gives you a potential max heat input of 10W .. depending on your ambient conditions, this could be dissipated fairly easily Jan 07 18:55:00 I found the switches, should I just try all combinations of on/off? Jan 07 18:55:26 dhamilt9: just make sure they're different for now for the two capes .. so that the beagle cape-manager can find them Jan 07 18:56:07 ambient conditions are going to be pretty warm... but the case is a giant steel heatsink Jan 07 18:56:48 lee: define "pretty warm" .. are we talking 80'C or ... Jan 07 18:57:07 stt_michael: that worked! Thanks so much for your help! Jan 07 18:57:15 dh: grand, no problem Jan 07 18:57:16 hrm, probably around 50C max Jan 07 18:57:50 lee: rougly how large enclosure? Jan 07 18:59:28 15" monitor + maybe 2" either side, so reasonably big Jan 07 19:00:22 but then there's heat from the monitor to consider too. hrm. Jan 07 19:01:16 monitors don't tend to get much above 40ish .. beagle board should run fairly happily up to 75-80'C . which is Hot. Jan 07 19:01:41 guess we can suck it and see Jan 07 19:01:41 so I'd imagine you'll probably be ok Jan 07 19:01:55 probably cost around £1500 Jan 07 19:04:36 lee: where's it all going? Jan 07 19:07:09 into a kitchen Jan 07 19:07:18 likely next to a large rack of gas burners Jan 07 19:07:36 mm nice! Jan 07 19:09:02 dunno how much the monitor will like that :) Jan 07 19:09:48 well the current ones have lasted 12 years (the external PSUs not so much) and are just now starting to fail Jan 07 19:10:31 barring the occasional staff member trying to clean it with a brillo pad and destroying it in the process Jan 07 19:10:38 lol oops! Jan 07 19:10:48 yeeeah. was not impressed with that. Jan 07 19:13:03 shouldn't think it'd be a problem though .. you'd do pretty well to make it run flat out for a long time Jan 07 19:28:54 I seem to be unable to connect to the beaglebone black via USB. I can plug it into my gentoo laptop, but it doesn't create a new ethernet interface I can ssh over. Jan 07 19:29:18 Am I missing an undocumented kernel driver? Jan 07 19:29:25 it won't be an 'ethernet' connection per-se Jan 07 19:29:36 what do you get if you type 'ifconfig -a' Jan 07 19:29:50 eno1, lo, ppp2, tun0, wwp0s29u1u1i1 Jan 07 19:30:03 the ppp2 is my t-mobile cell stick. Jan 07 19:30:12 tun0 is an openvpn tunnel. Jan 07 19:31:28 do you have any physical lan connections? Jan 07 19:31:37 that would be the eno1 Jan 07 19:31:48 I don't have it plugged in since I am not at home. Jan 07 19:31:48 I should imagine that the sshd won't listen by default on every interface Jan 07 19:32:03 certainly those it doesn't 'see' at boot time Jan 07 19:32:21 these are the interfaces on my laptop Jan 07 19:32:35 I haven't been able to connect to the beaglebone black to see its interfaces yet. Jan 07 19:33:08 I've always connected by ethernet .. but thats the obvious answer :p Jan 07 19:34:01 Weird. All the "getting started" guides say "install the linux driver" which is just a udev rule that loads the ftdi_sio driver, which another article says the beaglebone black doesn't have. Jan 07 19:34:17 no .. it doesn't Jan 07 19:34:21 you're using the black, yes Jan 07 19:34:26 correct. Jan 07 19:34:38 tried: http://learn.adafruit.com/ssh-to-beaglebone-black-over-usb/overview Jan 07 19:35:17 My friend with a mac just plugs in the USB cable and is able to SSH to it. Jan 07 19:35:45