**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 16 02:59:59 2014 Jan 16 04:47:32 By default the speed of I2C in BBB is100Khz.How can i change the speed to 400Khz? Jan 16 05:44:37 hi. can anyone help me in writing ubuntu armhf image for beaglenbone in 8GB microSD card. Jan 16 05:45:57 after writing the image, eventhough the card is 8GB, I can see the free space as just 1 GB. I used win32 to write the image Jan 16 05:46:41 also made 2 partitions of 2GB Fat32 and 5 GB ext3 Jan 16 06:07:15 beagle13, I am new to the BBB myself so I hate to make a suggestion for fear that it won't be correct. But I expect that your image is 1G and since your media is larger if you want to expand it to fill the entire space then you would need to call resize2fs on it and let it expand to full partition size. Jan 16 06:09:01 beagle13, But if you needed windows to write the image then you probably don't have resize2fs available there. You should be able to use the onboard eMMC system to fix up the 8G external card. Jan 16 09:33:47 hello Jan 16 09:34:55 anyone else who can help me? Jan 16 09:35:09 maybe, ask a question Jan 16 09:35:14 thx Jan 16 09:35:53 when I boot my BBB without computer, I cannot start my 'C code'. Jan 16 09:39:24 I mean,,, how can I auto-start the Code as soon as booting BBB. Jan 16 09:39:46 Indhelp: standard bbb distro uses systemd Jan 16 09:39:52 Indhelp: read the systemd documentation Jan 16 09:41:22 I don't know what you said.. what is the systemd documentation? Jan 16 09:46:22 Indhelp the documentation for the init service called systemd Jan 16 09:46:26 hi koth Jan 16 09:46:42 hey woglinde Jan 16 09:46:43 koth are you going to fosdem? Jan 16 09:46:53 yes, i'll be there Jan 16 09:46:56 including chocolate :) Jan 16 09:47:03 +1 Jan 16 09:47:07 fine fine Jan 16 09:47:11 so we will met Jan 16 09:47:13 hey woglinde, how's hipster paradise? Jan 16 09:47:20 rainy Jan 16 09:47:27 +1 Jan 16 09:48:59 I will be stuff the oe booth, but not the whole time Jan 16 09:49:41 KotH: can you bring little surplus schoggi for $SO? Jan 16 09:50:01 LetoThe2nd: get in the line! Jan 16 09:50:21 av500: i am a god emperor, thereby the line is defined by me. Jan 16 09:50:36 its a line in the sand indeed Jan 16 09:50:54 LetoThe2nd: i'll buy to order :) Jan 16 09:51:23 av500, woglinde, LetoThe2nd: just tell me what kind of chocolate you want Jan 16 09:51:24 KotH: just any 200g or such of standard swiss milk chocolate will do fine. Jan 16 09:51:53 LetoThe2nd: i charge extra for small quantities ;) Jan 16 09:52:06 KotH: then raise order ;) Jan 16 09:52:21 and there aint such thing as "standard swiss milk chocolate" Jan 16 09:52:33 oh whatever. Jan 16 09:52:37 just bring schoggi. Jan 16 09:53:04 LetoThe2nd: what kind of chocolate do you want? pralines? plates? with/wihtout nuts, fruit, rasins? Jan 16 09:53:16 with beer Jan 16 09:53:20 plates with nothing extra in it. "standard." Jan 16 09:53:27 av500: thats for me, not for $SO Jan 16 09:53:34 ah Jan 16 09:53:38 av500: you shouldnt let mranostay at your kbd Jan 16 09:53:40 KotH: with no calories then Jan 16 09:53:50 lol Jan 16 09:54:00 but organic! Jan 16 09:54:04 and fair! Jan 16 09:54:08 no metal? Jan 16 09:54:13 add "free and open" for woglinde Jan 16 09:54:16 er.. sorry, metäl of course Jan 16 09:54:26 KotH: hrhr Jan 16 09:58:47 hm hm Jan 16 09:59:02 I will get some walkers chip Jan 16 09:59:33 so I do not know if I need schoggi Jan 16 09:59:45 you always need schoggi Jan 16 10:00:00 if you think you dont need it, then you just dont know yet that you need it Jan 16 10:03:19 This is a same problem that I have.. but I do not know what the answer means..This is the link :: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/6G5FsI5_7UE Jan 16 10:04:46 Indhelp: it means that you need to take a day to learn linux basics Jan 16 10:05:03 Indhelp: then the answer should become obvious Jan 16 10:05:40 T.T Jan 16 10:05:41 Indhelp: sorry if this sounds arrogant, but there is no way around knowing some of the basics of linux if you are doing embedded linux stuff Jan 16 10:07:10 KotH thx a lot : ) Jan 16 10:09:05 np Jan 16 10:09:18 sorry that i dont have any link to something that covers this material Jan 16 10:09:33 i'm quite sure there is something out there, but i cant find anything half way usable at the moment Jan 16 10:17:24 2 methods here: http://robotic-controls.com/learn/beaglebone/beaglebone-black-angstrom Jan 16 10:23:59 johnwalkr: thx I'll try it!! Jan 16 12:48:19 hi, are there any solutions to adding an addition USB to the BBB? Jan 16 12:48:25 without a hub Jan 16 12:49:08 you can switch the device port to a host port I guess Jan 16 12:49:26 some soldering needed Jan 16 12:49:50 http://pansenti.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/the-horribly-hacked-beaglebone-black-with-dual-usb-host-ports-aka-frankenbone-its-alive/ Jan 16 12:50:26 http://pansenti.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/beaglebone-black-with-two-usb-host-ports-it-can-be-done-but-its-not-easy/ Jan 16 12:50:36 yea i see that one Jan 16 12:50:39 looks nasty Jan 16 12:50:43 no Jan 16 12:52:24 one of those joints looks near impossible for me Jan 16 12:52:41 BBB why 1 usb, jesus thats useless Jan 16 12:52:50 ? Jan 16 12:52:53 cant even plug in a keyboard and mouse lol Jan 16 12:53:01 use usb hub, lol Jan 16 12:53:02 hint: its not a PC Jan 16 12:53:05 lol Jan 16 12:53:14 av500 psst Jan 16 12:53:14 i have a usb hub btw, but for what i'm using it for its no good Jan 16 12:53:17 too many cables Jan 16 12:53:20 lol? Jan 16 12:53:25 LOL Jan 16 12:53:27 solder the hub down Jan 16 12:53:31 use shorter cables Jan 16 12:53:33 stop whining Jan 16 12:53:39 use wireless cables Jan 16 12:53:41 av500, not a PC ? cant be .... it runs ubuntu Jan 16 12:53:53 ogra_: in 2015? Jan 16 12:54:05 no, in rcn-ee's world Jan 16 12:54:39 convercng-eence? Jan 16 12:54:41 bah, i messed up the joke, right ? Jan 16 12:54:53 no Jan 16 12:55:02 :) Jan 16 12:55:05 av500, what % of people using a BBB do you think need to use a hub Jan 16 12:55:15 it has usb Jan 16 12:55:36 how much would it have costed to the device to add 2 like RPI ? Jan 16 12:55:46 a lot Jan 16 12:55:51 a hub would have been needed Jan 16 12:56:06 why dont you buy a pi instead? Jan 16 12:56:35 want BBB for the better CPI Jan 16 12:56:36 CPU Jan 16 12:56:48 how much cost though? Jan 16 12:56:59 just out of interest, for them to have added a hub Jan 16 12:56:59 no idea Jan 16 12:57:14 why force extra cost on everybody? Jan 16 12:57:18 you can easily add a hub Jan 16 12:57:25 because its fucking useful Jan 16 12:57:32 to some Jan 16 12:57:34 you cant easily add it Jan 16 12:57:39 in the space they could have on the board Jan 16 12:58:15 other ask for a 2nd ethernet port Jan 16 12:58:20 we should add that too Jan 16 12:58:30 I want a DB9 serial port Jan 16 12:58:33 add that as well Jan 16 12:58:36 SATA anybody? Jan 16 12:58:50 nope Jan 16 12:58:57 each of these is cheap Jan 16 12:58:58 and HDMI *and* displayport ... need dual monitor ! Jan 16 12:59:05 and VGA Jan 16 12:59:08 indeed Jan 16 12:59:14 BeagleBone is an $89 MSRP, credit-card-sized Linux computer that connects to the Internet and runs software such as Android 4.0 and Ubuntu. Jan 16 12:59:21 $45 Jan 16 12:59:40 for the black Jan 16 12:59:45 you have $44 for a hub Jan 16 12:59:48 hint: its not a PC Jan 16 12:59:56 then dont market it as one Jan 16 12:59:57 yes Jan 16 13:00:00 I dont Jan 16 13:00:00 usb hubs are very cheap :) Jan 16 13:00:08 look, i have a BBB, and a hub Jan 16 13:00:09 it says linux computer Jan 16 13:00:14 i'm whining about the space Jan 16 13:00:15 yeah, you can have multiple for $44 Jan 16 13:00:19 trying to use this inside a device Jan 16 13:00:36 there are small hubs Jan 16 13:00:40 be creative Jan 16 13:00:41 i have one Jan 16 13:01:02 i also need all angled connectors, and certain sized length cable, soldering mini usb is horrible Jan 16 13:01:03 there are hubs that are small enough to fold into the footprint of the BBB Jan 16 13:01:18 the fact is, this would cost me a fortune, whereas they could have easily at low cost added another USB Jan 16 13:01:39 as said Jan 16 13:01:46 everybody demands something else Jan 16 13:01:49 costs adds up Jan 16 13:01:52 etc.. Jan 16 13:01:57 i'm sure this a common gripe though Jan 16 13:02:06 gripes abound Jan 16 13:03:10 my project needs rounded connectors Jan 16 13:03:12 get a kbd with builtin hub Jan 16 13:03:21 add your mouse there Jan 16 13:03:55 bitnumus: I don't need more usb ports, fwiw Jan 16 13:04:03 I am happy the way ti is Jan 16 13:04:09 And you can easily extend it yourself Jan 16 13:04:13 What more is there to say Jan 16 13:04:36 i should have bought a different board Jan 16 13:04:40 yes Jan 16 13:04:50 spin your own Jan 16 13:04:53 but we never lied about the number of USB ports Jan 16 13:04:56 no? Jan 16 13:04:58 Has anyone tried using Segger JLink on BBB? When running it, BBB resets and it doesn't find anything on the chain. Jan 16 13:05:35 av500, the mechanicals are all downloadable as well...nothing is hidden Jan 16 13:05:55 information wants to be free Jan 16 13:08:30 bitnumus: if you cant solder it yourself, im sure you can find somebody who can Jan 16 13:08:37 as said, be creative Jan 16 13:11:37 are you aware of any suppliers (UK or ships to) that sell 'raw' usb cables, so connectors pre-wired and unsheathed? Jan 16 13:11:51 getting this done custom is going to be far from cheap Jan 16 13:12:48 raw what? Jan 16 13:12:56 just cut a cable Jan 16 13:13:13 presoldered Jan 16 13:13:23 ? Jan 16 13:13:26 i'm unable to do this miniUSB i think, i'll give it a go but i doubt it Jan 16 13:13:46 get a mini usb cable Jan 16 13:13:52 and a cable with A socket Jan 16 13:13:56 cut both and join Jan 16 13:14:21 or get a USB A connector, they are large enough to solder Jan 16 13:16:09 yeah i don’t see the problem, there are lots of solutions to using 2 usb devices Jan 16 13:17:02 hub being the easiest, in my case i soldered to the board because usb connector was too long to fit in my application Jan 16 13:17:13 my space constraints are quite extreme though, i have all the bits in front of me and its not a simple Jan 16 13:17:33 i can pretty much garantee mine were smaller Jan 16 13:17:39 maybe a different hub with usbA would be best then Jan 16 13:17:44 o yea? Jan 16 13:17:48 :D Jan 16 13:17:50 there are hubs built into cables Jan 16 13:18:21 mine really is the smallest i could find Jan 16 13:18:30 its the angled that are a problem Jan 16 13:18:38 and as you say the connectors, which i've stripped all of Jan 16 13:19:21 well my solution when i needed 2 devices was this: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B000IB14NS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AN1VRQENFRJN5 Jan 16 13:19:35 cut all the ends of, and solder directly to BBB on one end and devices on the other Jan 16 13:20:11 yea the board i have here would be just as small Jan 16 13:20:15 guess i need to get better at soldering then Jan 16 13:20:37 tbh micro and mini usb plugs are bulky no matter what Jan 16 13:20:51 http://www.misco.co.uk/Product/192650/C2G-USB-2-0-2-Port-Passive-Hub-UK Jan 16 13:20:59 which is why i came up with that solution Jan 16 13:21:37 there is one other thing that i don’t really recommend which is modifying the BBB to have 2 host usb ports Jan 16 13:21:45 http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1318555 Jan 16 13:21:58 http://www.yoctopuce.com/EN/products/extensions-and-networking/micro-usb-hub Jan 16 13:22:08 oh, swiss Jan 16 13:22:26 oh cool av500 that last link is very useful Jan 16 13:22:52 haha what a coincidence Jan 16 13:22:57 the connectors they use are the exact ones i use Jan 16 13:23:43 that link has solder pads but a related produt has a tiny connector Jan 16 13:51:33 Hello Beagles :) Jan 16 14:08:54 Hello, when i try to set pins high on the GPIO, the LED i have connected to the pin to check its state will turn off again by itsself. Sometimes it take 5 seconds, sometimes 0.5, sometimes anything in between. Any idea what could be causing a GPIO pin to return to low or floating with no instruction to do so? Jan 16 14:09:54 and you can turn them back on? Jan 16 14:09:58 what GPIO? Jan 16 14:10:04 turn on how? Jan 16 14:10:18 do you have the led connected directly? or some level shifter Jan 16 14:10:49 gpios usually don't have enough juice to drive LEDs directly, maybe it has some fault protection Jan 16 14:11:41 It happens with any GPIO i try, but for the sake of example, P9_16 Jan 16 14:12:09 is there an ubuntu image that out of the box supports dtbo, gpio, PRU etc Jan 16 14:12:20 or do I need to build a new 3.8 kernel for that myself Jan 16 14:12:24 how do you turn on the GPIO? Jan 16 14:12:46 Turn on as in use GPIO.output(("P9_16), GPIO.HIGH) Jan 16 14:13:03 the LED is connected directly, not through anything Jan 16 14:13:36 It happens even with just a wire on the output, so I don't believe it is a current related problem Jan 16 14:13:39 and when it goes off, can you issue the same command again to go high? Jan 16 14:13:51 @av500 I can Jan 16 14:13:59 hmm Jan 16 14:14:41 evil spirits Jan 16 14:15:04 @av500 It seems so, but it does not happen on only this board Jan 16 14:15:38 on rpi too? Jan 16 14:16:00 @av500 Sorry i meant as in other beaglebone black boards Jan 16 14:16:19 I have more than one set up in the same way and get the same error on both Jan 16 14:16:27 well Jan 16 14:16:33 somewhat expected Jan 16 14:17:06 agreed, but it semi-rules out the possibility that it is a hardware issue Jan 16 14:17:48 hw issue unlikely Jan 16 14:18:12 My theory is that under Angstrom, the pins are configured to be floating by default. When the python stops running, the pins return to their default state instead of staying what they are set at Jan 16 14:18:48 er Jan 16 14:18:53 what do you mean with stops running? Jan 16 14:19:15 as in the command is executed Jan 16 14:19:32 maybe your GPIO lib "cleans up" afterwards Jan 16 14:19:38 returns pins to default states Jan 16 14:19:52 it's the adafruit BBIO Jan 16 14:20:06 are you aware of a way to stop it cleaning up? Jan 16 14:22:01 no idea Jan 16 14:22:29 look in the source Jan 16 14:23:32 https://github.com/adafruit/adafruit-beaglebone-io-python/blob/master/source/py_gpio.c Jan 16 14:24:00 talks about cleanup Jan 16 14:25:13 that implies that you have to run the command for it to do the cleanup Jan 16 14:25:13 hmmm Jan 16 14:25:28 hi Jan 16 14:25:45 seems its called at exit too Jan 16 14:26:00 https://github.com/adafruit/adafruit-beaglebone-io-python/blob/master/source/py_gpio.c#L523 Jan 16 14:26:02 no idea Jan 16 14:26:06 I dont know python Jan 16 14:26:10 printf it Jan 16 14:27:37 so in theory, if i set up a loop that says set the output high, wait, set it low and then loop, it should stay on for the wait time as there is no exit? Jan 16 14:28:20 I'd guess so Jan 16 14:28:37 try and find out Jan 16 14:29:12 I have and I still have the same issue Jan 16 14:29:12 hi Jan 16 14:29:50 the best result i have got so far is by looping: turn LED on, sleep for 0.05 seconds, loop Jan 16 14:30:04 but I still get down time of up to ~30ms Jan 16 14:33:12 maybe the python sleep function just sucks, thank you for your help @av500 Jan 16 14:33:13 i am new in this community can any of u tell me whom should I contact to know about beagleboard gsoc Jan 16 14:35:30 bumba google did not announce 2014 yet? Jan 16 14:36:24 bumba: too early Jan 16 14:36:33 bumba: we will apply Jan 16 14:36:38 not sure google will take us Jan 16 14:36:46 once we know, we will announce Jan 16 14:37:44 i know that .i need to know about the persons responsable to conduct to conduct gsoc Jan 16 14:39:32 what do you need to know? Jan 16 14:39:39 the process will be the same as last year Jan 16 14:40:01 if you have questions, feel free to ask here Jan 16 14:40:35 please send money to av500 Jan 16 14:40:44 nah Jan 16 14:41:19 send money in general. Jan 16 14:41:58 actually i am new to this subject i want to know how to get started with this sort of project to join on gsoc Jan 16 14:42:25 what makes the GSOC interesting to you Jan 16 14:42:39 becusae you can do a lot of things without GSOC Jan 16 14:43:21 bumba: well, best thing is to get familiar with the beagleboard/bone Jan 16 14:43:32 and with linux in general Jan 16 14:43:36 see last years projects Jan 16 14:44:22 follow the channel Jan 16 14:44:27 read the mailing list Jan 16 14:44:33 explore Jan 16 14:44:48 there is no "how to do BBB GSOC" tutorial Jan 16 14:45:02 i actully work on drupal and gnome development but I want am intersted about working on beangle board so I need a mentor for that thats why i am looking twords gsoc Jan 16 14:45:11 oh, can't i just sit at home over the summer, do nearly nothing and get 5k? Jan 16 14:45:18 no Jan 16 14:45:25 its not nothing Jan 16 14:45:41 you could sit at home for the whole summer and write a "how to do BBB GSOC" tutorial Jan 16 14:45:44 mrpackethead nothing no money Jan 16 14:45:49 indeed Jan 16 14:46:14 bumba: if you are interested in beagle, you can do that without gsoc Jan 16 14:46:20 like so many others Jan 16 14:46:27 as said, gsoc is not a given Jan 16 14:47:15 drupal to beagle, is a big jump Jan 16 14:47:51 @av500 can u give me ur mail id cause I would like to be in touch with u Jan 16 14:48:03 I'm here all the time Jan 16 14:48:14 you are in touch right now Jan 16 14:48:26 no? Jan 16 14:48:54 ok thats cool Jan 16 14:49:02 bumba, and it would be good to use a real IRC client Jan 16 14:49:07 not the web client Jan 16 14:49:30 mrpackethead depends Jan 16 14:49:43 mrpackethead if he is lucky with it let him use it Jan 16 14:49:57 mrpackethead if he is lucky soldering with his fingers let him Jan 16 14:50:18 hot fingers Jan 16 14:50:25 Jan 16 14:51:19 do i need to work only on software or I need to work on hardware Jan 16 14:54:49 depends on your project Jan 16 15:00:34 does anyone have instructions to build a rt8192cu on ubuntu Jan 16 15:00:42 like http://www.codealpha.net/864/how-to-set-up-a-rtl8192cu-on-the-beaglebone-black-bbb/ Jan 16 15:01:00 do I need the full kernel tree or just linux-kernel-headers Jan 16 15:01:24 and make scripts expects me to run a config on the headers first :/ Jan 16 15:04:08 on a normal ubuntu you just need the headers, they are preconfigured ... but there is no "normal" ubuntu for BBB Jan 16 15:04:12 wait for rcn-ee Jan 16 15:04:20 he does the ubuntu images for BBB Jan 16 15:06:44 I downloaded the image from rcn-ee Jan 16 15:07:27 right he has his own way of packaging the kernels Jan 16 15:19:48 so if I install kernel-dev why do I need to make menuconfig or whatever when in angstrom I didn't Jan 16 15:56:36 can I install a kernel from within the beaglebone Jan 16 15:56:50 or do I have to put the sd card into some host Jan 16 16:25:43 [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.12: http://git.io/oGmQSQ Jan 16 16:25:43 kernel/3.12 abf5de8 Robert Nelson: 3.12: update to v3.12.8... Jan 16 17:46:29 hey there ! Jan 16 17:47:58 I'm currently waiting for openBSD to support USB on the BBB anyone in this case ? Jan 16 17:56:09 donate them some money and ot might happen :) Jan 16 18:03:18 make[1]: *** No rule to make target `arch/arm/tools/gen-mach-types', needed by `include/generated/mach-types.h'. Stop. Jan 16 18:03:20 wtf Jan 16 18:03:32 trying to do make modules_prepare Jan 16 18:39:11 <_av500_> ogra_: they will waste it all on electricity Jan 16 18:39:36 <_av500_> gotta keep 'em VAXen running Jan 16 18:39:51 heh Jan 16 19:16:42 Howdy, again. So I've for the RTL8192 driver modified to support the TP-Link WL82000ND, and it loads, and 'iwlist scan wlan0' shows the APs, and I've got wpa_supplicant.conf configured, and /etc/network/interfaces per the (dozen) examples I've found, but it's not actually trying to associate with the network, as near as I can tell. Currently I'm loading the module with modprobe, which should cause everything to trigger, right? Jan 16 19:17:00 s/for/got/ Jan 16 19:17:08 k4jcw: use wpa-supplicant manually in verbose mode Jan 16 19:17:27 ie no through ifup Jan 16 19:23:07 OK, I see lots of stuff :) Jan 16 19:23:25 should be helpful Jan 16 19:23:47 It says it's trying to associate... But I don't know what to make of what it returned. I have no context. Jan 16 19:23:57 the default way is good at making it seem like it’s working Jan 16 19:24:09 i’m not sure but the verbose output at least is good for searching online Jan 16 19:24:49 OK, here's what's interesting. wpa_driver_wext_set_psk ioctl[SIOCSIWFREQ]: Device or resource busy wlan0: Association request to the driver failed Jan 16 19:24:57 I wonder if that's where we're going wrong. Jan 16 19:34:30 Hi. I've got a BBB. Working on a Ubuntu laptop. BBB eMMC has unknown config, but SD card has Angstrom installed. I'm having issues connecting to the board via USB. It works 20% of the time. I tried with and without the udev rules, I tried with with or without the ftdi_sio module loaded... I can't get a consistent result. Jan 16 19:37:39 the udev rules for BBB use ID 0403 a6d0, but lsusb tells me that "1bcf:2885 Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc" is connected, and in case the connection is successful "1d6b:0104 Linux Foundation Multifunction Composite Gadget". But not 0403:a6d0. So it seems the udev rules won't be of any help... Jan 16 19:38:46 can anyone explain the udev rules anyway? I know the first one is to load the ftdi_sio module when the 0403:a6d0 device is connected, but I don't get the other rules. Jan 16 19:39:21 possibly, my USB cable is not reliable... Jan 16 19:40:59 I'll be away for about 30 mins... Jan 16 19:41:58 i don’t know brice but are you sure you have enought power? Jan 16 20:46:45 http://pastebin.com/jje1NmUv Jan 16 21:11:03 well I tried with the power jack on and it's still the same. I need to try with a different USB cable... Jan 16 21:13:41 on the BBB, does the armhf Debian allow for automatic sd card boot? Jan 16 21:15:01 I replaced the angstrom on the eMMC for the debian armhf. Now I have the debian armhf on the sd card and I'm trying to boot into it (so far unsuccessfully) Jan 16 21:15:14 <_av500_> the CPU does not care what it boots Jan 16 21:15:22 <_av500_> it will even boot debian Jan 16 21:15:54 Wait so if I put standard debian on the SD card that would also work? Jan 16 21:16:16 <_av500_> standard? Jan 16 21:17:23 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ Jan 16 21:17:24 ooooh Jan 16 21:17:37 <_av500_> well, compiled for arm of course Jan 16 21:17:49 So out of that list I'd use "Hard Float ABI ARM"? Jan 16 21:18:47 <_av500_> yes Jan 16 21:18:57 granito-laptop, debian.org doesn't have an 'offical' image for the bone yet... so if you use there stuff directly, you need to add the bootloader/kernel.. Jan 16 21:20:08 <_av500_> ah, its all armv5 Jan 16 21:20:13 <_av500_> for ancient boards Jan 16 21:20:30 So I can't just grab that "Hard Float ABI ARM" tar it into an SD card and run with it? Jan 16 21:20:36 <_av500_> you need a kernel Jan 16 21:20:41 <_av500_> that supports BBB Jan 16 21:20:49 I have to use the images from the BBB guides then I guess Jan 16 21:21:03 granito-laptop, or none at all. ;) Jan 16 21:21:13 lol Jan 16 21:21:34 I want to use the SD card boot so I can install other programs and turn it into a server :P Jan 16 21:22:35 that's easy... this will do it.. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/9EG0SbhwTx0/BWso2srYz24J plus you can give us feedback, for the future out of box iamge.. Jan 16 21:22:52 <_av500_> rcn-ee: is it armv7? Jan 16 21:22:59 <_av500_> or using the v5 binaries? Jan 16 21:23:15 "armhf" Jan 16 21:23:22 <_av500_> k Jan 16 21:23:41 armv7-a, hardfp, vpfv3-d16, thumb Jan 16 21:24:26 Alright, I'll give it a try Jan 16 21:25:05 although I'm a linux/arm/BBB/etc noob so sometimes I can't tell if the problem is the device or the user :P Jan 16 21:25:21 damn i keep getting tons of messages from users trying to install Angstrom in the BBB :( :( Jan 16 21:25:34 <_av500_> ? Jan 16 21:25:37 <_av500_> on irc Jan 16 21:25:39 <_av500_> ? Jan 16 21:25:55 <_av500_> does it not come with angstrom installed? Jan 16 21:26:17 yea Jan 16 21:26:40 maybe they're trying to upgrade angstrom? Jan 16 21:29:18 question, to do the Debian NetInstall do I have to be logged into the angstrom terminal on the eMMC and have my SD card plugged into the BBB? Jan 16 21:29:44 from here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Debian_NetInstall Jan 16 21:30:00 granito-laptop, i don't support that... (angstrom has missing bits..) use a regular linux pc to create the initial microSD card.. Jan 16 21:30:23 <_av500_> granito-laptop: where do you see netinstall in the above link? Jan 16 21:30:30 it's there. ;) Jan 16 21:30:38 (his link) Jan 16 21:31:34 <_av500_> oooh, we can bring our own links? Jan 16 21:32:23 _av500_, i know what you meant... user i know what you mean, Jan 16 21:32:38 user's ignoring advice and off in weeds.. Jan 16 21:37:15 could be crops rather than weeds Jan 16 21:44:59 no weeds is probably right >.<. I'm reading up on that google groups link but I'm having to do a lot of googling on basic concepts Jan 16 21:46:04 granito-laptop, no biggy.. btw, i just pushed out a new "test" debian image: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/uDKIP63nY8A/YXGU3ao0sLgJ Jan 16 22:10:01 _av500_: no, through email, people is trying to install Angstrom on the BBB to cross-compile for the BBB. I'm trying to address as many ppl as i can and i update my repo's instructions pointing out the fact that this is wrong Jan 16 22:13:54 does the bbb have problems booting correct if there is labcables connected to most of the gpio pins? Jan 16 22:14:39 Mine boots fine without (or with a few) cables connected to the gpio pins. Jan 16 22:15:03 But not when i have labcables in most of the gpio pins Jan 16 22:15:42 The cables are not connected to anything, just the cable is seated in the p8/p9 header gpio pin slots Jan 16 23:37:03 hello Jan 16 23:37:24 it's been awhile since ive used my beaglebone black... trying to flash it to latest angstrom image Jan 16 23:37:30 flashed my micro sdcard Jan 16 23:37:37 but when I boot I just get 3 solid lights Jan 16 23:37:47 is there something I have to do to start the flash? Jan 17 00:33:09 hi all, i need to add curl support to the php that ships with my BBB. is there an easy way to do this? recompiling on the bbb seems like it'll be slow. but the documentation for recompiling "opkg" binaries so i can just copy them over seems to be, missing ? Jan 17 01:20:13 hello - can anyone point me in the direction of a good resource on how to compile a raspberry pi project on a BBB? I've followed some instructions to install sdk packages. Im using the makefile and getting gnu/stubs-hard.h: No such file or directory Jan 17 01:21:17 I cant figure out how to search the opkg repo for the packages containing these artifacts Jan 17 01:22:04 Im using stock Angstrom Jan 17 01:23:20 please? Jan 17 01:27:45 can anyone see this message? Jan 17 01:29:25 can anyone see me !! ? Jan 17 01:29:35 leewr : no Jan 17 01:29:40 :) Jan 17 01:29:41 leewr: no Jan 17 01:30:38 Ill try an rephrase, how do i find which opkg package contains the files I need to compile a C project? Jan 17 01:31:10 leewr: if you're building on the board did you installl task-native-sdk Jan 17 01:31:24 leewr : make, gcc and binutils are in the default install of angstrom, aren't they? Jan 17 01:31:28 thurgood - yes i did Jan 17 01:32:10 gnu/stubs.h is Jan 17 01:32:16 perhaps you're missing a dev version of a library you're including then Jan 17 01:32:19 stubs-hard.h isn there Jan 17 01:32:57 how can i find out which package I need? Jan 17 01:33:13 i think opkg search only searches the installed packages Jan 17 01:33:19 not a lookup online??? Jan 17 01:33:29 is that a part of a non-standard library? Jan 17 01:33:46 I usually use opkg list |grep Jan 17 01:33:48 I don't know, v new to linux Jan 17 01:34:13 list shows all packages that are known in the repos Jan 17 01:34:15 leewr : "a raspberry pi project" is an absolutely useless description Jan 17 01:34:21 leewr : you really have to learn more Jan 17 01:34:57 never hurts to ask CareBear\ Jan 17 01:35:04 I know i need to learn more thats why I asked for a resources... I h ave looked at online resources Jan 17 01:35:10 came here to ask for advice later Jan 17 01:35:23 leewr : you have to learn more about what you are doing, not about files and packages Jan 17 01:35:31 opkg list | grep stubs-hard Jan 17 01:35:35 leewr : find out what the actual dependencies of the code you want to build are Jan 17 01:35:36 this shows nothing Jan 17 01:36:49 okay it there any advice you can offer on finding out the dependanceis are? the project is on Git Hub, Jan 17 01:36:59 but does not list libraries needed Jan 17 01:37:07 as it was built for raspbian Jan 17 01:37:13 can anyone give me a hand in connect to my beaglebone black? I just purchased it yesterday and can't seem to get any output from it. Jan 17 01:37:27 try google: gnu stubs arm Jan 17 01:37:53 I've built 3.13.0-rc8-bone4 to test, and I've got 3.8.13-bone32 installed. To upgrade the BBB, I know I need to unpack the modules.tgz file. There's a /boot/initrd.3.8.13-bone32 file, and a /boot/uboot/zImage file, along with /boot/uboot/uInitrd. Is the one in /boot actually referenced? or do I just need to replace the /boot/uboot/zImage file? Jan 17 01:38:43 leewr : well read the documentation and if the authors haven't documented dependencies then you have to reverse engineer what the dependencies are using their source code Jan 17 01:39:26 leewr : welcome to the linux ecosystem, where people have no clue about writing good generic and portable code and nobody writes documentation Jan 17 01:39:49 it's fun Jan 17 01:40:00 bah... for an hour or two... ! Jan 17 01:40:07 can be fun if it's not late in the day :P Jan 17 01:40:28 leewr : what's the github url? Jan 17 01:40:35 ambi-tv Jan 17 01:40:40 first google result Jan 17 01:40:46 please give the url Jan 17 01:40:48 I don't use google Jan 17 01:40:59 you can do us that favor :) Jan 17 01:41:12 https://github.com/gkaindl/ambi-tv Jan 17 01:41:16 :) Jan 17 01:41:20 "I don't use google"? Jan 17 01:41:23 let's see Jan 17 01:41:47 I should have just bought a pi instead of making things difficult... but i wanted to learn :/ Jan 17 01:42:20 don't worry - you bought the correct hardware Jan 17 01:42:23 the pi is really shit Jan 17 01:42:54 :) I've played around with arduino - like the hardware side of things Jan 17 01:43:01 unless yow ant full hd... then you probably should have bought a pi :/ Jan 17 01:43:30 nope... no video output... this is an ambiance lighting project.. .based on a video capture input Jan 17 01:43:38 but if you like being able to play with hardware and find resources, bbb is the way to go Jan 17 01:43:55 there is no reason to want the irrational thing Jan 17 01:44:15 leewr : this project is not created in a way to work on just any ARM processor Jan 17 01:44:42 okay, what would be the best way to tackle this? Jan 17 01:44:46 another distro? Jan 17 01:45:11 no not another distro Jan 17 01:45:18 the distribution has nothing whatsoever to do with the hardware Jan 17 01:46:43 okay.. im thinking along the lines of missing kernel files for this project... but they are dev/sdk files? and i would need to include them in the kernel of any distro Jan 17 01:46:51 is that along the right lines? Jan 17 01:47:04 fuck no Jan 17 01:47:06 come on Jan 17 01:47:07 haha Jan 17 01:47:11 :( Jan 17 01:47:30 give me a clue.. something to work on Jan 17 01:47:36 what do you know about processor architecture? Jan 17 01:47:56 research the history of ARM processors a bit Jan 17 01:47:56 "awesome things to admire" Jan 17 01:48:00 that there are different ones... come on im a newb thats why im here Jan 17 01:48:18 find out what processor is on the pi and what is on the beaglebone Jan 17 01:48:57 you don't have to learn every single detail, but do learn about ARM and what they've done Jan 17 01:50:44 CareBear\: I thought bbb is a hard float system? Jan 17 01:52:03 thurgood : it is Jan 17 01:52:38 im on the ARM wiki now Jan 17 01:53:28 only if you put a block of lead on the BBB Jan 17 01:53:36 otherwise, it is small and light enough to be a easy float system Jan 17 01:55:57 can anyone give me a hand in connect to my beaglebone black? I just purchased it yesterday and can't seem to get any output from it. Jan 17 01:56:11 what do you mean by output? Jan 17 01:56:19 graphical display? Jan 17 01:56:41 have you tried plugging it in over USB to see that functionality? Jan 17 01:57:12 from what i understand i just plug the usb in after running the udev script and go to 192.168.7.2,, but i don't have any new usb devs in /dev/ and never get to the ip Jan 17 01:58:58 k, so you are using a Linux host... Jan 17 01:59:03 what does your dmesg log show? Jan 17 01:59:05 ubuntu Jan 17 01:59:44 nothing for usb Jan 17 01:59:59 lights blinking on the board? Jan 17 02:00:08 what about lsusb? Jan 17 02:00:18 yup like a heartbeat on the proc and io Jan 17 02:00:28 poagester : run ip l sh and look for usb0 ? Jan 17 02:00:29 just that hubs are there Jan 17 02:00:41 CareBear\ I dont think im at the stage where I can understand the processor arcutecture jargon yet - I dont know what a float point is but i can see there are hardware and software emulated flavours. this missing file is related to this I assume ? stubs-hard.h Jan 17 02:01:09 CareBear: nothin Jan 17 02:01:14 for usb Jan 17 02:01:16 poagester : bad Jan 17 02:01:25 is it bricked? Jan 17 02:01:28 poagester : you did plug the USB cable to the beagle Jan 17 02:01:39 CareBear: yup Jan 17 02:01:45 floating points are a way of representing decimals in binary Jan 17 02:02:16 CareBear: tried bringing down wifi connecting a cross over and setting up my ip to access it doesn't work either Jan 17 02:02:19 leewr : unless you want to learn more about that and about compiler technology I think the project at hand isn't really appropriate Jan 17 02:02:27 thurgood okay thx Jan 17 02:03:02 CareBear: happens with win 7 too Jan 17 02:03:12 poagester : if you connect an ethernet cable to the beaglebone then it will ask for a dhcp address on that cable Jan 17 02:03:54 poagester : then you'll be able to reach it on that address Jan 17 02:04:02 CareBear\: I thought that I read you didn't need to set up a dhcp server and it set up its own Jan 17 02:04:04 poagester : why USB doesn't work I can't say Jan 17 02:04:12 poagester : that's true only for USB Jan 17 02:04:30 CareBear\: ah, is there someway to hard reset these? Jan 17 02:04:41 poagester : so that people without networking knowledge will be able to plug the USB cable and immediately reach the board Jan 17 02:04:47 poagester : reset what? Jan 17 02:04:53 poagester : just try with the ethernet cable Jan 17 02:05:18 CareBear\ so read up on compilers and ARM history - anything specific? Jan 17 02:05:24 CareBear\: like a hard reset to factory Jan 17 02:05:30 prolly not Jan 17 02:06:00 poagester : sure there is. you need a microsd card and simply to follow the instructions for doing so. Jan 17 02:06:38 CareBear\: lemme try the dhcp server, be back in a bit Jan 17 02:07:46 CareBear\: just a few teeny hints even? e.g. its to do with float point Jan 17 02:07:47 leewr : you need to understand the compiler flags that the project uses when compiling the code and how they relate to the processor on the pi and what instead is appropriate for the processor on the beaglebone Jan 17 02:08:32 leewr : everything you need to learn really has nothing to do with embedded linux or even linux, and at least to begin with (gcc) nothing to do with arm Jan 17 02:08:32 CareBear\ : so the flags for float point for example, I can set to use hardware float point Jan 17 02:08:40 not to discourage you, but that project may be a little tough to port for a newer user Jan 17 02:08:45 leewr : stop shooting blind Jan 17 02:09:04 leewr : spend a few weeks learning Jan 17 02:09:16 CareBear\ but thats all i can do if you send me away and say read stuff Jan 17 02:09:20 leewr : e.g. using a linux system on some pc nearby Jan 17 02:09:29 leewr : no, you can *actually read stuff* Jan 17 02:10:15 leewr : if you've never worked with the gnu toolchain then you have a bit of a threshold to climb before you can adapt that pi project to suit the beagle Jan 17 02:10:23 CareBear\ : its knowing what to read... guys in here might know a really good starting point for my specific problem Jan 17 02:10:31 leewr : the two processors are very different. the beagle processor is significantly better. Jan 17 02:10:42 CareBear\ : ohhh.. i was afraid of that. Jan 17 02:10:45 leewr : you don't need to learn about your specific problem. Jan 17 02:10:52 leewr : you need to learn very general things Jan 17 02:11:09 leewr : once you have, your specific problem is just one out of a million problems that you will know how to solve Jan 17 02:11:18 leewr : it's not really possible to only learn about your specific problem Jan 17 02:11:55 CareBear\: k.. im a .net DB developer by day.. windows dev all the way Jan 17 02:12:09 for how long? Jan 17 02:12:20 CareBear\: 5 years Jan 17 02:12:31 not so much Jan 17 02:12:44 cross platform linux is a bit different of a beast Jan 17 02:13:05 yea - i noticed :) Jan 17 02:13:13 but if you've already gotten into toolchain details then the gnu toolchain is certainly learnable Jan 17 02:13:15 im enjoying it tho Jan 17 02:13:18 a toolchain is a toolchain Jan 17 02:16:09 really - start with native linux on a pc Jan 17 02:16:23 ideally follow the linux from scratch instructions Jan 17 02:16:55 don't neccessarily need to do the massively time consuming things like graphical environments Jan 17 02:16:55 you mean building a distro from scrach? Jan 17 02:17:09 a linux system, yes Jan 17 02:17:35 lthat sounds hard... any resources you can recommend? Jan 17 02:17:52 you can google "linux from scratch" Jan 17 02:17:57 it'll be the first hit Jan 17 02:18:01 I'm pretty sure Jan 17 02:18:05 i dont use google ;) Jan 17 02:18:07 building a distro is trivial Jan 17 02:18:27 but some people's idea of a distro is more full featured then others Jan 17 02:19:44 I take it I wouldnt be able to build something minimal myself and use in on BBB? how would it know how to use the IO pins? Jan 17 02:19:51 leewr : very good. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ Jan 17 02:19:57 leewr : of course you would Jan 17 02:22:20 any1 have a pi they dont want ?? Jan 17 02:22:22 :) Jan 17 02:22:27 lol Jan 17 02:22:37 * ds2 tosses 3.141592.... to leewr Jan 17 02:22:48 ahh a float ponit? Jan 17 02:22:57 * prpplague throws a cowpi at leewr Jan 17 02:23:08 :( Jan 17 02:23:20 Thanks all - im off to do some light reading brefore bed Jan 17 02:23:30 bloody hell 2.30 am Jan 17 02:23:52 CareBear\ : thx Jan 17 02:23:58 leewr : you're welcome Jan 17 02:24:03 leewr : I do hope you persevere Jan 17 02:24:16 ill cu in a week or 10 Jan 17 02:24:30 leewr : there are lots of projects made for the beaglebone Jan 17 02:24:45 leewr : to satisfy your instant gratification need you can copypaste one of those Jan 17 02:24:50 leewr : start with blinking leds Jan 17 02:24:53 that's always fun Jan 17 02:24:59 haha... Jan 17 02:25:17 I've used node.js to blink some leds.. im good with that Jan 17 02:25:27 bonescript.. .i should say Jan 17 02:25:40 ewwwwwwwwwww Jan 17 02:26:02 someone should put a webos image for the BBB Jan 17 02:26:46 we're upgrading our boards at work.... almost have the kernel fully working on the new design :) Jan 17 02:27:41 long way from staring with a blinking gpio led :P Jan 17 02:27:56 if you want to blink a LED, use a 555 Jan 17 02:28:11 thats no fun Jan 17 02:29:11 fine.. use a 556 ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 17 02:59:58 2014