**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 08 02:59:58 2014 Apr 08 03:01:33 There it goes. Now to put it on a diet. Apr 08 03:50:04 jerkey: I never used cloud9. I just replaced angstrom with debian. to me, debian is more comfy. Apr 08 03:51:02 does anyone know how to power off angstrom? there is no halt shutdown poweroff or anything.... Apr 08 03:51:17 plug it off Apr 08 03:51:36 unless u want to reboot Apr 08 03:52:06 shutdown works for me Apr 08 03:55:36 i have no shutdown command Apr 08 03:55:45 Linux beaglebone 3.8.11 #1 SMP Wed May 8 07:34:27 CEST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux Apr 08 03:56:01 update to lkatest image Apr 08 03:57:52 when u do opkg update whatch out for f@#king up. u might not be able to boot anymore. Apr 08 03:58:21 mine always f@#ks up. Apr 08 03:58:38 apt wins Apr 08 03:58:44 apt-wins Apr 08 04:09:22 yeah use debian Apr 08 04:09:24 angstrom is sadface Apr 08 04:12:49 dont use debian Apr 08 04:12:58 use any other distro that honors the FHS. debian does not Apr 08 04:13:16 plus there are other reasons i would never recommend any debian based distro Apr 08 04:15:52 yes, don't use the now standard beaglebone distribution Apr 08 04:15:54 makes good sense Apr 08 04:16:09 nothing about debian makes sense Apr 08 04:16:27 * nyt- shrugs Apr 08 04:16:44 i've not had a problem with it in the many years i've been running and administering debian based systems Apr 08 04:16:58 clearly the beaglebone team approves since its now standard Apr 08 04:22:40 debian makes a lot of sense Apr 08 04:22:55 the most of any distro for this propose imo Apr 08 04:38:03 I440r what linux do you like if you say debian doesn't make sense? i'm not being argumentative, just curious Apr 08 04:38:30 i missed the beginning of that topic Apr 08 04:39:14 I had really bad experience with angstrom. that's what it was Apr 08 04:39:42 debian became main supported os for bbb Apr 08 04:40:14 ah Apr 08 04:40:20 i think of angstrom as testing platform Apr 08 04:40:45 i have never used it Apr 08 04:41:07 if it looks like a dog and it barks like a dog... Apr 08 04:41:25 pretty much any non debian. the distro i use isnt one i would universally recommend Apr 08 04:41:41 and what is that? Apr 08 04:41:47 angstrom is a dog that don't listen to it's owner. Apr 08 04:41:58 gentoo. and yes i run in on my beagleboard xm Apr 08 04:42:56 i had hard time on gentoo config for compiling os. Apr 08 04:43:07 no time for that Apr 08 04:43:13 gentoo wasnt easy on the beagle thats for sure Apr 08 04:43:24 and i wouldnt recommend any / partion on flash :)( Apr 08 04:43:39 debian works and it's not too slow Apr 08 04:44:12 no its not slow. it just doesn honor the FHS and it is not PAX compliant throughout Apr 08 04:44:17 I would rather compile minix than compiling gentoo Apr 08 04:44:38 you can make it by installing the gr security patches but i have no idea what else those do to your system Apr 08 04:48:05 gentoo is an education thats for sure Apr 08 04:48:36 but once you get it you have a better distro than any other imho. but it requires a steep up hill climb Apr 08 04:48:43 i dont recommend it globally Apr 08 04:53:10 gentoo is great for people who have all the time in the world Apr 08 04:53:19 and i have no problem running grsecurity on debian Apr 08 04:53:31 i spend hardly any time with upkeep and i have 4 gentoo systems within arms reach :P Apr 08 04:53:37 ooo 4 Apr 08 04:53:44 well one is powered down Apr 08 04:53:47 few digits short of meaningful lo Apr 08 04:53:48 l Apr 08 04:54:01 anyway, grsec and deb aren't really an issue, i have code in grsec anyways Apr 08 04:54:06 right but if i had 400 i wouldnt have a problem wth that either Apr 08 04:54:26 a large gentoo install just needs a binpkg server and it would be fine Apr 08 04:54:45 debian is PAX aware at the kernel level. its not PAX aware at the binutils level Apr 08 04:55:03 chainsawbike, dont need binpkg server Apr 08 04:55:12 just use distcc and stagger your updates :) Apr 08 04:55:29 gentoo is cool for hobbyists Apr 08 04:55:30 tho binpkg would make that fater yea Apr 08 04:55:59 anyway i dont HATE debian, i just dont like it Apr 08 04:56:15 i cannot abide ubuntu however :P Apr 08 04:56:25 and now back to my john wayne movie :P~ Apr 08 05:23:16 nyt- my thoughts exactly on gentoo or arch Apr 08 05:23:53 great for hobbyist Apr 08 05:24:19 but aint nobody got time for that Apr 08 05:42:34 haha Apr 08 08:49:28 are cortex a8 and cortex a9 linux systems normally binary compatible? Apr 08 09:02:38 julesvernr: mochiron Apr 08 09:03:16 thanks, seems there might be a problem if neon core was used but it probably wasn’t in this case Apr 08 09:04:03 usb cameras have awful driver support in general, i dind’t even catch that no source came with the drivers for the ones i bought :( Apr 08 09:04:36 the vendor has it compiled for linux on some odroid device though Apr 08 09:07:31 whould it be possible to "interconnect" bbb's over some of the pins at a decent speed? Apr 08 09:07:45 sure Apr 08 09:08:04 decent +- ethernet like Apr 08 09:08:04 ethernet or SPI Apr 08 09:08:32 indeed some network interface over spi Apr 08 09:09:11 using ppp :P Apr 08 09:11:28 hmm Apr 08 09:11:54 maybe there’s a library or something, seems like a useful idea that someone might have done already Apr 08 09:16:54 julesvernr: hmm.. yes, there could be a difference in the neon cores. didnt check that Apr 08 09:17:26 keesj: why not use the ethernet interface? Apr 08 09:17:28 knowing this vendor they didn’t optimize at all so i doubt it in this case Apr 08 09:17:59 if not i will just buy some odroid boards because i really couldn’t find another suitable camera Apr 08 09:24:44 woo got my i2c code written for this ruby lib Apr 08 09:24:49 now i just need to find some spi devices to finish it off Apr 08 09:35:40 KotH: I would like the first BBB to act more like a router Apr 08 09:38:15 keesj: why do you want to make a BBB route? Apr 08 09:38:16 keesj: the second fastest interface the bbb has is the GPMC Apr 08 09:38:21 keesj: after that, it's usb **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 08 10:27:10 2014 Apr 08 10:31:32 hello everybody, I'd like some advices please. I created a system with buildroot on my bbb. It boots fine. Now I'd like it could recognize a USB wifi stick. I tried mdev option on buildroot, wifi firmware but still no wlan0 with ifconfig... Apr 08 10:32:20 do someone have an idea? should I compile the kernel separatly? Apr 08 10:42:56 Bonjour a tous ya t il des Français? Apr 08 11:38:56 Hey, anyone experienced getting the BBB running with matLab? Apr 08 11:48:06 huh, digikey has lots of 100 BBB listed for sale (but out of stock) Apr 08 11:48:16 does that mean they are not going to get any more orders? Apr 08 11:49:28 johnwalkr: I think there are changes in supply chain afoot Apr 08 11:49:36 Element14 has them actually in stock Apr 08 11:50:11 yeah, i know circuitco said they were going to stop fullfilling orders from companies that sold them in large numbers or otherwise didn’t obey the terms of sale Apr 08 11:51:18 * XorA got a phonecall this morning checking he was not a company Apr 08 11:52:13 interesting Apr 08 11:52:33 but BBB is apparently in the post Apr 08 11:52:42 XorA, I just clicked on Buy for element14 and out of stock for me Apr 08 11:53:04 on reddit someone was really mad that his rights as a business owner were being trampled on because he couldn’t rely on buying lots at once Apr 08 11:53:09 haha Apr 08 11:53:13 maybe a bad link as their website seems to have lots of stale pages Apr 08 11:53:30 adafruit says in stock right now Apr 08 11:53:36 mdp: there are now 2 BBB on Element 14, the CCO one and the Element14 (embest) one Apr 08 11:53:57 oh another factory is making them now Apr 08 11:53:59 ? Apr 08 11:54:07 right, I think I went to the old CCO one now Apr 08 11:54:21 yeah, that says for me "no longer stocked" Apr 08 11:54:30 XorA, such a PITA...no way other people will figure that out since google takes them to the CCO one Apr 08 11:54:39 wow, $200 on amazon.co.jp Apr 08 11:54:56 Ive seen them listed for 1000$ on ebay :-D Apr 08 11:56:22 XorA, "awaiting delivery" in .us store ;) Apr 08 11:56:35 590 in UK store :-) Apr 08 11:56:51 shipping container from shenzhen must be en route Apr 08 11:56:54 first time Ive ever seen an actual stock count :-) Apr 08 11:59:30 "3 Further stock expected to ship on Apr 15, 2014" Apr 08 11:59:32 hehe Apr 08 11:59:41 better hope for no storms :-D Apr 08 12:00:10 those are the ones send in the hong kong post packets ahead of the cosco container ;) Apr 08 12:52:25 hi there, is it possible that the bbb is very picky which power supply ist is used? Apr 08 12:53:25 like your loved ones, only feed a BBB the finest of juice! Apr 08 13:01:16 XorA: thats odd, electricity is electricity Apr 08 13:02:16 ragnar76: not according to audiophiles :-) Apr 08 13:03:01 Sure, but if your supply does not maintain voltage outpout well, or cannot supply the current the bone wants, or injects a lot of noise into the line...you are going to have a bad time. Apr 08 13:10:39 XorA, Ha! made me laugh Apr 08 13:11:33 but I agree with agmlego... if the supply is underpowered or some crappy cheap design... it might make things not work right. Apr 08 13:13:49 I do not understand why you would not treat a BBB like a loved one :-) Apr 08 13:14:15 :-) Apr 08 13:15:27 . Apr 08 13:15:55 i used to use my blackberry charger which gives stable 5v/2a but it died a few days ago Apr 08 13:16:20 . Apr 08 13:32:20 stripped debian on a bbb down to use 24mb of ram usage :) Apr 08 13:43:04 ragnar76: no usb, no i2c, no spi, no ethernet, no... Apr 08 13:44:42 anyone know how to send a text command to usb codec device? why i always gotta do wierd stuff :/ Apr 08 13:44:51 FUN: usb yes, wifi and soundcard, ethernet yes, serial yes. i use my bbb as a mobile mpd device Apr 08 13:48:38 dogrocket: a what to a what? Apr 08 13:49:15 ragnar76: how much did u strip her down? Apr 08 13:52:05 FUN: her? i will not tell you about my gf ;) Apr 08 13:53:02 o.o gf == 'debian' Apr 08 13:56:07 FUN: basically by replacing or purging unneeded software. exim4 for example. changed exim to lsb-invalid-mta Apr 08 13:59:12 av500: i have a codec that accepts text commands to change to different inputs (line in, s/pdif) you must send it short scripts to have it switch them... ive tried cat testscript.txt > /dev/bus/usb/001/006 and it says invalid argument... Apr 08 14:01:30 im gonna hook it back up to windows and test, T.I. has a configurator.. wanna make sure thing is working first Apr 08 14:11:12 dogrocket: what codec? Apr 08 14:22:05 second Apr 08 14:23:08 http://www.ti.com/tool/pcm9211evm-u Apr 08 14:32:32 Hi guys - i'm all new to beaglebone, i've just received my first board (white) and followed the start up guide on this website. I installed the drivers for mac and restarted my mac. The board is not seen as connected by the website (step 1 should be checked green, right?) and i noted that led 3 and 4 never comes on. led 0 blinks and led 1 goes solid after ~10 seconds, but then turns off after a little while. Apr 08 14:33:43 The board was ordered from farnell with the following spec: MicroSD slot, 2GB microSD card with validation and demonstration of image from Angstrom Distributio Apr 08 14:36:20 anyone? Apr 08 14:37:58 yes Apr 08 14:38:51 any idea why led 2 and 3 are not lighting up Apr 08 14:39:00 and how i can get it working] Apr 08 14:43:36 …i'll take that as a no then Apr 08 14:43:56 kmol: Have patience. Apr 08 14:44:13 The folk active in the channel right now may not have the answers you seek, but someone may eventually. Apr 08 15:32:48 kmol: does led matters? try put uSDcard in the board then boot. what happens? Apr 08 15:38:53 kkol: if u use linux then connect to bb with USB-to-uUSB then type: ls /dev/tty* Apr 08 15:38:57 what do you see? Apr 08 15:39:29 if ur usng linux then u should see something like: ttyUSB0 ttyUSB1 ... Apr 08 15:40:08 if ur usng osx then u should see something like: tty.usb-serial@#$%#$% ... Apr 08 15:40:40 kmol: Apr 08 15:41:26 kmol: there will be two usb serial port because u r using bbwite Apr 08 15:41:46 kmol: bbwhite Apr 08 15:42:59 note that I don't like using webgui and cloud9 Apr 08 15:46:12 It's sort of un-fun Apr 08 15:46:37 Is there some quick way to slim down the debian BBB eMMC install? I'm using the board headless and don't need any X or GUI. I could do it package-by-package, but don't see any gnome or desktop tasks installed. Apr 08 15:46:49 * pwillard thinks "see what I did there?" Apr 08 15:47:14 why the un-fun triggers keyword for highlight ... oh, because FUN Apr 08 15:47:25 There are actually some UN-GUI scripts I've seen floating around... Apr 08 15:48:03 but I am google overloaded and forgot where I saw them Apr 08 15:49:07 jsnyder, if you're willing to dive down the rabbit hole, checkout debootstrap. it enables you to to bootstrap a very minimal debian root filesystem. Apr 08 15:49:52 once you've got the root filesystem contents from debootstrap, you'd have to get that into a properly formated BBB image Apr 08 15:51:28 KaaK: So, easier to just use an SD card? :-) Apr 08 15:52:06 usually much faster to use a disk image, then dd it onto an sd card Apr 08 15:52:54 but just using the sd card works Apr 08 15:52:59 pjustice: Are there any minimal images out there? Apr 08 15:53:48 compile one from kernel source? Apr 08 15:53:53 A huge list of "apt-get remove" seems plausible Apr 08 15:56:42 pwillard: thought about just doing that. Not sure if there are things I should leave alone lest I might break something, first day with a BBB Apr 08 16:02:10 jsnyder, depending on your comfort level, you might just leave it alone -- 'if it ain't broke, don't fix'. In my experaince, large package purging can go un-bootably wrong -- there are unfortunately many essential packages that will happily let you uninstall them depending on your apt settings Apr 08 16:03:22 and the goal was to remain close to the Angstrom build with the newest somewhat official Debian release. Apr 08 16:06:11 That's sort of how it felt (since the web interface, mass storage and usb networking work). Apr 08 16:06:40 I do embedded development professionally, but usually Cortex-M devices (bare metal, no OS), so comfort level is more like "how much do I need to read if I brick this thing" or "how do I wire this up for JTAG?" but I think for now I'll just use an SD-based boot and get acquainted with things before I start trying to break it :-) Apr 08 16:07:43 :) Apr 08 16:09:26 jsnyder: the BBB takes some work to wire up for jtag unfortunately Apr 08 16:10:10 jsnyder, it'll be pretty hard to 'hard-brick' (i.e. need hardware to un-brick). 'soft-bricks' are more likely and usually just need to boot from a SD card to address the problem Apr 08 16:10:35 beng-nl: how hard is it to get into a situation where one needs it though? i.e.: is it pretty hard to break booting from an SD card? Apr 08 16:11:04 jsnyder, as long as you don't flash/burn something over the uboot firmware on the uC, you can always get to uboot's CLI over the serial console Apr 08 16:11:59 KaaK: OK, sounds good Apr 08 16:12:38 jsnyder, if you have an extra SD card handy, i'd image that with something of a rescue -- like a stock angstrom or stock debian and use that as your 'soft-brick' rescue Apr 08 16:13:02 you can always select to boot from an SD card should the emmc get fauled up and unbootable Apr 08 16:28:33 yeah... BBB has some nice features Apr 08 16:33:21 jsnyder: my reaction is the same as yours: bloated standard images, and an environment that makes it difficult to build your own. I haven't yet tried netinst to see if I can construct the right kernel versions and have cape support, the right tools, etc. Apr 08 16:45:52 Bonjour il y a des Français? Apr 08 16:48:04 ?? Apr 08 17:13:24 Nah~ Apr 08 17:28:58 jsnyder: there\s quite too many stuff in the debian image, I usually remove at least xrdp wici lightdm hostapd udisks avahi-daemon python-wicd policykit-1-gnome libmenu-cache1 Apr 08 17:29:05 (and disable systemd, of course) Apr 08 17:33:49 dwery: also there is png support package and opencv package which u can remove, but I use it >:D Apr 08 17:34:48 FUN: I'll keep opencv, I would like to use it sooner or later. Apr 08 17:34:49 :) Apr 08 17:41:32 :) Apr 08 19:30:44 [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/v9injA Apr 08 19:30:44 kernel/3.8 7ede6b3 Robert Nelson: 3.8: import a few more cape overlays... Apr 08 19:57:55 I tried installing the windows RNDIS drivers - the exe hangs - anyone else run into that? Newest exe from the website Apr 08 19:58:59 I got the files from beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/Drivers/Windows/src/files/ and then the plug and play went fine Apr 08 20:04:27 BobCat: never used that, but a) you might need to disable signature checking b) you might need to run that with administrator priviledges Apr 08 20:09:14 this was on xp with an admin account Apr 08 20:09:40 I did get warnings about the signatures with the naked files Apr 08 20:09:48 but that is expected Apr 08 20:10:33 it would be simpler if they just put all the drivers in one folder or a zip, an exe is not needed Apr 08 20:11:00 I stopped using xp when i was high school. don't ask me about MS-Windows ;-) Apr 08 20:11:22 when i was in high school Apr 08 20:11:22 Linux is much easier for bbb noobs Apr 08 20:11:52 linux is much easier for embedded os Apr 08 20:43:41 What is the latest debian image to flash on a BBB? Apr 08 20:58:30 http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#2014-03-31_Changes Apr 08 21:06:57 So lets say I download BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.4-2014-03-31-2gb.img.xz, I need to flash this to a microsd first, correct? What tool can I use on Windows to do this? Apr 08 21:13:38 uhm Apr 08 21:13:41 theres a link there i think Apr 08 21:13:47 let me find it for yuou Apr 08 21:14:18 http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started#update Apr 08 21:19:31 so uhm Apr 08 21:19:36 i need an spi device to test with Apr 08 21:19:39 to work on this library Apr 08 21:19:49 any suggestions where i can scavenge one? Apr 08 21:22:29 <_av500_> digikey? Apr 08 21:22:39 yeah i can order one was hoping to just find something around Apr 08 21:36:41 nyt- thank you] Apr 09 00:36:33 Is anyone having decent success with any of the realtek usb wifi modules on the BBB? I'm seeing recommendations to maybe use realtek's drivers rather than what's in the mainline kernel, but now I"m seeing that the debian images are not using packaged kernels and looks like perhaps a pain to build kernel modules? Apr 09 00:37:08 no Apr 09 00:37:09 its crap Apr 09 00:37:14 i got this works way better Apr 09 00:37:22 one of the atheros? Apr 09 00:37:25 no Apr 09 00:37:33 ralink Apr 09 00:37:37 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00762YNMG/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Apr 09 00:37:52 Hello, I know this is not about beagleboard, but maybe somebody can help. I havent found any TI related channel with users inside. I have a texas instruments ADS1299EEG-FE in front of me. Is there a API for programmers available? Or maybe a SDK? Apr 09 00:38:08 nyt-: thanks Apr 09 00:38:17 also, just works, very stable too Apr 09 00:38:36 v1c3_: I work for TI, but don't know anything about such parts. Going to visit e2e.ti.com? Apr 09 00:38:49 why is adafruit still shipping an rtl one then? Apr 09 00:39:02 * nyt- shrugs Apr 09 00:39:14 pi might ship with a compiled driver that works or smoething i dunno Apr 09 00:39:24 wife used one in her pi Apr 09 00:39:32 nyt-: I have one in a pi, and it works _ok_ Apr 09 00:39:33 wasnt as bad as it is in the bb Apr 09 00:39:43 but yeah ok is as good as i'd say it works Apr 09 00:39:47 the ralink one i linked is stable Apr 09 00:39:48 and $11 Apr 09 00:39:51 can't go wrong Apr 09 00:40:12 Sounds good. Apr 09 00:40:52 I just wish fewer people were "recommending" one that's flaky. Apr 09 00:41:05 yea Apr 09 00:41:07 i was surprised Apr 09 00:41:48 thanks jkridner! Apr 09 00:43:28 I think I'll order a few of these. Apr 09 00:43:58 root@rbone:~/rubybone# lsusb Apr 09 00:43:58 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter Apr 09 00:44:14 uses rt2800 module Apr 09 00:50:11 nyt-: does beaglebone has power save mode? because 10min later the usb-wifi connection drops :-( Apr 09 00:50:22 mine doesnt Apr 09 00:50:29 * nyt- shrugs Apr 09 00:50:32 which card are you using Apr 09 00:50:45 nyt-: i just use ethernet wire Apr 09 00:58:18 I had to disable that sleepy feature on the wifi. My usb wifi dongle drove me crazy. Apr 09 00:58:32 yes, it was a ralink Apr 09 00:59:48 hey guys! Apr 09 00:59:53 hi Apr 09 01:00:09 so, when is the new rev coming out for BBB? Apr 09 01:08:38 howdy hackers,, I was wonderig if anyone has succesfully conected a beaglebone lcd4 cape to a beaglebone-xm? and\or have documention..!? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 09 02:59:58 2014