**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 22 02:59:58 2015
May 22 04:21:55 <palani> hi....Without socket program, have any possible to transfer text files in BBB?
May 22 05:35:44 <_rifoRim> hello, has anybody managed to get gpsd working on boot time
May 22 05:36:15 <_rifoRim> I have configured it to start at boot time via   dpkg-reconfigure gpsd
May 22 05:36:41 <_rifoRim> but it doesn't work, manual start is successfull though
May 22 05:38:10 <tbr> look at the logs
May 22 10:28:43 <hvn52> hi, does anyone know if OpenCV2 is available for beagle classic running Ubuntu 14.04 ? I know OpenCV is available, but it misses some needed features.
May 22 13:46:31 <mistawright> hi guys i have a question I noticed that my beaglebone black was not booting from the microsd card as it normally does. I then ssh'ed into it and noticed i was getting an error 110 when i would insert the card. what does that mean? Is my micrsod port broken?
May 22 13:49:15 <Carlos___> hi everyone... i m from Argentina, can anybody help me how to load into my sd card an image of angstrom for chipsee? sorry for my english
May 22 13:49:16 <julemand101> mistawright: how can you ssh into you beaglebone if it does not boot?
May 22 13:50:49 <mistawright> julemand101, it boots into the emmc
May 22 13:51:11 <mistawright> its not booting from the microsd card. And the card is fine as well
May 22 13:51:25 <julemand101> where do you find the error message?
May 22 13:53:14 <mistawright> in dmesg
May 22 13:53:27 <julemand101> can you post it on e.g. pastebin?
May 22 13:53:36 <julemand101> the full dmesg
May 22 13:54:10 <julemand101> or just post the error in full if this is diffecult for you :)
May 22 14:02:18 <mistawright> didnt bring the board with me to work today. I'll probably end up leaving early for the labor day weekend if that is the case I will hop back on and share a link if your still on
May 22 14:02:41 <mistawright> going to try an emmc flashing image on another microsd card i have available to see if it acts any differently
May 22 14:05:30 <Carlos___> anyone knows where can i download an image of linux that works with chipsee??
May 22 14:14:22 <N3HQW> What is everyone running on the Beagle? I am looking to start playing with one looking at Puppy Linux.
May 22 14:14:51 <Carlos___> anyone knows where can i download an image of linux that works with chipsee??
May 22 16:07:09 <_av500_> ask chipsee maybe?
May 22 19:37:59 <citylight2> here
May 22 19:46:23 <citylight2> rcn-ee: hi there, I got some feedback from tbr, regarding my program cwvw
May 22 19:46:34 <citylight2> by the way , is there a better name for it?
May 22 19:47:14 <citylight2> how should I act to change the config files like connman config?
May 22 20:15:49 <Lenovo> Does anyone know if there are restrictions for using beaglebone black on a commercial level? Adding on additional hardware and my own software?
May 22 20:28:20 <_av500_> no
May 23 02:16:25 <zumba_addict> hi folks, I'm deciding  between beaglebone black and rpi2
May 23 02:18:10 <zumba_addict> i would like to know if I will be able to run NodeJS then send a string to my serial device via a usb to serial cable
May 23 02:22:08 <zmatt> zumba_addict: ehm sure (though if the serial device accepts 3.3V levels it would make more sense to use one of the BeagleBone's built-in serial ports)
May 23 02:23:04 <zumba_addict> zmatt: so bbb has a serial port like a db-9 port?
May 23 02:23:49 <zumba_addict> the reason I said usb to serial is because i only have a usb-to-serial cable. My OSX laptop doesn't have a db-9 serial port
May 23 02:25:59 <zmatt> it has 7 serial ports, although one is reserved as console port and I'm not sure the remaining six are all available via the expansion headers
May 23 02:26:15 <zmatt> but they're all 3.3V, not the insane voltage levels required for RS-232
May 23 02:26:29 <zmatt> and no physical DE-9 connector
May 23 02:26:47 <zmatt> so if your device really needs RS-232, an usb-to-serial converter may still be the simplest solution
May 23 02:26:58 <zumba_addict> oh, how will I be able to send commands from bbb to my rs-232 device? It
May 23 02:27:03 <zumba_addict> It's ELK M1 device
May 23 02:27:09 <zumba_addict> ah cool
May 23 02:27:11 <zumba_addict> :D
May 23 02:27:22 <veremit> or a cape
May 23 02:27:31 <zumba_addict> and linux should be able to provide the /dev/device right?
May 23 02:27:37 <zumba_addict> cape?
May 23 02:27:58 <zmatt> zumba_addict: assuming the usb-to-serial adapter is supported, it will appear automagically yes
May 23 02:27:58 <veremit> ./dev/ttyUSBx
May 23 02:27:59 <zumba_addict> like in my osx, when I connect elk m1 to it, it creates /dev/tty.usbserial
May 23 02:28:05 <zumba_addict> cool
May 23 02:28:10 <zmatt> /dev/ttyUSB0  or such
May 23 02:28:33 <zumba_addict> where will i check to find out if usb-to-serial is supported in bbb?
May 23 02:28:53 <zumba_addict> oh the cable
May 23 02:29:01 <veremit> usb-serial drivers are usually compiled in the kernels I've seen
May 23 02:29:23 <zmatt> usually they Just Work™
May 23 02:29:36 <zumba_addict> this is what I bought - http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-1-3-usb-to-rs-232-db9-pda-serial-adapter-cable-black/5883029.p?id=1219169460100&skuId=5883029
May 23 02:29:43 <zumba_addict> cool
May 23 02:30:04 <zumba_addict> and linux has always been good on hardwares
May 23 02:30:10 <zmatt> (for the record, when people say "DB-9" they mean "DE-9" .. no actual "DB-9" connector exists)
May 23 02:30:12 <zumba_addict> when I buy bbb, will it have a linux?
May 23 02:30:33 <zumba_addict> ok, i've been using db-9 for my entire it life :D
May 23 02:30:40 <zumba_addict> even db25
May 23 02:30:44 <zmatt> DB-25 is correct
May 23 02:30:47 <veremit> zmatt .. dunno where 'db' came from ..
May 23 02:30:50 <zmatt> but "DB" refers to the shell outline
May 23 02:30:58 <veremit> but its in wide (mis)use
May 23 02:31:01 <zmatt> so "DB-9" would be the same size as DB-25, but with only 9 pins
May 23 02:31:04 <zumba_addict> sometimes, i just say 9pin serial port
May 23 02:31:17 <zmatt> DE is the much smaller shell actually used
May 23 02:31:19 <zumba_addict> glad to learn about it :)
May 23 02:31:28 <veremit> so what about 15w
May 23 02:31:29 <zumba_addict> good info ;)
May 23 02:31:40 <zmatt> same shell as VGA, which is DE-15
May 23 02:31:50 <zumba_addict> k
May 23 02:31:51 <veremit> and regular density .. not high?
May 23 02:31:53 <zumba_addict> 3 rows though
May 23 02:32:01 <zumba_addict> de-9, 2 rows
May 23 02:32:35 <zmatt> yeah, the placement of the pins is apparently implicit from the combination of shell and number of pins
May 23 02:32:55 <zmatt> the "DE" is purely the outline, regardless of the pins
May 23 02:33:12 <zumba_addict> btw, when I buy the basic bbb, will I be able to use it?
May 23 02:33:22 <veremit> zmatt .. we still don't have the non-VGA 15-way d-type out yet?
May 23 02:33:31 <zmatt> veremit: ?
May 23 02:33:40 <veremit> clearl you haven't seen one :)
May 23 02:33:52 <veremit> its neither a 9way shell nor a 25way shell
May 23 02:34:00 <veremit> but its a D-type
May 23 02:34:02 <zmatt> (see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature )
May 23 02:34:04 <veremit> and it has 15 pins
May 23 02:34:21 <zmatt> DA-15 maybe ?
May 23 02:35:03 <veremit> assumed you'd know bein a D-type expert :)
May 23 02:35:12 <zmatt> not really an expert
May 23 02:35:39 <zmatt> just someone who likes to nitpick sometimes ;)
May 23 02:35:45 <veremit> zumba_addict .. BBB comes preinstalled ready-to-go out the box
May 23 02:35:56 <veremit> complete with NodeJS lately
May 23 02:36:20 <zmatt> I'd also like to see the face of someone who orders RJ-45 plugs and actually received what he ordered
May 23 02:36:48 <zmatt> (they do not fit in a standard 8P8C modular socket as used by Ethernet)
May 23 02:37:15 <veremit> there's a lot of miss-selling going on then ..
May 23 02:37:43 <veremit> all the rj45 leads I've bought fit in ethernet sockets perfectly :)
May 23 02:37:53 <veremit> unless you have unusual ethernet
May 23 02:38:00 <zumba_addict> thanks for the info veremit :)
May 23 02:38:00 <zmatt> here's an actual RJ-45 => http://www.l-com.com/product_images/detail/ced_mod_rj45_8x8k-m.jpg
May 23 02:38:10 <zmatt> it has a key notch on the side
May 23 02:38:16 <zumba_addict> I saw my $30 amazon gift card. I might buy bbb tonight :D
May 23 02:38:46 <zumba_addict> an rj-11 connector will also fit perfectly on an rj-45 receptable :)
May 23 02:39:15 <zmatt> veremit: corresponding socket => http://www.homecontrols.com/OQWP3458WH_full.jpg
May 23 02:39:16 <zumba_addict> what is the distro used on a bbb?
May 23 02:39:23 <zmatt> zumba_addict: debian
May 23 02:39:29 <zumba_addict> oh, awesome!
May 23 02:39:42 <zumba_addict> i can specify a static ip address right?
May 23 02:39:50 <veremit> rj11 doesn't function wrll in a rj45(sic) socket....
May 23 02:39:57 <veremit> zumba_addict .. its linux.
May 23 02:40:04 <zumba_addict> doesn't function?
May 23 02:40:12 <zumba_addict> it will work
May 23 02:40:28 <veremit> well*
May 23 02:40:41 <zumba_addict> you will see at offices that there are 2 rj45 receptables, one for lan and other is for voice
May 23 02:40:46 <zumba_addict> old offices
May 23 02:40:58 <zumba_addict> new installations are all ip based
May 23 02:41:01 <zmatt> structured wiring is quite common
May 23 02:41:05 <zumba_addict> yup
May 23 02:41:27 <zumba_addict> i will really buy bbb tonight :D
May 23 02:41:47 <zmatt> but you should obviously then use 8P modular plugs, not 6P
May 23 02:41:57 <zumba_addict> i felt bad when a friend of mine told me that's it;s time for my skills to notch it up a bit
May 23 02:42:15 <zumba_addict> yup
May 23 02:42:23 <zumba_addict> anyways, let me complete my story
May 23 02:42:43 <zmatt> an "RJ" (Registered Jack) btw is actually a socket (aka jack) with assigned purposes for the wires
May 23 02:42:43 <zumba_addict> i built a camera slider and a controller from scratch, all my soldering using arduino
May 23 02:42:47 <zmatt> all of them are telecom
May 23 02:42:54 <zumba_addict> got it
May 23 02:43:14 <zumba_addict> starting to forget the terms. I worked for Alcatel before
May 23 02:43:21 <zumba_addict> 15 years ago
May 23 02:44:05 <zmatt> I do wonder how people managed to start using "RJ-45" when they mean 8P8C
May 23 02:44:22 <zumba_addict> never encountered 8P8c
May 23 02:44:34 <veremit> zmatt .. looks like rj45 refers to IEC 60603-7 which does in fact describe the common 8p8c .. whereas the rj45s is the keyed version
May 23 02:44:48 <ds2> ethernet does use an odd ball wiring as far as telco is concerned
May 23 02:45:05 <veremit> I note also that rj45s has become obsolete ..
May 23 02:45:20 <veremit> ds2 .. and its fun there's two (at least) variants
May 23 02:45:27 <zmatt> ds2: telco would pair 1+8 and 2+7 I'd guess
May 23 02:45:43 <zmatt> not great for signal integrity though
May 23 02:46:00 <zumba_addict> i forgot and wasn't sure if i got an answer to my question earlier
May 23 02:46:05 <ds2> it isn't like a T1 is that fast
May 23 02:46:14 <zumba_addict> if I buy the basic bbb, will I be able to use it?
May 23 02:46:24 <zumba_addict> do I need to have an hdmi monitor?
May 23 02:46:28 <veremit> zumba_addict .. what use .. ah nvm.
May 23 02:47:08 <zumba_addict> i'll read this now :) https://www.akirisolutions.com/support/wiki/index.php/BeagleBoneBlack_use
May 23 02:47:30 <zumba_addict> i think i have a micro hdmi cable
May 23 02:47:40 <zmatt> veremit: I see no reason to think that IEC 60603-7 is related in any way to RJ45
May 23 02:48:04 <veremit> zmatt : I suggest that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack#RJ45 is wrong ?
May 23 02:48:59 <zmatt> veremit: that refers to the casual use that the term "RJ45" has acquired
May 23 02:49:14 <zmatt> as it says earlier under Unofficial plug names:  "RJ45: 8P8C, informal designation for T568A/T568B, including Ethernet; not the same as the true RJ45/RJ45S"
May 23 02:49:20 <veremit> I'd argue that is "widely used and accepted"
May 23 02:49:21 <zumba_addict> ah, I don't need a monitor. I just need to make sure I'll receive a good bbb. I will be able to ssh to it. I'll run an nmap to it :D
May 23 02:50:06 <zumba_addict> oh wow, I love the last solution listed there. Just like my cisco router days :D
May 23 02:51:19 <zmatt> veremit: I do not disagree with you, all I said was that I'd love to see the face of someone who actually received a keyed 8P8C connector ;)  given that it's a formal standard that predates the casual misuse, it's not like you could complain about getting what you asked for ;)
May 23 02:51:45 <veremit> zmatt .. you find me a supplier of the keyed connector .. I'll send you a pic of my face :)
May 23 02:52:00 <zumba_addict> oh another question, when I buy the basic bbb, does it come with the 5v power supply?
May 23 02:52:06 <zmatt> veremit: lol
May 23 02:52:19 <veremit> zumba_addict .. ther eis ONE BBB .. only ONE BBB it works .. just buy it and get on with it.
May 23 02:52:43 <zumba_addict> ok. will it come with a 5v ps?
May 23 02:52:48 <zmatt> nope
May 23 02:52:50 <veremit> get a good 5v 2A psu and a serial debug cable and a micro-SD card .. and you'll be fine.
May 23 02:53:01 <zmatt> why the uSD card?
May 23 02:53:03 * zmatt never used one
May 23 02:53:10 <veremit> you can get starter kits if you need
May 23 02:53:19 <zumba_addict> do I need serial debug cable if I can use ethernet
May 23 02:53:22 <veremit> zmatt .. I assume you never changed the board firmware :p
May 23 02:53:35 <zmatt> veremit: I've always reflashed them via usb
May 23 02:53:40 <veremit> ewww figures
May 23 02:53:46 <zmatt> veremit: less hassle
May 23 02:53:51 <veremit> I've NEVER used the usb :) ever!
May 23 02:54:13 <zumba_addict> so I won't be able to power it on via a usb connection?
May 23 02:54:25 <zmatt> veremit: well I did omit USB from my kernel, but still flashing it via usb is more convenient than via an uSD flasher
May 23 02:54:59 <veremit> well since I've built kernels and uSD cards for other systems .. the beagle really is no different :)
May 23 02:55:18 <zmatt> veremit: I already have netbooting (bootp + tftp) working for my baremetal tests... I should probably find a moment to check how to use that for reflashing also
May 23 02:55:19 <veremit> specifically ones with no onboard storage
May 23 02:55:20 <zumba_addict> same command, make menuconfig, make kernel, etc.....
May 23 02:55:39 <veremit> ie no built-in uboot or usb
May 23 02:55:58 <veremit> I don't fancy working out serial booting >,<
May 23 02:56:04 <zmatt> ehh
May 23 02:56:06 <zumba_addict> folks, my question got buried. Can we power on bbb thru a usb connection?
May 23 02:56:11 <zmatt> BBBlfs doesn't require u-boot on-board
May 23 02:56:18 <zmatt> it uses the USB booting functionality that's in ROM
May 23 02:56:19 <veremit> zumba_addict .. I suggest you look at the beagle web docs
May 23 02:56:25 <zumba_addict> k
May 23 02:56:39 <veremit> zmatt .. does that apply to all arm cores?
May 23 02:56:39 <zmatt> (which is the same as netbooting actually, except via RNDIS)
May 23 02:56:42 <zmatt> no
May 23 02:56:43 <zmatt> am335x
May 23 02:56:46 <zumba_addict> this is the site right? http://beagleboard.org/bone
May 23 02:56:47 <veremit> thought not
May 23 02:56:47 <zmatt> and relatives
May 23 02:57:00 <zmatt> no booting strategy applies to "all arm cores"
May 23 02:57:07 <veremit> indeed not
May 23 02:57:35 <zmatt> zumba_addict: no
May 23 02:57:45 <zmatt> zumba_addict: that's the old beaglebone white
May 23 02:57:50 <zumba_addict> oh
May 23 02:57:51 <zmatt> you can tell by the fact it's.. white
May 23 02:57:54 <zmatt> http://beagleboard.org/black
May 23 02:58:00 <zumba_addict> thanks,
May 23 02:58:26 <zmatt> you can recognize the beaglebone black by it being (tada!) black!
May 23 02:58:29 <zmatt> ;)
May 23 02:58:51 <zmatt> (if it's pink instead, back away slowly)
May 23 02:59:24 <veremit> or green
May 23 02:59:38 <zmatt> there's some company making a beaglebone green
May 23 02:59:38 <zumba_addict> ah, it's possible to turn it on using usb connection :D However, is the power enough to use the ethernet port?
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