**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 26 03:00:43 2015 Nov 26 03:04:02 or above Nov 26 03:04:21 LOL, in the DBus specification, the description of one of the methods: Nov 26 03:04:29 "Returns auditing data used by Solaris ADT, in an unspecified binary format. If you know what this means, please contribute documentation via the D-Bus bug tracking system." Nov 26 03:05:15 zmatt, haha Nov 26 03:05:45 also, dbus has seriously the most insane quoting rules ever Nov 26 03:05:47 zmatt . and that is why they didn't allow kdbus to kernel mainline :D Nov 26 03:06:04 weox: well this crap wouldn't be in kernel I presume Nov 26 03:06:27 zmatt: I would say this crap wouldn't be in userspace either :D Nov 26 03:06:36 dbus is very much downstream of kernel Nov 26 03:07:00 but the sad fact we live in . stt_michael yeah , but they tried badly to push it to mainline tough. Nov 26 03:07:08 I don't have an opinion ready yet really Nov 26 03:08:07 dbus does not look particularly nice, but it's very widely used, has some appealing characteristics, I don't know a better alternative, and good arguments were made for kernelling it Nov 26 03:08:11 but we'll see how it pans out Nov 26 03:08:52 surely you don't need dbus with systemd'oitall Nov 26 03:10:54 systemd recommends, but does not depend on dbus Nov 26 03:11:08 heh as I would expect :) Nov 26 03:11:16 but you often enough end up with dbus anyway Nov 26 03:11:25 indeed, many things need it .. Nov 26 03:11:25 especially if you install anything gui-ish whatsoever Nov 26 03:11:28 zmatt: they did had plan to depened , I think. Nov 26 03:11:36 weox: makes sense to me Nov 26 03:12:07 I like the concept of a widely used structured IPC format... I just wish dbus was a bit... nicer Nov 26 03:12:21 zmatt: they planned on kdbus implementation , but last time i checked they postponed the whole dependency thing . until next kdbus proposition to mainlin Nov 26 03:12:21 then again, what's the competition... Nov 26 03:12:32 weox: that also makes sense to me Nov 26 03:12:58 but I think they already had the whole gnome stack running on kdbus a while back already? Nov 26 03:13:08 zmatt: exactly , me to , widely used IPC could have so much benefit . but nicer than this shithole Nov 26 03:13:39 zmatt: they did, and even fedora used kdbus patch on their kernel for awhile , but after hot debate in lkml Nov 26 03:13:50 zmatt: Did you and that other fellow get the issue figured out last night? Nov 26 03:13:53 I know there's been more than one depate Nov 26 03:13:57 *debate Nov 26 03:14:01 and disapproval of kdbus . they realize this kdbus is not going anyware . for now they postponed. Nov 26 03:14:47 Such nice and friendly channel. I will be here allway from now Nov 26 03:14:55 weox: you sure about that? Nov 26 03:16:06 zmatt: kdbus gnome systemd ? almost . I don't read mailing lists recently . but that was their last position I remember . and kdbus is going under whole rewrite ( I think , I am not sure) . after that they will propose ti again. Nov 26 03:20:55 a bit vague, it was merged 2015-09-12 into linux-next Nov 26 03:21:01 but I don't see it there Nov 26 03:25:37 weird, it got a minor build conflict that was immediately resolved with a 3-line patch but it seems it got dropped anyway Nov 26 03:26:41 (it = the tree) .. though the guy mentions "I am currently merging 226 trees" so I'm guessing he may have a low tolerance for any build issues whatsoever Nov 26 03:27:02 http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1504.1/index.html#03936 Nov 26 03:27:25 uavcam: that's quite a bit older though Nov 26 03:30:08 hmm, looks like some valid concerns are still open, along with disagreement about the validity of those concerns Nov 26 03:30:51 zmatt! Nov 26 03:31:01 Did you ever help Mountain from last night? Nov 26 03:31:11 Set_: no idea where that standed Nov 26 03:31:21 I gave a bunch of suggestions to try Nov 26 03:31:24 *stranded Nov 26 03:31:47 Oh...I found some sharing tools for PCB and schematics. Nov 26 03:31:56 I thought I could find him here today. Nov 26 03:32:12 Oh well... Nov 26 03:32:18 uavcam: the vagueness surrounding it all is annoying as hell Nov 26 03:33:35 uavcam: I think I might just give it a try for fun when I find a moment, see whether it has any noticable impact (good or bad) Nov 26 03:36:11 Hey zmatt: Have you ever had to check the distance in between some through-holes on your boards? Nov 26 03:36:24 ? Nov 26 03:36:52 Serious...the guy at Element14 asked me to measure the distance from one through-hole to the next. Nov 26 03:37:03 That machinery costs an arm and a leg. Nov 26 03:37:11 I don't do pcb design, never have Nov 26 03:37:18 Okay. Nov 26 03:37:40 I am looking to get a connection. Nov 26 03:37:50 * zmatt sticks a wire into Set_ Nov 26 03:38:03 Damn! Nov 26 03:38:12 Zoinks! Nov 26 03:38:51 I am going to have to track down who has a through-hole tester. Nov 26 03:39:01 Hopefully, Grainger has one. Nov 26 03:40:09 There are no major distributors in my town for electronics. So, I am really stuck right now. Nov 26 03:40:40 what do you want to test? Nov 26 03:40:49 the distance beween two holes? Nov 26 03:40:56 The distance. Yes. Nov 26 03:41:22 why??! Nov 26 03:41:54 Because...I need a board to wire connection. Nov 26 03:42:21 And then, I will use that wire part to connect to another set of wires that end in a USB so I can connect to my computer. Nov 26 03:42:38 I have a board and some opensource software that I want to try. Nov 26 03:43:07 is it a opensource board? Nov 26 03:43:10 Yes. Nov 26 03:43:11 or closed design? Nov 26 03:43:23 Opensource. Nov 26 03:43:38 Oh...the board? Nov 26 03:43:39 get the pcb design files they should give you everything you need Nov 26 03:43:54 The company does not supply the design files. Nov 26 03:44:12 you have a picture of the thing? Nov 26 03:44:15 I have 12 through-holes to use to attach to a board to wire connection. Nov 26 03:44:16 Yea. Nov 26 03:44:26 I have a picture. Nov 26 03:44:57 I have one picture with the whole thing and then one close up of the 12 through-holes. Nov 26 03:45:11 more than likely its a standard pitch Nov 26 03:45:19 right. Nov 26 03:45:44 although 'standard' is a dodgy term at the best of times... Nov 26 03:50:51 Set_, .. do we get to see it? Nov 26 03:52:40 Yes...please hold. Nov 26 03:54:17 http://postimg.org/image/9tuxct1ml/d2e40b90/ Nov 26 03:54:56 <<<< on break for now (stress) Nov 26 04:02:08 hmm, so assuming C40 is an 0805 package and the adjacent R39 was 0603 .. if thats a reasonable pitch IC adjacent ... Nov 26 04:04:05 not 0.1" which woulda been my first guess Nov 26 04:04:23 or could it .. perspective is all wrong :/ Nov 26 04:04:51 i think its 0.1" Nov 26 04:04:58 I do not know. Nov 26 04:08:11 stt_michael: btw, http://pastebin.com/AjxbYB55 Nov 26 04:08:49 Set_, I suggest you try some 0.1" headers .. they're widely available .. see if they're too big or too small Nov 26 04:09:01 Okay... Nov 26 04:09:51 zmatt, what *is that* ?! Nov 26 04:10:05 ^_^ Nov 26 04:10:18 I was feeling creative Nov 26 04:13:30 stt_michael: http://pastebin.com/ygyHWxEz Nov 26 04:14:08 ?!? on earth.. Nov 26 04:15:07 most of the system runs onder qemu-user (some vague branch I found somewhere, with a few small patches of my own) Nov 26 04:16:31 but it doesn't support netlink, which is kind of an obstacle, so I used some readonly bind mounts overmounting a few critical executables to run those native Nov 26 04:17:13 so what does it *do* Nov 26 04:17:26 boot a beaglebone image Nov 26 04:17:42 allowing prepwork to be done without actually flashing it Nov 26 04:17:55 aha .. a virtual beagle Nov 26 04:18:04 of sorts Nov 26 04:18:20 it's funny how easily you can mix armhf and native executables in the same container Nov 26 04:18:40 I mean, look at that uname -a... Nov 26 04:18:41 Linux beaglebone 4.3-0.dmz.2-liquorix-amd64 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Debian 4.3-2 (2015-11-17) armv7l Nov 26 04:18:44 XD Nov 26 04:18:54 amd64 ... armv7l ... right Nov 26 04:19:05 nothing cross-compiling shouldn't handle :p Nov 26 04:19:27 stt_michael: cross-compiling what? Nov 26 04:19:35 kernel Nov 26 04:19:40 ?? Nov 26 04:19:44 if you build .. Nov 26 04:19:47 *goes to look* Nov 26 04:19:47 this is a container Nov 26 04:19:48 not a VM Nov 26 04:20:08 the kernel is just my laptop's x86_64 kernel Nov 26 04:20:24 eh whatever :p Nov 26 04:20:45 I will admit that *booting* it isn't really quite as useful as merely being able to enter it Nov 26 04:21:04 (and install packages and such) Nov 26 04:21:09 but it's funny that it works Nov 26 04:22:12 you're just missing some, you know, actual hardware Nov 26 04:22:14 but details Nov 26 04:22:49 I still think it's a neat hack :) Nov 26 04:23:16 it's FAST too Nov 26 04:41:29 sometimes Nov 26 05:05:11 o,o Nov 26 06:55:14 Who uses alsamixer and aplay on their BBB to play .wav files? Nov 26 06:58:22 Here is the issue. If I play a .wav file, it plays in 8-bits instead of 16-bits. Nov 26 07:09:35 yikes .. through what device? Nov 26 07:16:26 BBB Nov 26 07:16:34 It gets hot too. Nov 26 07:17:17 It is weird. It plays constantly and does not shut down. Nov 26 07:17:34 The speakers...that is what gets hot. Weird, heh? Nov 26 07:18:37 Oh...the BBB and a USB sound adapter. Nov 26 07:19:38 I have this usb sound adapter with a set of earphones and a mic plugged in it. Nov 26 07:36:16 Hello all Nov 26 07:38:31 Can anyone help? Nov 26 07:38:47 My BeagleBone is suddenly not connecting Nov 26 07:39:11 when I plug it in as I always do Nov 26 07:41:30 When I plug in my BeagleBone Black to my computer via USB, it does not connect as it always does. I haven't done anything new, so I am unsure as to why :/ Nov 26 09:06:57 Hi! Is there any kernel tree >= 4.1 with PM support? I mean using am335x-pm-firmware.bin Nov 26 09:31:22 Hello... Nov 26 09:31:28 Is anyone still up? Nov 26 09:32:02 You mean already up? :-) Nov 26 09:32:11 Yep...that too! Nov 26 09:32:28 I think this place is getting an aweful bot now. Nov 26 09:32:40 I got disconnected earlier. Nov 26 09:32:50 It is in overload or something. Nov 26 09:33:21 Anyway...I hope people stop. Nov 26 09:33:30 I have real BBB concerns. Nov 26 09:34:01 Aw! Nov 26 09:34:37 The servers can only handle so many clients. Nov 26 09:35:18 I just went to digiKey and this is happening too. Nov 26 09:36:40 People are botting the TechXchange. Nov 26 09:38:24 Anyway, I just got alsamixer for my BBB up and running again but with only 8-bit sound. So... Nov 26 09:38:39 I think it is an adapter issue. Nov 26 09:38:53 My usb sound adapter is probably the issue. Nov 26 09:39:09 It is a cheap-o, depot adapter. Nov 26 09:39:24 Does anyone know of which adapters would be good for the BBB for sound? Nov 26 09:39:58 USB or micro HDMI? Nov 26 09:40:51 This is what I need. I need an input for one speaker or headphones and an input for a mic. Nov 26 09:42:16 I've been going in circles on the Wiki attempting to find the latest image for my Beaglebone Black. Last I remember, Angstrom was default on the board, but the newest image provided is from 2013. Has it been updated since? Can I run this, or is it considered obsolete? Nov 26 09:42:48 Use the Debian image. Nov 26 09:43:17 They have a newer Debian image (11/2015). It is the Jessie image of Debian. Nov 26 09:44:09 Alright. This particular board is running Jessie. I assume I'll need to install Cloud9 manually then? Nov 26 09:45:05 No... Nov 26 09:45:52 You can use c9.io or go to the search bar in your Chrome browser and type in the IP address to your board. Nov 26 09:45:57 Plus...3000. Nov 26 09:46:18 So, it would be 192.168.7.2:3000 Nov 26 09:46:59 I just saw what you were describing. Nov 26 09:47:09 Xenoth: the full images should have cloud9 AFAIU Nov 26 09:47:15 It shows the 2013 date instead of our newer image. Nov 26 09:47:18 Oh... Nov 26 09:48:28 tbr: If you go to the Wiki, it shows an update from 2013. Nov 26 09:48:38 Did someone mess with it? Nov 26 09:48:46 Set_: URL? Nov 26 09:48:54 Oh...hold on. Nov 26 09:48:58 I will get it. Nov 26 09:49:07 my magic crystal ball is out for repair again Nov 26 09:49:11 it keeps acting up Nov 26 09:50:32 I'm going to fresh load from beagleboard.org/latest-images (Debian 8.2) and see if I can access Cloud9 then. Nov 26 09:50:38 Oh...I changed pages. Hold please. I have to go back to beagleboard.org to find the link. Nov 26 09:51:11 http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Updating_The_Software ? Nov 26 09:51:13 http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:Updating_The_Software Nov 26 09:51:24 Is that the wrong site? Nov 26 09:52:57 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian Nov 26 09:53:04 I think this is the right one! Nov 26 09:53:33 Hey Xenoth, use http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian to update your board. Nov 26 09:54:42 I think someone has changed those pages recently... Nov 26 09:54:44 ... Nov 26 09:54:47 Ut oh! Nov 26 09:55:21 tbr: Did you see what I was talking about? Nov 26 09:55:53 Set_: Going to follow that now. Time to see just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Nov 26 09:56:12 Beagleboard != Beaglebone Nov 26 09:56:44 tbr: There's a section on eMMC flashing Beaglebone Blacks in there. Nov 26 09:57:47 Not beaglebone. Got it. Nov 26 10:19:26 New image flashed, booting it up on USB to see how it acts. Nov 26 10:20:39 OK, I can ssh into it just fine, but connecting to it on port 80 just shows an empty dir, instead of the welcome screen. Nov 26 10:21:47 (Also, connecting on port 3000 refuses a connection) Nov 26 10:26:50 Hello. Nov 26 10:27:11 Okay...how are you connected? Nov 26 10:27:20 USB and Ethernet? Nov 26 10:28:57 USB only at the moment. Nov 26 10:29:23 Man...if you get ethernet plugged in, you can use your PuTTY, c9, and/or other online stuff. Nov 26 10:31:21 You do not need a screen for the BBB. You can use just Ethernet and the USB to computer to SSH in via Windows or Linux or Apple oS (whatever they do for an OS). Nov 26 10:34:27 I was using the ethernet-over-USB bridge, but I'll connect it to my LAN for more attempts Nov 26 10:35:01 Yea man. I connect via USB from computer to the BBB and I use Ethernet. Nov 26 10:35:22 It works perferctly for programming in PuTTY and on the c9 platform. Nov 26 10:35:30 Alright. Cloud9 still doesn't seem to be running, however. Wonder if I'm using the wrong image. Nov 26 10:35:39 It is not the image. Nov 26 10:35:59 So, did you type in 192.168.7.2:3000? Nov 26 10:36:13 Yep, Firefox reports "Connection refused" Nov 26 10:36:26 Boo...try Chrome please. Nov 26 10:36:43 Webpage not available. Nov 26 10:36:47 Damn. Nov 26 10:36:59 Did you see what image you are currently carrying? Nov 26 10:37:26 I think you have to type something into your client to find out. Have you used PuTTY before? Nov 26 10:37:39 Yes, I've used PuTTY (And SSH, too) Nov 26 10:38:19 Okay. Try PuTTY to see if it is able to get you signed in. Nov 26 10:38:44 Yep. I can connect to it just fine. Nov 26 10:38:50 Hmmm. Nov 26 10:38:58 Can you update and upgrade? Nov 26 10:39:21 Processing. Nov 26 10:40:13 http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian <<<<<< this is where I got my latest image! I think that other Wiki was broke. Nov 26 10:41:18 Hmm, these seem to be different images. Nov 26 10:41:33 Okay...I just noticed that. Nov 26 10:41:42 I am not sure what is going on with those sites. Nov 26 10:41:56 Me neither, hopefully what we learn here can be used to fix whatever the deal is. :P Nov 26 10:42:09 People keep making different sites with different info. Nov 26 10:42:10 Yea. Nov 26 10:42:39 So, did you use a Micro SD card to update your BBB? Nov 26 10:42:52 Yeah. Nov 26 10:43:11 Did you just put the SD card in, turn on the board, and then let it do its thing? Nov 26 10:43:31 Yep. Followed the instructions the whole way. Nov 26 10:43:41 Okay. The instructions are wrong now. Nov 26 10:44:11 I'm redoing the image from http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian. Nov 26 10:44:29 I listened to them and it only works when the SD card is left in w/ the new image. Try to update with SD card, do not hold down the boot button, and just let it do its thing. Nov 26 10:44:50 It will turn off. That is how you know you are done. Nov 26 10:47:55 Will try that after it finishes writing to SD. Nov 26 13:21:14 Yea boy! BBB and Thanksgiving...are there any people out there making a BeagleBone cooked Turkey with e-mail support? Nov 26 13:22:40 Gmail says, "Your Turkey is fully cooked!" Nov 26 14:08:10 Has anyone used botSpeak on the BBB? Nov 26 14:25:10 Or eSpeak...has anyone used eSpeak on the BBB? Nov 26 14:27:01 hi Nov 26 14:28:03 i have a problem with my beaglebone Nov 26 14:28:22 I am at your service. Shoot! Nov 26 14:28:30 What is it? Nov 26 14:28:49 it doesn't start when i connect it to the alimentation cable or to USB cable Nov 26 14:29:10 What is the alimentation cable? Nov 26 14:29:32 Ethernet? Nov 26 14:29:50 HDMI, FTDI, 5v? Nov 26 14:29:51 sorry for my english...i use a bench vise Nov 26 14:29:58 Oh. Okay. Nov 26 14:30:01 set 5v Nov 26 14:30:11 Use Ethernet and the USB. Nov 26 14:30:16 It should work. Nov 26 14:30:19 and the power led blinks Nov 26 14:30:30 I understand. You still need Ethernet. Nov 26 14:30:35 but the board doesn't start Nov 26 14:30:41 Oh. Nov 26 14:30:41 ok i'll try Nov 26 14:30:44 thank Nov 26 14:30:51 s Nov 26 14:31:30 The board does not start heh? I think the board is bricked. Nov 26 14:31:43 No LEDs and no power? Nov 26 14:31:50 Or LEDs and no power? Nov 26 14:32:07 Okay...I got you. Nov 26 14:32:08 ... Nov 26 14:32:33 You have LEDs and no power. Go online and download the latest image. Nov 26 14:33:29 i think the same thing but i want to know if there is a way to turn on it again Nov 26 14:33:39 Put the SD card in the SD card slot, power on your board, and then let it do its thing. It will turn off. Then, you need to take the SD card out and power on your board. Nov 26 14:34:01 Take the new image and put it on a SD card. Nov 26 14:34:14 Your image is probably beat. Nov 26 14:34:15 ok Nov 26 14:34:36 I had this problem before. Nov 26 14:34:45 My image was on my SD card only. Nov 26 14:35:00 can you say me how it happened? Nov 26 14:35:31 Yea...you pushed the boot button on the board instead of letting it upload to the board by itself. Nov 26 14:35:53 The power by USB and info. via Ethernet does the work. Nov 26 14:37:27 So... Nov 26 14:37:34 What happened or what is happening? Nov 26 14:38:39 Hey Raph, do you know how to write an image? Nov 26 14:38:44 Dang...that fellow. Nov 26 14:39:08 i am not telling anyone anything ever again...ever! Nov 26 14:50:27 hi Nov 26 14:50:55 i have a beaglebone black that stopped working Nov 26 14:51:30 when i connect the board to the power supply at 5 volts Nov 26 14:51:56 the power LED flashes once and it turns off Nov 26 14:57:30 is there anyone? Nov 26 15:00:34 hi Nov 26 15:10:31 r12: try with a known good microSD, power up holding down S2 Nov 26 15:10:53 though I suspect PMIC is dead Nov 26 15:12:00 is there any way to repair it? Nov 26 15:12:37 i think too that the problem is the PMIC Nov 26 15:12:54 but i don't know if i can repair the board Nov 26 15:13:37 if you have to ask, most likely no. buying a new board is the direction. Nov 26 15:14:58 so i can't do anything... Nov 26 15:15:10 is possible to change the PCIM? Nov 26 15:17:26 please answer Nov 26 15:21:10 r12: if you have a SMD rework station and are able to source a replacement part Nov 26 15:21:29 r12: what did you do with the board? Nov 26 15:26:58 on the board there was flashed the last debian image Nov 26 15:27:19 and there were some ROS agents Nov 26 15:28:01 that i use to communicate with the ROS on my PC Nov 26 15:28:29 i hope that you understand me Nov 26 15:32:58 Does anyone know why on debian appying overlays do not actually change pinmux configurations? Nov 26 15:33:15 *applying rather. Nov 26 15:50:37 what is a ROS agent? Nov 26 16:16:01 I have no idea Nov 26 16:16:14 I couldn't find anything relevant on ROS Nov 27 00:48:38 Hello. Nov 27 01:01:33 hi Nov 27 01:06:07 Sorry, I just had an issue with my client not being identified due to some netsplits earlier. Hi. Nov 27 01:06:36 I'm interested in the new BeagleBoard X15. Nov 27 01:07:32 Does anyone know what it will be priced at? Nov 27 01:08:23 I was telling someone about it today, and they asked the same question. Nov 27 01:10:39 I thought it was around $200 Nov 27 01:10:54 mouser listing at £140gbp for me .. not -too- far off Nov 27 01:11:08 its no 'cheap' arm board ;D Nov 27 01:11:20 Okay cool. Nov 27 01:11:34 140£ is good. Nov 27 01:11:50 I think that I'll get 2 then. Nov 27 01:11:59 nearer £100 would be nice .. but its early days Nov 27 01:12:22 It's definitely a lot cheaper than the i.MX6 Rex. Nov 27 01:12:36 Which is also OSH. Nov 27 01:12:53 wandboard quad :) Nov 27 01:12:57 £80 iirc Nov 27 01:13:15 or thereabouts Nov 27 01:14:00 The only thing that I don't like about the BeagleBoard stuff is that the GPU is PowerVR, so it can't be used without a nonfree blob. Nov 27 01:14:19 veremit: What's that? Is it OSH? Nov 27 01:14:20 although .. I'm about to have a play with an 'Orange Pi Plus' .. quad core, wifi, sata and emmc for nearly half the price of the quad. Nov 27 01:14:51 ah well if you're looking for OSH .. you're gonna struggle. Nov 27 01:15:49 No, I'm happy with the BeagleBoard X15, even without the GPU. Nov 27 01:16:04 http://wandboard.org/ and http://www.orangepi.org/ .. although the latter suffers from chinese .. erm.. yeah. Nov 27 01:16:32 schematics are there for both .. not so sure about hardware layouts Nov 27 01:17:02 either/both need firmware blobs from somewhere Nov 27 01:17:13 whether broadcom or realtek Nov 27 01:17:26 can't really get away from it 100% it seems Nov 27 01:19:47 Well as far as I'm aware, the BoardBoard.org stuff only has an issue with the PowerVR, which isn't even needed for most things. Nov 27 01:20:11 So I can use my BeagleBone Black without any nonfree software. Nov 27 01:20:42 never paid for any of the "nonfree" stuf ever .. :) Nov 27 01:21:05 Nonlibre, then, if you like. Nov 27 01:21:39 As opposed to nongratis. Nov 27 01:30:52 its all grey area .. if I can use it .. what's the difference .. ok I can't decompile it or read the original source, but as long as it works, and I can obtain it .. meh. Weirdness. Nov 27 01:35:29 Does anyone know how to create a bootable image from the bbg emmc to a sd card then boot of the sd card? Nov 27 01:36:35 you want to duplicate the emmc? Nov 27 01:36:51 Finally, my browser is working again… Nov 27 01:36:52 why not make the working image on uSD to start with Nov 27 01:37:19 yes I want to duplicate it. Nov 27 01:38:38 veremit: This is the i.MX6 Rex, btw.: http://imx6rex.com/ Nov 27 01:38:41 I already built the working image, but it is on my emmc. I would like to get it on a SD to send to someone. If you put a SD in the bbg do you have to hold down switch 2? Nov 27 01:39:35 It uses the same processor as the Novena, the Freescale i.MX6 Quad. Nov 27 01:40:19 But, like the Novena, it is also pretty expensive currently. Nov 27 01:40:41 So the BeagleBoard X15 definitely appeals to me. Nov 27 01:41:29 JamesJRH.. yes I know of the rex .. my boss and another guy here were gonna go into production at one point .. Nov 27 01:42:02 I'm not bothered about the PowerVR anyway, because I'll mainly use it as a server and for compiling ARM packages for it and my other devices. Nov 27 01:42:05 JamesJRH .. what's your budget .. did you see the wandboard quad? Nov 27 01:42:55 If it's not OSH then I'm not interested. 140£ for the X15 is okay for me. Nov 27 01:43:49 01:10:54 < veremit> mouser listing at £140gbp for me .. not -too- far off ← So is it available yet? Do you have a link for that? Nov 27 01:45:12 The BeagleBoard X15 page doesn't yet show any purchase options: http://beagleboard.org/X15 Nov 27 01:45:43 Instead it says “Register your interest”, which I've done. Nov 27 01:46:48 But apparently it was going to be released November, which we're now near the end of. Nov 27 01:48:34 I've just realised what SunTzu wanted to do, and it's a good idea. Nov 27 01:48:42 I'd like to do it too. Nov 27 01:49:40 this additional delay *might* suggest there's a chance it'll ship with r2 silicon instead of r1.1, which would be nice Nov 27 01:49:51 but who knows Nov 27 01:50:04 Delay? Nov 27 01:50:26 well, as you said "it was going to be released November" Nov 27 01:50:35 Okay. Nov 27 01:50:48 I suppose they could still release it monday Nov 27 01:51:08 Well I'm not too bothered about a bit of delay, but it would be nice if i could preörder it. Nov 27 01:51:17 I* Nov 27 01:51:57 the TI version (TMDXEVM5728) "will be available beginning of December" Nov 27 01:52:34 veremit: Do you have a link to that Mouser page? Nov 27 01:54:25 mouser had a long lead time .. let me see .. Nov 27 01:54:44 its already about a year overdue .. but thats about right. Nov 27 01:55:19 http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/BeagleBoard-by-CircuitCo/999-0006389/?qs=a6BKWXNHL3S8YligLWq5Qg%3d%3d Nov 27 01:55:46 940 on order lol Nov 27 01:56:40 http://uk.futureelectronics.com/en/technologies/development-tools/microcontroller-microprocessor/multimedia/Pages/1033691-WBQUAD.aspx?IM=0 Nov 27 01:56:54 buggers .. even they outta stock .. mouser probably more expensive normally Nov 27 01:57:31 http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/Wandboard/WBQUAD/?qs=cF9QIdCP5siVNjY/ywrBAA== .. but they're carrying stock Nov 27 01:57:40 Hmmm, interesting. Nov 27 01:57:54 Nice that they at least have a page for it already. Nov 27 01:58:17 they know they'll shift 'em Nov 27 01:58:18 Even though the BeagleBoard.org website doesn't say anything about that. Nov 27 01:58:29 just can't get stock .. usual story with TI/beagle/cco Nov 27 01:58:31 sadly Nov 27 02:00:46 The latter 2 links are nothing to do with the BeagleBoard X15. Nov 27 02:00:59 01:55:46 < veremit> 940 on order lol ← Who has? You? Nov 27 02:01:26 That's like worth a house! Nov 27 02:01:46 Oh. Nov 27 02:01:50 942 Nov 27 02:02:02 That Mouser have on order. Nov 27 02:03:17 yeah nobody has stock Nov 27 02:03:32 the only ones in circulation are pre-production prototypes and demo units Nov 27 02:03:57 so if you want one .. sit and wait .. same as always with the beagles. Nov 27 02:04:36 right.. time to relocate.. brb! Nov 27 02:04:57 But I can order it right now, though. So that's good. Nov 27 02:05:53 I guess that Mouser have done the preördering for me. Nov 27 02:07:24 Okay, so I wonder why http://beagleboard.org/X15 doesn't list suppliers that have them on order. Nov 27 02:15:11 veremit: Will there be a bulk discount? If there is then I'll try to persuade some fellow members of my local LUG to get them too, and order say 10 of them between us. Nov 27 02:18:14 JamesJRH: Many suppliers have price breaks on products in quantity. Nov 27 02:32:58 agmlego: How many suppliers have BeagleBoard X15's on order, available to order? Nov 27 02:33:24 The Mouser page doesn't list any price breaks. Nov 27 02:39:51 zmatt: What is ‘r1.1 silicon’? Silicon is an element. Nov 27 02:40:21 zmatt: It has isotopes, but not revisions! :-P Nov 27 02:46:12 Hello Nov 27 02:47:11 Any of you have experience with multiple PWM outputs? Nov 27 02:52:28 JamesJRH: with silicon people in the industry mean ICs (actual produced ones, not merely designs) Nov 27 02:53:08 in this case I was referring to the processor of course Nov 27 03:00:19 zmatt: So what's the difference if the design's the same? Nov 27 03:00:27 bug fixes Nov 27 03:00:40 But the design's the same. Nov 27 03:00:46 I never said that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 27 03:00:52 2015