**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 08 02:59:59 2014 Jul 08 05:17:16 hi Jul 08 05:58:04 hey, i just plugged in my bbb via usb and the 4-led bank is flashing back and forth, not booting properly.. anything I can do to resolve this? Jul 08 06:04:35 luastoned: what makes you think it's not booting properly? Jul 08 06:04:58 no ssh connection after ~15sec, and the 4 led keep flashing one after another (and back) Jul 08 06:05:04 luastoned: what did you do before you plugged in now? which distribution is installed? sd-card or eMMC? Jul 08 06:05:35 I disconnected it yesterday (after building a kernel), latest debian / sd-card Jul 08 06:05:50 disconnected by pulling the usb cable.. Jul 08 06:06:07 you didn't bother to shut it down properly? Jul 08 06:06:29 did you install the kernel that you built? Jul 08 06:06:35 tbh I just got it two days ago and was not aware of that (I do own a RPi where you HAVE to pull the power..) Jul 08 06:06:43 nope, just build it Jul 08 06:07:31 even on the RPi you should shut it down before you cut power, I'm pretty sure Jul 08 06:08:15 I plugged it in again and now all 4 leds are turned on, nothing else happens Jul 08 06:09:13 you probably don't have a proper serial cable at hand? Jul 08 06:09:27 Not really, just usb Jul 08 06:09:57 i tried out with angstrom distro, for i2c io expander. Am getting " [ 1435.382453] omap_i2c 4819c000.i2c: controller timed out" timeout error. Jul 08 06:13:53 elinuxer: burn ... burn... Jul 08 06:13:59 also the bbb does not boot without the sd card.. seems like I really screwed up :c Jul 08 06:14:22 elinuxer: are you sure you haven't damaged i2c? Jul 08 06:16:54 elinuxer: have you tried vanilla angstrom distrib with all things diconnected from i2c? Jul 08 06:17:59 maquefel : i gave it to hardware team for testing Jul 08 06:19:54 maquefel : No , i tried angstrom prebuilt images for BBB Jul 08 07:30:59 morning Jul 08 07:40:38 hi Jul 08 07:50:32 hi Jul 08 07:51:58 mkad: about bb and bbb capes are not fully compatible Jul 08 07:52:15 usually bbb compatible are marked as compatible Jul 08 08:02:44 maquefel, but do they have the same footprint ? Jul 08 08:03:07 maquefel, I want to make bbb cap, but I found only dimensions / footprint in manual for bb Jul 08 08:10:58 mkad: they have the same footprint Jul 08 08:11:48 and do you know he difference in pinout? Jul 08 08:12:00 thanks Jul 08 08:16:36 http://eskimon.fr/beaglebone-black-gpio-interactive-map for bbb Jul 08 08:17:24 as for white one see reference manual Jul 08 08:18:03 as far as i understand only P8 is different Jul 08 08:18:35 AFAIU the difference is simply the HDMI and eMMC muxes Jul 08 08:18:57 http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Capes Jul 08 08:25:40 mkad: what exactly do you want on cape? Jul 08 08:42:06 what causes the bbb to flash the 4 leds back and forth? Jul 08 08:42:30 better attach a debug cable Jul 08 08:42:48 buy one if you don't have it Jul 08 08:44:10 hmm, what can I do in the meantime? Jul 08 08:44:52 1) fscheck sd card Jul 08 08:45:04 2) try to boot from nand (just remove the card) Jul 08 08:45:07 3) reflash card Jul 08 08:45:45 4) restore original nand image Jul 08 08:46:13 https://learn.adafruit.com/beaglebone-black-installing-operating-systems/overview Jul 08 08:46:54 the os runs fine.. im curious if there are some status messages that the user leds indicate? Jul 08 08:48:50 all leds means it can't boot for whatever reason Jul 08 08:49:31 no, they flash back and forth.. like xooo oxoo ooxo ooox ooxo oxoo xooo .. Jul 08 08:54:37 as far as i rememebr it means reflashing o_O Jul 08 08:55:07 uh okay, thats weird Jul 08 08:56:50 buy a cable Jul 08 09:00:01 do I want the standard FTDI Cable Jul 08 09:03:32 i use this one http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TTL-232R-3V3/768-1015-ND/1836393 Jul 08 09:06:35 ty Jul 08 09:08:46 np Jul 08 09:16:10 maquefel, I want imu cape Jul 08 09:16:40 luastoned, same happens with my BBB also continously flashes 4 leds Jul 08 09:18:09 luastoned, but I am logged in ^^ Jul 08 09:18:40 maquefel, I am also curious why this flashes back and forth, cause I am logged in and I never bother to ask :P Jul 08 09:20:05 mkad, mine stopped flashing back and forth after about 2 minutes and now it just flashes all 4 :v Jul 08 09:22:08 redo your card, probably something corrupted it. Jul 08 09:25:09 tbr, I am booting from mmc Jul 08 09:25:17 tbr, and I can log in via ssh Jul 08 09:25:25 OS is fully opertional Jul 08 09:26:06 I meant luastoned Jul 08 09:26:22 what I see for me is that 2 longer blinks D2, and 3 shorted blinks D4 Jul 08 09:26:24 is that normal? Jul 08 09:27:18 have you looked up the leds meaning? Jul 08 09:33:15 thanks , its hardware issue. Jul 08 09:34:15 Now i can detect slave address Jul 08 09:37:27 elinuxer, so you found out it didnt work with stock image ? Jul 08 11:48:19 hi im having a problem using xhost + command on beaglebone black Jul 08 11:49:15 error message is 'xhost: unable to open display ":0.0"' Jul 08 11:49:31 use ssh Jul 08 11:50:02 Ravi_, ssh -X ? Jul 08 11:50:03 im typing on console displayed on led panel via hdmi Jul 08 11:50:19 is there an x-server running? Jul 08 11:50:32 how can i check that Jul 08 11:50:37 im a newbie Jul 08 11:50:49 if you could give steps it would be great Jul 08 11:50:50 why do you think you need to run this command? Jul 08 11:51:04 want to display an image via opencv Jul 08 11:51:07 strange.. just today morning we had a newbie in our local ubuntu channel also running into xhost woes Jul 08 11:51:08 we don't give out "exact steps" around here. we help people to figure out their steps. Jul 08 11:51:23 thats fine Jul 08 11:51:27 no idea where they get this idea from, in 10+x years of linux i've never encountered it. Jul 08 11:52:01 Letothe2nd: if you 'su' around a lot it's helpful, but under normal operation completely unnecessary Jul 08 11:52:31 could you please help Jul 08 11:52:33 tbr: probably some idiot(TM) posted a super cool new tutorial somewhere. Jul 08 11:52:39 Ravi_: ok, so which operating system du you run on your beaglebone? Jul 08 11:52:41 Ravi_: of course. don't use xhost. Jul 08 11:52:45 Letothe2nd: most likely Jul 08 11:52:50 ubuntu 14.04 Jul 08 11:53:08 does it give you a graphical login on the HDMI output? Jul 08 11:53:17 are any of the buttons on the BBB usable simply as a push button input? Jul 08 11:53:36 k-man: I think so, the SRM should know Jul 08 11:53:46 tbr: it gives no gui. just the shell Jul 08 11:53:54 tbr, srm? Jul 08 11:54:01 SystemReferenceManual Jul 08 11:54:19 Hello to all, I have a BBB rev B and would like to replace the OS which is installed on it by Debian 7.5. I don't want to install it on a SD card, but on its internal memory. I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 as host system and the image BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.5-2014-05-14-2gb.img.xz downloded available from http://beagleboard.org/latest-images. I'm trying to follow the instructions, but it seems they don't apply to the disk image I have downloaded Jul 08 11:54:24 any clues? Jul 08 11:54:29 @tbr: it gives no gui. just the shell Jul 08 11:54:36 Ravi_: then you should install a graphical environment first. Jul 08 11:54:45 I don't have in ubuntu any devices /dev/ttyUSB* Jul 08 11:54:45 Ravi_: no need to repeat yourself. Jul 08 11:55:04 although I have ran mkdevrules.sh (adapted to rev B) Jul 08 11:55:20 I can connect on BBB by ethernet over usb Jul 08 11:55:24 leandrosansilva: that image goes onto a SD card Jul 08 11:55:31 @tbr: i tried installing graphical environment. it crashes after login Jul 08 11:55:38 and there's the device /dev/ttyACB0, which I can connect using screen Jul 08 11:56:31 Ravi_: have you considered using an image that comes with a working graphical environment? Jul 08 11:56:35 tbr, and is there a image I can use to replace Angstrom? Jul 08 11:56:47 I don't want to use an external sd card Jul 08 11:56:54 thanks tbr Jul 08 11:57:01 @tbr: I've tried with angstrom. It is working fine there Jul 08 11:57:24 @tbr: I was hoping to use a minimal distribution and doing it Jul 08 11:57:54 * tbr bursts into laughter at "ubuntu" being implied as a minimal distribution Jul 08 11:58:07 leandrosansilva: the one you have looks right Jul 08 11:59:15 cute Jul 08 11:59:39 omg Jul 08 11:59:43 poobuntu minimal Jul 08 11:59:57 * mkad rotfl Jul 08 11:59:58 leandrosansilva: there should be instructions how to extract and dd that to a sd card as a flasher Jul 08 12:00:27 tbr, that made my day, do you have more often people comming here and claiming something similar ? :D Jul 08 12:00:43 mkad: all the time man, all the time. Jul 08 12:01:02 tbr, ubuntu is like a curse ... Jul 08 12:01:27 tbr, so it means I have to install the image from a pre installed system on a SD card from beaglebone? Jul 08 12:01:28 tbr, they even install on work stations in the scientific facility I work in Jul 08 12:01:49 can I install it directly from my development machine? Jul 08 12:02:05 leandrosansilva, you flash SD card using sd card read in your laptop or extrnal one Jul 08 12:02:10 leandrosansilva, you plug the card into BBB Jul 08 12:02:12 leandrosansilva: you put that image on a SD card, boot the board from that card, the board 'flashes' the eMMC with the desired content. Jul 08 12:02:18 leandrosansilva, it should flash emmc when booting Jul 08 12:02:39 after it's done flashing you remove the card and live happily ever after Jul 08 12:02:58 leandrosansilva, this image you downloaded is called "flasher" so its intended to flash emmc with Debian 7.5 Jul 08 12:03:33 ok, I got it. thank you. I didn't figure out I a SD card is required Jul 08 13:20:10 mkad did you update your kernel to rev60? Jul 08 13:29:18 luastoned, I didnt do anything besides upgrading wheezy to jessie Jul 08 13:29:51 hmm, ive re-setup my sd card 3 times now and it always appears to be after the kernel update (the blinking).. :v Jul 08 13:29:53 luastoned, I needed new compiler and some libraries and backports always break more than do good Jul 08 14:32:40 hola muchachos Jul 08 14:53:10 anybody try out https://developer.ibm.com/iot/recipes/ti-beaglebone-sensortag/? Jul 08 14:53:35 I am not Jul 08 15:02:31 jkridner: I was thinking about picking up a sensortag Jul 08 15:02:40 lasertag? Jul 08 15:03:00 I'm trying to figure out if the sensors it comes make it worth playing with... Jul 08 15:03:11 trying to get the list of them now. Jul 08 15:03:29 jkridner: it should be on the processors wiki Jul 08 15:03:31 * wmat looks Jul 08 15:03:41 isnt a bbb a tiny bit overpowered for this? Jul 08 15:04:16 found em: temperature, humidity, pressure, accelerometer, gyroscope and magnetometer Jul 08 15:04:36 dey: as a data collector to serve up info over the web? Jul 08 15:04:59 dey: also, the data could be useful as an addon to another project Jul 08 15:05:03 I think the web interface stuff leveraging Linux's ability to run scripting languages and have a great networking stack make the Bone suitable. Jul 08 15:05:23 you could hook up a bunch of them for an environmental system. Jul 08 15:05:29 i think we talk about different things here. Jul 08 15:05:48 my bad Jul 08 15:09:50 jkridner, is that sensor board a cap board? Jul 08 15:11:48 jkridner: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Bluetooth_SensorTag?INTC=SensorTag&HQS=sensortag-wiki Jul 08 15:12:18 cap? Jul 08 15:12:53 jkridner: lots of great links from that wiki page, such as http://www.zephyr-labs.com/?p=87 Jul 08 15:20:22 hey guys.. after first reboot on my beaglebone "After Debian MMC flash" the board fails to restart Jul 08 15:21:13 brimestone yes and now? Jul 08 15:21:36 brimestone maybe connect a serial console and lookup why it doesnt boot? Jul 08 15:22:03 the usb you mean? Jul 08 15:22:45 one that works and shows you the boot messages Jul 08 15:23:04 the usb serial console is enabled a bit too late for boot problems. Jul 08 15:23:46 * vagrantc wonders if it would be feasible to add usb-otg support to u-boot... Jul 08 15:24:03 what software can i use to log in serial? i normally go in via usb0 Jul 08 15:24:14 vagrantc is not there a little bit otg in u-boot? Jul 08 15:24:41 ahh even the "boot" image that mounts on my desktop doesnt show up Jul 08 15:24:41 brimestone read the TRM do look up where to connect the serial console? Jul 08 15:24:58 even the Beaglegone usb ehtyernet does not show up Jul 08 15:27:10 Readme shows to install Serial driver for OSX Jul 08 15:27:13 and i installed it Jul 08 15:27:18 yes Jul 08 15:27:21 woglinde: i think so, but i don't think the support is there for the beaglebone black ... not sure if there's generic usb gadget support in u-boot Jul 08 15:27:26 but thats for usb only Jul 08 15:27:30 but nothing Jul 08 15:27:52 * vagrantc tries to dig up a helpful link regarding serial console Jul 08 15:27:53 i dont see any ports aside from the micro usb Jul 08 15:28:10 brimestone look the TRM up, you will need a ftdi compatible serial cable Jul 08 15:28:28 usb only works with u-boot and kernel Jul 08 15:28:30 Hi I have installed the latest emmc version of debian wheezy 7.5 and I can't stop the BBB from falling to sleep ! any ideas ? Jul 08 15:28:37 not much in google about that.. Jul 08 15:28:40 well i might not have ftdi serial cabe Jul 08 15:28:47 ill just reflash it Jul 08 15:28:48 brimestone buy one Jul 08 15:28:53 brimestone try Jul 08 15:29:40 after i reflash it.. it would work fine, then i get Wifi to work and mount an ext3 fs via the micro sd.. Jul 08 15:29:49 then if i reboot.. it just wont statt up again Jul 08 15:30:39 brimestone: you've done this more than once? Jul 08 15:30:57 like a lot! since friday when i learned about the new debian.. Jul 08 15:31:07 had it for since last year.. Jul 08 15:31:11 i have the 2GB mmc one Jul 08 15:31:44 so you maybee flashed an image which is to big Jul 08 15:31:50 brimestone: for reference: http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial Jul 08 15:32:00 well after flash.. its at 93% Jul 08 15:32:06 then update gets to 99% Jul 08 15:32:37 oh i have the cable from my Mikrokopter Jul 08 15:37:36 what should i do with the small MMC Jul 08 15:49:37 hey guys.. do i need to press and hold the "power" botton to power it up? even if i replug the usb or 5V adaptor? Jul 08 16:02:23 brimestone: it should just power on Jul 08 16:06:44 i know Jul 08 16:07:37 you asked a question, i tried to answer... Jul 08 16:13:32 :) Jul 08 16:24:21 is there any way to speed up gpio interaction? i wrote a hd44780 python driver via /sys/class/gpio..and its so slow. i can read faster than the display puts out the letters :P Jul 08 16:24:41 if you want faster, write a kernel driver Jul 08 16:24:49 or don't use python Jul 08 16:25:07 would C really make that much of a difference? Jul 08 16:25:19 not really Jul 08 16:25:25 thats what i thought Jul 08 16:26:00 kernel drivers make me shiver. ive never done it before Jul 08 16:26:10 dont even know where to start Jul 08 16:27:28 oh, look, someone did it for you: http://lcd-linux.sourceforge.net/ Jul 08 16:27:50 and the search engine of my least distrust delivered other useful looking hits too Jul 08 16:29:09 http://lcdproc.omnipotent.net/hardware.php3 Jul 08 16:29:23 is there an X11 driver for hd44780? Jul 08 16:29:26 im less interested in using it than writing it :D Jul 08 16:29:46 the writing itself shouldnt even be the biggest issue Jul 08 16:29:56 i just dont have zero understanding of the kernel Jul 08 16:30:09 -dont Jul 08 16:30:27 there are books about that :) Jul 08 16:30:38 how do i boot on the SD card for my BBB? i think 2GB mmc is too small for Debian Jul 08 16:31:46 you're doing mighty much with that tiny board if you exceed 2GB just for the OS... Jul 08 16:32:06 plug in a bootable card and hold down the boot selector button while powering it on Jul 08 16:32:19 or kill MLO on the eMMC boot partition Jul 08 16:32:31 or adjust uboot on emmc to boot SD instead Jul 08 16:34:58 tbr, how do i do the 3rd option? adjust the uboot? Jul 08 16:42:34 tbr: the debian image is just barely under 2GB. Jul 08 16:42:47 tbr: hence the revC switching to 4GB. Jul 08 16:43:28 vagrantc: I doubt it was debian Jul 08 16:43:51 I think it was just the part being discontinued Jul 08 16:45:15 tbr: yes, that wa a factor as well, but the debian image was around 1.7-1.9 GB during development, it became clear we needed more space for the debian image. Jul 08 16:46:08 vagrantc: I just checked and the debian image on my bone uses 1.3GB of 1.6G rootfs. Jul 08 16:46:57 while not plentiful, it's still quite some space Jul 08 16:47:14 ofc if someone doesn't know how to tune2fs -m0 Jul 08 16:48:56 tbr, -m0 may make your life miserable Jul 08 16:49:23 tbr, it's just saying that you dont care about logging facilities and if something goes wrong you dont want to have debugging information Jul 08 16:49:51 or don't care to have Jul 08 16:50:36 I know this cases are rare when disc is full, but it may happen Jul 08 16:50:37 mkad: it's an embedded device. which sane person logs much on those? Jul 08 16:50:59 and yes, I'm obviously fully aware of the full filesystem corner cases. Jul 08 16:51:39 tbr: this was an image from: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images ? Jul 08 16:51:55 vagrantc: it's an SD-card 2GB image from a while ago, yes Jul 08 16:52:02 huh. Jul 08 16:52:14 kernel is a 3.8.13-bone41, you do the math Jul 08 16:52:27 March 4th it says Jul 08 16:52:29 tbr, what I mean is that if unaware user fills up disc by running some script creating nested links (this will show that there is a lot of space, but in fact nothing can be written), or fills up disc with data, than there will be no logging anymore which might save a day of troubleshooting Jul 08 16:53:26 mkad: as said, aware of it, wouldn't advocate it as a default, but as a conscious choice is perfectly fine IMHO. Jul 08 16:53:37 tbr, true Jul 08 16:54:24 tbr, once all works and if you dont intend to touch it why not ;) Jul 08 16:55:41 or if you just urgently need the space and don't give a f* if you need to reflash it later on Jul 08 16:56:14 also I'd probably first try -m1 and see if that's enough, before going nucular(sic!) Jul 08 17:00:23 vagrantc: how do i deal with this my BBB 2GB with Debian? Jul 08 17:05:43 brimestone: use an SD card? Jul 08 17:05:59 brimestone: or, if you don't need the full GUI environment, uninstall some packages... Jul 08 17:06:08 as if it's a full GUI environment, heh. Jul 08 17:06:22 yes.. i dont need GUI at all... Jul 08 17:06:41 if i use the SD, is there performance(speed) penalty> Jul 08 17:07:17 i think the SD is slower, yes. Jul 08 17:07:30 not much slower Jul 08 17:07:38 depends on application Jul 08 17:07:45 and if you do a lot of IO Jul 08 17:07:50 let me try removing the gui first and see where that puts me Jul 08 17:13:00 also depends on the SD card Jul 08 17:13:10 a lot of cards suck badly at random IO Jul 08 17:13:17 is there any tutorial on how to remove GUI? Jul 08 17:13:33 I'd just use apt-get or aptitude Jul 08 17:13:44 apt-get remove kde? Jul 08 17:13:59 no idea which desktop environment it uses... Jul 08 17:15:15 lmao Jul 08 17:15:57 lxde is the default environment Jul 08 17:16:06 brimestone, there is no beagle tutorial how to use linux/debian but there are plenty of books and readings online how to use Debian Jul 08 17:16:09 although it seems that the autoremove stuff isn't working well Jul 08 17:17:08 brimestone, you could try removing gtk library and xserver and see what pops up in dependencis Jul 08 17:17:14 i fairly ok with Debian as i deal with them pretty much all day at work.. Jul 08 17:17:33 im not not use to working with 2GB of space.. Jul 08 17:17:45 i mean my RAM on my servers are at 64GB Jul 08 17:18:31 As a note, that 2GB is not RAM... Jul 08 17:19:22 i know.. im just pointing out that its really hard to work with 2GB or MMC and after OS, its like at 1.3 ( then update gets you to 1.9 ) Jul 08 17:20:05 brimestone: this seems to take off 200MB on my install: apt-get --purge autoremove x11-common Jul 08 17:20:06 brimestone: Right, but you are comparing your servers' 64GB RAM to the bone's 2GB flash storage. Jul 08 17:20:24 brimestone: And, there are many, many tutorials out there for slimming down debian. Jul 08 17:20:47 er, that also removes node and all that... Jul 08 17:21:00 brimestone: I have personally never had an issue working with limited disk space. What is it you are trying to do? Jul 08 17:21:05 agmlego: yes.. but don't you think a manufacturer should give you such option.. Jul 08 17:21:15 brimestone: What option where? Jul 08 17:21:53 agmlego: at this point, im just trying to get the bbb to connect to the WIFI and get it stable.. so far, i got it to work via static but after reboot.. it fails to power up again Jul 08 17:22:10 That, uh, does not sound like you have a space issue. Jul 08 17:22:19 im going to try this ----> apt-get remove gnome gnome-utils gnome-core gnome-desktop-data gnome-desktop-environment Jul 08 17:22:26 there was some recent talk about providing a very minimalist image as well Jul 08 17:22:42 vagrantc: Where? Jul 08 17:23:48 rcn seems to have a small image: https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-07-03/ Jul 08 17:23:50 no idea if it works Jul 08 17:24:31 do you guys all have the 4GB mmc? Jul 08 17:24:33 brimestone: if gnome is installed, that seems to be your problem Jul 08 17:24:46 brimestone: as that's not in the default image Jul 08 17:25:14 brimestone: Nope, I have 2GB. Jul 08 17:25:17 no, not sure if gnome is installed.. i downloaded the image from bbb site Jul 08 17:25:39 agmlego: Are you running Angstrom, ubuntu, or Debian? Jul 08 17:25:53 brimestone: well, if you want to trim down the image, you probably want to focus on packages that are installed :P Jul 08 17:26:10 brimestone: Debian and Angstrom. Jul 08 17:26:35 agmlego: What space do you have left after Debian? Jul 08 17:27:04 No idea, I have not recently checked. But everything I need it to do, it does, so there is obviously no space issue. Jul 08 17:27:47 Hi Jul 08 17:27:52 anybody there? Jul 08 17:28:08 after trimming out some extra kernels i installed, i've got my image down to 1.7GB ... though i've probably a few other packages installed beyond the base image. Jul 08 17:34:23 im looking for someone who has a master degree in setting up a 'locale' file. :P Jul 08 17:34:45 day: No universities offer that. Sorry, you are out of luck. Jul 08 17:34:53 my root locale is correct. my user locale isnt... Jul 08 17:35:03 one is utf8 the other posix Jul 08 17:35:45 day: running debian? Jul 08 17:35:49 yes Jul 08 17:35:59 that doesnt sound good :X Jul 08 17:36:09 sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales Jul 08 17:36:15 you should be able to set a system-wide locale Jul 08 17:36:17 default Jul 08 17:36:36 im gonna be mad if that works ;D Jul 08 17:39:15 i daresay, i have no degree related to this... Jul 08 17:41:06 doesnt work Jul 08 17:42:12 add a new user, do they get the correct locale? Jul 08 17:42:19 here a nice screenshot http://pastebin.com/9aE4etPf Jul 08 17:42:23 no they dont :> Jul 08 17:43:57 vagrantc: someone yesterday recommended me to export the locale. But im unsure how i have to approach this Jul 08 17:47:18 ok Jul 08 17:47:20 i got it Jul 08 17:47:58 but only temporarily via export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 Jul 08 17:50:46 day: grep -E -i -r 'lang|lc_all' /etc/skel ? Jul 08 17:52:31 vagrantc: nada Jul 08 17:54:21 day: anything in /etc/default/locale? Jul 08 17:54:44 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 Jul 08 17:54:55 :) Jul 08 17:55:31 +1 for your thought process though : D Jul 08 17:55:49 grep ^[a-z] /etc/locale.gen Jul 08 17:56:22 en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 Jul 08 17:56:47 maybe the export changed things that wouldnt be there after a restart, because my locale looks fine now too Jul 08 17:57:23 day: are you SSHing in? Jul 08 17:57:27 yes Jul 08 17:57:38 but thats a non issue imo Jul 08 17:57:43 your remote ssh session inherits your local locale IIRC Jul 08 17:57:52 Has anyone setup the 4 or 7 inch LCD cape on the newer kernels which don't have the cape manager support? Jul 08 17:58:28 tbr: root works fine. other users dont. besides im sshing from a windows machine. And sshing onto another server doesnt cause this problem either :/ Jul 08 17:58:42 granted windows has a locale too Jul 08 17:58:46 mhm Jul 08 17:59:33 one export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 and my world is fine Jul 08 18:00:53 what does that line actually do? Jul 08 18:01:28 it overrides your LC_ALL to that value Jul 08 18:01:32 for your current shell Jul 08 18:01:37 until you log out Jul 08 18:01:49 so theres no way of forcing it to be permanent :/ Jul 08 18:02:23 ~/.profile might help, but I'd try to figure out where the problem comes from instead of band-aiding it Jul 08 18:02:50 im open for suggestions. Ive no idea where else to look :/ Jul 08 18:03:11 but i totally agree. fixing it with a workaround is not what i want Jul 08 18:03:25 you should be able to call ssh without exporting the locale environment variables... Jul 08 18:03:33 if that's really what's going on Jul 08 18:04:10 day: are you able to log in from the console, rather than via ssh? does it exhibit the same problem? Jul 08 18:04:37 vagrantc: no chance Jul 08 18:05:07 JFTR on my image here it inherits the LANG and all LC_ variables from my local machine Jul 08 18:05:15 both for root and other users Jul 08 18:05:48 do i have to maybe create the user in a special way? Jul 08 18:05:55 i used adduser iirc Jul 08 18:06:37 day: you can force the locale settings in any number of different ways, but if the locale you're forcing it to isn't supported on the machine you're sshing from, you may have troubles. Jul 08 18:07:29 vagrantc: thats fine. en_US.UTF-8 shouldnt cause any problems anywhere Jul 08 18:09:56 day: you could also fix your locale settings on the machine you're sshing from... Jul 08 18:10:20 day: and switch back to not setting a default locale on the debian machine... Jul 08 18:16:45 vagrantc: the client is unable to pass its locale settings, because the sshd wont accept it. I will activate it to see whats going to happen Jul 08 18:23:21 yo mrpackethead Jul 08 18:32:35 is it normal that debian eats the complete 2gb emmc memory? o0 Jul 08 18:33:03 with complete i mean, i cant even add a few characters to a text file anymore :D Jul 08 18:33:44 maybe you have a runaway log file or soemthing? Jul 08 18:34:05 it should be rather big :/ Jul 08 18:34:09 i definitely recall it eating most of 2GB on a fresh install, but it looks like recent images are a bit more trim Jul 08 18:39:07 Hello Jul 08 18:39:16 Do you know when can I place order BBB? Jul 08 18:39:56 From topic " | BBB is being sold faster than produced. Order one and wait. There is no other way. |" Jul 08 18:40:28 where in the world, youngmok ? Jul 08 18:41:08 they are in stock here o0 Jul 08 18:41:29 Hello Jul 08 18:41:40 I am working in a robotics area, UT Austin Jul 08 18:41:52 So say, I really want to have BBB T_T Jul 08 18:41:56 It is out of stock Jul 08 18:46:49 what vendors have you tried? Jul 08 18:49:42 https://www.adafruit.com/products/1876 - In Stock .. allegedly :D Jul 08 18:49:53 hes long gone Jul 08 18:50:54 http://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/ Jul 08 18:51:02 feckin useless Jul 08 18:51:09 ty btw :p Jul 08 18:51:18 wastin my bits and bytes :D Jul 08 18:51:52 ut austin... heh I could probably throw a spare one and hit him form here Jul 08 18:52:14 anyone built us a google bot for here yet? Jul 08 18:52:19 :p Jul 08 18:52:51 or hand one to our intern who is also working at a ut lab this summer :P Jul 08 18:53:11 a FAQ bot would be really useful. Jul 08 18:53:12 could anyone roughly tell me how much memory debian needs? Jul 08 18:53:57 day: depends on what you're doing with it... Jul 08 18:54:21 vagrantc: just the vanilla debian offered on the official site Jul 08 18:54:41 that + japanese font + irssi fills my drive to 100% Jul 08 18:54:49 i doubt that this is right Jul 08 18:55:54 that doesn't sound right at all Jul 08 18:55:59 memory or storarge? Jul 08 18:56:05 but then I don't know how bloaty the new deb images are Jul 08 18:56:16 storage sorry Jul 08 18:56:32 how is your eMMC partitoned? Jul 08 18:57:05 depending on the flashing method it may not have allocated all space Jul 08 18:57:35 rootfs 1.7G udev10M tmpfs 100M Jul 08 18:57:50 omg Jul 08 18:57:54 what did i just write Jul 08 18:57:55 xD Jul 08 18:58:54 1.7G / Jul 08 18:58:54 10M /dev Jul 08 18:58:54 100M /run Jul 08 18:59:16 well, /dev and /run are probably tmpfs. Jul 08 18:59:31 there should also be /boot/uboot ? Jul 08 18:59:59 /boot/uboot is 96MB Jul 08 19:00:13 df -h will tell how much is used and such Jul 08 19:00:36 yeah thats where im copying it from atm Jul 08 19:00:40 ah Jul 08 19:00:53 day: that should still leave some free space... Jul 08 19:01:06 well / is full 100% Jul 08 19:01:24 the other partitions are fine Jul 08 19:12:15 any idea how i can approach this storage problem>? Jul 08 19:18:25 mrpackethead, ? are you connected?! lol Jul 08 19:37:05 day: are you on a rev C ? Jul 08 19:37:55 thurgood: no idea :X is it printed on the board? Jul 08 19:38:29 I think it's printed near the barcode... but mine rubbed off Jul 08 19:39:04 thurgood: well its not a week old. But i live in germany. Jul 08 19:39:06 if you bought in the last month or so it's likely a C Jul 08 19:39:36 this month Jul 08 19:40:00 is that a problem? Jul 08 19:40:12 you have about double the space of what you're seeing then Jul 08 19:40:41 you mean i have 4gb? or im seeing twice the usage? Jul 08 19:41:01 the Rev C board has 4GB of eMMC Jul 08 19:41:20 but your partition seems to be about 2GB Jul 08 19:41:48 did you flash the eMMC yourself? Jul 08 19:42:00 thurgood: hm the packaging says 2gb Jul 08 19:42:14 hmm, maybe it's not a C then :/ Jul 08 19:43:35 I thought the older boards were all sold out about two months ago Jul 08 19:44:12 thurgood: packaging says rev b Jul 08 19:44:17 i just used https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-07-01/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.5-lxde-2014-07-01-2gb.img.xz to flash the eMMC and it seems to be using 1.5GB of 1.7GB without having done anything to it. Jul 08 19:44:29 lol Jul 08 19:44:31 only 126MB free space. Jul 08 19:44:47 then its useless... is there anything smaller than that? Jul 08 19:44:50 ouch Jul 08 19:45:27 as i said earlier, the space constraints were part of the reason the revC had 4GB on it. Jul 08 19:45:29 there's other debian packages out there that don't have all the desktop stuff Jul 08 19:45:46 wait they stuffed in all the desktop stuff? Jul 08 19:45:49 xserver etc.? Jul 08 19:45:53 yes Jul 08 19:45:55 lol Jul 08 19:45:59 yes, it includes a desktop by default. Jul 08 19:45:59 here i come 1gb Jul 08 19:46:37 it will run better without the desktop too, if you don't need it Jul 08 19:46:44 we really need an image targeted at the 2GB eMMC boards... Jul 08 19:46:50 im exlusively sshing onto it nothing else Jul 08 19:46:56 yeah, just sits there eating ram... Jul 08 19:47:23 why would someone even consider using it as a desktop machine T_T Jul 08 19:48:24 download a minimal debian rootfs Jul 08 19:48:30 on the plus side .. its not ubuntu .. :D Jul 08 19:48:57 eewiki.net has a good page on it .. walks you through kernel building too :) Jul 08 19:49:01 day: if you're willing to experiment: https://rcn-ee.net/deb/testing/2014-07-03/bone-debian-jessie-console-2014-07-03-4gb.img.xz Jul 08 19:49:27 * vagrantc wonders why it's listed as 4GB ... but eh. Jul 08 19:49:30 has rcn got the New beagle capemgr implementation in yet? Jul 08 19:50:47 why do you need a desktop image Jul 08 19:51:20 some people try to use the bbb as a desktop replacement... not quite there imo, but the price is right Jul 08 19:51:59 for limited tasks, it's useful. Jul 08 19:53:00 https://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black there should be a minimal debian rootfs on there Jul 08 19:53:58 hrm. apparently, i should split the beaglebone package into a couple packages, as it has a hard dependency on xserver-xorg-video-modesetting... Jul 08 19:54:28 meaning i cant even remove the xserver? Jul 08 19:55:20 and xinput-calibrator Jul 08 19:55:32 day: for the most part, the beaglebone package is just a dependency package Jul 08 19:56:05 day: so you'll want to mark the dependencies that you want as manually installed, and then you can remove it Jul 08 19:58:23 * vagrantc wonders how much space is taken up by nodejs Jul 08 19:59:15 wpasupplicant....wicd...wireless-tools...WHY Jul 08 20:01:44 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black 179MB debian image for beaglebone :3 Jul 08 20:02:25 bloaty bloaty bloat Jul 08 20:02:27 -sigh- Jul 08 20:02:52 it sounds like you want some other image, no sense asking why, this is obviously not targeted for your use cae. Jul 08 20:03:41 ? Jul 08 20:03:47 why do you think that? Jul 08 20:03:56 because it has lots o things you don't want? Jul 08 20:04:06 it has less things than i have now :/ Jul 08 20:04:13 like, a desktop environment, wireless tools ... Jul 08 20:04:30 if you have a smaller one feel free to link it Jul 08 20:04:37 already did... Jul 08 20:05:19 i missread the 4gb part... my bad Jul 08 20:05:42 day, if you're looking to save space check out emdebian Jul 08 20:06:17 day: i'm not positive, but i don't think it's really a 4GB image. Jul 08 20:06:31 vagrantc: will see Jul 08 20:07:04 KaaK: im not trying to save the last few MBs... I just want a decent amount of storage to play with Jul 08 20:09:16 day, in that case, you might checkout debootstrap for bootstrapping debian root filesystems -- you'll need to fill in a few BBB specific details (fstab, inittab, /dev nodes, ect) to make it boot, but you'll end up with a pretty light system Jul 08 20:09:17 so, "sudo apt-get install nodejs-legacy npm ; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove x11-common" seems like it would free up 200MB... Jul 08 20:11:11 and if you don't need nodejs*, so much the more space available... Jul 08 20:11:25 but yeah, debootstrap a system if you really want something minimal Jul 08 20:12:38 debootstrap is a tool which will install a Debian base system into a subdirectory of another, already installed system. o0 doesnt that eat additional storage? Jul 08 20:20:30 day, you will want the debootstrap target to be the eMMC Jul 08 20:22:04 i.e. boot via SD, clear out the eMMC's rootfs partion (NOT the boot partition), and point debootstrap to your newly nuked eMMC rootfs partition. Jul 08 20:22:26 KaaK: ah, ok. Jul 08 20:23:14 keep in mind that you will still need to fill in a few BBB specifics. debootstrap will NOT make a fstab, inittab, certain dev nodes, and probably a few otherthings that currently escape me Jul 08 20:23:58 i'd call it a medium to expert skill level task, and i'd only attempt it if you know what you're getting into Jul 08 20:24:07 sounds ugly if i only have access via ssh :/ Jul 08 20:25:13 you're at no risk of bricking anything -- you can always re-flash the emmc, but it won't be a walk in the park if you've never attempted such a thing Jul 08 20:27:19 i'd probably do it running from SD, and over the USB serial console -- additionally, i'd copy over the existing fstab, inittab, mtab, from the eMMC and use them. No need to write them from scratch. Jul 08 21:50:30 guys when flashing mmc, is 4 blinking led means its still flashing or something wrong? Jul 08 21:55:58 brimestone: how long has it been going? Jul 08 21:58:14 long time.. prolly over an hour Jul 08 21:58:52 should be done by now Jul 08 21:58:58 try rebooting Jul 08 22:06:28 rebooting now Jul 08 22:07:28 the only led that on is the one next to the 5V input jack Jul 08 22:07:35 is there any other button i need to press? Jul 08 22:09:16 just remove card and reboot Jul 08 22:09:32 yes.. reboot like unplugin the usb Jul 08 22:09:55 if that didn't work. try writing the card again and reflash. Jul 08 22:10:14 (I don't know the blink pattern for the debian flasher when done, someone said they should turn off) Jul 08 22:11:08 yes.. it just turns off, i've done 3 times now.. but this time.. it just flashes.. then i reboot ( removing the sd ) then nothing happens just the 1 led next to the 5v jack lit.. nothing else Jul 08 22:13:30 i dont remember this being this PITA Jul 08 22:16:18 which store sell beaglebone black in bay area? Jul 08 22:16:42 Sean___ Jamesco has them Jul 08 22:16:51 you know where they are? Jul 08 22:18:30 jameco has BBB's? Jul 08 22:19:10 thats where i got mine.. from what i can remember Jul 08 22:19:17 there's a list of vendors at http://beagleboard.org Jul 08 22:19:47 I mean in bay area Jul 08 22:19:55 which bay area? Jul 08 22:20:03 not online store,thank you Jul 08 22:20:13 sf? sd? hudson? tampa? .... Jul 08 22:20:16 sf Jul 08 22:20:24 jameco is a store in the sf bay area Jul 08 22:20:27 you can't buy online? Jul 08 22:20:28 they do will calls Jul 08 22:20:36 thank you Jul 08 22:20:46 why not?! Jul 08 22:20:52 nice folks, just surprise they carry them Jul 08 22:21:43 where in the sf bay area are you coming from, Sean__? Jul 08 22:21:57 ucb Jul 08 22:22:00 I-80?! :D Jul 08 22:22:02 or santa clara Jul 08 22:22:19 ucb is quite far away Jul 08 22:22:30 santa clara is still somewhat of a drive Jul 08 22:22:40 with the price of gas, shipping is cheaper :( Jul 08 22:22:57 yes Jul 08 22:23:00 if he can't buy online .. for w/e reason .. Jul 08 22:23:04 he's gonna drive it. Jul 08 22:23:17 online has "inventory" issues Jul 08 22:23:39 Sean! take mine... Jul 08 22:23:50 save my sanity :D Jul 08 22:23:50 the inventory is fine .. its justthe stock and control :p Jul 08 22:24:05 and especially a lack of supply Jul 08 22:24:14 <__butch__> It doesn't look like Jameco has them, though. Jul 08 22:24:23 <__butch__> Availability: ship in 10 days Jul 08 22:24:31 <__butch__> And that's for an A6B Jul 08 22:24:59 <__butch__> Oh, and they want $88.95 for them. :-( Jul 08 22:25:16 <__butch__> If you're willing to pay that and you can get by with a rev A, get it from Radio Shack. Jul 08 22:25:33 order and wait Jul 08 22:25:41 the days of suppliers keeping stock of the BBB are well gone Jul 08 22:25:51 at least you'll get one that way Jul 08 22:26:01 pick somewhere with a semi-decent lead time :) Jul 08 22:26:19 Sean__ take mine.. you can bring it home tonight :D Jul 08 22:27:27 they don't damage in transit .. mine's been on three trans-atlantic crossings so far ... :D Jul 08 22:31:44 veremit: the question is will it make more transatlantic crossings ;) Jul 08 22:32:12 lol indeed :) Jul 08 22:32:25 maybe a battery cape is required now :D Jul 08 22:32:48 and wings ... Jul 08 22:47:43 ok.. after 5th time or flashing.. its finished ( shutdown ) but after i reboot, i get a "boot" mounted on desktop and not access to 192.168.7.2 Jul 08 23:04:08 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black "(error -84: which may mean you've reached the max number of erase/write cycles...)" whats the number? Jul 08 23:21:50 brimestone : grep 84 /usr/include/bits/errno.h Jul 09 00:17:35 Hi, anybody here can help me with openocd+gdb ??? Jul 09 00:33:24 errr.. its not the BBB, its my computer not establishing the 192.168.7.1 network up. plug the BBB into a separate machine and it worked like a charm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 09 02:59:58 2014