**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 01 03:00:47 2015 Dec 01 04:24:14 has anyone received a Beagleboard X-15 yet? Dec 01 06:28:58 Hey is there a good Premade BeagleBone Black QEMU setup ? Dec 01 07:40:36 cart_man: you can just install qemu on the debian image. Or did you mean to emulate the board? Dec 01 07:41:21 the latter is not really possible if you depend on the hardware. if you just want to run ARMv7 binaries, it will of course work, slowly. Dec 01 07:41:34 tbr: I want to write Startup scripts for a Beaglebone Black WITHOUT a Beaglbone black... I do not have a board but I am required to work with it soo I want to emulate one Dec 01 07:42:44 what are those scripts supposed to do? Dec 01 07:48:22 tbr: Just run a C program and a NodeJS server Dec 01 07:48:31 So both of them should start up when the System starts up Dec 01 07:48:33 tbr: ^^ Dec 01 07:50:18 compile the program for x86(64) and do your development on an virtual machine Dec 01 07:50:32 there's nothing arm specific in what you're about to do Dec 01 07:51:34 getting debian jessie up in a vm is quick, as opposed of getting it to work under qemu-arm, which is going to be super-slow for no added benefit Dec 01 07:54:02 tbr: Ok way soo... Debian Jessie has the exact same startup seq then the BeagleBone black? Do not know why I did not think of that Dec 01 07:54:37 well, the default image for the BBB is debian jessie Dec 01 07:54:48 or are you targetting a different linux distribution? Dec 01 07:55:36 tbr: Nope the default one Dec 01 07:56:42 then you should be able to do the generic things on a debian jessie (systemd) vm too Dec 01 07:57:03 you will obviously still want to do integration tests and verification on real hardware Dec 01 07:57:57 tbr: Yea...well the programs are not that intense vs Hardware... and I know that the programs do run. So its just a matter of getting them to start up . Its quite a mission to get a NOdeJS server to start up on its own actualy Dec 01 07:58:24 tbr: I can only see Debian version 8.2 for download.. would that work ? Dec 01 07:58:39 8 = jessie Dec 01 08:00:15 uavcam: Ohh ok .. cool thanks guys I appreciate it Dec 01 08:01:24 you'll want to write systemd .service files, btw Dec 01 08:05:01 https://rocketeer.be/articles/deploying-node-js-with-systemd/ have a lookt at this Dec 01 08:25:43 I am desperately looking for a small form factor PC like the Minnowboard with a USB 3.0 support Dec 01 08:25:56 the BeagleBoard-X15 is not available yet, from what I've gathered? Dec 01 08:26:52 right Dec 01 08:27:45 also it's quite expensive Dec 01 08:28:57 so not available and quite expensive? Dec 01 08:29:29 any other options out there? Dec 01 08:33:30 minnowboard max should have usb 3 Dec 01 08:34:37 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Meegopad-T04-Windows10-World-First-Intel-Atom-Cherry-Trail-x5-Z8300-CPU-Z8300-14NM-2MB/32480455686.html Dec 01 08:35:39 meego, the name that refuses to die Dec 01 08:35:53 most the inter NUCs should have usb3.0 too Dec 01 08:35:59 av500: for some reason the chinese like it, yeah. I keep seeing them use it Dec 01 08:39:05 don't believe the meego does usb3 Dec 01 08:39:09 thi minnowboard does Dec 01 08:39:11 it's perfect Dec 01 08:39:21 but somebody in the office connected 12V to it Dec 01 08:39:24 magic smoke Dec 01 08:39:28 and they're all out of stock Dec 01 08:39:43 it says usb3 on that aliexpress page and it's a z8300 cherry-trail Dec 01 08:40:39 ah, sorry, you are correct Dec 01 08:40:49 only problem I'm trying to source something asap Dec 01 08:40:51 blah Dec 01 08:41:27 and, as we're in Lithuania Dec 01 08:41:34 it's proving to be a bit of a pickle Dec 01 08:42:08 its comming from hongkong. should be there in 3dys if you pay the delivery fees Dec 01 08:42:43 or look at soekris or the like Dec 01 08:42:48 those ship from within europe Dec 01 08:43:37 ok, thank you Dec 01 08:43:47 if you have skype: twinfish-liyyuan they are building the things. ask for a sample and how fast they can deliver ;) Dec 01 08:44:26 which things? Dec 01 08:44:33 btw thank you for the offer, uavcam Dec 01 08:44:35 meego pads Dec 01 08:44:37 ah Dec 01 08:44:38 ok Dec 01 08:45:02 but we kind of need it tomorrow the latest Dec 01 08:45:09 I know it's a tall order Dec 01 08:45:09 :) Dec 01 08:45:22 but there's been a DHL fuck up yesterday Dec 01 08:45:27 and now we're in panic mode Dec 01 08:46:30 then order within europe with express delivery Dec 01 08:47:43 amazon should deliver from poland. Dec 01 08:48:02 24h is possible i think Dec 01 08:48:41 is the PL branch operational? Dec 01 08:48:51 any serious IT reseller will deliver 100s of intel nucs even today, if you can pay. whats the point? Dec 01 08:48:54 I believe Germany is the closest we got Dec 01 08:49:21 no poland is operational since almost 2 years Dec 01 08:49:26 oh wow Dec 01 08:49:32 romania too i think Dec 01 08:49:59 no storefront though? Dec 01 08:50:44 you will need to buy a intel nuc on amazon i think. so better to ask local resellers first Dec 01 08:51:00 as leto said they will be very fast Dec 01 08:51:29 I've looked at the NUC Dec 01 08:51:47 I'd probably try to source some pc part. There surely should be local supply of mini-itx or nuc. Dec 01 08:51:51 can they use 12V? Dec 01 08:52:06 make them use it. Dec 01 08:52:14 whats the point? Dec 01 08:52:46 the same as always: noe, cheap, rocketscience Dec 01 08:52:51 now... Dec 01 08:53:02 if you got enough money, everything is possible. if you're not willing to spend more than 100€, the discussion is m00t Dec 01 08:53:16 then get off my lawn with your panic mode :) Dec 01 08:55:16 hardware alone will cost 100+, then add rush delivery 20-80€ and possibly some peripherals. so 200 is minimum Dec 01 08:56:07 i would rather estimate 500+X Dec 01 08:56:22 is what's the point an existential question or are you asking why we need it? Dec 01 08:56:49 Tom__: "what's the point" means "i don't see your problem, what are you complaining about?" Dec 01 08:57:38 the problem is that sourcing a light, small form factor pc that supports usb 3 and is not too power intensive does not seem trivial Dec 01 08:57:45 I might be mistaken, which would be nice Dec 01 08:58:17 Tom__: have you gone through local PC suppliers looking for mini/micro-itx and nuc yet? Dec 01 08:58:18 if this inquiry goes against chat rules then please forgive me Dec 01 08:58:28 looking at them Dec 01 08:58:32 might be our best bet Dec 01 08:58:58 Tom__: sorry, but so far you neither specified "light" and "not power intensive". you only told us about your panic and that you need something *today* Dec 01 08:59:26 Tom__: which essentially then means "i need a pc that runs on 12V and has usb3 right now". and that is easy. Dec 01 08:59:46 also ordering from amazon is no good if you need it delivered on time. they have wild fluctuations Dec 01 08:59:53 on super shorthand notice you of course won't get anything highly power optimized. Dec 01 09:00:21 one of the large electronics distributors would be better suited and more expensive: arrow, avnet, digikey, farnell, ... Dec 01 09:00:49 or try kilobaitas.lt Dec 01 09:00:50 i mean, are we talking *serious business*, or a one-of-a-kind tinkering thing Dec 01 09:01:26 in the former, just throw money at ingrammicro or such. anything is possible Dec 01 09:01:44 it's being mounted in a fixed wing UAV Dec 01 09:02:03 to do what? Dec 01 09:02:09 in the one-of-a-kind tinkering case, and being short at money... well good luck. Dec 01 09:02:12 to control oem cameras Dec 01 09:02:27 100g is about all we can spare Dec 01 09:02:34 is grams, not gold :) Dec 01 09:02:47 usb 3.0 cameras? Dec 01 09:02:49 * LetoThe2nd fall dead on the floor laughing and returns to real topics. Dec 01 09:03:07 yes Dec 01 09:03:26 like this Dec 01 09:03:27 http://buyersguide.pennwell.com/Shared/User/pr60e1eb6c583941ccb9de79fce2ded1d6.png Dec 01 09:03:57 > 10MP? Dec 01 09:05:58 some Dec 01 09:06:00 others just 5 Dec 01 09:06:27 using 5m with 60fps and usb2.0 Dec 01 09:06:30 no problem at all Dec 01 09:06:50 but >10mp will be a problem Dec 01 09:06:58 usb 2.0 doesn't provide enough power Dec 01 09:07:15 another option I tried was using a hub with external power Dec 01 09:07:31 but they'd also have to be tricked that the system supports USB 3 Dec 01 09:08:37 so the bard should record the video? Dec 01 09:08:48 yes Dec 01 09:12:33 http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/single-board-computers/8829691/ - would need RAM Dec 01 09:15:57 get someone to desolder all those connectors ;) Dec 01 09:16:04 :) Dec 01 09:17:20 another option is trying to source the chip that was burned on the Minnowboard Dec 01 09:17:32 perhaps I should stop spamming the main chat Dec 01 09:17:48 uavcam, I'll drop you a pm Dec 01 09:18:06 doest this thing do pm? :D Dec 01 09:18:26 click where my name blinks Dec 01 10:30:48 does anyone work with can on the beaglebone Dec 01 10:32:45 I tried to apply the RT-Patch on the Beaglebone(via Buildroot), but the CAN-Module doesnt work with the Serial-Cape of the Beaglebone Dec 01 10:32:57 any idea? Dec 01 21:24:35 I have a quick question that I'm hoping someone can help... Dec 01 21:25:11 I'm currently using google chrome and I'm having trouble downloading the latest image of Debian from the beaglebone site Dec 01 21:26:00 when I click on the link for both "Wheezy" and "Jessie", instead of downloading a file I'm taken to a new page of garbly gook Dec 01 21:26:25 try right-clicking and select download? Dec 01 21:27:10 I did try that with no luck. There's no option to download. Just "open in a new tab" "open in a new window" etc Dec 01 21:27:43 try a different browser? :) Dec 01 21:28:07 IE is giving the same issue, but have not tried firefox Dec 01 21:28:36 what's the URL ? Dec 01 21:28:49 http://beagleboard.org/latest-images Dec 01 21:30:01 yep, webserver is a moron Dec 01 21:30:05 Content-Type: text/html Dec 01 21:30:15 on the .xz files Dec 01 21:30:25 got the gobbly gook too ... right click -> save link as in iceweasel Dec 01 21:30:55 or use wget Dec 01 21:31:04 I wouldn't trust save-as anyway Dec 01 21:31:50 with this wrong mimetype, the browser would probably implicitly replace every CRLF by LF, thus destroying the file Dec 01 21:32:24 lost: just use the links you can find here -> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian Dec 01 21:32:39 until jkridner fixes the mime-type on the webserver :P Dec 01 21:32:55 zmatt: where? Dec 01 21:33:03 ah... Dec 01 21:33:05 latest-images. Dec 01 21:33:14 * jkridner will check out the mime-type Dec 01 21:33:35 thanks for the help Dec 01 21:33:48 use curl or wget Dec 01 21:34:21 ds2: I just realized they'll probably do CRLF -> LF conversion too? Dec 01 21:36:19 * jkridner notes that buildbot is serving the images there right now. Dec 01 21:37:40 zmatt: application/x-xz desired? Dec 01 21:38:00 uhh, lemme see Dec 01 21:38:04 zmatt: there is an option for that, IIRC Dec 01 21:38:21 jkridner: seems so, yes Dec 01 21:39:14 From /etc/mime.types: Note: Compression schemes like "gzip", "bzip", and "compress" are not actually "mime-types". They are "encodings" and hence must _not_ have entries in this file to map their extensions. The "mime-type" of an encoded file refers to the type of data that has been encoded, not the type of encoding. Dec 01 21:39:45 that's for upload Dec 01 21:39:45 jkridner: yada yada, what's the mime-type for a raw filesystem image? :P Dec 01 21:40:02 jkridner: rcn-ee uses x-xz and it works fine Dec 01 21:40:55 more importantly, if xz is treated as an encoding rather than as a file type, assuming the browser actually understands it, then it would be decompressed on the fly by the browser Dec 01 21:41:06 which probably isn't what you want Dec 01 21:42:18 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=83054&action=edit Dec 01 21:42:49 jkridner: this is all just pedantry anyway Dec 01 21:42:57 no browser or downloader is going to care about the difference Dec 01 21:42:59 yeah. Dec 01 21:43:06 just needs to be application/something Dec 01 21:43:13 application/x-zip :p Dec 01 21:43:19 application/x-something-unfamiliar Dec 01 21:43:32 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8832312/can-buildbot-webstatus-be-customized-to-return-content-type-other-than-text-html Dec 01 21:43:54 lol @ text/html .. for a buildbot .. seriously. Dec 01 21:46:01 jkridner: but the comment in mime.types, while sort of true, is also kind of hazardous. assuming you *do* manage to configure the server correctly to treat it as an .img file (application/x-raw-disk-image or whatever) that happens to be stored xz encoded, and the browser/downloader does not declare support for xz-compression, then the webserver would be obligated to decompress the data on the fly and serve Dec 01 21:46:07 the file without compression Dec 01 21:49:57 jkridner: are the buildbot images essentially the same as rcn-ee's μSD/standalone lxqt-4gb images, or is there a relevant difference between them? Dec 01 21:50:36 no notable difference Dec 01 21:51:01 just an automation/knowledge thing for me. Dec 01 21:51:28 I think the Wheezy is an lxde image. Dec 01 21:51:43 The Jessie image doesn't have Chromium to save space (it is under 2GB) Dec 01 21:51:53 ah it's the 2gb image Dec 01 21:52:03 and yeah I meant jessie, I stopped caring about wheezy a long time ago Dec 01 21:52:22 I run stretch on all BBBs here actually Dec 01 21:52:52 Content-Type: application/x-xz is done now Dec 01 21:52:58 woo \o/ Dec 01 21:53:09 thanks for the heads-up! Dec 01 21:53:40 credit goes to lost, who understandly got lost when he clicked the link ;) Dec 01 21:54:10 well, thanks for adding a 'jkridner' in the conversation. Dec 01 21:55:11 hehe, you're welcome, I know any complaints about stuff on that page should be forwarded to you ;) Dec 01 21:56:01 what the heck is the "BeagleBone Black Industrial" ... Dec 01 21:56:07 thanks for tracking down the issue and explaining it Dec 01 21:56:25 BeagleBone black with a less shiny solder mask? Dec 01 21:56:35 red... Dec 01 21:56:46 along with some smoke stacks on there Dec 01 21:57:09 http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-78671 Dec 01 22:03:13 ok, so it's just a BBB, except for not actually being black Dec 01 22:03:53 at least the BBG people had the decency to change the name to match the change in pcb color :P Dec 01 22:16:18 bbl Dec 01 22:38:09 jkridner: btw, the jessie link says "4GB" in the description (although it indeed links to the 2gb image) Dec 01 22:39:47 It's in a quantum superposition Dec 01 23:42:42 GrumpeiYokoi: well it's obviously been measured already so that would have collapsed **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 02 03:00:57 2015