**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 28 03:00:01 2014 Jul 28 08:10:04 Latest finding from my mmc woes is that I don't have a DTO of 14, like you guys :) Jul 28 08:11:07 I use 2.6.39 from sakoman, and that computes and sets a DTO of 11. That *has* to be the issue. I'm sure of it... Jul 28 09:48:24 Hi everyone Jul 28 10:02:06 I would like to know if someone has already used the beaglebone to display ASCII on several epapers. I'm an engineering student, doing my internship, and i discovered the beaglebone 1 month ago. I've found the way to create an image that the EPD is able to display, i've programmed something doing this stuff, something that drives a relay with GPIO to reduce the consumption, but I can't find the way to display on more than one displa Jul 28 10:05:19 If someone is interested by my work, I would obviously be please to share what i've already done. Jul 28 11:18:21 guys Jul 28 11:18:35 who can recommend soldering paste for appliyng by hand? Jul 28 11:18:56 <_av500_> the grey one tastes best Jul 28 11:19:01 for use with air gun Jul 28 12:13:43 av500: The one with lead? Yeah, it has a nice flavor. Jul 28 12:45:17 av500 is does the gpio support the event file descriptor? Jul 28 12:45:37 and if so is there a epoll ready function to use from python? Jul 28 13:06:23 <_av500_> cityoflights2: I dont know Jul 28 13:07:17 In the raspberry pi there is RPIO which includes epoll support for the gpio Jul 28 13:09:13 cityoflights2: PyBBIO has epoll based gpio edge interrupts Jul 28 13:10:02 cityoflights2: https://github.com/alexanderhiam/PyBBIO/wiki/Interrupts Jul 28 13:11:24 thanks Jul 28 13:42:35 hello Jul 28 13:42:58 I have a small problem with BBB it always load by its self pwm_test_P9_14.16 and 2 other of those Jul 28 13:43:45 reinstall a clean image? Jul 28 13:43:46 I tried different methods as changing kernels, or trying to see if anything from systemctl starts it but nothing to be found Jul 28 13:44:03 is there a way for this to be avoided ? Jul 28 13:44:19 I have lots of configuraitons that I must not loose Jul 28 13:44:37 yes, you can manually dig through your filesystem and logs to see what is happening Jul 28 13:45:17 I have checked systemclt nothing seems to be starting it automatically . anything you suggest to look on ? Jul 28 13:45:21 I am not very good with linux Jul 28 13:45:36 are you using a cape with your BBB? Jul 28 13:45:56 yes a custom made one Jul 28 13:46:05 does it have an eeprom? Jul 28 13:46:49 no it does not Jul 28 13:47:07 I think so. though . we dont need such a thing. and its not connected atm Jul 28 13:47:59 then check when those overlays are loaded Jul 28 13:48:26 what I see in systemctl is that some services access ocp.3 Jul 28 13:48:40 let me paste whataccess it in pastebin Jul 28 13:49:37 http://pastebin.com/eg9NZRFA Jul 28 13:50:53 those as well : http://pastebin.com/TZWy6ELK Jul 28 13:52:05 that doesn't help. you'll have to look at dmesg and or journalctl Jul 28 13:55:32 okay I found the pwm loadings in dmesg http://pastebin.com/wau7AKa5 Jul 28 13:55:42 but I cant understand anything from it Jul 28 13:56:16 also journalctl does not exist as a command Jul 28 14:03:41 tbr-fi: it seems like i must install a fresh image. cheers anyway dude thanks a lot =) Jul 28 14:09:16 wonder what this cape-bone-proto-00A0.dtbo was on his image Jul 28 14:38:33 hi Jul 28 14:41:12 anyone have experience using the McASP on the beaglebone black? Jul 28 14:50:47 does anyone know if beaglebone yocto project support kernel3.8 or not ? Jul 28 14:52:01 <_av500_> you should ask #yocto Jul 28 14:54:33 My BBB suddenly fails to boot from microSD. What could be the problem? Jul 28 14:55:55 <_av500_> sd card dead Jul 28 14:56:00 <_av500_> they do that Jul 28 14:57:47 _av500_: so one way to avoid is use eMMC? Jul 28 15:42:00 my microsd mounts fine on desktop but unable to boot from in BBB :( Jul 28 15:59:21 hi all. regarding to this pinout here (http://www.alexanderhiam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/beaglebone_pinout.png) what tty device is serial5? Jul 28 16:09:22 so I think I fried my element14 BBB now Jul 28 16:10:00 I was using the same power adapter that fried my other BBB, that's all I can guess is the culprit, but I definitely don't know what to think Jul 28 16:10:20 is it the cheap chinese kind? Jul 28 16:10:34 yes Jul 28 16:10:49 made in china 5v 2.5A AC/DC wall plug Jul 28 16:11:13 after it fried it, it doesn't really matter what else I test it with... damage is already done Jul 28 16:11:47 * tbr would avoid the very cheap kind Jul 28 16:12:01 I don't think it was excessively cheap, I think I got it on amazon prime Jul 28 16:12:12 but I won't be using that again if I can get these boards fixed Jul 28 16:12:20 have to RMA one to beagle hospital and contact element14 I guess Jul 28 16:12:28 definitely a bummer Jul 28 16:12:48 had my linuxcnc setup up and working, shut it down, went over to start it back up earlier and did the same thing the old one did Jul 28 16:12:53 with those wallplugs I'd test them and look at the voltage with a multimeter and oscilloscope first Jul 28 16:13:12 don't have an oscilloscope, but I can just use a vreg and bring the voltage down from now on Jul 28 16:13:25 might be the better choice Jul 28 16:13:26 from my machine PSU Jul 28 16:13:51 youre not like Jul 28 16:13:53 putting power to pins Jul 28 16:13:54 nothing else could have fried it. I had it mounted this time nothing near it Jul 28 16:13:55 when the bbb is off Jul 28 16:13:56 are you? Jul 28 16:14:00 no Jul 28 16:14:03 throw in a capacitor on the 5V side to smooth things Jul 28 16:14:36 So I'm having an issue with my BBB where the P8 & P9 headers stopped working (no voltage produced) still boots and runs fine. Re-flashed the emmc and it does the same thing. Anyone seen something like this? Jul 28 16:14:40 tbr-fi: I do when I do a vreg Jul 28 16:14:48 *nod* Jul 28 16:21:42 welp guess I'll run to the post office and get my old BBB sent off. :( Jul 28 17:01:18 so my d-link 5v 3amp adapter shows 4.9v Jul 28 17:01:29 the one I was using that I assume fried both boards was a little over 5.5v Jul 28 17:02:42 IIRC the SRM says 5.1V is max Jul 28 17:03:01 yeah Jul 28 17:03:14 5.5V idle might still be ok if it drops to 5V under load Jul 28 17:03:54 not sure what it was doing, when I twisted the cheap one it dropped off sometimes, like bad contact in the connector or wire or something possibly as well Jul 28 17:03:59 I'm sure that doesn't help any Jul 28 17:05:11 nope Jul 28 17:05:31 5.5V is definitely 10% Jul 28 17:05:54 1% is better :D Jul 28 17:06:54 I'll solder together a protoboard later so when I get another new one I'll keep it regulated well Jul 28 17:06:58 and hope that's my only issue Jul 28 17:07:12 can't be burning up a BBB a week Jul 28 17:15:31 uhno. Jul 28 17:15:48 And LDO will probably take that 5.5V and regulate to 5V Jul 28 17:15:50 an* Jul 28 17:16:01 although perhaps not at 2A output :D Jul 28 17:50:50 !seen mrpackethead Jul 28 17:50:52 :/ Jul 28 17:50:54 ok home time Jul 28 17:51:49 I'm trying to install CherryPy on BeagleBone Black. Jul 28 17:51:52 Any good link with instruction on how to install cherrypy to beaglebone black? Jul 28 17:52:55 http://aquaticus.info/beaglebone-web-led Jul 28 17:54:59 I did try this link but i get an error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "setup.py", line 12, in from distutils.core import setup File "/usr/lib/python2.7/distutils/core.py", line 20, in from distutils.dist import Distribution File "/usr/lib/python2.7/distutils/dist.py", line 10, in from email import message_from_file ImportError: No module named email Jul 28 17:55:20 Anyone else know a better way Jul 28 20:11:25 hi there Jul 28 20:11:54 has anyone tried to enable can0 on Linux arm 3.8.13-bone60 Jul 28 20:12:37 anyone knows how to safely disable i2c2 on Linux arm 3.8.13-bone60? Jul 28 20:13:17 kinkazu: can drivers are not included in most stock kernels Jul 28 20:13:38 i va eit owrking fine Jul 28 20:13:44 i have it working fine Jul 28 20:13:47 but Jul 28 20:13:48 oh, good then Jul 28 20:13:58 the way i disable i2c2 is wrong Jul 28 20:14:05 have got timeout on i2c2 Jul 28 20:14:18 and bbb reboots Jul 28 20:14:32 so it does work but only for a while Jul 28 20:14:38 candump show data from can Jul 28 20:14:52 there is guide how to enable can0 Jul 28 20:15:00 http://www.embedded-things.com/bbb/enable-canbus-on-the-beaglebone-black/ Jul 28 20:15:11 but this is for bone 38 Jul 28 20:15:38 there is a different dtbs structure in bone 60 Jul 28 20:16:01 and it looks like board can live without i2c2 Jul 28 20:16:10 can't Jul 28 20:16:44 i don't won't to revert to bone 38 Jul 28 20:17:00 I'm no specialist but the only thing I can think of is that some of the peripherals on the board are connected via i2c2 Jul 28 20:17:01 would like to have it working on the newest Jul 28 20:17:14 yes Jul 28 20:17:16 are the can pins multiplexed on i2c2 pins? Jul 28 20:17:19 seems to be the case Jul 28 20:17:21 but Jul 28 20:17:26 if it works on bone38 Jul 28 20:17:31 why problem on 60 Jul 28 20:17:42 hardware doesn't change Jul 28 20:17:56 yeah, no clue, sorry Jul 28 20:18:06 will fight Jul 28 20:18:20 was hoping somebody already did that Jul 28 20:18:37 in worst case scenario will go back to 38 Jul 28 20:18:52 give it some time, people in here aren't around 24/7 Jul 28 20:19:04 :D Jul 28 20:19:06 someone may understand your issue better than me Jul 28 20:19:06 yes Jul 28 20:19:09 will wait Jul 28 20:19:19 and try to find something on the web Jul 28 20:27:19 any reason why my tl-wn722n doesn't show up in dmesg? Jul 28 20:29:08 no idea Jul 28 20:52:10 hi veremi Jul 28 20:52:12 t Jul 28 20:52:14 :D Jul 28 20:58:49 yeelo Jul 28 21:03:47 This device requires a UART: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1697 Jul 28 21:04:05 Does this seem easy enough to interrface with the beaglebone Jul 28 21:06:49 the markings look like SPI, not UART Jul 28 21:09:22 has anybody removed successfuly i2c2 from BBB am335x-boneblack.dtb? Jul 28 21:09:35 i mean so no problems are flagged up like Jul 28 21:10:03 [ 0.139596] omap_i2c 4819c000.i2c: did not get pins for i2c error: -19 [ 0.139914] omap_i2c 4819c000.i2c: bus 1 rev0.11 at 100 kHz [ 0.141331] omap_i2c 4819c000.i2c: unable to select pin group [ 1.520015] omap_i2c 4819c000.i2c: controller timed out [ 2.527840] omap_i2c 4819c000.i2c: controller timed out [ 3.535632] omap_i2c 4819c000.i2c: controller timed out [ 4.543592] omap_i2c 4819c000.i2c: controller timed out Jul 28 21:10:11 tbr: in the spec it says: It works by simulating a UART device beneath the surface, sending ASCII data back and forth between the devices, letting you decide what data to send and what to do with it on either end of the connection. Jul 28 21:11:06 kinkazu: pastbin, dawg. Jul 28 21:11:23 I did what was described here Jul 28 21:11:24 http://www.embedded-things.com/bbb/enable-canbus-on-the-beaglebone-black/ Jul 28 21:11:29 Sargun: that's on the BLE side Jul 28 21:12:33 dmesg wyrzuca to Jul 28 21:12:34 http://pastebin.com/L0BLMwYR Jul 28 21:12:42 dmesg output Jul 28 21:12:44 :D Jul 28 21:12:54 first time pastbinning Jul 28 21:13:20 kinkazu .. was it you doin something witha zillion uarts? Jul 28 21:13:26 board restarts for no reason when can0 is enabled Jul 28 21:13:33 works, but board restarts Jul 28 21:13:39 I assume that is the problem Jul 28 21:13:53 i would like to enable can0 Jul 28 21:14:07 for that need to free i2c2 pins Jul 28 21:14:09 but Jul 28 21:14:27 http://www.embedded-things.com/bbb/enable-canbus-on-the-beaglebone-black/ Jul 28 21:14:33 what is described here Jul 28 21:14:51 allows can0 work, but boards restarts after a while Jul 28 21:14:58 when in use Jul 28 21:15:18 i think that if i remove i2c2 entirely Jul 28 21:15:20 it might work Jul 28 21:15:29 can use can1 as I use uart1 Jul 28 21:15:35 and they share pins Jul 28 21:15:40 tbr: You're right, it is SPI Jul 28 21:16:08 The physical ACI interface on nRF8001 consists of five pins. All ACI data exchanges use a standard SPI Jul 28 21:16:11 interface, with nRF8001 using a mode 0 slave interface to the application controller. Jul 28 21:16:13 can't use can1 I meant Jul 28 21:17:21 need can0, but how to get rid off i2c2, who knows Jul 28 21:18:16 shared pins between cans and uarts and i2c is really painfull design Jul 28 21:18:45 nobody anticipated you'd want to use all of them simultaneously :p Jul 28 21:18:46 unless it can be done :D and i2c2 can be disabled Jul 28 21:18:50 its an Option :P hehe Jul 28 21:18:51 :D Jul 28 21:19:00 either/or Jul 28 21:19:01 :P Jul 28 21:19:07 that is the last one I need Jul 28 21:19:37 4 uarts working, i2c1 working Jul 28 21:19:40 i need can0 Jul 28 21:19:57 hdmi working Jul 28 21:20:06 uart5 not used Jul 28 21:20:32 do you think it is possible? Jul 28 21:20:39 disable i2c2? Jul 28 21:20:51 but properly? Jul 28 21:21:08 should be .. dtbs?! Jul 28 21:21:15 yes Jul 28 21:21:24 but whatever I do Jul 28 21:21:35 results in Jul 28 21:21:39 not booting Jul 28 21:21:41 or Jul 28 21:21:48 http://pastebin.com/L0BLMwYR Jul 28 21:21:54 timeout Jul 28 21:22:04 like something wants it to work Jul 28 21:22:09 and then reboot Jul 28 21:22:21 after sometime of using can0 Jul 28 21:23:00 better check through dependencies Jul 28 21:23:10 easy to say Jul 28 21:23:15 i am not a programmer Jul 28 21:23:21 or electrnic engineer Jul 28 21:23:33 just clever enough to do what is on the internet Jul 28 21:23:56 and this is impossible to find Jul 28 21:24:23 usually I do hundreads of test and at some point I find slution Jul 28 21:24:32 but playing with dtbs Jul 28 21:25:02 is kind of painful as it often results with not booting board Jul 28 21:25:41 will wait here for a while Jul 28 21:25:51 maybe some kind of guru appears Jul 28 21:25:55 :D Jul 28 21:26:08 and will send me dts Jul 28 21:26:14 to compile Jul 28 21:26:40 or dtb Jul 28 21:27:33 omap_i2c 4819c000.i2c: did not get pins for i2c error: -19 Jul 28 21:27:48 yeah, because I commented them Jul 28 21:28:08 just go away you you i2c2 Jul 28 21:28:14 :) Jul 28 21:29:58 When the BeagleBone boots it looks to see if it has any capes attached by searching for EEPROM's on the I2C2 bus. If an EEPROM on this bus contains the proper data, it will trigger the BeagleBone to automatically load a Device Tree overlay. Jul 28 21:30:12 that is the problem Jul 28 21:30:19 i don't want him to do this Jul 28 21:33:28 oh Jul 28 21:33:34 you wanna disable the capemgr :p Jul 28 21:33:45 entirely. Jul 28 21:35:45 yes Jul 28 21:36:43 want to get rid of entirely Jul 28 21:36:59 better go explore the kernel sources Jul 28 21:37:16 yes Jul 28 21:37:25 that is probably the answer Jul 28 21:37:35 might be too difficult for me Jul 28 21:37:38 but Jul 28 21:37:43 needs to be done Jul 28 21:37:48 you'll probably get some advice here Jul 28 21:37:54 found something similar for different board Jul 28 21:38:04 only you Jul 28 21:38:06 seem to be here Jul 28 21:38:13 :D Jul 28 21:38:16 get life Jul 28 21:38:18 hehehehe Jul 28 21:38:19 people come .. people go .. :p Jul 28 21:38:28 veremit: stays Jul 28 21:38:41 no I just visit frequently Jul 28 21:38:51 found something like that Jul 28 21:38:53 https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/board-overlays.git/+/015064d9dffee0fa179d847987e87fd3d85f16f6/overlay-beagleboard/chromeos-base/kernel/files/kernel-0.0.1/chromiumos/disable-i2c2.patch Jul 28 21:39:15 so somebody has done it in kernel Jul 28 21:39:34 on the beagleboard Jul 28 21:39:39 which might be similar Jul 28 21:43:05 ok Jul 28 21:43:10 i am in :D Jul 28 21:43:30 /KERNEL/arch/arm/mach-omap2# vi mux.c Jul 28 21:43:49 lets see if there is anything siliar Jul 28 21:45:52 not even a word i2c Jul 28 21:45:55 :( Jul 28 21:50:41 there is one victim though Jul 28 21:50:48 /bb-kernel/KERNEL/arch/arm/mach-omap2# vi board-omap3beagle.c Jul 28 21:51:33 Initial code: Syed Mohammed Khasim Jul 28 21:51:36 :D Jul 28 21:51:51 need to find him Jul 28 21:51:51 :D Jul 28 22:03:25 homing in :) Jul 28 22:06:35 too difficult Jul 28 22:06:49 who is the best to ask Jul 28 22:06:52 about problem I have got? Jul 28 22:07:02 i am sure kernel change is needed Jul 28 22:07:07 as you said Jul 28 22:07:11 agree with you Jul 28 22:08:30 just hang in here and hope .. there are a few ppl that I've come across that can probably point you closer in Jul 28 22:09:06 can't name names though Jul 28 22:10:07 i will repeat endlessly Jul 28 22:28:43 anybody has ever edited board-omap3beagle.c? Jul 28 22:31:02 do it all the time :D Jul 28 22:32:27 :D Jul 28 22:32:35 you are the man I am looking for Jul 28 22:32:36 :D Jul 28 22:32:49 can you help me disbling entirely i2c2? Jul 28 22:32:58 I guess that is the file that needs to be changed Jul 28 22:33:05 I am using beagleboone black Jul 28 22:33:12 beaglebone Jul 28 22:33:14 :D Jul 28 22:33:25 can pay Jul 28 22:33:26 :D Jul 28 22:33:45 for your time Jul 28 22:33:54 where are you? Jul 28 22:33:54 i need can0 Jul 28 22:34:00 united kingdom Jul 28 22:34:10 find someone local Jul 28 22:34:15 easier that way Jul 28 22:34:20 world is local Jul 28 22:34:21 :D Jul 28 22:34:42 can try myself Jul 28 22:34:50 if you point me to the right direction Jul 28 22:35:11 is board-omap3beagle.c the right file to edit? Jul 28 22:35:42 there is omap3_beagle_i2c_init(); in it Jul 28 22:35:59 but i guess commenting this line wont do much Jul 28 22:35:59 :D Jul 28 22:38:40 so is it the right file? Jul 28 22:39:50 it is important to know Jul 28 22:40:05 i can then start at least something Jul 28 22:41:21 the problem is your offer to pay will cost more to accept then it is worth Jul 28 22:41:54 you can do it many ways Jul 28 22:46:25 don't understand Jul 28 22:46:26 :D Jul 28 22:47:05 I will try to do this myself of course and ask on google groups Jul 28 22:47:40 but I am willing to send money through paypal as I am lazy Jul 28 22:47:41 ;D Jul 28 22:48:08 n really but it might take me weeks Jul 28 22:48:15 and my time is valuable Jul 28 22:49:38 $100? Jul 28 22:49:55 I don;t really know what I am talking about :D Jul 28 22:58:43 Hi, the beagle black consumption is about 350mA at 5v. If I have a 7000mAh battery does it mean it will last 20 hours? Jul 28 22:59:51 If the battery is 5v Jul 28 23:00:01 yeah it will be Jul 28 23:00:31 Also, it will be a little more/less depending on usage and number of charge cycles the battery has been through etc Jul 28 23:00:41 But, in a perfect world, yes ;p Jul 28 23:01:13 haha, I guess all specifications are written in the perfect world assumption Jul 28 23:06:33 I wouldn't assume an average of 350mA Jul 28 23:06:40 thats more like a minimum Jul 28 23:07:05 okay Jul 28 23:08:07 ie. doin nothing and no peripherals Jul 28 23:11:08 8-10hrs should be good Jul 28 23:12:02 oh okay Jul 28 23:13:01 might get a bit more .. but always better to err on caution :) Jul 28 23:14:06 depends very much on your application though :) Jul 28 23:15:09 Yeah, are they planning on making a low power version of this ? Jul 28 23:16:06 maybe you want to look at an arduino ;P Jul 28 23:18:59 paypal charges currency coversion fees and other crap Jul 28 23:19:07 wire xfers costs a receive fee Jul 28 23:19:21 it really doesn' matter mate Jul 28 23:19:22 sender pays :P~ whats the big deal!? Jul 28 23:19:24 :D Jul 28 23:19:25 anything outside of the US is expensive to receive the money :( Jul 28 23:19:33 receiver pays Jul 28 23:19:39 money is not a problem Jul 28 23:19:39 in my case it is receiver pays at least Jul 28 23:19:43 wit paypal .. a small proportion Jul 28 23:19:43 problem is i2c2 Jul 28 23:19:45 :D Jul 28 23:20:00 and to be honest Jul 28 23:20:02 I tried working outside of hte US and it is just been trouble so no mroe Jul 28 23:20:09 i dont even know if that is the problem Jul 28 23:20:11 in reality Jul 28 23:20:23 board restarts when i download big file over uart1 and modem Jul 28 23:20:32 and while can0 is enabled Jul 28 23:20:33 :D Jul 28 23:20:40 no problem Jul 28 23:20:42 when disabled Jul 28 23:20:53 i am like a child in a fog Jul 28 23:20:55 :D Jul 28 23:21:08 we noticed ... :p Jul 28 23:21:11 i cant see any relationship Jul 28 23:21:14 :D Jul 28 23:21:21 you are so cruel Jul 28 23:21:22 :D Jul 28 23:22:09 4exaple, right now i have cadump showing can data, mdem pinging no problem Jul 28 23:22:14 what are you doing anways? Jul 28 23:22:20 i start wget some 100mb file Jul 28 23:22:45 multicape Jul 28 23:22:46 :D Jul 28 23:22:49 for myself Jul 28 23:22:51 sigh Jul 28 23:22:55 forget about the cape crap Jul 28 23:22:56 all uarts Jul 28 23:23:02 + can Jul 28 23:23:06 just build a plain old expansion board Jul 28 23:23:06 + hdmi Jul 28 23:23:11 what version of the kernel? Jul 28 23:23:17 buy a white :P lolol Jul 28 23:23:26 Linux arm 3.8.13-bone60 Jul 28 23:23:29 debian Jul 28 23:23:29 Hi! I have a question about putting the BBB into sleep mode -- is there an easy way to get it to sleep for a predefined amount of time without adding an external RTC cape? Jul 28 23:23:37 have got everything working Jul 28 23:23:37 oh ewww debian Jul 28 23:23:40 but it restarts Jul 28 23:23:44 shup ds2 :P Jul 28 23:23:47 its not ubuntu! Jul 28 23:23:56 ubuntu would be EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Jul 28 23:23:57 :P Jul 28 23:24:14 silly when i download big file and when can0 is configured Jul 28 23:24:20 debian is an improvement over angstrom Jul 28 23:24:31 angstrom is more usable Jul 28 23:24:42 I disagree Jul 28 23:24:44 not exactly a fan of angstrom but at least it is less broken then debian Jul 28 23:24:48 and most of the packages are OLDER than debian! Jul 28 23:25:30 have no logs anwyhere Jul 28 23:25:35 about what is causing that Jul 28 23:25:36 hmm Jul 28 23:25:43 it isn't old or not Jul 28 23:25:51 it is about knowing exactly what you have Jul 28 23:26:07 and not getting your ass thrown in the furnance for GPL reasons Jul 28 23:26:38 well depends a lot on your application and whether you're goin commercial :P Jul 28 23:26:48 which never was an intention of the beagle project :P Jul 28 23:27:20 debian is FAR easier to get into for the b00b Jul 28 23:27:23 n000b#8 lol Jul 28 23:28:12 bbb has got a potential for being used in commercial prjects Jul 28 23:28:27 thanks to flash Jul 28 23:28:27 yes thats one problem that has caused supply issues Jul 28 23:28:47 it is not about being commericial or not Jul 28 23:28:50 but there are companies who supply in bulks Jul 28 23:28:57 for commercial purpouses Jul 28 23:29:16 dead again Jul 28 23:29:18 damn Jul 28 23:29:24 I don't see what the problem is with GPL ds2 ? Jul 28 23:29:26 GPL doesn't care about commerical or not Jul 28 23:29:57 if I give you a copy of my uSD card, I am on the hook to provide you with the exact sources I used for the GPL stuff if you so request it. Jul 28 23:30:04 and if I don't know, that puts me in a bind. Jul 28 23:30:14 well damn :P Jul 28 23:30:20 you shuold be more organised lol Jul 28 23:30:21 jk Jul 28 23:30:29 src debs are too easy to lose track of Jul 28 23:30:46 it depends a lot on whether you release .. and support .. so .. Jul 28 23:30:57 read the GPL Jul 28 23:31:09 that is irrelevant. it comes into the play the moment it leaves my hands Jul 28 23:31:44 again .. it depends whether that code leaves your house/office/bench/shed/etc. Jul 28 23:32:04 so what is the easiest way to get rid off i2c2 Jul 28 23:32:05 since debs are precompiled .. I don't see where "sources" come into play tbh. Jul 28 23:32:06 ? Jul 28 23:32:22 kernel sources.. thats different Jul 28 23:32:37 patches/etc .. you probably want to keep track of that for your own purposes. Jul 28 23:33:15 in this day/age its fairly commonplace to hold your code in some form of VCS Jul 28 23:33:18 or DVCS Jul 28 23:33:47 don't get me wrong .. I'm not saying there aren't issues and traps to fall into Jul 28 23:34:16 what traps? Jul 28 23:34:38 but look at what the beagle (and also the raspi) are aiming to achieve .. its a low cost entry-level board Jul 28 23:35:07 its not a professional solution with support package/etc etc. (and the associated cost!) Jul 28 23:36:00 read the GPL requirements Jul 28 23:36:14 it is not sufficient for me to say I used foo bar's sources, go get it there Jul 28 23:39:10 I don't think the GPL is totally unique in that.. :) Jul 28 23:39:26 hence the value of angstrom Jul 28 23:39:33 it takes care of all that. Jul 28 23:41:15 it looks like my problem is not related to i2c2, if i don't do ifup can0, everything is as it should be Jul 28 23:41:34 make sure there is no electrical conflicts Jul 28 23:41:55 hmm Jul 28 23:42:27 when modem does standard stuff Jul 28 23:42:32 everything is fine Jul 28 23:42:45 when working on maximum download Jul 28 23:42:49 that it happens Jul 28 23:42:59 check power Jul 28 23:43:06 max speed and load Jul 28 23:43:09 hmm Jul 28 23:43:12 do you have enough of it? Jul 28 23:43:15 2A Jul 28 23:43:20 but Jul 28 23:43:24 will need tochek it Jul 28 23:43:25 expansion board draws.... Jul 28 23:43:27 you ar eright Jul 28 23:44:17 the only problem is Jul 28 23:44:27 everything is powered up Jul 28 23:44:32 the only differnce is Jul 28 23:44:35 ifup can0 Jul 28 23:44:46 can transceiver suck a lot of juice Jul 28 23:45:02 even if not working Jul 28 23:45:10 it has got power supply now Jul 28 23:45:30 and board restarts even if not scanning canbus Jul 28 23:45:32 calculate the worse case power from all the datasheet Jul 28 23:46:04 board restarts even when i am not using it Jul 28 23:46:12 but Jul 28 23:46:20 will check anyway Jul 28 23:46:24 thank you Jul 28 23:46:30 not using can Jul 28 23:46:41 i meant, not the borad obviously Jul 28 23:46:46 borad Jul 28 23:46:47 :D Jul 28 23:46:49 board Jul 28 23:46:50 :D Jul 28 23:46:52 tada Jul 28 23:47:08 heh... I have seen that typo in committed code Jul 28 23:47:29 :D Jul 28 23:47:41 lying in the bed typing Jul 28 23:47:44 not easy Jul 28 23:49:31 so is it better to use angstrom in commercial projects? Jul 28 23:49:43 when messing with expansion boards, it is best to always do the EE before hand Jul 28 23:49:49 i didn't quite get what you were talking about Jul 28 23:49:51 cuts down on dead stuff Jul 28 23:50:03 it is better to use angstrom. Jul 28 23:50:30 from the legal point of view? Jul 28 23:51:51 is it because i need to provide all source code if asked when I use debian? Jul 28 23:52:04 read the license agreements yourself Jul 28 23:52:08 :D Jul 28 23:52:12 not a lawyer and don't play one Jul 28 23:52:27 i didn't quite get what you were talking about Jul 28 23:52:30 :D Jul 28 23:57:11 http://www.logicsupply.com/blog/2014/05/15/new-embest-board-opens-door-for-beaglebone-black-projects/ Jul 28 23:57:58 it is not that hard to build you own Jul 29 00:00:07 thinking of rolling one around 1.5"x1.5", no HDMI, no eMMC, no ethernet Jul 29 00:00:51 hmm Jul 29 00:01:02 maybe someday my own BBB Jul 29 00:04:04 If you do distribute YOUR APPLICATION, and you used something GPL as part of your application (even if only linking at run-time to a library) - and even if you do not charge money - and even if you do not change that GPL s/w in any way - then you MUST make the source of YOUR APPLICATION available. Making source available does not mean download. IT might be that you must get a written request and you send a photocopy of a listing. Yo Jul 29 00:04:38 nable" handling / copying charge. But you can not escape the obligation to make your own source code available. Jul 29 00:04:52 so you have to but you can print it out :D Jul 29 00:05:02 and send papercopy Jul 29 00:05:25 there is stuff against that too Jul 29 00:05:35 at least the stuff I read...something about machine readable Jul 29 00:05:35 really? Jul 29 00:06:06 does the same thing apply to hardware? Jul 29 00:06:18 donno what it means for hw Jul 29 00:06:25 if i use bbb, do i have to supply hardware designs Jul 29 00:06:27 :D Jul 29 00:06:34 the BBB is not GPL Jul 29 00:06:35 circuit diagrams Jul 29 00:06:44 and etc Jul 29 00:06:46 ow Jul 29 00:06:47 good Jul 29 00:06:49 :D Jul 29 00:08:10 interesting stuff :D Jul 29 00:09:13 , but doesn't make sens. I can contact any company which runs linux server and ask them for source code of their applications Jul 29 00:09:33 very strange Jul 29 00:22:58 on a different thing, has anyone looked at the noise on the ADC? Jul 29 00:24:40 is there a noise on ADC? Jul 29 00:26:20 I see a lot of noise Jul 29 00:32:52 hmm Jul 29 00:33:05 i ahve got only one use Jul 29 00:33:13 measuring v of backup battery Jul 29 00:33:20 and havent noticed any noise Jul 29 00:33:32 but Jul 29 00:33:49 i am noob Jul 29 00:34:35 hello, I'm playing with BeagleBone Black running Angstrom. I would like to configure xorg to not show the mouse cursor, is there any way to do it? Jul 29 00:37:42 google for no cursor touchscreen x ... its possible Jul 29 00:38:59 I'll try, thanx Jul 29 00:39:39 seen results before .. while back now though :) Jul 29 00:48:09 it is workin for longer than before Jul 29 00:48:54 txqueuelen 1000 Jul 29 00:49:10 added to configuration of interface Jul 29 00:49:19 can0 interface Jul 29 00:49:36 anybody is familiar wit it and can confirm that this migh be soultion? Jul 29 00:49:56 I just copied that setting from the web Jul 29 00:50:35 you're probably gonna find that you're gonna hit all the processor bottlenecks by using all the peripherals to the max. Jul 29 00:50:43 http://blog.gegg.us/category/controller-area-network/ Jul 29 00:50:45 but thats cool .. its a learning process Jul 29 00:50:50 i am almost done Jul 29 00:50:53 :D Jul 29 00:50:56 if this works Jul 29 00:51:12 all i need is to tes few inputs and outputs Jul 29 00:51:19 and 3 analog inputs Jul 29 00:51:21 maybe 4 Jul 29 00:51:22 :D Jul 29 00:51:44 looks like it works Jul 29 00:52:04 fingers crossed Jul 29 00:53:37 and reboot Jul 29 00:53:38 :D Jul 29 00:53:39 hahahahahhaa Jul 29 00:55:09 but still this might be it Jul 29 00:55:15 need to check Jul 29 01:20:02 for that stuff, I assume it is a pretty slow sampling? like one shot ever minute or so? Jul 29 01:24:13 yes Jul 29 01:24:32 maybe once per 10s Jul 29 01:25:03 i just dont know what to do Jul 29 01:25:04 :D Jul 29 01:25:11 still doesn't work Jul 29 01:25:23 ah... I am sampling it at 8KHz Jul 29 01:41:13 bye guys Jul 29 01:41:17 thanks for all help Jul 29 01:41:35 will be visiting you more often Jul 29 01:42:06 sleeptyme. . nite beaglers Jul 29 02:15:35 oh no. I looked up 'troll' to see what it meant. I'm a troll!! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 29 03:00:00 2014