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Nov 10 06:40:03 <yeon> hi
Nov 10 06:41:25 <yeon> hello?
Nov 10 06:41:27 <yeon> hoho
Nov 10 06:41:32 <yeon> im korean
Nov 10 06:41:38 <yeon> my name is yeon
Nov 10 06:41:46 <yeon> woh are you?
Nov 10 11:44:02 <rkc> hi all.... have a BBB board.... was wondering if i can use an old LCD http://www.friendlyarm.net/dl.php?file=TD035STED4.pdf from my mini2440 board ?
Nov 10 11:44:11 <rkc> any expert advice ?
Nov 10 11:45:59 <tbr> have you looked at the SRM and TRM for the BB and it's SoC yet?
Nov 10 11:49:01 <tbr> there are LCD kits, so it should be possible.
Nov 10 11:49:13 <rkc> SRM... yes...a bit but TRM is huge :-(
Nov 10 11:49:39 <rkc> but I do not have any idea about LCD hardware....
Nov 10 11:50:03 <rkc> so wanted to check if it can be used or not at all
Nov 10 11:51:12 * tbr sadly doesn't now that part of the hardware :-/
Nov 10 11:51:51 <rkc> the graphics terminology is alien to me... the TDO35STED datasheet does not give me much info as to what interface it uses and moreover can that be used with BBB
Nov 10 11:52:56 <tbr> it mentions the digital input pins
Nov 10 11:55:27 <tbr> it looks vaguely similar to http://elinux.org/CircuitCo:BeagleBone_LCD7
Nov 10 11:56:11 <tbr> there is documentation for that display at the bottom including schematics
Nov 10 11:56:27 <tbr> if you compare those you'll probably see how this matches up
Nov 10 11:57:36 <rkc> sure... lemme check
Nov 10 12:24:22 <steven__> for a brand new beaglebon black, kernel 3.8.   Which method for updating the kernel to 3.14 be advised.  flash the emmc?
Nov 10 12:30:10 <tbr> steven__: that depends on the distro you are running. best to match that. Or reflash it completely with a new distro that comes with the kernel you want.
Nov 10 12:58:37 <steven__> thanks tbr
Nov 10 12:59:12 <tbr> any specific reason for exactly that kernel version?
Nov 10 13:00:00 <steven__> yes it has a driver, mxuport.c already in the kernel
Nov 10 13:02:08 <steven__> i have tried to build it in the past, but have not been very successful.  figured using a image with it in the kernel would be best.
Nov 10 16:06:42 <user_> hi..i m new to beagle board but previously worked on arduino and atmega 256..so plss can anyone help that how should I start contributing ??
Nov 10 16:08:08 <user_> is there any way that initially I can start without beaglebone black ?? as I will be having it after 1-1.5 months..
Nov 10 16:09:38 <agmlego> Yes, read all the manuals and learn Linux.
Nov 10 16:09:48 <KotH> +1
Nov 10 16:10:19 <user_> i am using linux since last 2 years..so i am comfortable with it..
Nov 10 16:10:29 <agmlego> Good. Then read the manuals.
Nov 10 16:10:46 <user_> manuals for BBB ?? right ??
Nov 10 16:11:22 <agmlego> Yes.
Nov 10 16:12:13 <agmlego> And for the language of your choice, and for the IO wrapper modules therefor, and for whatever else you are interested in doing on the bone.
Nov 10 16:12:16 <user_> are there any simulators like QEMU where i can initially start ?? and do some work virtually without BBB ...
Nov 10 16:12:33 <agmlego> Not that I have heard that work.
Nov 10 16:12:51 <KotH> user_: there is a difference between using linux and using linux
Nov 10 16:13:26 <KotH> user_: have you compiled your own kernel? are you confortable with working on the shell only, no x11? can you find your way trough /proc and /sysfs ?
Nov 10 16:14:07 <KotH> user_: do you know the difference between cat blah | grep blub and grep blub blah?
Nov 10 16:14:30 <agmlego> Can you paint with all the colours of the wind?
Nov 10 16:14:37 * KotH can
Nov 10 16:15:01 <KotH> that was a required class at the university of smartassery
Nov 10 16:15:02 <user_> not done that....since linux is so big that u don't know what to do ....
Nov 10 16:15:47 <user_> if i know that what will be helpful for BBB and where it is used ...then surely I will leran it..
Nov 10 16:16:00 <agmlego> KotH knows the eleven mystic secrets of the temple of DeviceTree. KotH can wrangle spurious daemons one-handed. KotH has bested the OOM killer.
Nov 10 16:16:08 <KotH> user_: get the embedded linux primer, read that
Nov 10 16:16:12 <agmlego> ^^^
Nov 10 16:16:20 <KotH> agmlego: +1
Nov 10 16:17:53 <user_> how can I start with some project ?? ..meanwhile I'll learn linux too
Nov 10 16:18:14 <KotH> user_: start with something you _want_ to do
Nov 10 16:18:27 <KotH> user_: what do you want to use the bbb for
Nov 10 16:18:28 <KotH> ?
Nov 10 16:19:00 <user_> u mean projects listed on beagleboard.org ??
Nov 10 16:19:12 <KotH> no, i mean what you want to use the bbb for
Nov 10 16:19:21 <KotH> why did you buy one?
Nov 10 16:20:38 <agmlego> KotH: Bad question. We buy dev boards because they are dev boards, not because we have projects in mind.
Nov 10 16:20:45 * agmlego eyes the growing stack behind him.
Nov 10 16:20:57 * KotH does not buy dev boards
Nov 10 16:21:04 * KotH exchanges chocolate for dev boards
Nov 10 16:21:11 <user_> I have to use it for Texas Instrument competition..
Nov 10 16:21:16 <agmlego> Hell, i3Detroit has started having dev-board swap meets to try to remedy everyone's backlog collections.
Nov 10 16:21:27 <KotH> lol
Nov 10 16:22:24 <agmlego> Like, I will probably never make use of the Stellaris boards and robot I have, but I really like MSP430. Another guy hates things that are not 32-bit, and ended up with a bucket of ez430 RF modules.
Nov 10 16:22:32 <agmlego> Trade in progress.
Nov 10 16:22:36 <user_> on arduino I have used libraries ...but now I wanted to know that how are they made and now want to work with BBB
Nov 10 16:23:01 * agmlego tries to parse that last bit and fails.
Nov 10 16:24:38 <user_> we learn things when we want to use it for some work...since i didn'e find any use of kernel compiling and other things...how can I know that..:(
Nov 10 16:24:52 <user_> *didn't
Nov 10 16:25:18 <agmlego> By doing research on the Internet.
Nov 10 16:25:49 <agmlego> Same as learning anything else.
Nov 10 16:26:59 <user_> yeah...so if I know that i will be requiring this work for my project ..i will learn it...as simple it is..
Nov 10 16:27:30 <agmlego> Well, we could help further, but we have no idea what your project is.
Nov 10 16:27:53 <agmlego> So at the moment, we can pretty much point you at the system manuals and Google, and tell you to have good luck.
Nov 10 16:29:05 <user_> yeah sure....i'll be asking some good questions once i have decided some project this week..:)
Nov 10 16:29:25 <agmlego> Better than asking bad questions.
Nov 10 16:30:13 <user_> haha..definitely...
Nov 10 16:31:01 <ketas> bbb is just lovely piece of hardware
Nov 10 16:31:12 <agmlego> It is OK.
Nov 10 17:18:34 <MattStove> Does anyone know of/have alternate design files from the DSN and BRD?  I have seen reference to Altium files, but that's all I've found.
Nov 10 18:35:20 <drtesla> Hi all, quick question, had anyone managed to get the sleep mode to work on a BBB?
Nov 10 18:36:12 <drtesla> I have compiled a kernel as per eewiki and I think I ticked all the right boxes, but I cant seem to get the power management to load
Nov 10 18:47:13 <drtesla> when I try to "echo mem > /sys/power/state" i get "bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument" I'm assuming this means the PM things have not been loaded properly
Nov 10 19:05:04 <drtesla> well, I quess I'll try another kernel
Nov 10 19:08:35 <MattStove> We got limited 1080P over HDMI working from the Beaglebone Black (50Hz): http://meural.com/hardware/Main_Page
Nov 10 19:08:59 <MattStove> good enough for images anyway
Nov 10 19:44:49 <drtesla> got it, the TI kernel works with sleepmode, now just to figure out how to wake it back up =P
Nov 10 21:12:20 <Laurenceb> does anyone know what the default adc sampling rate is?
Nov 10 21:12:26 <Laurenceb> or can it be changed?
Nov 10 21:12:45 <veremit> whatever you make it?
Nov 10 21:21:00 <DJHenjin> heres a question, not entirely related to beagle but still,.... if i have an OS running on a device,.. and write a program to fiddle with the jtag pins from within the software, will that achieve pretty much the same results as using a physical jtag adapter?
Nov 10 21:31:35 <Laurenceb> is there overvoltage protection on the ADC pins?
Nov 10 21:31:56 <agmlego> Unlikely.
Nov 10 21:32:22 <agmlego> SInce the ADC pins are intended, by TI, as part of a resistive-touchscreen controller.
Nov 10 21:39:19 <Laurenceb> so what is the absolute maximum input voltage?
Nov 10 21:39:33 <Laurenceb> i cant find it in the datasheet
Nov 10 21:47:29 <agmlego> 1.8VDC, IIRC.
Nov 10 21:47:53 <agmlego> Basically, when in doubt assume Vcore, until otherwise specified.
Nov 10 21:52:34 <Laurenceb> ok
Nov 10 21:52:47 <Laurenceb> but absolute max adc supply is 2.1v
Nov 10 21:53:00 <Laurenceb> isnt the max input going to be relative to the adc supply?
Nov 10 21:57:50 <agmlego> Laurenceb: YOu may well have answered your own question.
Nov 10 22:49:59 <honestly> DJHenjin: It is extremely unlikely that you will be able to put those pins into both "digital output" and "jtag" mode.
Nov 10 22:51:21 <honestly> DJHenjin: and even if you could, doing jtag stuff is going to kill your OS rather quickly..
Nov 10 23:05:25 <ketas> i wonder if am335x will be damaged if i run cpu at 1ghz without any management later... i'm not using linux there
Nov 10 23:05:50 <ketas> i was warned about doing that
Nov 10 23:22:31 <ketas> "not designed to be running constantly at maximum speed"... i don't know, i have no background in that
Nov 10 23:29:08 <DJHenjin> honestly: the idea is to simply write a value to the registers that the pins manipulate, so as to emulate the connection of a hardware jtag adapter. the part about killing the OS doesnt matter too much with the application I have in mind
Nov 10 23:37:29 <wolfmitchell> on a BBB would it be possible to use it kinda like an ethernet adapter? ie. connect the BBB to the computer via usb, connect the BBB to the internet, and then use that to connect to the internet?
Nov 10 23:38:12 <ketas> why not
Nov 10 23:39:20 <wolfmitchell> how would I go about doing that?
Nov 10 23:40:31 <veremit> why not just buy a usb ethernet adapter
Nov 10 23:40:34 <veremit> much quicker and easier
Nov 10 23:40:46 <veremit> oh, and cheaper too !
Nov 10 23:40:58 <wolfmitchell> veremit, i have a BBB laying around doing nothing and I want to do something with it :p
Nov 10 23:41:00 <wolfmitchell> lol
Nov 10 23:41:20 <veremit> there;s a lot an arm based computer module can do ...
Nov 10 23:41:43 <nyt> yes you can do it, learn linux routing and its trivial
Nov 10 23:42:30 <wolfmitchell> could i just create a bridge in bridgectl or w/e it is on the BBB and bridge the USB interface and the ethernet interface?
Nov 10 23:43:12 <ketas> probably
Nov 10 23:43:40 <wolfmitchell> ah, it's brctl
Nov 10 23:44:01 <muniza> wolfmitchell: this is what worked for me:
Nov 10 23:44:03 <muniza> http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/BBB_networking_in_tethered_mode
Nov 10 23:44:27 <wolfmitchell> veremit, also, the fact that I have no display to use it with gets rid of some of it's possible uses :p
Nov 10 23:44:30 <wolfmitchell> i only have VGA monitors
Nov 10 23:44:31 <wolfmitchell> lol
Nov 10 23:44:55 <ketas> kind of sucks indeed
Nov 10 23:45:11 <wolfmitchell> muniza, by 'server side' does that mean the computer I'm trying to connect from?
Nov 10 23:45:13 <veremit> you need to scrap them and buy a new monitor :p
Nov 10 23:45:26 <ketas> the biggest wtf is when you have lcd monitor with vga only input
Nov 10 23:45:30 <wolfmitchell> veremit, ...i only have 2 of said monitors
Nov 10 23:45:34 <muniza> wolfmitchell: yes
Nov 10 23:45:38 <wolfmitchell> and i use them
Nov 10 23:45:40 <wolfmitchell> :;p
Nov 10 23:45:41 <wolfmitchell> :p *
Nov 10 23:45:44 <wolfmitchell> muniza, k
Nov 10 23:45:45 <veremit> ketas .. can't believe they sell 'em .. no wonder they're so cheap!
Nov 10 23:45:55 <ketas> i wonder if it was actually cheaper to make digital monitor with analog only input?
Nov 10 23:46:08 <ketas> back then
Nov 10 23:46:14 <veremit> technically .. it can't be
Nov 10 23:46:24 <wolfmitchell> also, kinda unrelated to BBB, but what's a good linux display manager to use? I have mate as my DE...
Nov 10 23:46:25 <wolfmitchell> lol
Nov 10 23:46:40 <ketas> dvi already existed in time they made vga lcd's... i think
Nov 10 23:46:59 <veremit> although flat panels are usually lvds
Nov 10 23:47:07 <veremit> so you've got to convert somehow
Nov 10 23:47:11 <wolfmitchell> also, i have the monitor I'm using now plugged into my computer via a dvi->vga adapter
Nov 10 23:47:36 <wolfmitchell> just because my brother stole my dvi cable and parents won't let me take it back
Nov 10 23:47:37 <wolfmitchell> ._.
Nov 10 23:47:45 <veremit> buy ya own
Nov 10 23:47:46 <wolfmitchell> dvi-d *
Nov 10 23:47:50 <ketas> wolfmitchell: ugh
Nov 10 23:47:51 * wolfmitchell broke :D
Nov 10 23:47:55 <veremit> this is grown-up world :p
Nov 10 23:48:04 <wolfmitchell> my gfx card and my monitor support dvi-d
Nov 10 23:48:12 <wolfmitchell> but that was my only cable
Nov 10 23:48:18 <wolfmitchell> + can't get a job because school
Nov 10 23:48:28 <ketas> how old are you
Nov 10 23:48:31 <wolfmitchell> 15
Nov 10 23:50:45 * wolfmitchell installs lightdm on linux laptop
Nov 10 23:51:01 <veremit> I struggled with lightdm ..
Nov 10 23:51:04 <veremit> slim is simple
Nov 10 23:51:15 <wolfmitchell> also, over the weekend i was fixing my mom's old laptop, she said i could keep it if i fixed it
Nov 10 23:51:19 <wolfmitchell> it kept powering it off
Nov 10 23:51:25 <wolfmitchell> i take out the fan and right in the heatsink
Nov 10 23:51:33 <wolfmitchell> a cubic inch (when compressed!) of dust.
Nov 10 23:51:42 <wolfmitchell> i think i know why it was powering off.
Nov 10 23:56:15 <ketas> wolfmitchell: enough dust that you can't blow it out?
Nov 10 23:56:31 <wolfmitchell> yep
Nov 10 23:56:48 <wolfmitchell> even w/ compressed air can
Nov 10 23:56:52 <ketas> lappy had a furball
Nov 10 23:57:05 <wolfmitchell> battery is missing tho :/
Nov 10 23:57:09 <wolfmitchell> nobody knows where it went
Nov 10 23:57:14 <ketas> missing, what
Nov 10 23:57:16 <wolfmitchell> whatever, it boots when plugged in to power adapter :p
Nov 10 23:57:24 <wolfmitchell> like, we haven't used the laptop in 2-3 years
Nov 10 23:57:30 <wolfmitchell> but she replaced the battery sometime during that
Nov 10 23:57:36 <wolfmitchell> and then took it out again for some reason
Nov 10 23:57:41 <wolfmitchell> and now nobody knows where it went
Nov 10 23:57:50 <ketas> you have to big home
Nov 10 23:57:52 <ketas> maybe
Nov 10 23:57:56 <ketas> too
Nov 10 23:58:07 <wolfmitchell> not really, single floor
Nov 10 23:58:27 <ketas> though, laptop battery can also go missing in 100m2 space
Nov 10 23:58:34 <ketas> or less
Nov 10 23:58:52 <wolfmitchell> probably ended up being thrown out
Nov 10 23:59:08 <ketas> what's that laptop anyway
Nov 10 23:59:21 <wolfmitchell> some toshiba satellite laptop
Nov 10 23:59:26 <wolfmitchell> lemme grab model
Nov 10 23:59:32 <ketas> and why is it that all irc channels always have offtopics
Nov 10 23:59:54 <wolfmitchell> A215-S7437
Nov 10 23:59:55 <wolfmitchell> lol
Nov 11 00:00:40 <muniza> whats the topic anyway?
Nov 11 00:02:00 <ketas> it's about doggy circuit boards
Nov 11 00:05:24 <ketas> though, cats would be cuter
Nov 11 00:05:45 <ketas> imagine this small board that has shape of kitten
Nov 11 00:06:26 <muniza> hopefully the x15 stays small
Nov 11 00:06:54 <ketas> having boards that get name from dogs, monkeys or vegetables is entirely uncute
Nov 11 00:06:54 <muniza> i worked with the keystone2 which had quad A15 and octo DSPs. massive heatsink
Nov 11 00:09:53 <ketas> i think i should watch doctor who now
Nov 11 02:59:35 <kd926> Hey all, I’m looking for some help getting a working vanilla Bone dtb+kernel config to enable my DVI cape on 3.14.1. I am using Gentoo so I am comfortable with the kernel bits, just having issues aligning those with dtb
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