**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 20 02:59:59 2014 May 20 03:39:44 why am I unable to update the software using #opkg update May 20 03:40:05 I have searched for a while to no avail May 20 03:51:10 Can anyone tell me what ADC resolution is on a BBB? ie how many bits. May 20 04:24:16 12 bit May 20 06:42:23 can you provide any links for openwrt porting on bbb , i have tried with openwrt-bbb-master on this link https://github.com/artekw/openwrt-bbb May 20 06:42:38 but this fails... May 20 10:17:51 hi May 20 10:21:06 deluxe247: http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7814 May 20 10:51:35 deluxe247: http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7814, you times out after last time I linked it May 20 11:16:00 gcc/config/i386/arm_neon.h - how sweet: https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/95080/ May 20 11:17:22 hi any one can help me about TI launch pad May 20 11:17:30 timmer operation May 20 11:47:48 i ve a strange thing, using console=ttyO1,115200 stops my kernel May 20 11:48:35 do i need to configure it ealier in the dts , maybe in am335x-bone-common.dtsi instead my cape dts ? May 20 14:07:19 Hello, I am looking to get advice on the feasibility of a project. Is this the right place for that? May 20 14:07:36 probably not :-) May 20 14:07:44 hyprodimus: we cant say May 20 14:08:48 Would the forums be better then? May 20 14:10:27 just ask May 20 14:10:31 also, there is no forum May 20 14:10:35 there is a mailing list May 20 14:12:29 Hmm ok May 20 14:12:47 so? May 20 14:12:52 what project? May 20 14:14:55 I am looking to use an LCD screen with an electronic board to display a GUI. It takes analog input from a potentiometer too. I am thinking of using the Beagle becacuse the Pi doesnt take analog and Arduino doesnt have an OS to run a GUI made in QT May 20 14:15:15 feasible May 20 14:16:15 ok, thought so =) Are my assumptions right in that the Beagle is the right board for the job? (I know the answer will be slightly biased being on the beagleboard chat) May 20 14:17:30 anyone have a comment about omap_wdt on BBB ? is it suppose to work or not ? May 20 14:35:52 @av500: thanks, is starting to work with Beagle difficult coming from an Arduino Background? I hear that you can use an assortment of languages May 20 14:36:27 If you know enough code to be able to work fluetnly with Qt, you will probably be ON. May 20 14:36:30 *OK May 20 14:38:07 Yeah, I saw a guy on youtube do a QT tutorial on GUIs. Ive only done them in Visual Studio before. May 20 14:42:20 YOu have worked with Qt in Visual Studio? May 20 14:42:27 Interesting. May 20 14:42:41 Would not be my choice of combination, but whatever works for you. May 20 14:43:17 hyprodimus: BBB vs arduino is different May 20 14:43:26 the "linux PC" background is more helpful May 20 14:45:32 ^^^ May 20 14:45:49 Because, after all, the bone is just a Linux PC with a lot of GPIO. May 20 14:46:46 No, I have done GUIs in Visual studio. But I know they can also be made cross platform in QT May 20 14:46:58 ... and limited very memory/storage May 20 14:47:05 Not that limited. May 20 14:47:28 Yeah, thats why I was leaning towards the pi and bbb May 20 14:47:33 hyprodimus: Ah. Well, Qt is not the same as .NET, though some concepts are naturally the same. May 20 14:47:35 512 MB is pretty limited depending on what you're trying to do with an app May 20 14:47:46 512MB, of what? May 20 14:47:53 ram May 20 14:48:52 Pretty sure if you are running into RAM issues, you are either doing it wrong or using the wrong device. May 20 14:49:01 Or both. May 20 14:49:28 English does not make the distinction clear between exclusive-or and boolean-or. May 20 14:50:20 we have a 3d app running on our hybrid of the classic and xM and we're running up against the memory limits... although we only have 256MB on our boards May 20 14:51:03 640kb should be plenty May 20 14:51:19 hyprodimus: you can do cross platform in VS in .net May 20 14:51:21 yeah,, for command line dos maybe :P May 20 14:51:57 people are spoiled now May 20 14:52:12 I agree, but we are where we are May 20 14:52:29 i did cooling system for a nuclear power station in less thatn 750kB May 20 14:52:42 of code + data May 20 14:53:06 jacekowski: did it work? May 20 14:53:30 i've not heard about any power stations in finland exploding recently May 20 14:53:32 so i presume yes May 20 14:53:36 :P May 20 14:53:51 jacekowski: Ill look into it, thanks May 20 14:54:14 hyprodimus: .net will not fit in 640k though May 20 14:54:25 hmm, i wonder if battery -> system parts can be added to bbb... so it can be used with battery May 20 14:54:34 make board too expensive? May 20 14:54:39 s/make/makes/ May 20 14:54:48 ketas: add external battery May 20 14:55:00 ketas: The bone already has the battery-management IC populated. May 20 14:55:01 there are capes for batttery power May 20 14:55:20 ketas: i'm not a big fan of batteries May 20 14:55:24 they run out when you need them May 20 14:55:24 jacekowski: Doesnt the black have much more memory than 640k? May 20 14:55:37 hyprodimus: ...yes. That was a joke. May 20 14:55:51 and take too long to charge May 20 14:56:04 agmlego: yea, but there is no usb +5v then... how i'm going to get that? May 20 14:56:06 right....haha oops May 20 14:56:16 batteries are nice for backups... assuming they work when you need them May 20 14:56:30 indeed, in my case i probably use external battery with separate charger May 20 14:57:07 the 640k thing was a quote associated with something Bill Gates once said May 20 14:57:10 ketas: Why do you need 5V? May 20 14:57:10 i traced the circuit so see what works from battery and i found that most of things don't? May 20 14:57:15 including emmc? :P May 20 14:57:22 unless i looked it wrong May 20 14:57:35 I think you probably looked wrong. May 20 14:57:59 so there is boost circuit somewhere there? May 20 14:58:10 There may be. May 20 14:58:21 It has been many months since I looked at the schematics. May 20 14:58:38 normally it's buck because +5v is higher than all voltages needed to operate board May 20 14:59:44 agmlego: for usb May 20 15:00:06 ketas: Bah. Not like USB is useful anyway. May 20 15:00:07 ;-P May 20 15:00:14 heh May 20 15:00:29 i even thought about wifi adapter with some other bus interface May 20 15:00:59 that's the main usage of usb May 20 15:01:17 But yeah, really, you probably want to look into a proper cape for this, or an external battery system, if you insist on having USB Vbus. May 20 15:01:35 Plenty of WiFi adapters that speak UART or SPI. May 20 15:01:44 the RN-XV for instance. May 20 15:02:04 uart is just crazy... i found wifi adapter with at command set May 20 15:02:07 wtf is that May 20 15:02:17 i mean at with wifi... May 20 15:02:22 Why not? May 20 15:02:26 crazy idea :P May 20 15:02:34 AT is a perfectly cromulent method of in-channel control. May 20 15:03:36 i wonder if you can use "modem disconnect bug" there May 20 15:03:45 Unlikely. May 20 15:04:10 That did not even work on all modems of the day. May 20 15:06:37 well, there is easy solution too... big portable power pack with +5v output May 20 15:08:43 * SoCo_cpp_ kicks the soaker May 20 15:08:50 (wrong channel) May 20 15:09:07 it's nice how bbb pmic even has interruptless power failover from one to other output May 20 15:09:21 s/output/input/ May 20 15:39:52 are the modules used or pvr the same, and just the libraries different, between version 3.0 and version 5.0... or are they both different? May 20 15:43:54 Hi all, I am new to beagle board. Get a problem about how to connect to board to computer. I use the usb cable and get no response when I try http://192.168.7.2 . btw my op is window 8, board is XM and I installed the drive. May 20 15:44:55 Thx for help May 20 15:47:37 how are you trying to connect? May 20 15:47:39 RedRobin28 use a serial console May 20 15:48:24 ssh/web browser? May 20 15:48:56 yeah, ftdi cable is the ultimate answer... if you have one May 20 15:53:27 I followed the "getting started" tour and used the micro use cable in the package May 20 15:55:07 woglinde, by using serial console, do you mean by using and monitor to connect to the board? May 20 15:55:47 thurgood, yes exactly, i am trying to use the web ssh May 20 15:56:57 ssh is generally not web, unless you have a plugin for it, such as google's chrome ssh plugin May 20 15:58:04 are the lights blinking? May 20 15:59:47 yes, it is blanking May 20 16:00:44 i can hear the usb connecting sound from windows, but it is connecting on and off and on and off. May 20 16:01:27 I am trying the ssh plug for chrome now, hope it works May 20 16:10:30 I had to connect/disconnect a couple of times before it showed up properly in windows 7 May 20 16:28:32 which is the watchdog driver for the bbb ? May 20 16:28:35 omap_wdt ? May 20 16:30:32 rob_w I think so May 20 16:30:59 seems to not work for me May 20 16:33:44 rob_w maybee its broken May 20 16:33:57 which kernel do you use? May 20 16:34:14 a 3.8.11 with patches May 20 16:34:49 hm the watchdog got more love in upstream May 20 16:35:10 omap_wdt you mean ? May 20 16:37:02 yes May 20 16:54:18 AndyS May 20 16:54:56 Anyone know when the Black will be available in the UK? May 20 16:56:13 Yes. When you order one and wait. May 20 16:58:39 people are buying faster than supply can keep up with, you may have to get on a waiting list and wait May 20 16:59:09 Faster than, or exactly at the same rate. May 20 16:59:29 Basically, if you wait for stock to show, you will never get one. But product is moving, and quickly. May 20 17:00:04 same places are limiting to 1 per order too May 20 17:00:29 some May 20 17:02:32 Thanks guys. I thought that there were none. My bad. I'll order one and wait. May 20 17:16:06 anyone recommend a BBB distro that hotplug usb works with? May 20 17:16:48 .q May 20 17:18:33 Gateway69: did you ask on the mailing list? May 20 17:19:39 Gateway69 lol May 20 17:19:42 there is none May 20 17:20:02 try a kernel from upstream and pray that it is fixed May 20 17:20:17 heh.. yea.. that sucks.. its not like people use usb these days :/ May 20 17:22:46 Gateway69 depends May 20 17:23:04 I’m using the latest debian image but I copied an old kernel over it. Am I asking for trouble or is that ok? May 20 17:23:57 upwardindex depends May 20 17:24:29 upwardindex if you copied 3.8 kernel it should work I think May 20 17:25:11 woglinde: It’s a 3.2, the system boots and everything but perhaps a crash is just waiting to happen? May 20 17:25:46 the only issue you might run into is if the kernel is to old for udev ... but thats apparently not the case May 20 17:25:52 (else it wouldnt boot) May 20 17:27:46 (once debian switched to systemd and kdbus things will be different, today you should be able to use any kernel with it ... as long as udev can cope ) May 20 17:30:15 well, the debian images for the BBB are using systemd... May 20 17:33:45 vagrantc intressting May 20 17:38:22 vagrantc, oh, for init = May 20 17:38:23 ? May 20 17:38:42 ogra maybee rcn made it May 20 17:39:00 i cant imagine thats stable enough yet May 20 17:39:20 given there are still a ton of init scripts needing porting May 20 17:39:39 and systemd doesnt provide any backwards compatibility like upstart does May 20 17:40:21 systemd is surely used for udev and logind (consolekit replacement) ... since it just swallowed them May 20 17:40:44 but i cant imagine it for init yet ... not even in unstable May 20 17:42:01 ogra I am running systemd too on my jessie May 20 17:42:39 ogra systemd supports sysv stuff May 20 17:42:49 so whats not backward compatbile? May 20 17:48:39 oh look the BBB_Rev_C has arrived ;-) May 20 17:49:25 Tought thtat'd get some attention. :^} May 20 17:49:37 lol May 20 17:51:43 ogra_: Ok, I’ll double check my sd card then, I don’t know what I’m doing wrong but these SD cards are dieing on a regular basis. May 20 17:52:16 None yet, but waiting on 5, ordered today. Working on getting what I need from Deb 2014-04-23 on a Rev B. for now. May 20 19:38:08 ogra_: yes, it uses systemd for init ... the wheezy version at that May 20 19:38:31 oh, wow May 20 19:38:51 seems to work fine-ish. May 20 21:32:16 Where can I find the .config used to compile the kernel in the debian image? May 20 21:32:48 rcn's website, proc, boot directory, etc May 20 21:32:51 if you're lucky its in /proc May 20 21:33:01 as 'config.gz' May 20 21:33:09 else /usr/src/linux :p May 20 21:33:35 http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black May 20 21:34:12 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian has some infos/links May 20 21:35:50 nyt-, veremit: thanks! May 20 21:36:00 np May 20 21:55:15 Has anyone ever made an automatic slideshow (via HDMI) on a BBB, I can't find any evidence... May 20 21:55:33 Like a digital picture frame, but on an HDMI tv... May 20 21:55:47 How would you do it in Angstrom? May 20 21:56:25 so, an html5 slideshow in your browser of choice... May 20 21:56:42 using any random board to run the browser? May 20 21:56:58 there's nothing beagle-specific here May 20 21:57:16 you could write the browser in assembly May 20 21:57:32 ok, and that could 'read' the images from the SD card in the BBB? May 20 21:58:02 has anyone ever used a beaglebone to visit myspecialidea.somedomain.com? if nobody's done it i won' buy the board! May 20 21:58:06 it won't be connected to the internet... May 20 21:58:46 last i heard, html could be stored locally. has that changed since 1896? May 20 21:58:56 oops, 1996 May 20 21:59:09 yeah, but I have no idea what I doig in 1986 or now May 20 21:59:22 evidently. May 20 21:59:38 I've sent days just tring to get a stupid sldeshow out of my BBB May 20 21:59:58 it.s a solvdd problem and not a beagle-specific one. get it working on a laptop first. May 20 22:00:00 I need the IDIOTS guide... May 20 22:00:37 the idiot's guide to embedded hardware is the store return policy May 20 22:00:45 use a linux PC, set it up like you need ... repeat the same on the beagle May 20 22:00:54 you need to bring some clue to the party .. May 20 22:00:54 I can do it on a laptop no problem, just use preparatory software May 20 22:01:32 a beagle is not different to a PC ... just smaller May 20 22:01:41 I tried transfering some bits I use on Ubuntu, but the whole opkg thing is not working for me May 20 22:01:56 yeah angstrom is great fun .. >,< .. not. May 20 22:01:59 use a debian image then May 20 22:02:00 there were 1.4 million dependencies that were not me May 20 22:02:16 there even the package names are the same as on ubuntu May 20 22:02:48 then set it up on your PC .... once done, do the same on the beagle ... done ... May 20 22:03:23 so I can just replace sudo apt-get with opkg? May 20 22:03:51 ...install May 20 22:04:16 debian uses apt May 20 22:04:38 use a debian image then May 20 22:05:39 OK, cheers for the tips. If I get it working I'll publish it as the first person on the internet to show a BBB being used as a digital picture frame / auto slideshow May 20 22:05:57 special May 20 22:09:01 I'll give £58 right now to anyone who can give a URL showing a BBB (Angstrom) as a digital picture frame via HDMI May 20 22:09:31 eww why hdmi?! be a perfect use case for a LCD7 imho :) May 20 22:09:41 cape+* May 20 22:09:58 I need to show it on a big TV at a venue - HDMI is a must May 20 22:10:10 omg thats gonna look a bit .. erm .. May 20 22:10:18 * veremit backs out of this one .. lol May 20 22:10:34 look sh*t? May 20 22:10:48 * veremit .. no comment. May 20 22:10:59 tell me now and I'll stop May 20 22:11:07 use the Pi *runs* lol May 20 22:11:25 16 bit colour only on the Beagle for starters. May 20 22:11:31 oh! May 20 22:11:36 thats gonna show up ona big screen May 20 22:11:52 better to get a laptop :) May 20 22:12:08 especially if you got high res scans/photos May 20 22:12:21 anyone selling a used one May 20 22:12:22 it'll be quicker loading too .. and memory requirements May 20 22:12:31 right, thanks for that. I'm gonna stop bashing my head against a brick wall on this one (and making a tit of myself here) May 20 22:12:34 * veremit laughs and puts pifan on ignore. May 20 22:12:36 just do the scans in 16bit ;) May 20 22:13:04 the ideas cool .. just not for the big scale. May 20 22:13:23 the laptop was a first choice, just thought a BBB would be better in a party environment May 20 22:13:32 i.e. cheap if it gets trashed May 20 22:13:32 just my 2cents May 20 22:13:53 uHDMI also a potential weakness May 20 22:14:23 surprised more boards aren't using mini- May 20 22:15:16 bed now - thanks May 21 00:09:04 damned boardzoo... ordered something wednesday still no shipping confirmation May 21 00:13:03 and now it's no longer listed on their site May 21 00:15:42 scratch that... it's no longer listed as a "black" compatible cape :/ May 21 00:16:22 May 21 00:27:16 i just negotiated for a BBB for 40 bucks May 21 00:27:20 i hope its a good deal May 21 00:28:45 lolol May 21 00:29:01 lets see if you get it .. and it works! :p May 21 00:35:55 i paid £6 for my BBW :) May 21 00:44:44 is that hite? May 21 00:44:47 white May 21 00:45:12 yep May 21 00:45:30 whatat that do May 21 00:46:21 its similar to a black but without nand and hdmi port and a bit lower preocessor speed less ram etc etc May 21 00:47:09 hm May 21 00:47:13 id pay 12 dollars for that May 21 00:47:16 i don need the hdmi May 21 00:47:19 im gonna run it headless May 21 00:47:23 as a freepbx server May 21 00:48:39 mine is basically a headless server and forms part of my home automation system May 21 00:48:49 cool May 21 00:48:55 id probably use it for something lke that anway May 21 00:50:01 mine is coupled with several arduinos , one or 2 eeproms and a gsm module and a shed load of other stuff like pir sensors and infared stuff May 21 00:51:12 well im ttying to buy a gsm modem May 21 00:51:15 to use chan dongle May 21 00:51:19 to make a gsm gateway May 21 00:51:45 thats one project the other project is linking a security camera also to a cell phone netwrok but i might use my PI for that one May 21 00:56:02 ive got a nice Siemens T35 that has a handy uart interface May 21 00:56:14 and it does http streaming May 21 00:57:44 whats s iemens t35 May 21 00:57:46 sound liek a terminator May 21 00:58:04 its a gsm module May 21 01:00:44 hmm May 21 01:00:47 sounds expensvie May 21 01:00:49 im poor and cheap May 21 01:10:16 was £16 of ebay May 21 01:12:35 thats how many usds May 21 01:17:28 i dont know lol google it :) May 21 01:18:05 lol May 21 01:18:10 u shoukd know May 21 01:18:12 ur mercantile ppl **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 21 02:59:58 2014