**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 07 02:59:59 2014
Sep 07 03:18:17 <codicil> anyone here?
Sep 07 03:20:10 <vagrantc> generally better to just ask about your issue and wait patiently for an answer
Sep 07 03:21:36 <nyt-> yep
Sep 07 03:22:49 <TomAdamBrianStev> hello...
Sep 07 03:22:52 <codicil> I am trying to send serial data from an arduino to my beaglebone via the PyBBIO python library. Have you used this before?
Sep 07 03:23:20 <TomAdamBrianStev> Me? Um...no. I cannot even get my date to work today.
Sep 07 03:23:49 <codicil> anyone*
Sep 07 03:24:14 <TomAdamBrianStev> Have you tried any of the texts?
Sep 07 03:25:54 <codicil> manuals you mean? I have searched all over the internet for a variety of guides for many versions of linux that my BBB is not running. I got serial working once, but then it stopped so I was hoping someone who was familiar with serial communication on the BBB could help me get communication working on a ny serial port
Sep 07 03:26:17 <TomAdamBrianStev> Yes...guides or manuals.
Sep 07 03:26:28 <nyt-> lol python library is poor
Sep 07 03:26:39 <TomAdamBrianStev> Oh.
Sep 07 03:26:40 <nyt-> make sure you have it wired right
Sep 07 03:26:43 <nyt-> with grounds and stuff
Sep 07 03:26:49 <nyt-> tx to rx and rx to tx
Sep 07 03:26:53 <nyt-> common ground
Sep 07 03:27:06 <nyt-> or try it in ruby
Sep 07 03:27:07 <nyt-> https://github.com/notnyt/beaglebone
Sep 07 03:27:11 <nyt-> i hear that actually works ;)
Sep 07 03:27:19 <TomAdamBrianStev> You are not going to believe this...
Sep 07 03:27:46 <TomAdamBrianStev> I just went into "nano" and changed my user name and password (not intentionally).
Sep 07 03:27:59 <TomAdamBrianStev> I meant to change my name but not my password.
Sep 07 03:28:08 <TomAdamBrianStev> Now...the password will not work.
Sep 07 03:28:14 <codicil> what file?
Sep 07 03:28:15 <TomAdamBrianStev> I am out cold. Boo!
Sep 07 03:28:21 <nyt-> well
Sep 07 03:28:25 <nyt-> passwords are stored encrypted so
Sep 07 03:28:26 <nyt-> good job on that
Sep 07 03:28:32 <TomAdamBrianStev> Um...hold on. I cannot even use PuTTY anymore.
Sep 07 03:28:59 <TomAdamBrianStev> I know. I was unaware that I changed my password. I was on user name stuff.
Sep 07 03:30:03 <codicil> what file did you say you nanod?
Sep 07 03:30:03 <honestly> you're babbling.
Sep 07 03:30:09 <honestly> say what file you changed.
Sep 07 03:30:17 <TomAdamBrianStev> Okay...hold on. Let me check.
Sep 07 03:31:06 <TomAdamBrianStev> nano /etc/hosts
Sep 07 03:31:26 <honestly> there are no usernames in that file.
Sep 07 03:31:31 <vagrantc> nor passwords
Sep 07 03:32:11 <TomAdamBrianStev> I put some in there.
Sep 07 03:32:21 <TomAdamBrianStev> By mistake and saved 'em.
Sep 07 03:32:28 <honestly> if you screw it up ssh logins might take a while because it hangs on dns lookup of the hostname.
Sep 07 03:32:36 <TomAdamBrianStev> Okay...
Sep 07 03:33:05 <TomAdamBrianStev> The first time...I did the same thing.
Sep 07 03:33:11 <honestly> but other than that it has no effect on ssh or user login.
Sep 07 03:33:13 <TomAdamBrianStev> The second time...Noooooo!
Sep 07 03:33:37 <TomAdamBrianStev> That is good news but I have no password that is recognizable.
Sep 07 03:34:00 <TomAdamBrianStev> I am using PuTTY b/c I cannot connect w/ any other method.
Sep 07 03:34:23 <honestly> your password didn't change, whatever problem you have is not caused by a password unless you did something else.
Sep 07 03:34:48 <TomAdamBrianStev> That is what I thought. But...my new user name is there now.
Sep 07 03:34:59 <honestly> ...
Sep 07 03:35:11 <honestly> your hostname is not your username.
Sep 07 03:35:21 <TomAdamBrianStev> And instead of my...what?
Sep 07 03:35:37 <TomAdamBrianStev> I might have this article confused...sheesh.
Sep 07 03:36:35 <honestly> if you ssh prompt says foo@bar ~$ that means your username is foo and your hostname is bar.
Sep 07 03:36:48 <honestly> the hostname is the name of the system.
Sep 07 03:37:01 <veremit> type 'who' and 'hostname' :p
Sep 07 03:37:23 <TomAdamBrianStev> I got it now.
Sep 07 03:37:43 <TomAdamBrianStev> I get things confused a lot w/ this board.
Sep 07 03:38:09 <veremit> confusion is going to make the situation a lot harder for yourself
Sep 07 03:38:44 <TomAdamBrianStev> I need to remember stuff or write it down. Yikes!
Sep 07 03:38:46 <TomAdamBrianStev> hahaah.
Sep 07 03:46:13 <codicil> @nyt did you develop or help develop notnyt?
Sep 07 03:52:17 <m_billybob> so poential problem. arduino is 5v ttl where the bbb is 3v3 ttl . . .
Sep 07 03:52:40 <m_billybob> "we're" usig a level shifter
Sep 07 03:52:43 <m_billybob> ?
Sep 07 03:52:43 <veremit> level shifters :)
Sep 07 03:53:07 <veremit> 74hct845 or similar I -think-
Sep 07 03:53:39 <veremit> otherwise use a serial bus eg. i2c
Sep 07 03:54:14 <m_billybob> well im commentng to the above question. i saw no mention of usage of level shifters
Sep 07 03:54:50 <veremit> there are 1/2 of the arduino fam. which are 3v3 I think
Sep 07 05:56:09 <BHSPiMonkey> Hey all
Sep 07 05:56:41 <BHSPiMonkey> Just a quick question about the debian images: The first one on the downloads page says "BeagleBone (Runs on BeagleBone Black as well without flashing the eMMC)"
Sep 07 05:58:02 <BHSPiMonkey> It makes it sound like it's for flashing to a BeagleBone and for running live on a Black, but can't be used to flash on the Black
Sep 07 05:58:10 <BHSPiMonkey> Is that accurate?
Sep 07 06:01:08 <_av500_> its for running live
Sep 07 06:01:22 <_av500_> thus it runs on both
Sep 07 06:01:42 <_av500_> since white has no flash
Sep 07 06:01:49 <BHSPiMonkey> Thanks, I don't know much about the white
Sep 07 07:11:40 <m_billybob> flasher images are intended to be used to flash the eMMC. standalone images are meant to be used with xz / dd to put images on an sdcard
Sep 07 07:14:50 <BHSPiMonkey> flasher images get flashed onto microsd too, though, right
Sep 07 07:15:14 <m_billybob> no
Sep 07 07:15:15 <BHSPiMonkey> they just automatically flash the internal emmc when booted to
Sep 07 07:15:21 <BHSPiMonkey> hmm, then I'm reading this wrong
Sep 07 07:15:29 <m_billybob> well ok maybe
Sep 07 07:15:48 <m_billybob> i have to conceed on that point as ive actually never used a flashe image
Sep 07 07:16:21 <BHSPiMonkey> the wiki basically says to dd the flasher image to a card, insert into the BBB, boot while holding the boot-to-sd button, and wait 45 minutes or so
Sep 07 07:16:26 <m_billybob> but i've done all kinds of tinkering with the stand alone images
Sep 07 07:17:33 <m_billybob> what is it that you want to know ?
Sep 07 07:18:48 <BHSPiMonkey> I was making sure I understood the distinction between the two images properly and what could be done with each
Sep 07 07:18:59 <BHSPiMonkey> I'm reflashing now
Sep 07 07:19:13 <m_billybob> mostly, my own forte is building from source.
Sep 07 07:19:28 <m_billybob> i like *tiny* images ;)
Sep 07 07:20:41 <m_billybob> not much involed when loopback mounting a rootfs and sharing it out over nfs though. pretty simple
Sep 07 07:21:42 <BHSPiMonkey> I like debian images :P
Sep 07 07:22:20 <BHSPiMonkey> I wish I could find a BBB-optimized debian image without the extra software, though
Sep 07 07:22:53 <m_billybob> root@arm:~# uname -a
Sep 07 07:22:54 <m_billybob> Linux arm 3.8.13-bone64.1 #1 SMP Sun Aug 31 13:30:46 MST 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux
Sep 07 07:22:55 <BHSPiMonkey> I actually screwed up my original install trying to disable the included web server
Sep 07 07:23:34 <whash> Hello, when i run systemctl command in BBB (Debian wheezy) i get this error: Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. how can i fix it?
Sep 07 07:23:57 <m_billybob> root@arm:~# du -h / -> 146M	/
Sep 07 07:24:40 <m_billybob> Whash I get that on production Lubuntu 14.04 i tend to ignore it lol
Sep 07 07:25:09 <m_billybob> Wash which image is this and what did you do to it to cause such a problem ?
Sep 07 07:25:20 <BHSPiMonkey> m_billybob: what are you getting out of that extra space you've saved?
Sep 07 07:25:53 <m_billybob> BHSPiMonkey, mmc longevity, albiet i dont boot via mmc media atm
Sep 07 07:26:15 <m_billybob> well i load my rootfs via nfs
Sep 07 07:26:23 <whash> it's a chipsee ( expansion board ) image they gave to me and in first run i get this error  m_billybob
Sep 07 07:26:58 <m_billybob> whash I suggest yo uspeak with them on this matter
Sep 07 07:27:12 <m_billybob> since you probably need their image for your LCD etc
Sep 07 07:28:01 <m_billybob> however give me a minute
Sep 07 07:28:31 <whash> m_billybob can i ignore it  and use legacy /etc/init.d startup scripts?
Sep 07 07:28:47 <whash> or use service instead
Sep 07 07:31:49 <m_billybob> systemd is meant to run side by side with SYSV
Sep 07 07:32:16 <m_billybob> and yes you may use standard inti scripts the lsb header type
Sep 07 07:32:23 <m_billybob> init*
Sep 07 07:33:08 <m_billybob> whash my only concern is that perhaps the chipsee image relies on sysctl to start various hardware services
Sep 07 07:36:53 <m_billybob> systemd is meant to run side by side with SYSV <--- In the context of Debian - just to be clear
Sep 07 07:41:02 <whash> tnx m_billybob for ur answers, somone told me to install systemd-sysv and when i do this i get warning that sysvinit is going to be removed. are u sure. should i answer yes?
Sep 07 07:41:38 <m_billybob> I have no idea how chipsee setup their images
Sep 07 07:42:06 <m_billybob> im guessing their just copied ( mostly ) RCN's stuff, but thats jus taguess on my behalf
Sep 07 07:42:32 <m_billybob> what does uname -a show ?
Sep 07 07:43:01 <whash> Linux beaglebone 3.8.13 #1 SMP Fri Apr 11 15:30:00 CST 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux
Sep 07 07:43:27 <m_billybob> and cat /etc/dogtag ?
Sep 07 07:43:41 <m_billybob> case may be different for Dogtag
Sep 07 07:43:56 <whash> BeagleBoard.org BeagleBone Debian Image 2014-04-23
Sep 07 07:44:10 <whash> what's this?
Sep 07 07:44:13 <m_billybob> yeah thats an old image and it is RCN's
Sep 07 07:44:27 <whash> what do u mean by RCN's
Sep 07 07:44:47 <m_billybob> Robert C Nelson, the guy who maintains the Debian stuff for this hardware
Sep 07 07:45:01 <whash> ah ok
Sep 07 07:45:17 <m_billybob> give me a second
Sep 07 07:45:24 <m_billybob> minute, whatever lol
Sep 07 07:45:28 <whash> :D
Sep 07 07:46:20 <m_billybob> I followed instructions to install Systemd on my latest image trying to fid the right ssh log
Sep 07 07:46:27 <m_billybob> find*
Sep 07 07:46:46 <m_billybob> i thouhgt id give systemd a shot and did tons of reading before i did
Sep 07 07:50:18 <m_billybob> ok
Sep 07 07:50:35 <m_billybob> i found the instructions i followed
Sep 07 07:50:48 <m_billybob> however it may / may not work for you
Sep 07 07:51:11 <whash> i'll be glad to use it
Sep 07 07:51:39 <m_billybob> but pretty much im guessing the peopel at chipsee just installed the regular systemd package, and it really needs to be installed from the backport repo
Sep 07 07:52:15 <m_billybob> let me pastebin what i have
Sep 07 07:56:39 <m_billybob> sorry had to cros multiple system boundries here lol
Sep 07 07:56:42 <m_billybob> http://pastebin.com/jErkkmGX
Sep 07 07:56:57 <m_billybob> So . . .
Sep 07 07:58:09 <m_billybob> you're probably going ot wanto remove systemd on the system first by using apt-get remove --purge systemd HOWEVER this has the potential of hosing your system
Sep 07 07:59:22 <m_billybob> depends on how the board boots up wit hsystemd, im guessing that its an optargs= statement in uEnv.txt
Sep 07 08:01:11 <whash> thank's m_billybob ur the first one here that answered my question properly. btw i'm so eager to learn about thease stuff's (linux kernel, beaglebone, ...) is there any book or just should search the web!
Sep 07 08:01:13 <m_billybob> matter of a fact im almost positive its and optargs statement in uEnv.txt. that image is too old to have the new changes in it
Sep 07 08:01:54 <m_billybob> this sort of thing happens to be right uo my "tree" lol
Sep 07 08:01:59 <m_billybob> up*
Sep 07 08:02:27 <m_billybob> whash, you are using a beaglebone black ?
Sep 07 08:02:32 <whash> yes
Sep 07 08:02:50 <m_billybob> ok you threw me ther saying "beagleboard"
Sep 07 08:02:58 <m_billybob> and no, no book
Sep 07 08:03:18 <m_billybob> you know linux well ?
Sep 07 08:04:09 <m_billybob> first, the uEnv.txt file is located, well wait, you're booting from eMMC or sdcard ?
Sep 07 08:04:15 <whash> maybe yes for the shell, but about kernel and other file system stuffs, no
Sep 07 08:04:48 <whash> sdcard
Sep 07 08:05:14 <m_billybob> ok so /dev/mmcblk1p0
Sep 07 08:05:25 <m_billybob> is theboot partition
Sep 07 08:05:31 <m_billybob> for the sdcard
Sep 07 08:06:07 <m_billybob> it may be mounted already. yo ucan check by typing mount
Sep 07 08:06:35 <whash> yes it's mounted. btw can i mount emmc as well?
Sep 07 08:06:56 <m_billybob> you can, but for what purpose
Sep 07 08:07:14 <whash> for speed pupesos maybe, am i right!?
Sep 07 08:07:45 <whash> is it much faster than a class10 sd card?
Sep 07 08:08:02 <m_billybob> not necessarily
Sep 07 08:08:23 <m_billybob> I mean yes, and no theoreically it is supposed to be
Sep 07 08:08:50 <m_billybob> in real world usage it is not all that much faster
Sep 07 08:09:00 <mrpackethead> KotH: how is the chocolate
Sep 07 08:09:26 <whash> ok
Sep 07 08:09:32 <m_billybob> whash, so what i shold reccomend to you is to make a post on the beagleboard google groups
Sep 07 08:09:51 <whash> about what?
Sep 07 08:10:01 <m_billybob> much easier to give information on the google groups than type it all out in here
Sep 07 08:10:29 <m_billybob> and SOmeone may know systemd much beter than I and have a simplier solution
Sep 07 08:10:56 <m_billybob> Iknow this problem because whe ntinkering around i experienced it myself, and I know how i fixed it
Sep 07 08:11:40 <whash> yes ur right,  i had another question, sorry that i aske too much , does all of the embeddedd boards use dto and is beaglebone the best embedded in the market ?
Sep 07 08:12:00 <m_billybob> whash does everything seem to be workign fine ?
Sep 07 08:12:10 <whash> sorry?
Sep 07 08:12:21 <mrpackethead> we drifted apart...
Sep 07 08:12:21 <m_billybob> your board does it seem to be working ok ?
Sep 07 08:12:32 <mrpackethead> are you lonesome tonight...
Sep 07 08:12:39 <mrpackethead> elvis song.
Sep 07 08:13:29 <m_billybob> No not all embedded boards use device tree files and as for which is the best embedded board, that is a loaded / subjective question
Sep 07 08:13:52 <whash> maybe for my poor english i don't understand all things sorry for my drifts m_billybob
Sep 07 08:14:02 <m_billybob> lol
Sep 07 08:14:25 <mrpackethead> and sorry for my offtopic lines.
Sep 07 08:14:32 <m_billybob> thats ok, i probably dont speak your native tounge well either ;)
Sep 07 08:15:05 <whash> :D ok tnx so i work on uEnv.txt an i let u know
Sep 07 08:15:09 <m_billybob> or type it
Sep 07 08:15:31 <m_billybob> yeah dont do that uless yo unow what you're ddoing . . .
Sep 07 08:15:50 <whash> ok
Sep 07 08:17:16 <m_billybob> best to ask on the google groups to get a complete answer. I only gave yo upart of the answer before I decided it would be best for you to communicate this problem on the google groups first
Sep 07 08:19:32 <whash> tnx a lot, it seems that i should try a lot of research on embedded world and then ask .
Sep 07 08:19:52 <m_billybob> worse case scenaro, I would just start over fresh with a newer image. But I do not know why you're using a chipsee image that is very obviously , and actualy one of Roberts images
Sep 07 08:21:14 <whash> because of it's lcd, touch, canbus, ...
Sep 07 08:21:28 <m_billybob> ok, I though as much
Sep 07 08:21:42 <whash> you mean Roberts images are depricated?
Sep 07 08:21:57 <m_billybob> No i mean that RObert has newer images
Sep 07 08:22:03 <whash> ok
Sep 07 08:22:39 <whash> is it made just for beaglebone or?
Sep 07 08:23:12 <m_billybob> he makes images for all kinds of arm devices
Sep 07 08:25:34 <m_billybob> These howevr i thin kwork for beaglebone, and beaglebone black and maybe some o the older omap devices. I know theres device tree files for around 10 different devices
Sep 07 08:26:13 <whash> and how it differs from angstrom images?
Sep 07 08:26:25 <whash> i mean should i use debian or angstrom
Sep 07 08:26:59 <mrpackethead> debian has much wider support
Sep 07 08:27:44 <whash> and in performance?
Sep 07 08:27:56 <mrpackethead> very similar
Sep 07 08:29:59 <m_billybob> ok so looks like 16 or so boards use this same kernel / rootfs image
Sep 07 08:30:09 <m_billybob> including the TI EVM boards and pandaboards
Sep 07 08:30:24 <m_billybob> had to remember where i stuffed my own dtbs files lol
Sep 07 08:30:40 * m_billybob has a custom rootfs setup
Sep 07 08:30:54 <Humpelstilzchen> this image probably doesn't have full hw support
Sep 07 08:31:06 <m_billybob> for what
Sep 07 08:31:31 <Humpelstilzchen> for all boards
Sep 07 08:32:10 <m_billybob> thatswhat the device tree files are for
Sep 07 08:32:23 <m_billybob> but I could not say eithe way for sure
Sep 07 08:32:28 <Humpelstilzchen> still you will need all drivers in one kernel
Sep 07 08:33:43 <m_billybob> it is possible they are there already. and maybe a smart script to detect various board to load various .configs
Sep 07 08:34:48 <m_billybob> i honestly do now the difference between all these boards. I do know one of the TI EVM boards has dual GbE, and probably do not have all the exposed IO the BBB has
Sep 07 08:36:47 <whash> so all of beaglebone/board kernels are based on RObert's? i mean debian doesn't use it's own kernel?
Sep 07 08:37:48 <m_billybob> it is debian kernel that Robert has made a lot of paatch fixes for
Sep 07 08:38:44 <m_billybob> well i should say it is a linux kernel
Sep 07 08:39:00 <whash> so what about angstrom that uses yokto and ... ?
Sep 07 08:39:19 <m_billybob> no idea i have zero interrest in all that garbage
Sep 07 08:40:31 <m_billybob> Ispent a lot of time reading about all that junk and I found the documentation to be terse and largly incorrect / outdated
Sep 07 08:41:01 <mrpackethead> m_billy, its dual 100M.. and the BBB, does'tn have as much exposed as the EVM
Sep 07 08:41:33 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, there is a dual GbE board . . .i know it exists i nearly bought one :)
Sep 07 08:41:49 <mrpackethead> whats its model?
Sep 07 08:41:52 <mrpackethead> is it new
Sep 07 08:42:08 <m_billybob> but came down to $200 USD versus $45 USD
Sep 07 08:42:16 <m_billybob> no it been aroudn for well over a year
Sep 07 08:43:20 <m_billybob> ah ok its a starter kit
Sep 07 08:43:46 <whash> m_billybob in their site they say they use OpenEmbedded , OpenZaurus and OpenSimpad, yokto
Sep 07 08:43:46 <m_billybob> still has an EVM designation though
Sep 07 08:45:22 <m_billybob> well openZaurus is an OS
Sep 07 08:45:33 <m_billybob> OpenEmbedded is a build system
Sep 07 08:45:45 <m_billybob> as is yokto
Sep 07 08:46:14 <m_billybob> no idea what the other thing is
Sep 07 08:46:32 <m_billybob> whash you need to ask yourself this: what do you want to use your eaglebone hardware for ?
Sep 07 08:47:11 <m_billybob> with all of this information you're going to drown ourself in a sea of embedde technology
Sep 07 08:47:28 <whash> i actually now use it as a data aqusition and data logger.
Sep 07 08:47:38 <whash> with qt embedded
Sep 07 08:47:58 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, AM335X-EVM-SK
Sep 07 08:48:30 <whash> i'm a programmer but now with this board i have a huge tend to hardware of this kind of boards
Sep 07 08:49:08 <m_billybob> whash ther is so much to learn even from this one single bit of hardware
Sep 07 08:49:19 <whash> exactly
Sep 07 08:49:47 <whash> but i prefer TI to other arm soc s
Sep 07 08:49:51 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, it could be because of your locale you may not be able to find this kit.
Sep 07 08:50:11 <m_billybob> i know that TI does sometimes censor based on locale
Sep 07 08:50:21 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: i am a citizen of the world, and can get interent via the USA.
Sep 07 08:50:22 <mrpackethead> :)
Sep 07 08:50:36 <m_billybob> vpn's for all ;)
Sep 07 08:50:58 <mrpackethead> they said i cou'nt have netflix either.
Sep 07 08:51:44 <m_billybob> meh i have tpb :P
Sep 07 08:51:44 <whash> did u work with raspberry?
Sep 07 08:52:08 <m_billybob> no that is somethign else i have no interrest in
Sep 07 08:52:33 <m_billybob> im very TI centric and sinc im american i try to keep my money in america too
Sep 07 08:52:51 <whash> :S
Sep 07 08:54:14 <m_billybob> If i were german id try to keep my money in germany too ;)
Sep 07 08:54:56 <Humpelstilzchen> If I were german I'd try to buy anywhere but NSA Spyware from USA
Sep 07 08:54:59 <m_billybob> the American economy is pretty bad, it can use all the help we can give it heh
Sep 07 08:55:22 <whash> so count on me
Sep 07 08:55:22 <mrpackethead> m, i own one of those EVM's
Sep 07 08:55:26 <mrpackethead> i hav'nt used it for ages
Sep 07 08:55:29 <m_billybob> Humpelstilzchen, dont fool yourself eurppean countries can be far worse
Sep 07 08:55:44 <mrpackethead> AND YOU ARE RIGHT
Sep 07 08:55:51 <mrpackethead> it has got gigabit
Sep 07 08:56:13 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, i missed a deal on those, there were doing a deal on those for $5 each
Sep 07 08:56:32 <m_billybob> friend of mine notified me liek a day too late :/
Sep 07 08:56:46 <m_billybob> he bought two the bastage
Sep 07 08:58:12 <whash> m_billybob, tnx for your helpful information, and bb
Sep 07 08:58:36 <m_billybob> i need to write a book someday . . .
Sep 07 08:58:53 <m_billybob> you're welcome whash
Sep 07 08:59:04 <whash> i know u will ...,
Sep 07 09:01:35 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, yeah I was eyeballing that one for a long time. I wanted to make a GbE network appliance out of one, but have since lost interrret in that goal
Sep 07 10:09:49 <mkad> Hi
Sep 07 10:09:56 <mkad> how do I know if the pin is used for something?
Sep 07 10:10:08 <mkad> I want to use pru for direct output
Sep 07 10:10:34 <mkad> but table also says that those pins can be either gpmc, lcd, or mmc
Sep 07 10:10:59 <mkad> and I am planing on using lcd and alreading I am using mmc
Sep 07 11:05:39 <mkad> anone here?
Sep 07 11:15:59 <eintopf> mkad: pinctrl
Sep 07 11:28:27 <mkad> eintopf, thx I alread found with find /sys | grep pin
Sep 07 11:28:31 <mkad> a file called t /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pinmux-pins
Sep 07 11:28:34 <mkad> :)
Sep 07 11:29:44 <mkad> also I dont have command pinctrl
Sep 07 11:31:12 <mkad> eintopf, by the way do you know how to disable hdmi pernamently in /boot/dtbs/3.8.13-bone64/am335x-boneblack.dts file ?
Sep 07 11:34:15 <mkad> there must be a way to do that without optars which dont work
Sep 07 11:49:24 <eintopf> mkad: you need more dts skills, create a new dts file and include this
Sep 07 11:50:40 <eintopf> then you need to "overwrite/replace"(don't know the exact expert usual word) the hdmi with "status = "disabled"
Sep 07 11:50:50 <eintopf> 'status = "disabled"'
Sep 07 11:51:11 <eintopf> s/the hdmi/the hdmi node
Sep 07 11:51:56 <eintopf> mkad: look into Documentation/devicetree/ in kernel source
Sep 07 11:52:27 <eintopf> or simple disable the hdmi driver in kernel, if possible :-)
Sep 07 12:22:30 <viccuad> guys, what's the difference between comercial and community editions? can't find any
Sep 07 12:22:45 <viccuad> (of the beaglebone black)
Sep 07 12:26:09 <tbr> viccuad: the commercial edition is allowed to be used in commercial products
Sep 07 12:26:23 <tbr> and can be ordered in high quantities
Sep 07 12:26:33 <viccuad> tbr: thanks
Sep 07 12:28:18 <mkad> eintopf, no status thing in multiple places where HDMI or hdmi word occurs in that file
Sep 07 12:42:31 <eintopf> yea but one has some compatible name which belongs to the driver...
Sep 07 16:18:06 <Oolav> hi all. anyone knows where to buy an audio cape rev B ?
Sep 08 00:24:45 <learningZigbee> I am looking ofr a cape that can do zigbee Pro. Does anybody know where I can find one? I have already looked through the list of capes
Sep 08 00:25:28 <learningZigbee> There doen't seem to be much support for zigbee in the open source community
Sep 08 00:40:57 <agmlego> There is plenty of support for Zigbee/802.15.4
Sep 08 00:41:17 <agmlego> Most of it is focused around the XBee series of odems by Digi.
Sep 08 00:41:20 <agmlego> *modems
Sep 08 01:51:16 <TM26> Hey im will buy a BBB board... ¿ it supports java ?
Sep 08 01:52:09 <veremit> it supports whatever you make it :D
Sep 08 01:53:02 <TM26> veremit: :)
Sep 08 01:55:10 <TM26> Hey and you know if in México can find the new display for BBB? Or just in Europe ??
Sep 08 02:22:02 <m_billybob> why use zigbee through when you can use 802.11B/G/N for a fraction of the cost lol
Sep 08 02:22:07 <m_billybob> though*
Sep 08 02:24:28 <agmlego> m_billybob: Power consumption, range, reliability, and noise immunity, for starters.
Sep 08 02:28:17 <m_billybob> mo way in hell zihbee is going ot outrange wifi
Sep 08 02:28:25 <m_billybob> zigbee
Sep 08 02:29:18 <agmlego> m_billybob: Really?
Sep 08 02:29:41 <m_billybob> unless you can get zigbee to reach out over 30 miles really.
Sep 08 02:30:06 <agmlego> m_billybob: You are showing your inexperience with the subject.
Sep 08 02:30:25 <agmlego> Because 802.15.4 systems pretty routinely hit that range.
Sep 08 02:30:35 <m_billybob> agmlego, actually it is you who are inexperienced if you say wifi cant reach out to around 30 miles
Sep 08 02:30:36 <veremit> wifi's not intended for much more than 10-50m max.
Sep 08 02:30:42 <agmlego> Lower frequencies and data rates, and far, far better noise immunity.
Sep 08 02:31:05 <veremit> unless you're using high gain antennas etc.
Sep 08 02:31:13 <agmlego> Yup.
Sep 08 02:31:14 <m_billybob> veremit yo put a 21db anrew on anythign microwave it'll reach out a good bit
Sep 08 02:31:15 <veremit> everything and its dog is using 2.4Ghz too
Sep 08 02:31:28 <veremit> you put a 21db antenna anything and you're gonna get pulled up :)
Sep 08 02:31:35 <m_billybob> andrew* i really hate this flipping keyboard
Sep 08 02:31:58 <veremit> there's a max tx power for a reason :)
Sep 08 02:32:14 <veremit> and Yes, that includes antenna gain
Sep 08 02:32:48 <m_billybob> 100ma ought to be enough for anyting microwave
Sep 08 02:32:57 <veremit> ok so its spread spectrum, which makes it harder to direction-find .. but I can guarantee you're gonna get found out at that power.
Sep 08 02:33:37 <veremit> whereas at vhf/hf you will get miles range at a comparable output power
Sep 08 02:34:00 <m_billybob> anyhow my point still stands. most oss peopel are not using zigbee because its too dahmed expensive
Sep 08 02:35:15 <agmlego> m_billybob: How do you explain the widespread popularity of the XBee line then, if it is "too dahmed expensive"?
Sep 08 02:35:34 <m_billybob> what does that have to do with open source people ?
Sep 08 02:35:40 <veremit> zigbee has been around for ages .. and it doesn't need powered hubs/etc/etc/etc
Sep 08 02:35:53 <veremit> and crazy drivers incompatibilities yadda yadda
Sep 08 02:36:02 <agmlego> m_billybob: YOu keep changing your argument.
Sep 08 02:36:10 <agmlego> A clear sign of someone arguing to argue.
Sep 08 02:36:18 * agmlego is done; good night.
Sep 08 02:36:33 <m_billybob> whatever
Sep 08 02:37:12 <m_billybob> veremit i still do not agree with most of what both of you have said. i think the "zigbee good points" are often over stated
Sep 08 02:38:14 <veremit> at the end of the day its a choice
Sep 08 02:38:33 <veremit> I wouldn't want every tom dick and harry bein able to interfere with data I was transferring over a link
Sep 08 02:38:59 <veremit> as it happens, I've used vhf radio modules and 2.4ghz modules .. both with differing successes for several purposes.
Sep 08 02:39:26 <m_billybob> well if you *need* it then thats another thing
Sep 08 02:39:48 <m_billybob> i dont know many open source individuals who *need* zigbee lol
Sep 08 02:39:58 <veremit> horses for courses.
Sep 08 02:40:31 <m_billybob> bees for pedigrees . . .
Sep 08 02:40:39 <m_billybob> (i guess )
Sep 08 02:42:06 <veremit> you know of any cheap wireless routers that run openwrt?! :p
Sep 08 02:44:31 <m_billybob> erm define cheap ?
Sep 08 02:44:40 <veremit> ah might be getting somewhere
Sep 08 02:45:04 <veremit> any time I look they're all ancient obsolete models lol
Sep 08 02:45:39 <m_billybob> eh ?
Sep 08 02:46:09 <m_billybob> openwrt i dont know much about but wasnt it forked to ddwrt or am i thinking backwards ?
Sep 08 02:46:29 <veremit> the other way, yeah
Sep 08 02:46:46 <veremit> ddwrt came out first .. openwrt followed I'm pretty sure
Sep 08 02:51:03 <veremit> yikes I see 4am loomin .. gotta get up in 4hrs .. bedtyme :D
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