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Dec 05 05:31:50 <saharsh> hey
Dec 05 05:32:49 <saharsh> I am an electronics engineering student and want to get acquainted with embedded system development
Dec 05 05:33:42 <saharsh> I am thinking of getting a beagleboard and want to ask whether it is the right tool for a newbie ?
Dec 05 05:34:10 <saharsh> I have experience with C, but none with Linux and other open source tools
Dec 05 05:50:12 <saharsh93> hi. anyone available ?
Dec 05 05:50:49 <j0rd> w00t. my BBB just arrived
Dec 05 05:51:14 <ArtyG> saharsh93, google for example code, I haven't found any shortage of it.
Dec 05 05:51:46 <saharsh93> Is BBB a good tool for newbies to embedded systems ?
Dec 05 05:51:56 <j0rd> not sure
Dec 05 05:52:07 <j0rd> id say probably more so w/ Debian being the default
Dec 05 05:52:17 <j0rd> have you looked at the raspberry pi b+?
Dec 05 05:52:37 <j0rd> nfi if its better/worse or not but has a pretty mature community and tools behind it now and lower $$ iirc
Dec 05 05:52:38 <saharsh93> I have benn comparing both BBB and raspberry pi
Dec 05 05:53:02 <j0rd> i have a 1st gen model B to compare w/
Dec 05 05:53:13 <saharsh93> And found BBB to be more appealing but it lacks support
Dec 05 05:53:26 <j0rd> tbth if you want to learn linux any old box will do
Dec 05 05:53:42 <j0rd> x86 has the widest support
Dec 05 05:53:51 <j0rd> and probably less "gotcha" moments
Dec 05 05:53:55 <ArtyG> The BBB does have the benefit of having very easily accessible documentation by not using a BCM CPU.
Dec 05 05:54:01 <BobCat> RPi has blocked me from following them on twitter
Dec 05 05:54:14 <j0rd> wow, lame
Dec 05 05:54:29 <BobCat> I am on a blacklist
Dec 05 05:54:38 <j0rd> just the one?
Dec 05 05:54:47 <BobCat> well. probably all of them
Dec 05 05:54:56 <BobCat> I'm a controversial figure
Dec 05 05:55:01 <BobCat> this looks neat http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available
Dec 05 05:55:19 <BobCat> I want to see people try it before i invest
Dec 05 05:55:30 <ArtyG> Mmmm, the oddness that is MIPS.
Dec 05 05:55:47 <j0rd> meh
Dec 05 05:55:58 <j0rd> bbb is arm, most people have an x86 desktop / laptop
Dec 05 05:56:20 <saharsh93> Yeah I want start with an ARM
Dec 05 05:56:24 <j0rd> cool little board for $65
Dec 05 05:56:38 <BobCat> runs android and linux, i don't care how it does it
Dec 05 05:57:15 <j0rd> my little ADSL2 PCI card has some mips linux running on it
Dec 05 05:57:55 <j0rd> danube or some such iirc
Dec 05 05:58:03 <BobCat> what i want to know is why isn't the damn board just a rectangle
Dec 05 05:58:15 <j0rd> that wld be boring
Dec 05 05:58:16 <BobCat> things sticking out all over...
Dec 05 05:58:16 <saharsh93> Does anyone have any links to webpages for beginners ?
Dec 05 05:58:33 <saharsh93> As in a guide to starting with BBB ?
Dec 05 05:58:43 <BobCat> there's one on the bbb itself
Dec 05 05:59:11 <BobCat> enough to learn to blink things anyway
Dec 05 06:00:10 <saharsh93> hmmm....any other resource beyond that ?
Dec 05 06:02:43 <ds2> books :D
Dec 05 07:12:12 <simha> any one has tested am335x timer0 as interrupt in linux ?
Dec 05 07:13:00 <simha> if any one done please let me know
Dec 05 11:17:55 <Tick> hello, Should I disable the HDMI cape if I want use a TFT LCD ?
Dec 05 11:30:05 <tbr> Tick: yes
Dec 05 11:30:37 <Tick> And after that, I need to write a DTO or by default it's good ?
Dec 05 11:46:40 <DJHenjin> hey, I have purchased a standard FTDI USB to Serial breakout board to be able to interact with u-Boot on my BBBlack. I have been unable to elicit any kind of response with minicom or screen. I am using openSuse 13.2, and I am confused as to whether or not I need any external (install on-demand) Drivers for the device. this confusion arises from my understanding of the mentality behind the default linux kernel being one of "It should have the Bigg
Dec 05 11:46:42 <DJHenjin> est possible amount of compatibility by default"
Dec 05 11:49:03 <tbr> DJHenjin: does the ftdi work if you test loopback?
Dec 05 11:49:24 <tbr> DJHenjin: did you connect TX to RX and RX to TX as it needs to be?
Dec 05 11:49:33 <tbr> DJHenjin: is it 5V or 3.3V?
Dec 05 11:49:50 <DJHenjin> tbr I am actually quite new to interfacing with hardware devices,even though i have been programming for a while
Dec 05 11:49:58 <Tick>  /dev/ttyUSB0 exist ?
Dec 05 11:50:21 <DJHenjin> I have not done any hardware based troubleshooting as of yet, /dev/ttyUSB0 Does indeed exhist
Dec 05 11:50:39 <Tick> try putty
Dec 05 11:50:58 <DJHenjin> 5v 3.3 selectable via jumper
Dec 05 11:51:07 <tbr> make sure it's set to 3.3V
Dec 05 11:51:26 <DJHenjin> was the first thing i did
Dec 05 11:51:33 <Tick> You only need to connect the ground and RX/TX
Dec 05 11:51:34 <tbr> detach it from the BBB and connect RX to TX
Dec 05 11:51:56 <tbr> then try if you can get echoed back what you type in the terminal emulator
Dec 05 11:54:29 <DJHenjin> I do indeed get typed input being echo'd back in terminal emulator
Dec 05 11:58:18 <tbr> DJHenjin: good, then that's working
Dec 05 11:58:51 <tbr> DJHenjin: now connect RX on the FTDI to TX on the BBB and vice versa
Dec 05 12:01:28 <DJHenjin> pins 2&&3&&6 of j1 correct?
Dec 05 12:02:41 <tbr> sth like that, don't have the srm at hand
Dec 05 12:04:45 <DJHenjin> k, i just have to perform a crude sex change on a couple male cables
Dec 05 12:14:19 <DJHenjin> no such luck
Dec 05 12:29:40 <DJHenjin> there, got it
Dec 05 12:37:33 <DJHenjin> Thank You! So very much guys!
Dec 05 12:42:38 <Tick> Where is uEnv.txt in the last debian image ? :/ I want to disable HDMI Cape, but there is no uEnv.txt on the mounted partition
Dec 05 12:43:44 <vvu> Tick: /boot
Dec 05 12:43:47 <vvu> should be there
Dec 05 12:45:12 <Tick> Yes, I tried, but when I reboot, it is rewrite
Dec 05 12:45:49 <tbr> DJHenjin: glad you got it working. :)
Dec 05 12:47:42 <DJHenjin> as an aside, It should be made easier to find information on the website
Dec 05 12:49:09 <Tick> It works now Oo
Dec 05 12:55:32 <Tick> (but the screen is white) :(
Dec 05 14:50:44 <Tick> I disable the HDMI DT, but my LCD screen still white, any idea ? :(
Dec 05 14:52:18 <av500> what color do you want?
Dec 05 14:54:14 <Tick> I want using my LCD like a screen
Dec 05 14:54:27 <Tick> with desktop or terminal :/
Dec 05 15:58:14 <zyamada> Mornin' all. Is anyone familiar with the BB's process when performing a reboot triggered by a "shutdown -r"? I have a process that is exhibiting strange behavior only after rebooting the BB via this method.
Dec 05 15:59:29 <zyamada> This is using Deb running of off the eMMC.
Dec 05 18:24:31 <Laurenceb_> hi
Dec 05 18:24:53 <Laurenceb_> i see no /devttyS4, why is there no uart4 on bbb?
Dec 05 18:31:57 <Humpelstilzchen> uart4 would be ttyS3 and you might need to configure it in devicetree
Dec 05 18:32:07 <Laurenceb_> hmm
Dec 05 18:32:15 <Laurenceb_> so adafruit documentation is wrong
Dec 05 18:32:22 <Laurenceb_> but im not seeing it in device tree
Dec 05 18:33:29 <Laurenceb_>  echo ADAFRUIT-UART4 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots
Dec 05 18:33:39 <Laurenceb_> -bash: echo: write error: File exists
Dec 05 18:37:03 <Laurenceb_> whats going on?
Dec 05 18:37:18 <Humpelstilzchen> uh looks like they renumbered them, so uart4 is ttyS4
Dec 05 18:37:27 <Humpelstilzchen> uhm...ttyO4 of course
Dec 05 18:37:36 <Laurenceb_> im in the shit then
Dec 05 18:37:40 <Laurenceb_> i need UART4
Dec 05 18:37:56 <Humpelstilzchen> did you try /dev/ttyO4?
Dec 05 18:38:03 <Laurenceb_> it doesnt exist
Dec 05 18:38:11 <Laurenceb_> im trying to create it at the moment
Dec 05 18:38:15 <Laurenceb_> but no luck so far
Dec 05 18:38:29 <Laurenceb_> read scroll back ^
Dec 05 18:39:57 <Laurenceb_> uh oh
Dec 05 18:39:59 <Laurenceb_> Message from syslogd@beaglebone at Dec  5 18:39:28 ...
Dec 05 18:39:59 <Laurenceb_>  kernel:[ 5703.571778] Internal error: Oops: 17 [#1] SMP THUMB2
Dec 05 18:43:11 <Laurenceb_> hmm i think its my custom dts file
Dec 05 18:43:17 <Laurenceb_> i only want tx in use
Dec 05 18:43:36 <Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/9763084
Dec 05 18:43:41 <Laurenceb_> ^what did i break?
Dec 05 18:47:00 <thurgood_> I thought they did away with ttyS in favor of ttyO when they went to the high speed serial drivers
Dec 05 18:48:43 <Laurenceb_> yeah other dts files work ok
Dec 05 18:48:51 <Laurenceb_> its something to do with my changes
Dec 05 18:49:24 <Laurenceb_> do i need to reboot?
Dec 05 18:52:40 <hitlin37> i thought pyBIBO would make it easier to deal with serial stuff. no?
Dec 05 18:54:35 <Laurenceb_> lol works now
Dec 05 18:54:37 <Laurenceb_> doh
Dec 05 18:54:54 <Laurenceb_> i dont think it liked me reloading with a new dts file
Dec 05 18:58:17 <Laurenceb_>    spione=SPI(1,0)
Dec 05 18:58:17 <Laurenceb_> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
Dec 05 18:58:21 <Laurenceb_> lol now spi is broken
Dec 05 19:19:14 <Laurenceb_> hmm
Dec 05 19:19:20 <Laurenceb_> UART4 is still glitchy
Dec 05 19:19:24 <Laurenceb_> this is very annoying
Dec 05 19:19:34 <Laurenceb_> echo ADAFRUIT-UART4 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots
Dec 05 19:19:34 <Laurenceb_> -bash: echo: write error: File exists
Dec 05 19:20:56 <Laurenceb_> http://www.corecompute.com/beagle/beagle_20140901.html
Dec 05 19:21:00 <Laurenceb_> looks like same problem
Dec 05 19:21:07 <Laurenceb_> a bug somewhere?
Dec 05 19:22:05 <Laurenceb_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17707987/beaglebone-linux-issues-appending-a-line-to-a-file
Dec 05 19:22:12 <Laurenceb_> something is broken badly somewhere
Dec 05 19:24:42 <Laurenceb_> anyone alive here?
Dec 05 19:24:47 <Laurenceb_> or is the channel dead?
Dec 05 19:31:20 <woglinde> its friday evening
Dec 05 19:31:26 <woglinde> what do you expect?
Dec 05 19:31:58 <Laurenceb_> lol
Dec 05 19:35:40 <_av500_> did somebody say free beer?
Dec 05 19:42:48 <woglinde> hehe
Dec 05 19:43:13 <ogra_> beer ?!?
Dec 05 19:43:52 <vagrantc> bears, free the bears
Dec 05 19:44:34 <Laurenceb_> found the issue
Dec 05 19:44:36 <Laurenceb_> ADAFRUIT-UART4 conflict P9.13 (#9:ADAFRUIT-SPI1)
Dec 05 19:55:35 <woglinde> hm beer
Dec 05 19:55:40 <woglinde> it is not to late
Dec 05 19:55:43 <woglinde> to get one
Dec 05 20:00:45 <Tick> hi, do you know where I can download a recent image of Angstrom ?
Dec 05 20:03:05 <thurgood_> maybe thee github repo is still updated?
Dec 05 20:04:25 <Tick> I found their nightly repo, but their is no "plug and play" image, you must compile the kernel etc ... :/
Dec 05 20:04:33 <thurgood_> https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution
Dec 05 20:05:05 <thurgood_> ah, 'k dunno if they still distribute images or not :/
Dec 05 20:06:19 <plaw> free beer at 7AM? great idea!
Dec 05 20:07:30 <Tick> I'm trying their scripts
Dec 05 20:15:26 <Tick> Their tools download angstrom 2013.12 :/
Dec 05 21:07:51 <Tick> It's me or the link of the Jessie Debian on eLinux is in reality Wheezy oO ?
Dec 05 21:08:59 <rcn-ee> Tick, which link?
Dec 05 21:09:17 <Tick> https://rcn-ee.net/rootfs/bb.org/testing/2014-11-19/lxqt/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-jessie-lxqt-armhf-2014-11-19-2gb.img.xz
Dec 05 21:09:25 <rcn-ee> That's jessie..
Dec 05 21:09:55 <Tick> I just flashed and I'm on wheezy
Dec 05 21:10:32 <rcn-ee> It's you... ;)
Dec 05 21:10:48 <Tick> Maybe I missed my flash but everything seems clean
Dec 05 21:11:45 <rcn-ee> the md5sum still matches on the server side.. it was jessie when i uploaded it on Nov 20th. ;)
Dec 05 21:13:19 <Tick> Ok :)
Dec 05 21:13:31 <vvu> rcn-ee: thx for merging
Dec 05 21:14:17 <rcn-ee> vvu, not a problem.. if it's useful i merge. ;)
Dec 05 21:15:03 <vvu> true, this saves me a good work of patching to your omap builder
Dec 05 21:16:47 <vvu> also can you say how long does it take to make a rootfs on a wanboard or smth like that ?
Dec 05 21:17:00 <vvu> on my qemu machine it takes ~10 mins with my local mirror
Dec 05 21:17:45 <rcn-ee> vvu, 1hr 15mins: http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:8080/job/github_omap-image-builder/lastSuccessfulBuild/
Dec 05 21:18:18 <vvu> cannot read, missing read permissions :)
Dec 05 21:18:24 <Tick> Apparently it's my sdcard who is dead, it stay in Read Only mode :/
Dec 05 21:18:28 <rcn-ee> it just ran: export apt_proxy=apt-proxy:3142/ ./RootStock-NG.sh -c bb.org-debian-stable-4gb
Dec 05 21:18:51 <rcn-ee> vvu, jenkins musta changed something, that use to be world-readable....
Dec 05 21:19:08 <vvu> :(
Dec 05 21:20:44 <rcn-ee> vvu, how about now (i have github oauth managing it)  http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:8080/job/github_omap-image-builder/lastSuccessfulBuild/
Dec 05 21:21:00 <vvu> same
Dec 05 21:21:07 <vvu> ungureanuvladvictor is missing the Overall/Read permission
Dec 05 21:21:31 <vvu> yep can read now
Dec 05 21:23:43 <rcn-ee> it should help give you an idea.. that's also on the older boudary devices i.mx6 (only 1gb of ram) but still sata harddrive..
Dec 05 21:25:04 <vvu> yep, so i am in good case 10 mins with a fair amount of packages :)
Dec 05 21:25:16 <rcn-ee> Tick, try: rebooting, different usb-flash adapter, etc..
Dec 05 21:25:23 <vvu> still have sata harddrive, want to change to an ssd
Dec 05 21:25:25 <rcn-ee> yeap, 10mins is pretty quick fo rit..
Dec 05 21:25:26 <Tick> yep
Dec 05 21:28:54 <Tick> I found the problem, my "dd" line was wrong :(
Dec 05 21:29:11 <rcn-ee> hopefully you didn't take out your main drive..
Dec 05 21:30:25 <Tick> I swaped if= and of= :o
Dec 05 21:30:40 <Tick> So I dump my SD card with Wheezy inside
Dec 05 21:30:42 <Tick> Genius
Dec 05 21:31:39 <rcn-ee> You backed it up. ;)
Dec 05 21:36:09 <Timo> Hey
Dec 05 21:36:56 <Guest13965> How can i write a GUI ?
Dec 05 21:38:07 <rcn-ee> etch a sketch's work great..
Dec 05 21:42:42 <djlewis> not the correct answer? perhaps the all steps and code is what he wanted ;)
Dec 05 21:43:14 <djlewis> rcn-ee: hi dude
Dec 05 21:43:17 <thurgood_> dunno the question itself was fairly ambiguous
Dec 05 21:44:16 <rcn-ee> darn he left.. i had a good follow with play doo.. or that magic goop!
Dec 05 21:44:25 <djlewis> hehee
Dec 05 21:44:56 <djlewis> golly, i googled his query and what a load of info
Dec 05 21:45:25 <rcn-ee> totally ambiguous... ;)
Dec 05 21:45:27 <thurgood_> probably too much unrelated stuff, based on the question that was actually asked
Dec 05 21:45:46 <djlewis> thurgood_: dont be so serious on a friday ;)
Dec 05 21:46:11 <thurgood_> lol, I'm feeling checked out with another nearly 2 hours to go
Dec 05 21:46:27 <rcn-ee> or we should have pointed him to io.js as that's the fork of the week.. ;)
Dec 05 21:46:52 <thurgood_> webapp  4tw
Dec 05 21:47:56 <thurgood_> is io.js related to node somehow... other than language of choice?
Dec 05 21:48:28 <rcn-ee> it's a fork of node.js by node.js top 4-5 developers... they got tired of dealing with the company sponsoring node.js..
Dec 05 21:48:55 <thurgood_> ah.. just found that out on the googles
Dec 05 21:53:23 <zyamada> One day I set out to learn how to make GUIs...
Dec 05 21:53:38 <zyamada> Eighteen hours later, I completed my first webapp :\
Dec 05 21:53:59 <_av500_> gee, old people here
Dec 05 21:56:29 <zyamada> I've just been getting into JavaScript after spending most my life using Perl.
Dec 05 21:56:39 <zyamada> I feel like I've been released from a prison I never knew I was in.
Dec 05 22:04:56 <djlewis> my first gui was in ass'y with some C thrown in for a video card demo.
Dec 05 22:05:10 <djlewis> 1992
Dec 05 22:05:39 <zyamada> And I'm being called old :p
Dec 05 22:06:40 <djlewis> Well truthfully my gui dev goes back into the 80's
Dec 05 22:08:14 <_av500_> zyamada: nope, not calling you old
Dec 05 22:11:01 <zyamada> Oh thank goodness. I am having difficulties letting go of my youth.
Dec 05 22:11:34 <djlewis> we live in our youth forever. Gets us into lots of trouble but so what.
Dec 05 22:16:23 <_av500_> +1
Dec 05 22:23:45 <plaw> kids today!
Dec 05 22:23:48 * plaw eyerolls
Dec 05 22:23:53 <plaw> :-P
Dec 05 22:30:39 <kenrestivo> i avoided gui dev for most of my life because, yuck. but now enjoying it using clojurescript and om
Dec 05 22:35:08 <ds2> get gooey with gui?
Dec 05 22:58:08 <Tick> I'm a little disappointed with the 3.14 kernel, What replaces the device tree?
Dec 05 23:04:50 <rcn-ee> it is a "device tree" if you want 3.8 and capemgr just: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.8.13-bone68 ; sudo reboot
Dec 05 23:05:34 <djlewis> goodnight
Dec 05 23:10:25 <Tick> rcn-ee, ok thx !
Dec 05 23:10:47 <Tick> What changes in 3.14 ? Apparently it's the kernel who makes the job
Dec 05 23:16:31 <plaw> rcn-ee: ooh seeing you're here, thanks for all your beagle foo! Just wanted to say that 'in person' :)
Dec 05 23:22:47 <Tick> rcn-ee, I have installed nothing and my BBB is already full :|
Dec 05 23:54:03 <zyamada> halp
Dec 05 23:54:32 <zyamada> usr0 - 3 are blinking in sync with a patern like "blink-blink-pause"
Dec 05 23:55:54 <zyamada> should i hit it with a hammer?
Dec 05 23:56:15 <zyamada> ya, i think i'll do that.
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