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Nov 29 13:10:12 <TutoArduino> Hi
Nov 29 13:10:38 <TutoArduino> I'm the webmaster of tutoarduino.com i'd like some informations for a featuring article
Nov 29 13:18:00 <TutoArduino> nobody here ?
Nov 29 13:22:19 <Moult> patient guy
Nov 29 19:44:13 <dino> hello room
Nov 29 19:44:53 <Guest60265> nick change because dino already registered
Nov 29 19:45:53 <Guest60265> hopefully not impertinent q, but since there should be plenty of hardcore/experienced programmers in here, anybody know a one-line IE8 on wine install
Nov 29 19:46:15 <Guest60265> or a good link..plenty of weird stuff on Wine out there
Nov 29 19:46:45 <_av500_> ie8?
Nov 29 19:46:54 <_av500_> wont run on the Beagleboard
Nov 29 19:47:10 <Guest60265> Well, some client is having his first site built, and wants support across all browsers
Nov 29 19:47:51 <Guest60265> and just try telling him that vsitors using XP should be forced to use FF/Chrome/etc
Nov 29 19:49:13 <Guest60265> OK so here's a Q...anybody know what happened to the 8-port network cape? I badly want one/two
Nov 29 19:49:43 <_av500_> buy an 8 port switch?
Nov 29 19:49:46 <Guest60265> on the official cape site there was some 'invalid certificate' thing - the only such affiliate link
Nov 29 19:49:51 <Guest60265> why's that so odd?
Nov 29 19:50:03 <Guest60265> well I kinda wanted one I could sit atop the BBB
Nov 29 19:50:14 <Guest60265> nice and portable
Nov 29 19:50:16 <_av500_> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_8_Port_1-Wire
Nov 29 19:50:18 <_av500_> this one?
Nov 29 19:50:18 <Guest60265> flexible
Nov 29 19:50:58 <Guest60265> the exact same dammit...but what does 1-wire mean - that was my next question..supports normal TCPIP?
Nov 29 19:51:03 <_av500_> no
Nov 29 19:51:08 <Guest60265> 1 wire == serial port only?
Nov 29 19:51:10 <_av500_> its not ethernet
Nov 29 19:51:15 <_av500_> its ... 1-wire
Nov 29 19:51:21 <_av500_> special thing to talk to small chips
Nov 29 19:51:25 <_av500_> not networking
Nov 29 19:51:40 <Guest60265> OK so where did the original 8-porter go?
Nov 29 19:51:46 <_av500_> I never saw one
Nov 29 19:52:28 <Guest60265> Maybe I dreamt it but I'm sure I didn't ....cafe is closing, back to cruddy Wifi at home, thanks VVV much for the help though av500 and gang
Nov 29 19:52:38 <_av500_> and it makes no sense anyway
Nov 29 19:52:41 <_av500_> just buy a small switch
Nov 29 19:52:47 <tbr> if you want 8 ports, the only way is to use a switch
Nov 29 19:52:48 <_av500_> and ethernet cannot be a cape
Nov 29 19:52:57 <_av500_> thats not on the expansion pins
Nov 29 19:53:29 <Guest60265> well I'll get right back here when I track it down..well I got a couple nice switches, gotta get it all rigged up...wow...I'll be taking that to heart. Merci beaucoup
Nov 29 19:53:45 <_av500_> de rien
Nov 29 19:53:56 <Guest60265> So the most IO ports possible is one via SSL/(USB cable) and another via EThernet cable?
Nov 29 19:54:30 <Guest60265> ie without any wireless stuff?
Nov 29 19:54:47 <Guest60265> Curses
Nov 29 19:54:56 <Guest60265> thanks all the same...
Nov 29 19:55:21 <_av500_> ???
Nov 29 19:55:31 <tbr> special people are special
Nov 29 19:55:48 <_av500_> ethernet is not the only IO
Nov 29 19:55:57 <tbr> (he quit)
Nov 29 19:56:46 <_av500_> I assumed that much
Nov 29 19:56:55 <_av500_> it was more of an epilogue
Nov 29 19:56:59 <tbr> *nod*
Nov 30 00:19:56 <breaker19> Hi,
Nov 30 00:21:01 <breaker19> I have an old Beagleboard rev. C3 and would like to build the most recent yet compatible Angstrom c
Nov 30 00:21:10 <breaker19> distribution for it.
Nov 30 00:21:41 <breaker19> What would be the relevant tag in OE/Angstrom supporting the C3?
Nov 30 00:42:13 <zsnafu> evening
Nov 30 01:00:05 <zsnafu> hey veremit you may know
Nov 30 01:00:18 <zsnafu> local_irq_disable does this guy disable all ints?
Nov 30 01:00:21 <veremit> uhoh
Nov 30 01:00:25 <zsnafu> :O
Nov 30 01:00:55 <veremit> on the arm? you hard-coding?
Nov 30 01:01:04 <veremit> uhm .. bare metal I mean
Nov 30 01:01:10 <veremit> no kernel/linux/etc
Nov 30 01:01:34 <veremit> And, erm, no clue ;D
Nov 30 01:01:39 <zsnafu> no..with the kernel/linux
Nov 30 01:01:52 <veremit> I wouldn't recommend disabling all interrupts with a live kernel .. ;)
Nov 30 01:02:02 <zsnafu> well...i kind of need to
Nov 30 01:02:14 <zsnafu> ok then..baremetal.
Nov 30 01:02:19 <veremit> you -can- .. but I don't imagine it's gonna like that lol
Nov 30 01:02:24 <zsnafu> im doing some inline assembly to do it
Nov 30 01:02:37 <zsnafu> 	asm(
Nov 30 01:02:37 <zsnafu> 	"LDMFD   SP!, {R8, R12}\n\t" 	//Load R8, SPSR
Nov 30 01:02:38 <zsnafu> 	"ORR     R12, R12, #0x80\n\t" 	//Set IRQ flag to disable it
Nov 30 01:02:38 <zsnafu> 	"MSR     SPSR_cxsf, R12\n\t" 	//SPSR
Nov 30 01:02:38 <zsnafu> 	".align 4\n\t"
Nov 30 01:02:38 <zsnafu> 	"LDMFD   SP!, {R12, PC}^\n\t"		//Restore R12 and Return
Nov 30 01:02:38 <zsnafu> 	);
Nov 30 01:02:43 <zsnafu> does that look right?
Nov 30 01:02:53 <zsnafu> ignore the .align4
Nov 30 01:02:56 <veremit> holy crap lol
Nov 30 01:03:08 <veremit> no idea .. the only assembler I do is Atmel AVR or PIC ;D
Nov 30 01:03:18 <zsnafu> damn
Nov 30 01:03:23 <veremit> even the cortex-M3/M0 I've done in C ..
Nov 30 01:03:44 <veremit> you can't register an interrupt another way?
Nov 30 01:04:03 <zsnafu> you can register it
Nov 30 01:04:07 <zsnafu> err
Nov 30 01:04:11 <zsnafu> im trying to disable them
Nov 30 01:04:31 <breaker19> what's the most up to date and stable OE tag for building console-image for the Beagleboard C3?
Nov 30 01:04:31 <zsnafu> for timing critical stuff...but not critical to go to the pu
Nov 30 01:04:34 <veremit> yea I get that . but Why. And seriously, don't think that's a good idea .. even for a microsecond!
Nov 30 01:04:55 <methuzla> ARM has two interrupts - IRQ and FIQ
Nov 30 01:05:00 <veremit> who knows what might break
Nov 30 01:05:39 <zsnafu> things break..i just reboot...the boot file fixes it
Nov 30 01:05:41 <zsnafu> *shrug*
Nov 30 01:06:07 <zsnafu> drivers disable interrupts all the time
Nov 30 01:07:09 <agmlego> zsnafu: I think the solution in your case is to look into RT_PREEMPT.
Nov 30 01:07:24 <agmlego> Not turning off interrupts.
Nov 30 01:07:56 <zsnafu> looking into it now
Nov 30 01:08:44 <zsnafu> ohh yea..so i've read a bit about this
Nov 30 01:09:03 <zsnafu> i heard the bbb kernel..2.9? crashes with RT_PREEMPT
Nov 30 01:09:08 <agmlego> Yeah, that is probably the correct solution for your issue.
Nov 30 01:09:20 <agmlego> Why do you want such an old kernel?
Nov 30 01:09:48 <zsnafu> err 3.8
Nov 30 01:09:59 <zsnafu> 3.8 crashes with RT_PREEMPT
Nov 30 01:10:05 <agmlego> Does it?
Nov 30 01:10:09 <zsnafu> from what i heard
Nov 30 01:10:22 <agmlego> Try hearing from somewhere else then?
Nov 30 01:10:38 <zsnafu> hey agmlego...does it?
Nov 30 01:10:51 <agmlego> I know the guys over at ArduPilot are working on porting their stuff over to Bone, which is on RT_PREEMPT.
Nov 30 01:11:14 <agmlego> I cannot imagine they would be doing that if 3.8/RT crashed regularly.
Nov 30 01:12:32 <zsnafu> hm
Nov 30 01:12:38 <zsnafu> k i'll look in to it
Nov 30 01:13:03 <zsnafu> but i mean still...i'd like to know how to disable irqs
Nov 30 01:13:45 <methuzla> set the I bit in the status register
Nov 30 01:13:49 <agmlego> I would suggest doing that through the kernel.
Nov 30 01:14:02 <agmlego> So that it knows that you are doing it.
Nov 30 01:14:35 <zsnafu> cool
Nov 30 01:14:44 <zsnafu> will the kernel care if i'm running as root?
Nov 30 01:15:01 <agmlego> ...
Nov 30 01:15:18 <agmlego> This is not a permissions thing; the kernel makes heavy use of interrupts for its routine operation.
Nov 30 01:15:24 <zsnafu> right
Nov 30 01:15:33 <zsnafu> ok
Nov 30 01:16:12 <agmlego> So, if you are going to disable interrupts, you need to ask the kernel to disable them in a way that will not panic it.
Nov 30 01:20:18 <zsnafu> ok so let me get this straight...with RT_Preempt interrupts are handled by threads
Nov 30 01:20:30 <zsnafu> thus i could give the process i need a higher priority
Nov 30 01:20:36 <zsnafu> than whatever..
Nov 30 01:21:00 <agmlego> Yup.
Nov 30 01:21:20 <zsnafu> cool shit
Nov 30 01:22:13 <zsnafu> ok so
Nov 30 01:22:22 <zsnafu> the patch is located here:
Nov 30 01:22:23 <zsnafu> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.23.1.tar.bz2
Nov 30 01:22:31 <zsnafu> does that mean it's going to patch 2.6?
Nov 30 01:22:39 <agmlego> Uh, yeah.
Nov 30 01:23:04 <agmlego> Specifically, 2.6.23.1
Nov 30 01:23:30 <zsnafu> so im going to lose 3.8
Nov 30 01:23:48 <agmlego> ...no?
Nov 30 01:23:49 <zsnafu> and the device tree stuff?
Nov 30 01:23:50 <zsnafu> oh
Nov 30 01:23:51 <zsnafu> ok
Nov 30 01:24:04 <agmlego> Why are you applying patches for a kernel you are not running?
Nov 30 01:24:42 <zsnafu> i was just following the instructions at:
Nov 30 01:24:42 <zsnafu> https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RT_PREEMPT_HOWTO
Nov 30 01:26:00 <agmlego> I really strongly suggest a) not following a tutorial on a decade-old kernel and b) not following a tutorial on x86.
Nov 30 01:28:20 <zsnafu> hm
Nov 30 02:05:28 <zsnafu> hmm
Nov 30 02:05:38 <zsnafu> not sure if patch is installed correctly
Nov 30 02:22:08 <zsnafu> ok so i have a question about patching with the bbb
Nov 30 02:22:52 <zsnafu> if a patch comes with a uimage...do i need to do anything with it?
Nov 30 02:23:02 <zsnafu> :/ i know kind of a vague question but im not sure how to ask
Nov 30 02:45:55 <kenrestivo> well, the whole problem of how to get RT kernel going on a bbb is not trivial
Nov 30 02:46:09 <kenrestivo> in fact, RT kernels are kind of deprecated, it sees
Nov 30 02:46:11 <kenrestivo> seems
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