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Mar 16 03:05:41 <Willson> I'm trying to compile Jason Rohrer's games, but failing on a missing glut.h. I'm not familiar enough with opkg to do the things I'd usually do here, and Google is not helping, this time. Ideas for me?
Mar 16 03:18:15 <thurgood> glut is an extension for opengl, not sure if such a thing exists for gles
Mar 16 03:19:25 <thurgood> either way GLES doesn't work with current kernels for the bbb anyway :/
Mar 16 03:21:14 <thurgood> if you're using classic or xM beagleboards you can use a 3.2 kernel
Mar 16 03:21:49 <Willson> I have 3 of the BBB
Mar 16 03:22:40 <Willson> I'm hoping to use them as teaching toys, similarly to how I currently use the RPi.
Mar 16 03:22:53 <thurgood> cool
Mar 16 03:23:24 <Willson> The more I learn about the BBB, the more impressed I am. It's freer, more powerful, and does some extremely impressive things straight off the boot.
Mar 16 03:23:35 <thurgood> last I heard about gles on bb was maybe in 3.13
Mar 16 03:23:47 <Willson> But golly has it got some rough edges.
Mar 16 03:23:50 <thurgood> on bbb
Mar 16 03:24:49 <thurgood> or if you're willing to give android a try I've read that they still use a 3.2 based kernel that does support GLES
Mar 16 03:25:33 <Willson> I'm trying to compile freeglut right now.
Mar 16 03:25:48 <Willson> I'm not sure what GLES is, sorry.
Mar 16 03:25:58 <kristina> thurgood: Wait, why doesn't GLES work?
Mar 16 03:26:18 <kristina> The kernel driver is broken, isn't it?
Mar 16 03:26:30 <thurgood> gles support at the kernel level is not well suppported by TI and is proprietary
Mar 16 03:27:02 <kristina> thurgood: Isn't the SGX driver responsible for that?
Mar 16 03:27:38 <kristina> AFAIK the SGX kernel drivers are open source.
Mar 16 03:27:40 <thurgood> Willson: GLES is similar to openGL but designed for embedded systems
Mar 16 03:28:38 <kristina> If I remember correctly, the GLES stuff is done in userland.
Mar 16 03:29:43 <thurgood> there are a couple of moduels that are needed to glue it all together, 3 specifically if I recall correctly
Mar 16 03:29:53 <kristina> And the kernel driver is just used to manage stuff like SGX's IOMMU, buffers and serialize access to the hardware.
Mar 16 03:31:19 <Willson> Welp, time for me to call it a night. I'll try again later. Thanks for the try.
Mar 16 03:31:30 <thurgood> if you want to rewrite the dss2 drivers to suppot/expose the functions that the porprietary stuff expects you may get lucky
Mar 16 03:32:21 <Willson> Thanks all, g'night. TTYL
Mar 16 03:32:32 <kristina> thurgood: there is a proprietary version of the DSS driver?
Mar 16 03:32:37 <thurgood> unfortanately the interface changed a bit, not sure if it's technically dss2 at this point
Mar 16 03:32:51 <thurgood> no, the dss driver is open
Mar 16 03:34:13 <kristina> so is it the SGX kernel driver?
Mar 16 03:34:18 <thurgood> but last time I tried compiling the gles/sgx modules against a more recent kernel that's where it choked
Mar 16 03:34:45 <kristina> oh, at link time?
Mar 16 03:34:50 <thurgood> yeah
Mar 16 03:35:30 <thurgood> it expects certain dss2 functions that are no longer part of dss2
Mar 16 03:36:03 <kristina> thurgood: stuff in services4/3rdparty?
Mar 16 03:36:14 <thurgood> dunno
Mar 16 03:39:27 <kristina> /SourceCache/Vendor/Imagination/pvr5xx/ddk/services4/3rdparty/dc_omapfb3_linux/omaplfb_displayclass.c
Mar 16 03:39:45 <kristina> I think that's it.
Mar 16 03:40:46 <kristina> I wonder why TI made 1500 or so lines of code proprietary.
Mar 16 03:42:19 <thurgood> dunno
Mar 16 03:42:56 <thurgood> unless they licensed it themselves
Mar 16 03:45:57 <kristina> thurgood: Imagination's example code on which the original OMAP DSS shim is based is licensed under GPL2/MIT
Mar 16 03:48:41 <kristina> As well as a proprietary license, if you're forking their DDK code.
Mar 16 04:31:26 <louiz920> AM3517 vs DM3730 for a simple XMBC media center. I have both a craneboard and beagleboard-xm and am trying to decide which one has better support before heading off in the wrong direction.
Mar 16 04:33:22 <louiz920> The follow up question would be: Run it on top of android or angstrom/ubuntu? I imagine the tricky part is getting support for the SGX core.
Mar 16 04:41:35 <thurgood> dm3730 can use the 3.2 kernel no problem
Mar 16 04:42:03 <thurgood> which has sgx support
Mar 16 04:48:18 <louiz920> thanks thurgood
Mar 16 05:00:05 <louiz920> Okay, well thanks for the advice, i'm building my rootfs on narcissus.angrstom now. Will be back if issues arise.
Mar 16 11:52:15 <krackatar> hello
Mar 16 11:53:57 <krackatar> Can i use beagleboard black to create a custom board and sell it with linux disto on it ot it is illegal ?
Mar 16 12:05:54 <krackatar> can anyone provide some info on that ?
Mar 16 12:26:48 <c10ud> I compiled rcn ubuntu kernel, installed the deb on the bbb but I don't remember if there's a command for updating {z,u}Image.. it has been a while since I last did this thing.. ew
Mar 16 13:49:15 <frenchy> This is my 1st time here.  What do you all think about the new command line built into Cloud9 in the new official Debian distro?  It seems real cool.  Is it possible to be a non-root user when using it?
Mar 16 15:56:31 <BobCat> frenchy, that looks dangerous
Mar 16 15:56:51 <BobCat> I just installed debian on bbbk for the first time
Mar 16 17:04:25 <frenchy> BobCat: what looks dangerous?  The cloud9 integrated command line?  It seems nice.  It works nice.  A tad slower than putty/terminal.  No beeps.  Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V work nice.  Not sure how to log in as a user other than root.
Mar 16 17:14:45 <N2TOH> BobCat, bbbk? BeagleBoneBlack k?
Mar 16 17:15:29 <BobCat> it's bbbk in the descriptions
Mar 16 17:15:34 <BobCat> in the filenames
Mar 16 17:16:01 <BobCat> and yes a root shell is dangerous
Mar 16 17:16:17 <BobCat> you should have to deliberately do something to get root
Mar 16 17:16:44 <BobCat> sudo su and a password, not just click
Mar 16 17:17:38 <N2TOH> or doing something dumb like connecting your BBB to the internet and not setting a password
Mar 16 17:18:10 <BobCat> I'll check for port 3000 in the wild, brb
Mar 16 17:18:24 <N2TOH> lol
Mar 16 17:21:32 <Abhishek_> lol
Mar 16 17:23:10 <BobCat> shodan is scanning for port 3000
Mar 16 17:23:16 <BobCat> at least not obviously
Mar 16 17:23:21 <BobCat> is not i mean
Mar 16 17:27:20 <BobKitten> any way to tell I'm using xchat on debian on bbbk?
Mar 16 17:27:36 <BobKitten> not that my bone is naked
Mar 16 17:28:13 <BobCat> nope
Mar 16 17:28:22 <BobCat> I'll try without the cloak
Mar 16 17:31:20 <BobCat> nope
Mar 16 17:31:47 <BobCat> I'm sure scanning people in this room will yield success at some point
Mar 16 17:34:16 <highgain5000> hey everyone
Mar 16 17:34:21 <BobCat> hay
Mar 16 17:34:27 <highgain5000> having problem with an lcd connect to my bbb
Mar 16 17:34:36 <highgain5000> running debian
Mar 16 17:34:41 <highgain5000> hooked up in 4 bit mode
Mar 16 17:34:47 <highgain5000> and using adafruit GPIO library for python
Mar 16 17:34:54 <highgain5000> RW to ground
Mar 16 17:34:58 <highgain5000> E not connected
Mar 16 17:35:11 <highgain5000> any suggestions? not seeing any chars
Mar 16 17:39:10 <mederic> hello all
Mar 16 17:39:57 <mederic> just recently picked up a bealge bone black the other day
Mar 16 17:49:05 <highgain5000> any ideas?
Mar 16 19:40:27 <_Aqua> does nayone know where to obtain a copy of 'angstrom-eglibc-i686-armv7a-vfp-neon-v2012.12-toolchain.gz'?  appears to not be on angstrom-distribution.org.
Mar 16 20:20:39 <khmarehman> Hello everyone
Mar 16 20:20:54 <khmarehman> I need little help, I created a .c program helloworld, and its running correct in eclipse simulator
Mar 16 20:21:08 <khmarehman> but unfortunately I can't creat .bin file
Mar 16 20:21:15 <khmarehman> and run it qemu-arm-static ./helloworld.bin
Mar 16 20:21:23 <khmarehman> Please guide me how can i solve it
Mar 16 20:21:36 <khmarehman> I don't have beaglebone but its just an exercise
Mar 16 20:27:07 <tbr> so if this is not related to beagle, what is it?
Mar 16 20:31:01 <khmarehman> Actually I haven't beaglebone. but I am learning it
Mar 16 20:31:19 <khmarehman> I may order it later
Mar 16 20:43:58 <_av500_> if it runs in eclipse, what kind of file is it?
Mar 16 20:55:57 <khmarehman> Its is .c file
Mar 16 20:56:06 <khmarehman> I have cross compiled it
Mar 17 01:48:00 <SeanMark> Guys, I have my BBB working last night. and just now, I can't connect to it. I can't connect via SSH through Putty. the USR LED 3 is solid with also USR LED0 as breathing. any suggestions?
Mar 17 01:55:18 <mjgardes> last time that happened to me, i used a USB BUB to log in via local console and figure out why network wasn't coming up on boot.  turns out i had removed the gui app that was handling network interfaces and forgot to set up alternate means of getting it on the network.
Mar 17 01:55:58 <mjgardes> serial consoles save a lot of time debugging that sort of thing
Mar 17 02:03:53 <mjgardes> before i go wasting time trying to rebuild the kernel, is there a better way to use two outputs on a PWM module than http://saadahmad.ca/using-pwm-on-the-beaglebone-black/
Mar 17 02:04:50 <SeanMark> I see. We don't have a USB BUB on out region. getting it would mean waiting for how many days. I need to find another solution. -.- For what I remember, I have not played with the connection. But I was able to extract from java a server-jre (something for remote access). do you think this one was able to overwrite any networking module?
Mar 17 02:11:21 <mjgardes> that shouldn't have affected the network connection. i have no idea what's wrong.
Mar 17 02:12:53 <SeanMark> I see. thanks! then I would do the 'plug and unplug' method for a while -.-
Mar 17 02:26:44 <kristina> Does OMAP have any other caches other than the normal D+I cache?
Mar 17 02:47:01 <prpplague> kristina: i assume this is in reference to some other platform other than beaglebone, since it doesn't use omap
Mar 17 02:47:56 <kristina> prpplague: Well, that DM thing is pretty much OMAP3, isn't it?
Mar 17 02:48:52 <kristina> And when I targeted BeagleBoard, I was targeting an OMAP3 SoC.
Mar 17 02:56:32 <cracktaculous> hi everybody, how's it going :)
Mar 17 02:56:50 <cracktaculous> who do i bitch to about the product supply chain?
Mar 17 02:57:45 <cracktaculous> it seems nobody's sparing a thought for us Aussies and we don't even get a look in when the products come into stock before the northern hemisphere buys them all out while we're sleeping at night!
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