**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 16 02:59:58 2014 Dec 16 04:07:49 trying to comprehend some beagle concepts Dec 16 04:08:04 what kind? Dec 16 04:08:12 which ones? Dec 16 04:08:37 there is something called flasher images... not sure what they are for Dec 16 04:09:00 is u-boot on the emmc? Dec 16 04:09:01 to flash the eMMC Dec 16 04:09:09 would be on each image Dec 16 04:09:50 U-Boot is a part of the boot manager, to direct the boot process Dec 16 04:10:05 whether or not the eMMC holds the OS (or it's on an SD card) Dec 16 04:10:13 still needs a boot manager Dec 16 04:11:42 or a "boot loader" in this case Dec 16 04:12:16 i am thinking of the raspberry pi... u-boot is on rom i think... i can blow the sd card away all day long... is this the same on beagle? Dec 16 04:13:08 well, if the eMMC is flashed, then yes...the SD card doesn't matter Dec 16 04:13:14 don't need one Dec 16 04:13:31 (unless you want to boot to it) Dec 16 04:13:58 i am looking at the images at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian Dec 16 04:14:32 there is a debian jessie image, but also flasher images... if i want to run jessie i only need the jessie image? Dec 16 04:14:53 which versio is Jessie again? Dec 16 04:14:58 what number? Dec 16 04:15:02 8 Dec 16 04:15:32 oh...i don't know that they've gone that far yet Dec 16 04:15:42 i thought Wheezy was were it was Dec 16 04:16:19 on elinux page is a link to prebuilt jessie image: https://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/jessie/debian-jessie-console-armhf-2014-10-29.tar.xz Dec 16 04:17:15 doesn't look like an eMMC flasher Dec 16 04:17:44 if i understand this properly, i can write this image to sd and then i can basically hold a button or something on boot and it will copy the sd to emmc Dec 16 04:17:59 not if it's not a flasher Dec 16 04:18:06 it needs to boot off the card Dec 16 04:18:13 would say eMMC-flasher Dec 16 04:18:19 to my knowledge Dec 16 04:19:20 two images, one flashes the eMMC, the other boots straight of mSD Dec 16 04:21:16 and the eMMC flasher says that in its name Dec 16 04:22:35 that jessie one does NOT look like an eMMC flasher to me Dec 16 04:24:22 http://beagleboard.org/latest-images Dec 16 04:24:29 they couldnt make it much easier if they tried Dec 16 04:24:46 except if you want Jessie Dec 16 04:25:00 the reason which escapes me... Dec 16 04:25:31 what kernel does Jessie have? Dec 16 04:25:50 i unno Dec 16 04:25:52 doesnt look like there is a docker.io package for wheezy... hence the desire for jessie Dec 16 04:26:39 what is docker? Dec 16 04:26:51 docker - System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications Dec 16 04:26:55 is that it? Dec 16 04:27:00 prolly not Dec 16 04:27:01 na docker.io Dec 16 04:27:27 can you build it from source? Dec 16 04:27:28 beaglenoob: https://registry.hub.docker.com/_/debian/ Dec 16 04:27:35 https://www.docker.com/ Dec 16 04:27:41 yeah, there now Dec 16 04:27:43 looking Dec 16 04:27:51 7.7, 7, wheezy, latest (wheezy/Dockerfile) Dec 16 04:28:08 i have Wheezy 7.7 Dec 16 04:28:47 https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-debian/blob/94324b3f6941631db52b94cf7f4097fc239e8e68/wheezy/Dockerfile Dec 16 04:28:48 yes, i want to run docker on the beagle and then docker images run on top Dec 16 04:28:58 i use the latest eMMC flasher from the BB site Dec 16 04:30:53 lets say my emmc is fubar... i would just write a flasher image to sd and flash the emmc to restore? Dec 16 04:31:09 yea Dec 16 04:32:23 is emmc the boot default? does a boot order need to be set to boot from sd? Dec 16 04:32:30 First newsletter going out tomorrow.... Dec 16 04:32:30 http://beagleboard.org/newsletter-subscribe Dec 16 04:33:29 thinking about theming future letters and encouraging more/featured contributors. Dec 16 04:34:12 waiting for the confirmation email Dec 16 04:34:20 how long does that take? Dec 16 04:35:06 beaglenoob: /b 17 Dec 16 04:35:10 gah Dec 16 04:35:12 ignore Dec 16 04:35:22 tb__: should be right away Dec 16 04:35:26 nah Dec 16 04:35:59 i use Hotmail though Dec 16 04:36:17 maybe M$ doesn't play well with Linux? Dec 16 04:36:26 "They know" Dec 16 04:37:39 try this sign-up form and see if there is any difference... using mailchimp: http://eepurl.com/-410j Dec 16 04:38:25 just gave it my gmail add Dec 16 04:38:34 same (non)result Dec 16 04:39:08 sent to new URL form Dec 16 04:39:16 weird... it responded to my gmail pretty quick. Dec 16 04:39:30 it was within a couple seconds. Dec 16 04:39:56 HEY!!! Dec 16 04:40:03 the second link worked for gmail Dec 16 04:40:07 nothing for Hotmal Dec 16 04:40:10 Hotmail Dec 16 04:40:27 done Dec 16 04:41:27 k. Dec 16 04:41:49 People always say (about Hotmail)... "Maybe it went to your junk box!" Dec 16 04:41:56 Yeah, right. It's Hotmail. Dec 16 04:42:06 they let all the junk through by default Dec 16 04:42:18 it just doesn't work Dec 16 04:49:55 jkridner, is your book still in the first edition? Dec 16 05:26:26 anyone know where to find detailed instructions to build arago images for beaglebone black with opengl support? Dec 16 05:37:39 jkridner: I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. So I did. Dec 16 06:09:48 Hii all Dec 16 06:10:00 i am compiling a source code and i am getting relocation R_ARM_THM_MOVW_ABS_NC against `std::cout' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC Dec 16 06:10:16 https://bpaste.net/show/f6233a3caed5 Dec 16 06:10:31 i am already compiling with fPIC Dec 16 06:10:40 what else to do Dec 16 06:11:54 facing the powering issue with beagl bone black , TPS65217 voltage fallen down to 1.1V what could be the reason Dec 16 06:17:37 Anyone have PRU assembly experience? I'm trying to write the individual bits in a PRU register to one of the output pins, but finding it kind of difficult. The SET instruction doesn't let you write to a different offset in the destination register than you read from the source register. Dec 16 06:29:33 I am getting resolution problem on beaglebone Dec 16 06:33:45 i am connected with ssh Dec 16 06:33:58 and i did export DISPLAY=":0" Dec 16 06:34:14 and then also leafpad is not opening from here Dec 16 06:41:25 what could be the reason for system_5V to fall down to 1.1V in the BBB Dec 16 06:41:42 bad power supply? Dec 16 06:42:07 Hi Adj Dec 16 06:42:35 input is a perfect 5V fed from power supply Dec 16 06:42:51 something is pulling too much current. Dec 16 06:43:46 because system_5v is fallen to 1.1V non of the other voltages are coming ,so current is drawn Dec 16 06:44:05 no current is drawn Dec 16 06:44:44 board is bed with out power Dec 16 06:46:04 whatdo you think could be the reason for this power supply section dead Dec 16 08:30:15 Hello :) Dec 16 08:47:04 i am trying to use both mouse and keyboard using one usb hub but it isn't working Dec 16 08:47:33 hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 Dec 16 11:07:58 hi, i'm trying to access my BB rev C4 running an image from http://narcissus.angstrom-distribution.org/ . Right now, I only see the logo on the monitor, but how can I get a terminal or X on it ? Dec 16 11:13:52 Hi all! Dec 16 11:13:53 I got a BBB and a WL18xx cape. I'm trying to run a Yocto build on it. The kernel is configured with the WL18xx drivers and when I boot the BBB I can modprobe wl18xx drivers, no problem they load fine. Dec 16 11:13:53 My concern is that I don't get any new interface in ifconfig or iwconfig. Dec 16 11:13:53 I'm running my build from µSD card but I can see that the emmc is also found by the kernel. I understand that the emmc and Wl18xx cape uses the same MMC. So I think I have to remove the emmc from the device tree file and add something for the WL18. I would really appreciate if somebody could give me a hint. Dec 16 11:13:54 Thanks! Dec 16 11:15:41 that indeed sounds sensible Dec 16 11:17:30 I TI's guide on they changed the device tree in their sdk but it seems that they use a different version of the WLCORE so those changes doens't work. Dec 16 11:47:34 mdp: so Rybok is trying to get a why-link-ate cape going Dec 16 11:47:52 11:13:53< Rybok> I'm running my build from µSD card but I can see that the emmc is also found by the kernel. I understand that the emmc and Wl18xx cape uses the same MMC. So I think I have to remove the emmc from the device tree file and add something for the WL18. I would really appreciate if somebody could give me a hint. Dec 16 11:47:58 11:17:30< Rybok> I TI's guide on they changed the device tree in their sdk but it seems that they use a different version of the WLCORE so those changes doens't work. Dec 16 11:50:18 Rybok: I'm on a mobile client atm, so will be brief...there's a gpio that needs to be asserted at boot to hold the eMMC in reset. You can see it on the schematic Dec 16 11:51:38 I'll dig out the details when I'm at a real keyboard Dec 16 11:55:16 tbr, thanks! I'll check the schematics!! Dec 16 12:26:01 Rybok: so first, my working 3.18-rc4 branch is here: https://github.com/ohporter/linux/commits/bbb-wl1835mod-cape-3.18-rc4 Dec 16 12:26:58 a few cherrypicked patches from TI's vendor kernel and the gpio hogging mechanism from upstream..but https://github.com/ohporter/linux/commit/cf2233930092dbf4b55d4fc472e1c3ae13d9760f has the important dts support Dec 16 12:29:10 Rybok: the same rough approach can be applied to any older kernel..note that I use gpiohogs to be sure that gpio1_20 and gpio1_29 stay asserted high Dec 16 12:30:06 Rybok: you also need to modify your uEnv.txt to have "gpio set 52" and "gpio set 61" so this happens immediately when U-Boot parses that config file. Dec 16 12:30:41 and so gpio1_20 you'll find is on the BBB schematic itself and used to hold the eMMC in reset. Dec 16 12:31:19 gpio1_29 is on the wilink8 cape and enables the buffers so the wilink8 owns that sdio bus. Dec 16 12:31:46 did anyone here ever used a fluid flow sensor? Dec 16 12:32:18 cityoflights2: sure. but never with a bbb, nor can i share code or schematics :) Dec 16 12:32:22 aside from getting the right WiFi/BT firmware, that's the only special thing needed since this cape is a crude hack on top of BBB Dec 16 12:33:21 LetoThe2nd: I got the FS300A G3/4" rated at 1-60 L/min Dec 16 12:34:25 it worked fine for a couple of months, then all of a sadden stopped emitting pulses Dec 16 12:34:51 I replaced it with a second sensor and still got no readings Dec 16 12:35:01 did you check with a scope? Dec 16 12:35:10 it is an open collector type Dec 16 12:35:19 hi, can anyone tell me what the minicom baudrate settings are to connect with the BB Rev C4 ? Dec 16 12:35:21 "did you check with a scope"? Dec 16 12:35:28 no Dec 16 12:35:37 "then check with a scope" Dec 16 12:35:49 hvn2: over the serial ftdi? 115200. Dec 16 12:35:52 any other , less expensive option? Dec 16 12:36:13 "borrow a scope, then check with that said scope" Dec 16 12:36:38 ok Dec 16 12:36:40 sorry, input circuitry debugging without proper tools is just a waste of time. Dec 16 12:36:43 LetoThe2nd: ok, and 8N1, no hardware, no software ? Dec 16 12:36:50 hvn2: yes. Dec 16 12:36:55 * LetoThe2nd is bbiab Dec 16 12:37:37 is it possible the debian 7.7 image doens't run a program to allow me to connect to the BBB via usb, from a linux pc? Dec 16 12:37:51 the linux pc has the ftdi module loaded Dec 16 12:39:15 Hello to all. I used to use my BBB with kernel 3.8 (ubuntu 14.04 from rcn-ee.net), but recently I moved to kernel 3.14.22-ti-r31 when the ubuntu image was updated. My intention was trying to solve a problem I was having regarding network. Dec 16 12:39:39 In the previous kernel, I could disable hdmi pins by using capemgr Dec 16 12:40:00 LetoThe2nd: ok, have all that set...yet no contact,, and the BB is running with BB logo showing Dec 16 12:40:07 by writing capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN in uEnv.txt Dec 16 12:40:43 I do this because I do not have a screen on my beagle and need to use those pins initially reserved to HDMI Dec 16 12:41:27 but with the new kernel there's no capemgr and it seems I can't disable the hdmi pins in order to use them in my application Dec 16 12:41:39 mdp, thanks a lot, It would take me quite some time to figure that one out... I'm saving your text and will check it now.. Dec 16 12:42:25 so my question is: How to disable HDMI cape with the new kernel, without using camepgr? Dec 16 12:42:29 capemgr Dec 16 12:45:59 ok, found the error: booting ends in kernel panic Dec 16 16:15:07 jkridner, some follow up from last night's subscription confirmation. I received the second confirmation to the gmail account--about 30 minute or so later. Never got the Hotmail ones. Dec 16 16:30:29 can you guys recommend a good pwm pru library to use with a c program or a good c++ pwm library? I am struggling with pwm right now and can't seem to figure out what I need to do to get speed controll working with pwm Dec 16 16:50:09 I just bought a Geolocation Tracker (GPRS + GPS) with SIM908 for doing a gps project with arduino, I was wondering, could it be possible to make it work on the BBB? What exactly do I need to read for making it work? Dec 16 16:50:13 Not quite sure about it Dec 16 16:51:03 mistawright, https://github.com/jadonk/bad-to-the-bone-examples/tree/master/chapter-6 Dec 16 16:51:11 take a look at those source files Dec 16 16:51:17 (for ideas) Dec 16 16:51:18 hi tb__. Dec 16 16:51:38 speaking of pwm source files...lol Dec 16 16:51:40 not sure why the hotmail didn't work. never found in spam either? Dec 16 16:51:46 hi jkridner Dec 16 16:53:03 tb__, would file calls be noticeable when toggling outputs from high to low for an rc car? Dec 16 17:17:10 sorry mistawright, was on a telecon Dec 16 17:17:22 i can't imagine they would be noticeable Dec 16 17:18:00 those source files are from jkridner's PRU examples, so those would be near real-time, as I understand it Dec 16 18:39:15 Hello. I'm a new user of beagle and I really need your help guys. I have like 3 hours to setup collaborative text editor at beagle and protect this with a password. To clarify: I need something like standard installed cloud9 ide, but protected and with options for standard text editors, without any wrappers for terminals, etc. I have SD card, so I can reinstall to any OS ( I like Arch btw. :) Dec 16 18:40:09 use puppet or saltstack or ansible to provisioning your stuff Dec 16 18:43:26 Ok, that looks great woglinde Dec 16 18:43:48 Now I only need a cloud9ide-like software Dec 16 18:44:08 ? Dec 16 18:44:22 I know nothing about cloud9ide Dec 16 18:45:08 tomekkk, use vim Dec 16 18:46:08 It's preinstalled at every beagle. Go to X.X.X.X:3000/ide.html Dec 16 18:46:19 py0, vim isn't collaborative software. Dec 16 18:46:54 hm Dec 16 18:47:01 dunno bub Dec 16 18:47:13 github it up Dec 16 18:49:55 It's tiring, we tried. We need to be able to write to the same txt file at the same time. This build-in cloud9 ide is great for this, but it also gives to much access to my beagle Dec 16 18:54:33 Hi, my name is Pedro Santos. I have a Beagle Bone Black here and I'd like some information about the board's reliability. Do you have calculations about its MTBF? Dec 16 18:56:32 I imagine that varies greatly by usage scenario Dec 16 18:59:29 tomekkk: I generally would suggest a repository for your scenario, what little I have read of it Dec 16 19:00:09 git, hg, or whatever you're hopefully already familiar with Dec 16 19:05:25 Thanks for recommendations but we really need only collaborative, online text editor. Software versioning is not what we need for simple .txt file Dec 16 19:07:21 tomekkk use a apache before cloud9 stuff Dec 16 19:07:26 which can do the auth Dec 16 19:07:37 then google docs perhaps? Dec 16 19:07:54 thurgood_ he needs it on the beagle somehow Dec 16 19:07:57 or is this an assignmnet that specifically requires the bbb? Dec 16 19:09:58 I want to keep this on my server (bbb). We want to share confidential data there and I can't just create this file at some 3rd party servers like Google Dec 16 19:21:29 tomekkk: just run an etherpad then. it's open source etc. Dec 16 19:22:57 Thanks tbr! It looks great :) Dec 16 19:23:21 And thanks to all for help, bye :) Dec 16 19:24:34 powodzenia... Dec 16 22:03:03 hello Dec 16 22:04:45 hi Dec 16 22:05:14 could someone point me what i'm doing wrong? I'm going to use u-boot + android boot image. I see in serial console message "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." and then nothing gonna happens Dec 16 22:06:01 I know I can't help with that. but it sounds a bit like something that's getting lots of attention on the mail list recently, if memory serves correct Dec 16 22:06:12 u-boot loads kernel to 0x80000000 and kernel offset is 0x80008000 Dec 16 22:06:56 plaw: could you please point me that one? Dec 16 22:07:54 SilentJet: moment Dec 16 22:08:27 plaw: thank you Dec 16 22:08:42 SilentJet: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard Dec 16 22:09:12 really encourage every user to subscribe to that list, it's fairly busy but a whole wealth of info tumbles out of it each day Dec 16 22:09:57 SilentJet: if it's a bbb you have, this is the actual list for that https://groups.google.com/forum/#!categories/beagleboard/beaglebone-black Dec 16 22:10:54 ok, thanks a lot Dec 16 22:18:40 SilentJet: how did you install the rootfs an boot partitions? Dec 16 22:19:06 ... and Dec 16 22:19:54 I take u-boot 2013.04 from rowboat project Dec 16 22:20:12 make some changes that imroves fastboot stability and features Dec 16 22:20:56 also I'm using gpt partitioning and boot from raw partition Dec 16 22:21:17 I'm sucessfully load SPL, it loading uboot Dec 16 22:21:31 did you install it with fastboot flash commands?? Dec 16 22:21:36 yes Dec 16 22:22:03 hold on, have a little debug output Dec 16 22:22:07 ok Dec 16 22:22:44 http://pastebin.com/hsdHwACj Dec 16 22:23:03 were you following instructions from anywhere? Dec 16 22:23:47 well... there is no exact instruction Dec 16 22:24:10 just have a previos expirience with omap4 devices Dec 16 22:24:39 looks to me like a mismatch in the device id passed from uboot to the kernel Dec 16 22:24:56 kernel was built using linaro latest bare metal toolchain gcc-4.7 Dec 16 22:25:01 based on mistakes I've made in the past Dec 16 22:25:52 device id ? what do you mean ? Dec 16 22:26:06 did you mean kernel machine name ? Dec 16 22:28:20 also i'm not familiar with linux booting process, but I think something wrong with ATAGs Dec 16 22:28:43 cause I do not see usual ATAG values at offset 0x100 Dec 16 22:28:58 (which is 0x80000100) Dec 16 22:32:07 thurgood_: any suggestions ? Dec 16 22:35:49 yeah I think the device id is passed as an ATAG value Dec 16 22:37:28 ATAG_REVISION ? :) Dec 16 22:37:59 it should be based on the board you're using Dec 16 22:39:06 bbb i'm using Dec 16 22:39:23 so it should be bnlt i guess Dec 16 22:40:22 when you set up uboot, you did config with the machine type? Dec 16 22:40:51 and you also set up the machine type in the kernel menuconfig? Dec 16 22:41:18 weeeeelll not sure xD Dec 16 22:41:31 I'm just using rowboat kernel Dec 16 22:41:49 which is 3.2 and should at least do something in console xD Dec 16 22:42:08 you have a machine configuration file though, right? Dec 16 22:42:10 mean serial console Dec 16 22:42:30 yep, it is am335x_evm_defconfig as far as i remember Dec 16 22:43:36 isn't evm a different dev board? Dec 16 22:44:21 yes, but in general all of them are am335x based so it have mostly the same pinmux and so on Dec 16 22:45:11 also this kernel is declared as compataible with BBB, also there is images that works well Dec 16 22:45:32 So I guess issue is somewhere before the kernel Dec 16 22:46:20 Anyway, thanks a lot, you point me more ideas to debug Dec 16 22:46:51 the for TARGET_PRODUCT you used beaglebone? Dec 16 22:47:26 I'm not using rowboat android tree Dec 16 22:47:46 one more good idea to check rowboat tree for options xD Dec 16 22:48:34 but as for me rowboat tree is really dirty and full of hacks Dec 16 22:48:52 that is why i'm not using it xD Dec 16 22:49:45 yeah... but they have sgx working Dec 16 22:50:26 hate imagination Dec 16 22:50:27 :) Dec 16 22:51:01 guess that's not such a huge issue anymore since rcn_ee has it working in the console now Dec 16 22:51:06 so cool CPU and so proprietary and dirty drivers for GPU IP core Dec 16 22:52:32 Not sure I correct understand you Dec 16 22:52:36 what do you mean Dec 16 23:21:02 hi im looking for a specific image for the bb : bone-debian-7.4-2014-04-23-2gb.img Dec 16 23:21:11 Why? Dec 16 23:21:43 to install supercollider on it Dec 16 23:22:04 And you are absolutely sure that that will not install on any other image? Dec 16 23:22:44 not sure but i think not after 7.4 Dec 16 23:22:51 Have you tried? Dec 16 23:22:55 yes Dec 16 23:23:17 there is a whole thread about this here: http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/server-refuses-to-start-on-beaglebone-td7611281.html Dec 16 23:24:04 OK, so given the need for that specific image...how have you gone about trying to find it? Dec 16 23:25:38 looking on the beagleboard website , than on beaglebone wiki , reading some github instructions Dec 16 23:26:06 sorry im kind of new to linux Dec 16 23:28:35 Try simply Googling the filename. Dec 16 23:30:16 actually i tried: bone-debian-7.4-2014-04-23-2gb.img.xz ... just gives me three pages... no download link so far Dec 16 23:30:42 Have you tried the Wayback Machine? Dec 16 23:32:45 no gonna try now Dec 16 23:45:22 ok i think i found one which is usable thx @agmlego Dec 17 01:22:35 I am giving a talk on pxe booting intel PCs, as part of the "how things boot" I wanted to know how the BBB boots. like when the CPU is powered up, how does it know what instructions to execute? Dec 17 01:24:40 http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/Docs/Hardware/BONE_SRM.pdf says "The board is equipped with a single microSD connector to act as the primary boot source for the board." Dec 17 01:25:46 does the cpu address the microSD as memory, not a block device? Dec 17 01:27:14 CarlFK: there's probably a bootloader of some sort to get the ARM rolling Dec 17 01:29:03 Hi Dec 17 01:29:47 new to beaglebone black Dec 17 01:29:54 so have a couple of questions Dec 17 01:30:07 do you use Code Composer studio for development? Dec 17 01:31:04 hi, how can i set a gpio pin as digital out? Dec 17 01:35:27 demok: there may be a better answer, but this might be an answer http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2014/08/15/program-raspberry-pi-using-pingo-raspberrypi-piday-raspberry_pi/ "Pingo provides a uniform API to program devices like the Raspberry Pi, BeagleBone Black, pcDuino etc." Dec 17 02:26:35 picked up a BBB when they first came out, then got busy in life, board has been sitting on a shelf since. Dec 17 02:26:53 is there an image that can boot off a usb disk ? Dec 17 02:28:16 BBBill: heh - I am looking for boot options too Dec 17 02:28:32 http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/Docs/Hardware/BONE_SRM.pdf says "The board is equipped with a single microSD connector to act as the primary boot source for the board." Dec 17 02:29:22 from what I can tell, the microSD chip (or card?) would need code that can boot from the usb Dec 17 02:30:52 sounds like not much has changed since the board was first released. Dec 17 02:39:34 thank you, CarlFK Dec 17 02:40:01 another question, i want to disable HDMI pins but still want to use HDMI port Dec 17 02:40:07 is it possible? Dec 17 02:40:38 I have no idea **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 17 02:59:59 2014