**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 15 02:59:59 2014
May 15 04:16:01 <foreverska> If a pru process is hung how do you stop it?
May 15 06:02:50 <Guest25416> Hi
May 15 06:04:13 <Guest25416> I wanted to buy a beaglebone black and found some distributor run out of the board.
May 15 06:05:23 <Guest25416> since we are working on a research project and want to manufacture a product using in a large scale, I am afraid that the board has been discontinued.
May 15 06:05:28 <av500> no
May 15 06:05:33 <av500> not at all
May 15 06:05:45 <av500> if you need large quantities, talk to circuitco
May 15 06:06:32 <Guest25416> since I live in Iran and there is no legal distributor here, I want to buy it from Malaysia
May 15 06:07:09 <av500> ah
May 15 06:07:20 <av500> well, its not discontinued
May 15 06:07:26 <av500> just in high demand
May 15 06:07:35 <av500> so you simply need to wait
May 15 06:11:23 <tbr> heh, getting large quantities of that to iran, with the US export restrictions in place might be a problem.
May 15 06:11:28 <Guest25416> do you know any distributor in Malaysia?
May 15 06:11:41 <tbr> although there is that chinese clone sold through element14
May 15 06:12:56 <smurray> lots of clones on aliexpress from the looks of it, ship direct from china
May 15 06:50:36 <colttt> good morning
May 15 07:05:49 <elham> hi
May 15 07:06:14 <Guest42570> do you know any distributor for beaglebone black in malaysia
May 15 07:07:42 <Guest42570> does it cost 45$?
May 15 07:08:47 <Guest42570> is anybody here to answer?
May 15 07:09:01 <colttt> Guest2570: maybe ebay?!
May 15 07:09:49 <Guest42570> does it ship for free?
May 15 07:12:35 <woglinde> google will know
May 15 07:16:31 <colttt> Guest42570: http://www.ebay.com.my/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=beaglebone&LH_PrefLoc=2&_arm=1&_armm=63&_ruu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.my%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3Dbeaglebone%26_arr%3D1
May 15 07:17:09 <Guest42570> I found different prices for beaglebone black. what are the differences?
May 15 07:19:10 <LetoThe2nd> Guest42570: the difference is how much the shop keeps.
May 15 07:19:35 <Guest42570> i want the 45$ one
May 15 07:20:52 <LetoThe2nd> then search a shop that sells for 45$
May 15 07:21:08 <Guest42570> are there different version of beaglebone black?
May 15 07:21:40 <LetoThe2nd> there is the standard one, and there is the so called rev c
May 15 07:21:42 <colttt> Guest:4270: the most shops would have a profit
May 15 07:21:47 <Guest42570> for example revision C or B
May 15 07:22:05 <LetoThe2nd> but not much of a difference. take whatever they sell for the price you want
May 15 07:23:16 <Guest42570> some of them are black and others white, are they different?
May 15 07:24:49 <colttt> the white one is the oldest one and does not hase the performance
May 15 07:26:13 <Guest42570> does it support windows?
May 15 07:26:17 <LetoThe2nd> no.
May 15 07:26:20 <colttt> here you can see some features: http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#BeagleBone_Black_Description
May 15 07:26:43 <LetoThe2nd> the white one is obviously not black. so its not a beaglebone black.
May 15 07:26:43 <Guest42570> non of them?
May 15 07:26:52 <LetoThe2nd> no windows here.
May 15 09:05:12 <mrpackethead> now about about a beaglebone black clone that is red.
May 15 09:05:16 <mrpackethead> "special edition"
May 15 09:05:18 <mrpackethead> lolsz.
May 15 09:05:25 <mrpackethead> we coudl sell it for $199.00
May 15 09:05:50 <mrpackethead> call it the beaglebone red.
May 15 09:05:53 <mrpackethead> red is faster.
May 15 09:06:55 <zmatt> it will have to be glossy red though
May 15 09:07:56 * zmatt hopes he isn't annoying TI folks on the e2e forum too much
May 15 09:11:37 <tbr> psh, has to have racing stripes to be faster!
May 15 09:13:02 <zmatt> that too of course
May 15 09:19:04 <colttt> where is the BBR?
May 15 09:19:21 <zmatt> nahw, on the am335x they actually made the Secure ROM inaccessible... (they screwed that up on the DM814x, you can dump it there just fine)
May 15 09:22:32 <Rotti> hi
May 15 09:26:33 <zmatt> and apparently there's PCIe on the am335x (on the die at least, not necessarily usable)
May 15 10:06:56 <mbusch> hey guys, can someone help me out with a problem concerning pwm-inputs in the BBB?  i pretty much a beginner in bb-programming, so i've got some trouble 'reading' pwm-sensorsignals..
May 15 10:07:35 <av500> pwm inputs?
May 15 10:07:53 <mbusch> reading pulse-wide-modulation signals..
May 15 10:08:40 <av500> explain
May 15 10:10:45 <mrpackethead> Beagle bone red.
May 15 10:11:01 <mbusch> the thing is: i want to connect sensors to my beaglebone, which dont support i2c. so if i'm right, i need to read the pwm-signals using the gpio pins. i already found the iolib.h library which i can use to "trigger" the timers when the bbb gets an rising/falling edge on a pin. my problem now is to use the internal timers on the bbb. how can a start the timing, and trigger the stopping of the timer?  or does someone has a good documenta
May 15 10:11:13 <av500> ah
May 15 10:11:27 <mrpackethead> mbusch: what is the snesor
May 15 10:11:48 <av500> reading PWM sensors from userspace is most likely not going to work
May 15 10:12:34 <mrpackethead> might work for slow frequency signals.
May 15 10:12:45 <mrpackethead> s/slow/low
May 15 10:12:52 <av500> true
May 15 10:13:07 <mrpackethead> "slow frequency".. thats a bit of a term
May 15 10:13:58 <mrpackethead> mbusch: whats the application?
May 15 10:14:35 <mbusch> ok :(  i want to use a simple ultrasonic sensor on my bbb..
May 15 10:15:05 <av500> SR04
May 15 10:15:06 <ogra_> batboard ?
May 15 10:15:12 <mrpackethead> for measuring distance
May 15 10:15:17 <mbusch> yes
May 15 10:16:03 <mbusch> why do you think it wont work with high frequencies?
May 15 10:16:03 <colttt> i would like to use a sender/reciver for 433MHz to turn this on and off: http://www.brennenstuhl.de/en-DE/multi-way-extensions-und-plug-in-appliances/remote-control-set/remote-control-set-rcs-1000-n-comfort-7.html .. and the reciver for temperatures..
May 15 10:16:32 <mrpackethead> because you'll get non determininistic behavior
May 15 10:16:53 <mbusch> ah ok, right..
May 15 10:17:07 <mrpackethead> when your I/O gets a rising edge, it creates an interupt
May 15 10:17:19 <mrpackethead> sometimes your interupt might get procesed almost instantly
May 15 10:17:26 <mrpackethead> other times it will be quite delayed.
May 15 10:17:30 <mrpackethead> depending on what else is happening.
May 15 10:17:45 <mbusch> thanks for the explanation! :)
May 15 10:18:09 <mbusch> so i should definitely use i2c?
May 15 10:18:18 <mrpackethead> that is one way
May 15 10:18:54 <mbusch> you've got another?
May 15 10:21:53 <mbusch> what i've i'm checking the signal level on my own? this should be deterministic, shouldnt it? although it's probably not the best way, cause it might be unprecise?
May 15 10:30:02 <av500> mbusch: a kernel level driver would be much better
May 15 10:30:51 <mbusch> thanks! :)
May 15 10:41:42 <colttt> i would like to use a sender/reciver for 433MHz to turn this on and off: http://www.brennenstuhl.de/en-DE/multi-way-extensions-und-plug-in-appliances/remote-control-set/remote-control-set-rcs-1000-n-comfort-7.html .. and the reciver for temperatures.. which reciver/sender can you suggest to use? or does exist a cape for this?
May 15 10:41:57 <av500> not that I know of
May 15 10:42:15 <av500> I have some 433 mhz gizmo that has USB and a PC software
May 15 10:42:22 <av500> forgot the name
May 15 10:42:30 <av500> it can tx/rx
May 15 10:42:38 <av500> you'd need something like that
May 15 10:43:32 <av500> or something like this: http://www.ti.com/product/cc1101
May 15 10:43:43 <av500> somebody oughta make an RF cape
May 15 10:44:05 <av500> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_RF
May 15 10:52:52 <sachin__> on beagleboard , when I do lsmod I dont see any mmc driver loaded. and OS is booted from eMMC.
May 15 10:53:14 <sachin__> then can # insmod mmc_core.ko
May 15 10:53:14 <sachin__> # insmod mmc_block.ko
May 15 10:53:15 <sachin__> # insmod omap_hsmmc.ko
May 15 10:53:20 <sachin__> to load mmc driver
May 15 10:55:20 <colttt> av500: thanks! but this cape has some limitatiosn for beaglebone black..
May 15 10:55:27 <colttt> hmm maybe the ninja-cape?!
May 15 10:55:51 <colttt> or the grove-cape with the rf extension..
May 15 10:56:00 <colttt> does anybody has some of this capes?
May 15 11:32:08 * H-H-H wonders if anyone knows of the top of thier heads how many uarts a beaglebone white has? (to save these old eyes looking it up)
May 15 11:39:15 <av500> 6 or so
May 15 11:39:31 <av500> the SoC, not sure how many you can use
May 15 11:41:28 <H-H-H> im after 3
May 15 11:41:53 <H-H-H> and an I2C
May 15 11:42:08 <av500> sounds doable
May 15 11:42:18 <av500> SRM will tell you what your pinmux options are
May 15 11:42:48 <H-H-H> thanks :)
May 15 12:19:29 <danous> hello
May 15 12:21:59 <danous> my new BBB  fail to pass 3rd step as it was timeout when connecting to http://192.168.7.2/  same time it is not detected as a usb drive but under usb it is shown as a usb device called beglebone black
May 15 12:36:03 <danous> heloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
May 15 12:36:55 <H-H-H> pls be patient :)
May 15 12:37:16 <danous> ok
May 15 12:38:21 <ynezz> your daily ooo limit has been reached, try again tomorrow
May 15 12:38:30 <H-H-H> the regular users of this chan are from parts of the world where its night time so most are asleep
May 15 12:39:06 <H-H-H> so if you hang around for a bit you will likely get an answer
May 15 12:39:59 <danous> i have just 8 hours to test my new BBB if its working and 4 have passed already  after those 8 hours no return policy
May 15 12:40:26 <danous> thank u anyway
May 15 12:41:12 <H-H-H> im just trying to remember what i did
May 15 12:41:29 <danous> :)
May 15 12:41:35 <danous> cool
May 15 12:41:48 <H-H-H> i had a similar issue when i first got my beaglebone white and tryed it on a win 7 machine
May 15 12:42:23 <H-H-H> what operating system and also what is the lan ip of your machine
May 15 12:43:25 <danous> i am on win7 too
May 15 12:43:54 <danous> ip adress is fixed 192.168.7.2
May 15 12:44:33 <H-H-H> ok by who
May 15 12:45:04 <danous> element 14
May 15 12:45:22 <H-H-H> what is you pc lan ip not beaglebone
May 15 12:45:49 <danous> how to find it out ??
May 15 12:46:30 <H-H-H> o crap lol i dont know as i use linux now and have for a year so dont do win anymore :(
May 15 12:47:28 <danous> alright alright a linux user want my ip adress  :D  should i really trust you :p  197.31.215.103
May 15 12:47:57 <H-H-H> i said lan ip not public ip :P
May 15 12:48:12 <danous> ok
May 15 12:48:19 <H-H-H> you public ip is already available all over the web lol
May 15 12:48:37 <danous> holly sh****
May 15 12:48:52 <H-H-H> for example when you entered this channel danous (c51fd767@gateway/web/freenode/ip.197.31.215.103) has joined
May 15 12:49:16 <danous> yes :D
May 15 12:50:30 <danous> BBB is connected with usb cable not lan
May 15 12:50:48 <H-H-H> basically i think my issue atleast was that my lan ip was in the range 192.168.0.x but the beaglebone was fixed to 192.168.7.x and as they arent in the same range it didnt work so i had to adjust the beagle bone by using putt to login and change the ip
May 15 12:51:37 <danous> u mean ssh logging ??
May 15 12:51:39 <H-H-H> but dont quote me as im not the best person to ask just tryng to be helpfull :)
May 15 12:51:54 <H-H-H> no i mean connecting over serial via the usb
May 15 12:51:59 <danous> yes u r helpfull :) thx
May 15 12:52:19 <H-H-H> putty can do lots of protocols not just ssh :)
May 15 12:52:42 <danous> hhh is it an ftdi usb  cuz no new com port does apper here
May 15 12:53:16 <H-H-H> i had to install drivers on mine if i remember right
May 15 12:53:58 <H-H-H> its multi usb lol
May 15 12:54:23 <H-H-H> ethernet/serial/jtag
May 15 12:55:25 <danous> i have only a beaglebone black that apper underusb
May 15 12:55:48 <H-H-H> also as i say mine was a beaglebone white so may be different
May 15 12:57:00 <danous> alright  :) thank you very much
May 15 13:36:37 <cioban> Hello. There is a official documentation about compiling mu own kernel for my BeagleBone Black?
May 15 13:49:44 <iandow> My beaglebone just stopped booting.  The last line I see on bootup is "pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: could not request pin 21 on device pinctrl-single"
May 15 13:50:05 <iandow> Any ideas why this is happening?
May 15 13:51:26 <iandow> oh, nevermind.  kernel panic
May 15 14:52:11 <smurray> FYI, arrow.com has >680 BBB RevC's in stock ATM
May 15 14:54:02 <av500> omg
May 15 14:54:08 <mistawright> you sure those are revision c
May 15 14:54:12 * av500 orders them all to resell on ebay
May 15 14:54:13 <mistawright> looks like b to me
May 15 14:54:24 <av500> yeah, nobody ever wanted a b
May 15 14:54:25 <av500> ever
May 15 14:54:43 <mistawright> it states 2gb of emmc versus 4gb
May 15 14:54:51 <av500> useless then
May 15 14:54:55 * av500 cancels order
May 15 14:54:57 <mistawright> i just ran out of space with 2gb
May 15 14:55:16 <mistawright> i use a class 4 sd card. leave me alone
May 15 14:55:20 <smurray> my bad
May 15 14:55:23 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/e0xf7Q
May 15 14:55:23 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 354ef4c Robert Nelson: 3.8: cape: add BB-BONE-AUDI-02-00A0 and a pinmux fix on cape-universaln...
May 15 14:55:43 <smurray> not sure how they'd get that many RevB's at this point
May 15 14:55:59 <smurray> and charge the RevC price for them ;)
May 15 14:57:25 <av500> smurray: I dont see 680 BBBs
May 15 14:58:02 <smurray> oh? looks like 686 here
May 15 14:58:06 <av500> linky
May 15 14:58:16 <smurray> http://parts.arrow.com/item/detail/circuitco/bb-bblk-000#yMyG
May 15 15:00:33 <av500> yeah
May 15 15:00:39 <av500> I search for "beaglebone"
May 15 15:00:57 <av500> no hit for the BBB
May 15 15:01:58 <smurray> yeah, I did notice that. I think I dug down from all circuitco products
May 15 15:02:02 <smurray> could be a db glitch
May 15 15:02:54 <smurray> I got to the shipping part of checking out before cancelling (wanted to see the shipping $)
May 15 17:29:37 <cioban> Hi, there is a way to boot BeagleBoneBlack with uSD card without pressing BOOT button?
May 15 17:31:45 <myself> look at the schematic, see where the boot button goes
May 15 17:31:53 <myself> see if it's broken out to some I/O pins somewhere :)
May 15 17:33:11 <cioban> :)
May 15 17:33:47 <cioban> I'll look the schematic
May 15 17:46:59 <Zexths> Hello all. I have some questions about my BBB, is this the right channel to ask them in?
May 15 17:47:37 <dsmith-work> Zexths: /topic
May 15 17:49:22 <dsmith-work> cioban: Maybe wire the boot button to a non-momentary switch?  Or a jumper?
May 15 17:49:45 <dsmith-work> Zexths: (so, yes)
May 15 17:51:18 <cioban> dsmith-work: I found in schematic... Boot button is connected to LCD_DATA2 pin
May 15 17:52:06 <cioban> It is connected with 100R resistor and switch to GND. Thanks
May 15 17:57:27 <Zexths> I am recently having the problem on my bbb that i can no longer ssh into it. The bbb will mount to my computer, i can access the getting started page though firefox, and i can run bone scrip. When i attempt to ssh in with putty, the window never changes, not even times out or replies that it can't connect. I am using a bbb with default angstrom and I am not using a uSD card. This problem started occuring last night and prior to then, i
May 15 17:58:33 <dsmith-work> cioban: Hmm. IS that one of those signals sensed at POR time? Maybe that's a bad idea to hard-wire it.  Maybe you should let someone else answer... ;^)
May 15 18:01:40 <cioban> dsmith-work: yeah.. I want to boot with uSD without pressing the button
May 15 18:02:55 <myself> agmlego had a problem where one of his GPIO lines happened to be a boot-mode line
May 15 18:03:13 <myself> gotta read the fine print when choosing your inputs, and know what states they might be in when powering the thing up :)
May 15 18:57:25 <johnwalkr> fucckckkk
May 15 18:57:37 <johnwalkr> just closed a digikey tab with a cart in it by accident
May 15 18:57:53 <johnwalkr> it did not come back
May 15 19:14:39 <AE7IK> You know, you can log in and name your carts now, and save them for later use.
May 15 19:14:54 <AE7IK> And you might be able to pull up the salesorder # and recover it.
May 15 19:33:02 <johnwalkr> this is going to be cool. have a bunch of things with serial debug inside a robot
May 15 19:33:43 <johnwalkr> just ordered the parts for 1 external usb connection -> usb hub -> ftdi serial to everything
May 15 19:33:45 <johnwalkr> one stop debug
May 15 19:34:14 <johnwalkr> copied it from a cubesat design
May 15 20:49:34 <hamfist> hello beaglers
May 15 20:59:40 <hamfist> I have a question about the battery cape. Can't find the answer; can it be placed on the back of a TFT screen like any other extra board?
May 15 21:00:17 <hamfist> I have a 7" TFT screen with one socket ont he rear for a cape, and the other socket for the BBB itself.
May 15 21:01:36 <hamfist> The screen is here: https://www.tigal.com/product/3744
May 15 21:03:14 <hamfist> Anyone??
May 15 21:04:16 <thurgood> I think the screen just has to be the top one, although you'll probably go through battery quickly driving a screen
May 15 21:05:41 <thurgood> make sure the screen is compatible with the black if that's what you have
May 15 21:05:54 <hamfist> Yep, I was wondering if I could simply stack up a couple of capes on top...hmmm couldn't find any info on expected battery life
May 15 21:06:06 <hamfist> Yes it's def'ly compat, I checked that.
May 15 21:06:35 <hamfist> What's your gut feeling? One hour for a pair of Duracells? I could live with that
May 15 21:11:23 <hamfist> Sure is quiet in here
May 15 21:11:56 <thurgood> probably depends a lot on how quickly you put the screen to sleep
May 15 21:12:51 <thurgood> and how much of the time the screen is active, displays tend to drain batteries quickly
May 15 21:13:57 <hamfist> I would probably use an non-X OS if I had to, Ubuntu server etc..but I suppose that wouldn't make such a big difference. I know screens draw a lot of juice. Suppose there are rechargeable batteries
May 15 21:14:32 <hamfist> Can you ignore [Ping timeout...] messages on here?
May 15 21:14:50 <thurgood> depends on your chat client
May 15 21:15:27 <hamfist> got a good recommendation for a first-timer? I'm using Firefox here
May 15 21:15:39 <thurgood> what OS?
May 15 21:15:46 <hamfist> Linux Mint
May 15 21:15:57 <thurgood> probably X-chat then
May 15 21:16:09 <hamfist> There's one included but it seems a bit odd...X-chat it is...Thx
May 15 21:16:20 <hamfist> What are you doing here anyway?
May 15 21:16:20 <thurgood> been a while since I've used linux based irc though
May 15 21:16:31 <hamfist> You on Windows?
May 15 21:16:35 <veremit> Xchat is ok .. I use it on debian
May 15 21:16:42 <veremit> X11chat possibly..
May 15 21:16:52 <thurgood> testing builds at work and getting ready to head home
May 15 21:17:06 <thurgood> I'm on OSX at the moment
May 15 21:17:33 <hamfist> Well that's Linux-based anyway isn't it? Or only very broadly?
May 15 21:18:21 <thurgood> sort of linux based, but the shell is quite different than X11
May 15 21:18:46 <thurgood> techincally I think Darwin is BSD based
May 15 21:19:08 <thurgood> but a similar family, yes
May 15 21:19:21 <hamfist> I saw some stuff on BSD in networking/kernel books...trying to avoid it for the moment
May 15 21:19:26 <hamfist> No idea what builds are...is it like checking a load of modules/newly-added functions run together OK
May 15 21:19:31 <hamfist> ?
May 15 21:20:38 <hamfist> Bad question? I remember asking in a tech forum what an FSB was...guy went ballistic
May 15 21:20:54 <thurgood> just running some last minute checks before releasing one a new app version
May 15 21:22:20 <thurgood> builds are just the result of compiling an application, in this case it happens to be a release candidate
May 15 21:22:52 <hamfist> Well good luck. Nothing like a set-up running smooth as clockwork at the end of a full day coding. Android?
May 15 21:23:36 <thurgood> no, we run on an old version of angstrom at the moment
May 15 21:24:10 <hamfist> Wow...what platform is the app to run on?
May 15 21:24:27 <thurgood> our board is somewhere between the beagleboard classic and the beagleboard xM
May 15 21:26:00 <hamfist> Nice...I didn't know people were paying for stuff on those boards...saw that xM and it looked quite nice for getting some serious stuff done, but I'm only just getting started with dev boards
May 15 21:27:01 <heeen> so I am using mode 6d for pru output pinmux
May 15 21:27:11 <heeen> can someone explain this
May 15 21:27:36 <heeen> bottom 3 bits for the mode 5
May 15 21:28:48 <heeen> binary 1101101
May 15 21:29:27 <heeen> 1000 internal pulls disabled
May 15 21:29:54 <heeen> 100000 means input enabled - does that make sense for pru output?
May 15 22:54:04 <OnlineCop> I’m connecting a Tenda w311m to my BBB. It doesn’t get detected by wicd. I’ve installed ‘firmware-ralink’ and see all the ‘rt2*00usb’ entries when I run ‘lsmod’. ‘lsusb’ shows the adapter there. Are there special steps to getting this to be detected correctly either via hotplug or a full reboot?
May 15 22:56:22 <veremit> have you got the kernel driver loaded?
May 15 22:56:33 <veremit> are you using debian/angstrom?
May 15 22:56:36 <OnlineCop> I’m new to this, so… maybe?
May 15 22:56:37 <OnlineCop> Debian
May 15 22:56:54 <veremit> "lsusb -k" - does that show a module loaded/
May 15 22:57:09 <OnlineCop> lsusb: invalid option -- 'k'
May 15 22:57:28 <veremit> woops let me retry .. "lspci -k"
May 15 22:57:45 <OnlineCop> # lspci -k
May 15 22:57:46 <OnlineCop> pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci
May 15 22:57:47 <OnlineCop> lspci: Cannot find any working access method.
May 15 22:57:54 <veremit> should include the usb devices
May 15 22:58:02 <veremit> oh. great.
May 15 22:58:05 <veremit> lsmod ?
May 15 22:58:23 <OnlineCop> lspci has never worked on this BBB: it always says “Cannot open /proc/bus/pci'
May 15 22:58:37 <veremit> I'd say that was bad .. but putting that aside ..
May 15 22:58:39 <OnlineCop> …or on any of the BBBs we’ve used (we’ve got about 30 of them)
May 15 22:59:08 <veremit> oh .. are you logged as root? or "sudo lspci -k"
May 15 22:59:38 <OnlineCop> Yes, logged in as root.
May 15 23:01:00 <veremit> well shoot . same issue for me .. I'l be damned lol
May 15 23:01:18 <veremit> probably because there's no pci bus
May 15 23:01:19 <veremit> anyhow
May 15 23:01:26 <OnlineCop> Yeah; all those online guides suggest it and I’m thinking, “Oh no… I did something bad to my board..."
May 15 23:01:31 <veremit> "lsmod" should give you a module listing
May 15 23:01:52 <veremit> you should see "rt2<blah>" in there if its loaded
May 15 23:02:04 <OnlineCop> lsmod output: http://pastebin.com/EDh2Gwkp
May 15 23:03:20 <OnlineCop> So let’s say that everything is installed correctly, but I just don’t have some setting somewhere that tells it to “power up and go!”.  What kind of file would I look for (or Google)?
May 15 23:03:43 <OnlineCop> I have no qualms about figuring this out, if I at least have a good direction to go in.
May 15 23:04:48 <veremit> hmm lots of things to catch you out for wifi :/
May 15 23:05:00 <veremit> you've got a module loaded, and the firmware .. thats good
May 15 23:05:05 <veremit> what does "ifconfig -a" tell you?
May 15 23:05:56 <veremit> should be a 'wlanX' there
May 15 23:06:37 <OnlineCop> ‘ifconfig -a’ output: http://pastebin.com/h6ZRm8K2
May 15 23:07:11 <veremit> good so there's a wlan interface ..
May 15 23:07:18 <OnlineCop> And ‘iwconfig’ just gives: http://pastebin.com/Z3S9GjcA
May 15 23:07:48 <OnlineCop> So I’d assume that everything is ready and waiting to be enabled and go… I just don’t know the commands to do that.
May 15 23:07:56 <veremit> yeah it can't "see" it because is Down
May 15 23:08:20 <OnlineCop> ‘ifup wlan0’ just gives me: Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
May 15 23:08:33 <veremit> here ya go .. https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
May 15 23:08:51 <veremit> ifconfig wlan0 up" might be better
May 15 23:09:04 <veremit> or I see the rfkill module is loaded .. so that might be a trap
May 15 23:09:27 <OnlineCop> After an ‘ifconfig wlan0 up’, the only change is that ‘ifconfig’ doesn’t require ‘-a’ to list wlan0.
May 15 23:09:29 <__butch__> @OnlineCop: Did you try configuring /etc/network/interfaces?
May 15 23:09:56 <OnlineCop> __butch__: I did, but when I started to use wicd, I was informed that /etc/network/interfaces ignores (or doesn’t work properly) with anything defined in that file.
May 15 23:10:12 <veremit> yea wicd will ignore it
May 15 23:10:12 <__butch__> Perhaps that's true — I didn't go back to check.  :-)
May 15 23:10:18 <OnlineCop> veremit: Would I see ‘rfkill’ in ‘ps aux’ or somewhere else?
May 15 23:10:22 <veremit> wicd is ... no comment. lol.
May 15 23:10:28 <veremit> its in that lsmod output
May 15 23:10:34 <__butch__> What happens if you try using wicd-curses, wicd-client, or wicd-gtk?
May 15 23:10:50 <OnlineCop> veremit: I’d avoid wicd entirely, but I need its wired/wireless interface (.py files) so I don’t have to roll my own if someone wants wifi.
May 15 23:10:54 <veremit> OnlineCop .. try "rfkill unblock all"
May 15 23:11:05 <__butch__> @veremit: I can use wicd to get networking up, so I'm not going to complain about it too much.  :-)
May 15 23:11:07 <veremit> then perhaps iwlist wlan0 scanning
May 15 23:11:18 <veremit> __butch__ yeah I suppose it Sorta works lol
May 15 23:11:47 <OnlineCop> veremit: Okay, ‘rfkill unblock all’ now gives me something with ‘iwlist wlan0 scanning’ where it didn’t before.
May 15 23:12:00 <OnlineCop> And yet…
May 15 23:12:01 <veremit> thought it might :)
May 15 23:12:05 <veremit> disabled by default :/
May 15 23:12:20 <OnlineCop> wicd’s ‘wicd-client’ still shows no wireless networks found, even though I’m able to see SSIDs from iwlist.
May 15 23:12:34 <veremit> is wicd loaded correctly/
May 15 23:12:44 <veremit> ./etc/init.d/wicd status
May 15 23:12:48 <OnlineCop> veremit: I’d assume so. Installed normally via apt-get/aptitude.
May 15 23:13:08 <veremit> does it know about the wlan0 card? I've had to select it in KDE before
May 15 23:13:14 <OnlineCop> [ ok ] wicd is running
May 15 23:13:35 <veremit> no idea how it works command-line :/
May 15 23:13:39 <OnlineCop> veremit: I’m not sure how to tell.
May 15 23:14:01 <OnlineCop> This device is running its own X session, so I don’t have access to any nice GUI interface to check.
May 15 23:14:53 <veremit> reading .. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wicd
May 15 23:15:02 <OnlineCop> Will I need to redo any of these steps if I rebood the BBB?
May 15 23:15:05 <__butch__> wicd-cli -y -l
May 15 23:15:17 <__butch__> That should list all the SSIDs that it sees.
May 15 23:15:24 <OnlineCop> It returns “#	BSSID			Channel	ESSID"
May 15 23:15:28 <OnlineCop> Nothing under that header.
May 15 23:15:50 <veremit> try restarting wicd now that the wlan is up ;)
May 15 23:16:03 <OnlineCop> wicd-cli -y -d returns “Invalid wireless network identifier.”
May 15 23:16:12 <veremit> y'never know ... lol
May 15 23:16:33 <__butch__> # /etc/init.d/wicd restart
May 15 23:16:44 <OnlineCop> veremit: Do I restart it via /etc/init.d/wicd restart ?
May 15 23:16:48 <OnlineCop> Oh, thanks __butch__
May 15 23:16:51 <veremit> yea
May 15 23:17:18 <OnlineCop> *sigh* Still doesn’t see the wireless.
May 15 23:17:54 <veremit> well .. so far .. if iwlist does .. the card works :)
May 15 23:18:13 <__butch__> Does ifup wlan0 do anything?
May 15 23:18:17 <__butch__> Or does it say that it's already up?
May 15 23:18:20 <OnlineCop> My intent here is to let wicd be generic enough that someone can plug in their wifi dongle and it “just works”. Not sure why wicd has to be the badguy in all this. >:-(
May 15 23:18:30 <__butch__> Hopefully it will advertise for a DHCP address.
May 15 23:18:42 <__butch__> Or, if you get the interface up enough, you can manually do it using dhclient.
May 15 23:18:53 <veremit> OnlineCop .. thats never gonna work for the Beagle :P lol
May 15 23:18:57 <OnlineCop> __butch__: ‘ifup wlan0’ gives: “Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0."
May 15 23:19:22 <OnlineCop> veremit: Or even, “Here’s a list of supported wifi dongles. Use one of those. You have been warned.”
May 15 23:19:23 <__butch__> Hmmmmm, I think you should go muck about with /etc/network/interfaces.
May 15 23:19:33 <__butch__> It doesn't cost anything to try, really.  :-)
May 15 23:19:35 <OnlineCop> Yeah; I might have to.
May 15 23:19:40 <__butch__> Just a couple of electrons.
May 15 23:19:41 <veremit> reading ... http://www.bartbania.com/index.php/easy-wireless-configuration-for-raspberry-pi/
May 15 23:20:07 <veremit> you might need to enable wlan in /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf
May 15 23:20:46 <OnlineCop> veremit: I don’t see where I’d add wlan to /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf
May 15 23:20:58 <veremit> mmmm ncurses :)
May 15 23:21:03 <OnlineCop> Maybe under wireless_interface ?
May 15 23:21:26 <__butch__> [Settings]
May 15 23:21:26 <__butch__> backend = external
May 15 23:21:26 <__butch__> wireless_interface = wlan0
May 15 23:21:26 <__butch__> wired_interface = eth0
May 15 23:21:30 <veremit> thats what this article says
May 15 23:21:42 <OnlineCop> You read faster that me.
May 15 23:21:42 <veremit> that looks about right __butch__
May 15 23:21:57 <veremit> good at scan-reading
May 15 23:22:00 <veremit> :)
May 15 23:22:40 <OnlineCop> w00t: now I can see wireless devices.
May 15 23:22:50 <OnlineCop> I just wish I know which of these steps did it.
May 15 23:22:50 <__butch__> Progress!
May 15 23:23:05 <OnlineCop> Probably just the change to /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf.
May 15 23:23:15 <__butch__> You've only done two, right?  Just undo one of them.  :-)
May 15 23:23:26 <__butch__> And then see if it survives a reboot.
May 15 23:23:27 <veremit> I suspect wicd didn't "see" your wlan :p
May 15 23:24:59 <OnlineCop> So I 1) edited /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf to include "wireless_interface = wlan0"
May 15 23:25:05 <OnlineCop> 2) Ran /etc/init.d/wicd restart
May 15 23:25:09 <OnlineCop> 3) service wicd start
May 15 23:25:18 <veremit> 2 = 3
May 15 23:25:31 <OnlineCop> So with # 1 done, a restart should effectively re-call 2 or 3.
May 15 23:25:53 <veremit> yup
May 15 23:25:57 <OnlineCop> I sure hope it’s this easy to do on all 29 other boards.
May 15 23:26:01 <veremit> lol
May 15 23:26:02 <OnlineCop> …waiting for the reboot.
May 15 23:26:29 <OnlineCop> Yeah; we’ve ordered BBBs in bulk so we can distribute them with our 3D printers, and having something like this not work is kind of a pain.
May 15 23:26:31 <veremit> if you've done it once ..
May 15 23:26:50 <OnlineCop> Then you write a shell script so you can do it everywhere else!
May 15 23:26:53 <OnlineCop> Automation, baby!
May 15 23:26:54 <veremit> its usually all sorted
May 15 23:27:14 <veremit> otherwise you got gremlins at play
May 15 23:27:30 <OnlineCop> Yay! That fixed it. Documenting the steps now.
May 15 23:27:36 <OnlineCop> Thanks both veremit  and __butch__
May 15 23:27:39 <veremit> np
May 15 23:27:46 <__butch__> You're welcome!  I'm out — have to go teach a class.
May 15 23:30:42 <OnlineCop> Okay, more of a python question: I had to rewrite the wicd interface because there’s no keyboard attached to this BBB. It should be opening a virtual keyboard that I wrote, but the keyboard doesn’t work.
May 15 23:31:02 <OnlineCop> The same keyboard works on all my other Entry boxes that wicd uses; just not one of them.
May 15 23:31:24 <OnlineCop> Is there a way to debug the python script to see where it’s going or why it’s not connecting to my callback?
May 15 23:31:44 <veremit> hmm no expert on python here .. but there must be a way to debug
May 15 23:31:55 <veremit> you can surely printf to console?
May 15 23:32:00 <veremit> debug.print/etc
May 15 23:37:39 <OnlineCop> Yeah; I’ll just pepper this with print statements.
May 15 23:37:59 <veremit> works for me .. comment/delete them when done :)
May 15 23:49:21 <ds2> the dog speaks
May 15 23:50:09 <veremit> woof
May 15 23:51:27 <ds2> voice recogonition is pretty robust
May 16 00:01:15 <ds2> the ADCs are incredibly noisy
May 16 00:02:10 <OnlineCop> s/ADC/ACDC/
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