**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 09 02:59:58 2015 Mar 09 03:00:30 Necrosporus: the header on the beaglebone is designed for the FTDI serial cable, which has a 6-pin connector on it Mar 09 03:00:38 I'm sure J1 pinout is somewhere in wiki Mar 09 03:00:45 What are other three pins for? Mar 09 03:00:51 not connected on the beaglebone Mar 09 03:01:09 So they are just pins not leading anywhere? Mar 09 03:01:49 correct, just to mate properly with the serial cable Mar 09 03:01:57 I still think it might be good to have an option to use pins 1 2 3, so other connector could be used with only three or four pins Mar 09 03:02:00 (which uses them for +5V, RTS, CTS) Mar 09 03:02:29 though it could introduce compatibility issues Mar 09 03:03:01 What is +5v for? Mar 09 03:03:18 are there devices which are powered by uart cable? Mar 09 03:04:31 Also there are some revisions of bbb Mar 09 03:04:37 which one is better? Mar 09 03:04:48 I guess, C? Mar 09 03:05:51 It uses ground RX and TX the remain are 5V power RTS and CTS I use the same cable at work (I use 5V RX TX and ground) Mar 09 03:06:51 What do you use 5v for? Mar 09 03:13:33 Power for boards it is plugged into. the USB spec is vague enough that you can draw without issue up to 125ma. Mar 09 03:14:22 After that it has to be "told" officially how much current it should be drawing. So it doesn't cause a fault on an unpowered bridge or some such. Mar 09 03:14:27 the usb spec isn't vague about how much power you may draw afaik, though you may be able to get away with violating it :P Mar 09 03:15:36 depends also on how much current draw the serial cable is declaring in its descriptor Mar 09 03:15:54 (which is configurable in EEPROM for ftdi cables) Mar 09 03:17:46 Well on that note sleep calls me. Mar 09 03:18:06 well, tell it to leave a message Mar 09 03:18:08 ;) Mar 09 03:18:24 Mar 09 03:24:06 I found the faq, so I withdraw my question, the C revision is best and latest Mar 09 03:24:42 Though I'm not sure about cost, I found an offer for 58 usd, I guess it's ok Mar 09 03:26:45 usb spec states a maximum draw of 500mA on usb2 Mar 09 03:26:58 per port... and also has spec's for voltage drop over cable too Mar 09 03:27:25 hence max length of 5m permitted Mar 09 03:29:56 Is BBB rev C still $45 usd by the way? Mar 09 03:30:21 I see something about increasing the price by 5 or 15 usd Mar 09 03:30:59 I see, 55 USD Mar 09 03:34:34 Necrosporus .. the vendors are all on http://beagleboard.org iirc .. pick one close to you, and check prices. Or you can pay inflated prices on fleabay/etc. Your choice. But most likely, you will be waiting a few days :p Mar 09 03:35:12 veremit, the problem is there are no vendors in my country Mar 09 03:35:57 Necrosporus: pick a country which is reasonable to buy from to your country Mar 09 03:36:12 Pick vendors and find one that ships to your country, I'm sure at least a few do Mar 09 03:37:12 I suspect that with shipping cost it might appear more expensive than from local reseller (58 usd, though seem it's not C rev) Mar 09 03:38:36 I doubt there are any old revisions available from the authorised vendors .. stock moves VERY fast .. Mar 09 03:39:16 it's not autorized I guess Mar 09 03:39:46 where are you Necrosporus ? Mar 09 03:40:38 russia Mar 09 03:44:22 Necrosporus .. http://ru.farnell.com/element14/bbone-black-4g/beaglebone-black-rev-c-cortex/dp/2422228 Mar 09 03:45:25 doesn't make any sense to me .. but maybe to you :) Mar 09 03:51:11 20 usd for shipping? Mar 09 05:31:25 hello everyone Mar 09 05:31:37 i need some help regarding flashing my bbb Mar 09 05:31:59 i tried all the steps given on the official website but after the process completes Mar 09 05:32:07 when i remove the sd card Mar 09 05:32:11 nothing happends Mar 09 05:32:20 only two lights blink Mar 09 05:32:36 can anyone tell me what is the solution for this problem Mar 09 05:34:21 jafsf, try to remove power cord? Mar 09 05:34:33 maybe hard reset helps? Mar 09 05:34:47 if not, use a serial debugger to see what's going wrong Mar 09 05:36:30 i tried removing the power Mar 09 05:36:37 and then turning it on Mar 09 05:36:54 but i can not detect it on pc nor through 192.168.7.2 Mar 09 05:37:16 how can i do hard reset? and serial debugger? Mar 09 05:42:00 jafsf, first power it on then attach UART cable to J1 according to pinout http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Serial_Debug_Cables Mar 09 05:47:25 thanks Mar 09 05:47:42 is it the problem caused due to lack of power Mar 09 05:49:21 jafsf, do not attach serial cable before the board is powered on Mar 09 05:52:24 also first boot can take quite long so be patient for it to appear over usb... Mar 09 05:53:20 also if you interrupt first boot it might break it completely and you need to reflash Mar 09 05:54:26 tbr, how could you reflash it if first boot breaks? Mar 09 05:54:38 is there a way to reflash BBB from completely bricked state? Mar 09 05:54:42 just as you did before Mar 09 05:54:51 I did not, I do not have a BBB yet Mar 09 05:55:05 ah, the other guy did Mar 09 05:55:16 it's explained on beagleboard.org Mar 09 05:55:22 jafsf, which flashing guide have you used? Mar 09 05:56:27 you can't brick it completely in software. for "complete brick" being unrecoverable Mar 09 05:56:28 i used it from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black Mar 09 05:56:35 i flashed it Mar 09 05:56:48 then i saw the 4 leds turn on for a while after the flashing is done Mar 09 05:56:56 i removed the power Mar 09 05:57:03 and then i removed the sd card Mar 09 05:57:11 and then started the bbb by reconnecting it Mar 09 05:57:23 now i can see D2 in a heartbeat pattern Mar 09 05:57:32 and D4 led blinking randomly Mar 09 05:57:49 but i can not detect it on the computer Mar 09 05:57:54 could not login via ssh Mar 09 05:58:08 use serial console to see what's going on Mar 09 05:58:14 can not login via browser through the ip 192.168.7.2 Mar 09 05:58:24 right now i dont have one im ordering it Mar 09 05:58:30 but is there a way to fix this Mar 09 05:58:36 it worked fine with ubuntu Mar 09 05:58:40 jafsf, you could find one as cheap as 2usd Mar 09 05:58:42 and it was up and running Mar 09 05:58:56 yeah i will be buying it Mar 09 05:59:13 but im just interested to know how to rectify the error before that Mar 09 05:59:33 some people said it caused because of lack of power supply Mar 09 06:00:10 jafsf, wait at least a hour with the device powered on Mar 09 06:00:18 maybe it's booting up Mar 09 06:00:53 if it isn't try to repeat flashing verifying you are using the right image and it's written to your sdcard correctly Mar 09 06:02:29 yeah i tried Mar 09 06:02:35 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black i used the second image Mar 09 06:02:43 https://rcn-ee.net/rootfs/2015-02-19/flasher/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.8-console-armhf-2015-02-19-2gb.img.xz Mar 09 06:02:49 from here Mar 09 06:03:11 also its booting up and working with uSD card but not on the emmc flashing method Mar 09 06:05:40 does the beagle appear as a storage device? Mar 09 10:02:20 hi Mar 09 10:02:56 beagle have any mediatek or snapdragon board Mar 09 10:03:10 no, they are all TI SoCs Mar 09 10:03:32 wat is TI Mar 09 10:03:35 after all it was started by TI people and TI people seem to remain in control Mar 09 10:03:44 a company making calculators Mar 09 10:03:53 ok Mar 09 10:04:20 then which processors using in beagle Mar 09 10:04:44 "they are all TI SoCs" Mar 09 10:05:53 which processors using in beagle Mar 09 10:06:01 "they are all TI SoCs" Mar 09 10:06:27 how much will be the cost Mar 09 10:06:47 ask a local distributor Mar 09 10:07:21 can we install android in it Mar 09 10:08:03 people have built android for it, yes Mar 09 10:08:51 is there any specially compiled android needed Mar 09 10:10:42 I guess so, I never looked at those. You can easily find those using a search engine. Mar 09 10:11:53 ok Mar 09 10:12:16 I would like to develop a smartphone using this Mar 09 10:12:24 can I? Mar 09 10:13:07 * KotH hands JIJU one google Mar 09 10:13:55 hi Mar 09 10:14:18 and the answer is probably no, as you seem unable to answer even those simple questions yourself Mar 09 10:14:56 but people like mdp or panto could help you Mar 09 10:17:24 ok Mar 09 13:11:08 Hello all Mar 09 13:12:10 anyone like show tunes Mar 09 13:12:21 ? Mar 09 13:13:50 its a simple question Mar 09 13:14:31 i love them. and you. Mar 09 13:46:53 so i just flashed the latest ubuntu image to my beaglebone black. I am now having trouble with device tree overlays. I have been looking at the capes and it seems like pwm support isnt quite there for 3.14 Mar 09 13:47:17 is that correct and if so how can I go about downgrading the kernel on the beaglebone black back to 3.8 Mar 09 13:52:58 mistawright: are you looking for epwmss[0..2] ? Mar 09 13:57:59 Cats_home, yes, but at the same time i am guessing i would need to use the tb-rebuilder and add a custom dtsi. will the dts files from the 3.8 kernel work fine with the 3.14 or has the structure changed? Mar 09 13:58:22 it as changed Mar 09 13:58:31 but not that much Mar 09 14:01:05 if you want to use P8_13 as pwm, you have first to disable it from pinmux to free it ie: &ocp { Mar 09 14:01:05 P8_13_pinmux { Mar 09 14:01:05 status = "disabled"; Mar 09 14:01:05 }; Mar 09 14:01:05 }; Mar 09 14:01:13 and then reconfigure it Mar 09 14:01:23 Cats_home, https://github.com/VegetableAvenger/BBBIOlib/blob/master/overlay/BBBIO-EHRPWM-00A0.dts this is the dts file I will need to use Mar 09 14:02:08 I am not sure what will need to be modified at this point to be able to use the library properly. Mar 09 14:04:09 mm have a look at am33x.dtsi in the kernel tree in arch/arm/boot/dts/ Mar 09 14:12:11 Cats_home, there isnt any good concise tutorials you can point me at is there? or how can i downgrade my kernel? Mar 09 14:12:59 mistawright: I don't know any good tutorials, I went by trial and error when I moved to 3.1x kernels Mar 09 14:14:13 mistawright, just "sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.8.13-bone70" to downgrade.. Mar 09 14:17:14 you have all the pwm defined in the am33xx.dtsi, so you could enable them in a dts Mar 09 14:21:56 Cats_home, will go with that method and see what i can get out of it Mar 09 14:22:41 rcn-ee, thanks i will go ahead and downgrade and write the newest beaglebone black image to another microsd card to play around with the 3.14 kernel in the long run Mar 09 14:34:20 greetings all Mar 09 14:34:37 any 4.0-rc adventurers yet on the bbb? Mar 09 14:34:56 if so.. thoughts? Mar 09 14:54:59 Tenkawa: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30 Mar 09 15:00:45 I have issues with using wifi-direct with ath9k_htc and the 3.19 kernel Mar 09 15:01:36 I also can't connect to the wifi network with the r8188eu Mar 09 15:01:49 the r8188eu used to work on 3.19 rc3 Mar 09 15:02:13 I did started to use connman Mar 09 15:03:04 should I try 4.0 to fix the wireless issues? Mar 09 15:04:24 kernel: R8188EU: ERROR indicate disassoc Mar 09 15:12:07 bloody realtek cards Mar 09 15:12:34 stt_michael: heheh I hear ya Mar 09 15:12:47 I was battling a sdio realtek card this morning Mar 09 15:13:32 got a 8192cu based on 8188ctv chip .. got it working with the realtek drivers bodged in my 3.19 RN kernel Mar 09 15:19:32 Hi , is https://rcn-ee.net/ down ? Mar 09 15:20:34 rcn-ee ... ! Mar 09 15:20:53 khancyr, it's down big time... it stays up for about a minute... Mar 09 15:20:55 http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/rcn-ee.net Mar 09 15:20:59 khancyr, what link are you following... Mar 09 15:21:05 pinged, dreamhost...waiting on a fix.. Mar 09 15:21:30 ah, already ack'd :) Mar 09 15:21:30 moved the "bootloader"... https://github.com/beagleboard/image-builder/commit/f47615fb32fc1b3ed18fa7f08c6d22bab5ba309c Mar 09 15:21:44 but the "NetInstall" will be completely down.... Mar 09 15:23:25 ok thanks, i was updating my BBB kernel with Nelson script Mar 09 15:24:53 khancyr, hopefully it'll be up soon. (before i find a new host. ;) as it's about a 100GB to rsync.. ) the apt repo is still up.. so depending on what image you have (cat /etc/dogtag) you can update via apt-get.. Mar 09 15:51:29 co-location next, rcn-ee ;) Mar 09 15:52:09 ./etc/dogtag .. nice Mar 09 15:53:06 stt_michael, well... it's co-located behind my cable modem. ;) Mar 09 15:55:07 hehe Mar 09 15:55:08 nice Mar 09 16:07:13 hi Mar 09 16:19:15 fellas, I am having lose information problem when I save information into sd_card of the BBB. Someone knows a guide to store information in SD card? Mar 09 16:27:29 are you 'sync' ing before unmounting? Mar 09 16:27:37 or unmounting at all :) Mar 09 16:29:11 also, are you sure the filesystem buffers have flushed and the files are closed so the intended data has actually been written to disk Mar 09 16:39:27 y i am using sync, but about unmounting, the device have a power down button that disable the BBB and i don´t have time to unmount :/ Mar 09 16:41:19 HeXtor, are you just touching the power button, or holdign it for more then 5 seconds? Mar 09 16:41:32 by touching it, systemd should properlly umount everything and shutdown.. Mar 09 16:41:42 if you hold it, it's the same as yanking power... Mar 09 16:43:39 thx for the info but is not he power button of the BBB itself, is form one battery that yanking power. So i am figuring it out what is happening.. Mar 09 16:46:43 HeXtor, seems obvious... unless you tell the system, your yanking power... file corruption will occur.. Mar 09 16:49:20 yep, i will think how solve this. thx dude! Mar 09 17:11:31 HI, When I reflash a BBB, Do I lose the information or files in my /home Directory? Mar 09 17:12:34 yes Mar 09 17:12:46 yes, it overwrites the filesystem Mar 09 17:14:14 I need to know before do it, or change and IMG from uSD booting. Due to My BBB does not boot only blink USR0 led, maybe because repetitively wrong shut down. Mar 09 17:17:10 carlosfelipe29: then boot from µSD first. don't use a flasher image. Mar 09 17:21:12 How I do a booting from µSD without lose the info on my emmc?' Mar 09 17:22:09 carlosfelipe1981, suggest perhaps use a uSD card for your /home partition and mount at boot via your /etc/fstab Mar 09 17:22:21 I I use beagleboneblack-save-emmc, but the BBB does not blink any led when I pushed the S2 (boot switch), any copy was done.. Mar 09 17:23:25 The problem is: when I connect my BBB, is not recognize, even as a mass storage. but there is a USR0 led blink continusly Mar 09 17:24:00 Drivers, drivers, drivers. Mar 09 17:24:25 either usb_gadget for linux or windoze beagle driver Mar 09 17:24:39 carlosfelipe1981: use a regular debian image. NOT a flasher image. Mar 09 17:24:52 Until yesterday I was working normally, but somethign crash, I have not any access, even from browser. Mar 09 17:26:50 I could be safe, if I use a debian image Debian from latest images of the site. ? Mar 09 17:27:52 with this king of booting, Do I keep the info inside the Emmc? Mar 09 17:28:12 as long as it does NOT say flasher... Mar 09 17:29:50 thank you, Mar 09 17:30:29 But what does the image debian booting from the uSD does on the Beagle ?? Mar 09 17:30:57 sorry my doubts I fairly new on this embebed system. Mar 09 17:31:21 then you can follow standard procedure for /any/ linux system Mar 09 17:31:55 e.g. mount or fsck the filesystem Mar 09 17:31:59 copy files, etc Mar 09 17:32:29 This could work bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img Once I can rebooting, of course I use the linux comands. Mar 09 17:32:48 yes, that looks like it should work Mar 09 17:33:58 I apprecite your help. why beagleboneblack-save-emmc does not work, is there a HW or SW problem. Mar 09 17:37:40 Is there a way to save first my files from Emmc, And After that change the kernel or system that boot from the emmc? Mar 09 17:48:07 https://rcn-ee.net/ is not responding Mar 09 17:48:30 yes, known problem Mar 09 17:48:32 cityLights, yeap it's dead... .... Mar 09 18:11:43 rcn-ee how to upgrade kernel then? Mar 09 18:18:06 hmm.. 4 reached rc3 Mar 09 18:22:18 i bought a used bbb it has ubuntu 12.04lts installe but there is no gui how do i get that up Mar 09 18:23:01 apt-get Mar 09 18:23:23 or flash a new OS onto the emmc Mar 09 18:31:57 ive tried flashing with sd card and not working how do i get into root when i done apt-get upgrade it say could not open lock file permission denied Mar 09 18:32:26 sudo ? Mar 09 18:33:11 generally you don't want to assume root as in ubuntu, but I'll leave that to your discretion Mar 09 18:33:22 sudo su will let yo u become root Mar 09 18:33:49 err as a user in ubuntu Mar 09 18:37:12 i done apt-get update and its downloading a bunch of stuff , i bought these two bbb for like 10 bucks a piece a student had them and forgot pw and stuff and thought they were bricked ive been wanting one but hope this works Mar 09 19:06:43 cityLights, it's back up.. ;) Mar 09 19:07:19 cityLights, the goal is to get everything (kernel upgrades/etc) just running on repos.rcn-ee.net as that's seperate.. Mar 09 19:46:33 good morning guys. Mar 09 19:50:04 I have being working on a project with BBB, for some reason, maybe it unplugged in a bad way, It doesn´t start or booting, in the screen showed something like ( omap_hsmmc mmc.5 of_parse_ohaldke_.. or bone-capemgr hid-generic) but not process the kernel. What I have to do about?? Mar 09 20:09:42 frankperl29: is there any final error message? Mar 09 20:13:02 if I shutdown in a bad way a BBB, what happen?, it does not boot again ?? Mar 09 20:15:24 you can screw the filesystem yes Mar 09 20:28:59 using the image-builder scripts, how does one specify a locally built kernel or does it have to be in a package manager somewhere? Mar 09 20:29:23 simply put need to change the nowayout on the watchdog :-/ but have to recompile the kernel to do so Mar 09 20:43:10 mwillbanks, it's still sorta in there, take your custom deb, stick somewhere in a directory like: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder/blob/master/configs/ros_hydro.conf#L36 Mar 09 20:45:21 but i'd take a patch for installing a local deb, just got to wire it up in scripts/chroot.sh, cp it to the chroot, and run sudo dpkg -i linux-image*.deb.... Mar 09 20:53:44 Hi, guys, If I boot from a uSD an image like bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb, do I lose my files on the /home directory inside the Emmc??, or I can give them back. Mar 09 20:54:02 uhm sunxi has to deal with musb too Mar 09 20:54:24 frankperl29, that'll run stanadlone, then just mount your eMMC and save what you need.. Mar 09 20:54:37 <_av500_> just dont run a flasher Mar 09 20:54:55 frankperl29, as long as the file name doesn't say "flasher" you'll be fine.. Mar 09 20:55:32 <_av500_> aynway, dont save valuable files on the emmc Mar 09 20:58:06 woglinde, maybe Hans' will find some latent shared bug in the process.. ;) Mar 09 21:07:06 Thanks a lot. I will do that. Mar 09 21:14:53 I can boot a img from the USB port, not from uSD ?? Mar 09 21:20:23 frankperl29, no... Mar 09 21:20:38 but with the 'newest' image, you can mount your eMMC via u-boot to your pc... Mar 09 21:20:44 (over usb) Mar 09 21:27:04 anyone use the case from logic supply? I wished it was bigger but I would say it would be at the very least usable for some things. Mar 09 21:48:03 is there a way to hook the execution of a certain command after the loading of a specific cape overlay done by capemanager? Mar 09 21:55:38 someone killed elinux.org :( *VANDALS... HOMEWRECKERS!!!* ;) Mar 09 22:06:16 oh, that might be due to a recent problem at OSUOSL Mar 09 22:20:45 tbr: ah, doesn't worry me that much. I realise it's all a big community effort. Just figured I should mention it here. Thanks for the ack, though :) Mar 09 22:43:55 so I try to build r8188eu from the git source Mar 09 22:44:22 did anyone manged to use wifi direct with the BBB? Mar 09 22:44:39 I need it to have miracast working Mar 09 22:44:49 why not use adhoc? Mar 09 22:46:10 eww Mar 09 22:46:14 hostapd :) Mar 09 22:46:36 talking to me/ Mar 09 22:46:37 ? Mar 09 22:46:42 cityLights .. might have to d/l the realtek drivers Mar 09 22:47:13 I started trying with ath9k_htc - it didnt work for me Mar 09 22:47:29 managed to build wpa_sup and connman fine Mar 09 22:48:59 veremit: did you get p2p wifi to work? Mar 09 22:49:35 i've only just managed to get basic association working with my 8192cu driver .. but it seems ok Mar 09 22:50:04 got this again: kernel: R8188EU: ERROR indicate disassoc Mar 09 22:53:58 is that one of the staging drivers still? Mar 09 22:54:17 ^^ cityLights Mar 09 22:54:45 R8188EU is from the staging Mar 09 22:54:52 *nods* Mar 09 22:55:04 I build my own from the source, looks better, no p2p Mar 09 22:55:44 no, once you try to enable p2p in connman, the wifi disappears Mar 09 22:56:12 and I see this Mar 09 22:56:13 kernel: R8188EU: ERROR indicate disassoc Mar 09 22:57:20 maybe you need to load the module with some oprions Mar 09 22:57:34 s/r/t Mar 09 22:59:34 I had to do some kernel bodgery to get my boss's laptop intel wifi to work -sigh- Mar 09 22:59:55 at least there is a fair bit online to refer ti Mar 09 22:59:59 to* Mar 09 23:00:30 since wifi seems to be a necessity these days Mar 09 23:47:28 "do not attach serial cable before the board is powered on" Mar 09 23:47:30 oops Mar 09 23:50:43 Congratulations on your new beagle doorstop :D Mar 09 23:50:47 just kiddin :D Mar 09 23:50:57 hehe Mar 09 23:57:36 yeah the beaglebone is pretty bad as a doorstop Mar 09 23:57:50 (jk I've never tried that) Mar 09 23:58:56 I had a beagle doorstop, but I sent it back for repair :) Mar 09 23:59:11 the RJ-45 gives it a nice slope Mar 09 23:59:21 lol @ ds2 Mar 10 00:00:05 what else is that huge chunk of metal good for on a fine embedded board Mar 10 00:00:42 uhm .. 100Mb of juicy data io ?? Mar 10 00:02:51 waste of space Mar 10 00:03:18 i have only been able to use it for mechanical support in my projects Mar 10 00:04:14 you don't need a beagle then .. get a pi :p Mar 10 00:04:24 lol Mar 10 00:04:43 if only the PI could do half the stuff I need it to do... Mar 10 00:04:45 excuse the swear word .. :D Mar 10 00:05:03 pi2 should be fine .. unless you want lots of quality IO and ofc the PRU's Mar 10 00:05:15 the PRU is essential Mar 10 00:05:19 in which case .. you want something else entirely lol Mar 10 00:05:49 ds2: what ya makin? Mar 10 00:06:06 wearable stuff Mar 10 00:06:55 like .. ? Mar 10 00:06:59 need video in and out Mar 10 00:07:08 a head mounted computer Mar 10 00:07:34 head-mounted? Mar 10 00:07:36 a useful rendition of it unlike the stuff tested by the explorers Mar 10 00:07:48 or exploiters depending on your PoV Mar 10 00:08:15 yeah... head mounted like the glass but useful Mar 10 00:10:55 https://www.engineeredarts.co.uk/robothespian/ .. my boss designed his 'head' pcb .. two iMX25 processor boards to run his eyes with tft phone panel 'eye' displays Mar 10 00:11:34 karo tx25 boards Mar 10 00:11:51 you'd be better getting a custom carrier board going Mar 10 00:12:20 iMX25? aren't those ARM9's? Mar 10 00:12:29 yup Mar 10 00:12:52 why did he need 2 of them? Mar 10 00:12:58 one for each side Mar 10 00:13:06 ie each eye display Mar 10 00:13:11 couldn't the iMX25 mux them? Mar 10 00:13:20 eh no you want them independent Mar 10 00:13:35 or it can't roll its eyes lol Mar 10 00:13:45 they would be 2 independant FB's Mar 10 00:13:48 driven by 1 chip Mar 10 00:14:01 possibly .. but I think the IO gets an issue Mar 10 00:14:01 with some basic logic, you can do the same on the BB* boards Mar 10 00:14:27 I dunno whether they got acceleration going with that Mar 10 00:14:47 were talkin about rendering the eyes properly without using static images lol Mar 10 00:14:59 oh other limitations Mar 10 00:15:00 its evolved a lot :) Mar 10 00:15:12 did the iMX2 series even have the PowerVR? Mar 10 00:16:01 I'm not sure Mar 10 00:16:14 this gives me ideas Mar 10 00:16:33 PRU's can drive displays... use the SGX to render to PRUmemory and... Mar 10 00:16:59 I know we looked at the tx51 module too .. iMX515 Mar 10 00:17:07 that has hardware accelertion Mar 10 00:17:26 that's compareable to the BB's Mar 10 00:17:36 arm8 Mar 10 00:18:24 arm8? Mar 10 00:18:40 yes Mar 10 00:18:41 didn't think there were any MMU equipped arm8's Mar 10 00:18:56 I'm guessing it might not have musb issues .. Mar 10 00:18:59 lol Mar 10 00:19:27 the new freescale imx6 has an mcu in it (m3 or m4 canna remember) Mar 10 00:19:45 oh you mean Cortex-A8 Mar 10 00:20:00 erm cortex-a8 :) Mar 10 00:20:17 bwarff .. it does, but its nearly useless Mar 10 00:20:19 there was an arm8 Mar 10 00:20:27 also armv8 ;) Mar 10 00:20:32 oh, nearly ? Mar 10 00:20:53 bwarff .. I think its got next to no memory .. and its mostly used for power management from what I've read Mar 10 00:21:04 the i.MX6 has a Cortex-A9 I thought Mar 10 00:21:13 IS a cortex-a9 Mar 10 00:21:32 its an a9 but the latest version has an mcu aswell Mar 10 00:21:35 wikipedia says there is a MMU on the arm8 Mar 10 00:21:56 oh haha we're arguing the differences between ARM* and ARMv* Mar 10 00:22:04 ARM was kind of foolish for that one Mar 10 00:22:05 but anyway .. I was thinking for low-profile for ds2 .. http://www.karo-electronics.com/tx-standard.html Mar 10 00:22:14 http://linuxgizmos.com/freescale-to-add-cortex-m4-to-imx6-for-automotive-soc/ Mar 10 00:22:14 ARMv* is the ISA and ARM* is the hardware revision, generally Mar 10 00:23:06 I implemented ARMv4T for the ARM7 once Mar 10 00:23:08 ...twice Mar 10 00:23:10 ...five times Mar 10 00:23:19 bwarff .. the sabre's are nasty expensive though .. I prefer my wifi dual-core wandboards :D Mar 10 00:24:00 or there's the quad imx6 with sata too :D Mar 10 00:24:11 I have one of those :D Mar 10 00:24:18 good boards Mar 10 00:24:23 CuBox-i4PRo Mar 10 00:24:24 veremit: it isn't so much as low profile as useless RJ45 Mar 10 00:24:26 *Pro Mar 10 00:24:35 but yea .. the am335x PRU cores are quite cool Mar 10 00:24:35 the udoo mob are doing a cheap breakout of that imx6 with the m4 in it Mar 10 00:24:45 veremit: I was able to use the RJ45 as a mount for a camera though ;) Mar 10 00:24:50 ill be sticking to the beagle i think Mar 10 00:24:53 my CuBox mostly just sits under the TV to run xbmc though Mar 10 00:24:56 ds2: cable mount?! nice ... Mar 10 00:25:02 stiiiiiill waiting for Arch to ship kodi Mar 10 00:25:21 veremit: cut off end of a CAT-5 and use the wires to tie the camera to it then click it into the RJ45 Mar 10 00:25:23 I'm lookin forward to my banana-pi :D Mar 10 00:25:32 oh good they finally shipped it Mar 10 00:25:39 ds2: sounds like something my company would do .. lol. Mar 10 00:27:30 veremit: that same board has about 80% of what is needed for a robot... going to lash it to a few servos and... Mar 10 00:29:34 :) Mar 10 00:31:19 I actually bought a stm32f103 breakout board for the Pi years ago .. haven't found a use for that or the pi or both .. yet . Mar 10 00:31:39 it quickly becomes a bit of a stack-up though Mar 10 00:31:47 when PI provides an open camera capture interface... Mar 10 00:32:03 there's A camera interface .. Mar 10 00:32:11 but i don't suspect its "open" Mar 10 00:32:13 locked up in 234809324123840938490328490238409328409312840932840928 documents Mar 10 00:32:24 use the PRU and instant camera interface Mar 10 00:32:38 what kinda camera? Mar 10 00:32:55 so many types .. using thermal imaging and HD at work :) Mar 10 00:33:10 with h264 encoding Mar 10 00:33:20 right now composite video as they offer a large physical form factor selection at low cost Mar 10 00:33:29 ah yes figures Mar 10 00:33:34 thermal can be connected via SPI so no need to burn the PRU for that Mar 10 00:33:59 no .. greyscale thermal is quite easy .. since its only 320x240 at 9fps :D Mar 10 00:34:12 Can be better. Mar 10 00:34:19 who are you getting the 320x240 module from? Mar 10 00:34:30 drs tamarisk Mar 10 00:34:41 aren't those $1K+ blocks? Mar 10 00:34:45 oh yes :) Mar 10 00:35:02 about $4/5 Mar 10 00:35:02 budget restrictions forces me to go with other thermal cameras Mar 10 00:35:14 sub $500 options Mar 10 00:36:12 I wonder how well do most algs work on thermal data Mar 10 00:36:39 the HD block is a Sony FCB-EV7100 Mar 10 00:37:19 what is the application that makse HD needed? Mar 10 00:37:29 i am finding the lens to be a bigger factor then pixels Mar 10 00:37:31 broadcast media Mar 10 00:37:43 oh Mar 10 00:38:05 i am feeding the data into algs and many of them decimate it to lower rez Mar 10 00:38:26 squidging it down a davinci arm9 core to a single cat5 PoE cable :) Mar 10 00:38:59 is this on a robot or? Mar 10 00:39:05 noo marine cameras Mar 10 00:39:11 racing yachts Mar 10 00:39:41 moved on from robots :) Mar 10 00:39:52 veremit: SailBOT/WRSC? Mar 10 00:40:00 Oh. :-( Mar 10 00:40:09 racing as in stuff like the america's cup? Mar 10 00:40:17 sorta Mar 10 00:40:42 got a few out on the barcelona round-the-world race Mar 10 00:41:28 what are they using the thermal data for? Mar 10 00:41:43 thermal ones are for another client chiefly in boat security and monitoring Mar 10 00:41:46 afaik Mar 10 00:41:46 Seeing other boats. Mar 10 00:41:54 and fish/objects in the water/etc Mar 10 00:42:11 man-overboard lol Mar 10 00:42:12 eh? water is not transparent Mar 10 00:42:20 (for FIR) Mar 10 00:42:51 No, but boats and people stand out nicely against it. Mar 10 00:42:51 not entirely .. but I don't select the application :) Mar 10 00:43:50 sounds fun Mar 10 00:44:27 pretty crazy stuff .. pity our sdk is a **** Mar 10 00:44:36 but you gotta start somewhere lol Mar 10 00:44:59 and don't mention 'onvif' lol Mar 10 00:45:30 glad I'm moving away from the software side whilst my bud works on that lol Mar 10 00:45:54 next stage is some pan/tilt/rotate ... Mar 10 00:46:10 so back to servos once again :) Mar 10 00:49:19 lag Mar 10 01:09:00 ok sleeptyme .. 'nite all I-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 10 02:59:58 2015