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May 21 04:21:10 <ayjay> no its a problem
May 21 04:21:32 <ayjay> if you give new engineers toys that they can break
May 21 04:21:33 <ayjay> they will break them
May 21 04:22:38 <zauslande> thats a good way to improve a design.
May 21 04:25:48 <zauslande> The weekend before the IBM PC went on sale, we had a store give us one to tear down to analyze over the weekend. We had about 10 engineers working on the weekend to learn everything about it. Sunday evening we put it all back together and the next day, some lucky customer bought a brand new PC with our fingerprints all over it. :)
May 21 05:18:39 <GenTooMan> So that would be what early 80's?
May 21 05:28:12 <zauslande> probably '82
May 21 05:28:58 <zauslande> The odd thing is that the company could have just bought one... why all the weekend intrigue
May 21 05:31:14 <zauslande> Maybe they just used our interest in getting a look before the went on sale, to get us to work for free.
May 21 05:41:22 <kremlin> not immediately beagle related but:
May 21 05:41:33 <kremlin> i was surprised to see there is an OMAP5xxx series of SoCs
May 21 05:41:42 <kremlin> i thought TI was doing away with OMAP in favor of am335x
May 21 05:41:47 <kremlin> and am-whatever line of SoCs
May 21 06:12:08 <ayjay> so my girlfriend just compared reading linux man pages to reading the bible
May 21 06:12:22 <ayjay> "everyone thinks about doing it at some point, and some get farther than others"
May 21 06:13:22 * vagrantc always skips to the good parts
May 21 06:13:40 <vagrantc> a.k.a. EXAMPLES
May 21 06:14:43 <vagrantc> then i work my way back to the descriptions of the arguments that the examples are using
May 21 06:15:26 <ayjay> longest man entry?
May 21 06:15:30 <ayjay> shortest man entry?
May 21 06:15:31 <ayjay> what are they
May 21 08:37:27 <promugulus> @PDodgjr remember our beaglebone conversation?well i got the beaglebone talk here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc7WoDXhcjM,&  i think it says i need 3 beaglebones,is this true if you listen to the talk coz i'm not quite sure i understood what he said.or is the way you  previously instructed me the right way?
May 21 08:52:47 <MJaeger> hello
May 21 08:53:15 <MJaeger> does anyone know how to set a registers bit according to another registers bit in pru assembler easily?
May 21 10:16:27 <PDogJr> well I would've seen that message before he signed off if he hadn't put the "@" there
May 21 13:13:55 <promugulus> PDogJr where are you man??
May 21 13:15:45 <promugulus> anyone heard from this guy today?
May 21 13:20:39 <promugulus> anyone heard from PDogJr today?
May 21 15:52:28 <m0b> If he keeps his ass in the channel I'm sure he'll eventually get an answer
May 21 15:57:22 <veremit> m0b: +1
May 21 15:57:42 <veremit> hopefully (unlikely) he might read the logs
May 21 17:22:18 <anonan> hi! i own a BBB and i'd like to be able to access the serial console. there are a number of very cheap ebay/aliexpress listings for what seems to be compatible parts, except that they say that both 3.3V and 5V "power supply" is supported
May 21 17:22:43 <anonan> for the BBB, i don't need power supply via UART at all, but rather i need to have the *signalling* done at 3.3V, right?
May 21 17:23:22 <tbr> yeah
May 21 17:23:36 <tbr> some of those might derive the reference voltage from what they call 'power supply'
May 21 17:23:51 <tbr> I think that pin is not connected on the BBB
May 21 17:24:09 <anonan> i should add, i have no experience with hardware hacking whatsoever
May 21 17:24:22 <tbr> I'd get one that either has a dip switch or a jumper to select reference voltage
May 21 17:24:25 <tbr> those are safe
May 21 17:26:21 <anonan> does this thing look usable to you? http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-3V-5V-FT232RL-FTDI-USB-to-TTL-Serial-Adapter-Module-for-Arduino-Mini-USB-/201073434361
May 21 17:26:49 <anonan> unfortunately the description is not exactly precise, but you as someone who's more experienced might get what they're trying to say
May 21 17:31:31 <tbr> yeah, looks like the fake FTDI that I have
May 21 17:32:00 <anonan> does it work properly? :)
May 21 17:32:09 <tbr> yeah, well enough
May 21 17:33:26 <anonan> great! then i guess there's one more newbie question: what are those cables called i can use to connect the BBB to this thingy?
May 21 17:35:14 <tbr> I'd call them ribbon cables or jumper cables.
May 21 17:35:30 <tbr> The search term on aliexpress is "dupont cables" though
May 21 17:35:52 <anonan> awesome, thank you very much! :)
May 21 17:36:13 <tbr> for this you'll need the female/female configuration
May 21 17:37:17 <tbr> just get the bag of 40 wires. probably costs 1$ or so
May 21 17:38:41 <PDogJr> seriously how does that guy expect me to answer him if he keeps disappearing after a few minutes?
May 21 17:39:36 <tbr> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-40pcs-in-Row-Dupont-Cable-21-5-cm-2-54mm-1pin-1p-1p-Female/32247176499.html just as an example
May 21 18:28:57 <anonan> ordered now, thanks :)
May 21 19:28:14 <ZeekHuge> hey ! I am trying to use this ADC EVM http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/demo-board-manual/dc782A.pdf with beaglebone black's PRUs
May 21 19:28:57 <ZeekHuge> need some help on the Encode clock ( diag. page 4). The schematic is on page 8.
May 21 19:29:39 <ZeekHuge> So the encode clock is basically J3 in the schematic.
May 21 19:30:02 <ZeekHuge> and I want to use the PRU to provide clock to the ADC EVM
May 21 19:30:52 <ZeekHuge> so, trying to figure out a way out of the complex (at-least for me) circuit there on the J3 pin (as shown in the schematic )
May 21 19:37:50 <ZeekHuge> Basically the line that brings in the clock needs to be terminated, that is the requirement.
May 21 21:13:39 <Justin__> hi :)
May 21 21:14:16 <Justin__> I am looking for help correcting my USB mouse & keyboard use, is this a good spot to check for help?
May 21 21:19:25 <veremit> Justin__: on a beagle* board?
May 21 21:21:34 <Justin__> yep, BBB
May 21 21:23:02 <veremit> Justin__: you're aware there are often hotplug issues with the BBB does it work if everything's plugged in at power-up?
May 21 21:23:29 <Justin__> ah, let me check! give me 20 sec
May 21 21:24:21 <Justin__> all disconnected, should I do the following -
May 21 21:24:32 <Justin__> #1 connect USB Hub (mouse & keyboard)
May 21 21:24:43 <Justin__> #2 connect Power, with USER/BOOT depressed
May 21 21:24:49 <Justin__> #3 connect PC USB
May 21 21:24:52 <Justin__> Correct?
May 21 21:26:55 <veremit> Justin__: sounds good :)
May 21 21:27:14 <Justin__> well ghetto (cheap!), but good
May 21 21:27:17 <Justin__> ;)...
May 21 21:27:27 <Justin__> oops wrong conv, sorry!
May 21 21:27:40 <Justin__> oh my, that must sound confusing!!
May 21 21:27:49 <veremit> haha
May 21 21:28:31 <veremit> happens a fair bit .. I used to do a bit of ORPG .. and the expression "MT" or miss-tell (msg was a 'tell') was prolific :D
May 21 21:30:24 <Justin__> LOL... ehrmm...
May 21 21:31:22 <Justin__> ok, booted up in the sequence #1, #2, #3. Opened a tightVNC session, all USB devices are detected, but do not work! :(
May 21 21:31:59 <Justin__> I see - "	Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0000:0538   	Bus 001 Device 004: ID 060b:0595 Solid Year  	Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB 	Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub"
May 21 21:32:28 <Justin__> ewww, that may have been the grossest possible forum post... ;0
May 21 21:39:06 <Justin__> here is my procedure - 'http://justinreina.com/misc/2016_05_21_beagle/steps%20taken.txt'
May 21 21:39:59 <Justin__> oops, here is a cleaner filename! - http://justinreina.com/misc/2016_05_21_beagle/steps_taken.txt
May 21 22:02:48 <zmatt> evenin
May 21 22:05:52 <Justin__> headin out?
May 21 22:06:29 <Justin__> ah oops, I thought that was veremit. Howdy zmatt :)
May 21 22:06:54 <zmatt> just home
May 21 22:07:13 <Justin__> howdy
May 21 22:07:29 <Justin__> hey, you ever get a USB device connected and working with your BB?
May 21 22:07:34 <PDogJr> yes
May 21 22:07:41 <PDogJr> I just plugged it in and it worked fine
May 21 22:07:52 <Justin__> shoot
May 21 22:07:58 <Justin__> hmmm
May 21 22:08:00 <PDogJr> even a USB hub with multiple devices connected at once
May 21 22:08:10 <Justin__> powered or passive hub?
May 21 22:08:16 <PDogJr> powered
May 21 22:08:25 <zmatt> passive no problem either
May 21 22:08:36 <PDogJr> and I believe that it had to be plugged in before I booted up the Beagle
May 21 22:08:45 <PDogJr> although that might have just been an old issue
May 21 22:09:02 <Justin__> yeah, just did that step. Hmmmm, perhaps I need a powered hub?
May 21 22:09:02 <zmatt> no but it'll depend on the device
May 21 22:09:18 <zmatt> the BBB is missing a big output cap after the power switch
May 21 22:09:23 <PDogJr> what kind of device is it?
May 21 22:10:11 <zmatt> many devices draw a brief surge of current when plugged in, so without a big cap to supply that the usb-5v will dip and cause the usb phy to flip out
May 21 22:10:26 <zmatt> easy to recognize though when that happens, stuff about "vbus error" in your kernel log
May 21 22:13:49 <Justin__> just tried a powered USB 2.0 Hub, doesn't work either. lsusb still reports the mouse & keyboard
May 21 22:16:06 <PDogJr> what a disaster
May 21 22:16:24 <PDogJr> well at least you can always use the serial console cable and then run headless later
May 21 22:17:51 <Justin__> :(
May 21 22:18:08 <Justin__> but that is why I bought this mouse & keyboard! :(...!!
May 21 22:18:30 <Justin__> question - is there a tutorial on mouse and or/keyboard usage anywhere?
May 21 22:18:44 <zmatt> so it does recognize them?
May 21 22:19:33 <zmatt> could you give more complete kernel log?
May 21 22:21:00 <Justin__> certainly. I am a hardware guy (EE) and quite meager with software, how do I generate?
May 21 22:22:01 <zmatt> dmesg
May 21 22:22:46 <zmatt> you can also continuously watch the kernel log using   journalctl -f -k
May 21 22:24:21 <zmatt> or watch for device add/remove and status change messages (fairly verbose) using:  udevadm monitor -k -u -p
May 21 22:46:28 <Justin__> sorry for the delay, here is dmesg -> http://justinreina.com/misc/2016_05_21_beagle/dmesg_report.txt
May 21 22:49:37 <PDogJr> well it sees the devices
May 21 22:50:07 <Justin__> yup!
May 21 22:50:09 <Justin__> :(
May 21 22:50:12 <PDogJr> so just hub, mouse, keyboard?
May 21 22:50:25 <PDogJr> did you try with just a keyboard directly into the Beagle?
May 21 22:51:02 <Justin__> ah, I did try the mouse directly, not the keyboard
May 21 22:51:13 <Justin__> one sec I will try that
May 21 22:54:50 <Justin__> ok tried the keyboard only. It powers up and is seen by the BBB (in lsusb) but isn't connected
May 21 22:55:38 <Justin__> by 'isn't connected' i mean "won't type content into the terminal", for clarification
May 21 22:56:30 <PDogJr> I don't know what's wrong, hopefully zmatt can figure it out, he's a pro
May 21 22:56:59 <Justin__> k! :)
May 21 22:58:38 <PDogJr> just don't disappear after 2 minutes like that other dude
May 21 22:59:47 <Justin__> yes ma'am!
May 21 22:59:59 <Justin__> well, unless pizza appears...
May 21 23:00:08 <Justin__> j/k, home alone! ;0
May 21 23:39:40 <Justin__> hey guys, any thoughts?
May 21 23:49:06 <PDogJr> my only though is hopefully zmatt shows up soon
May 21 23:49:15 <PDogJr> thought*
May 21 23:50:08 <Justin__> k
May 21 23:50:24 <PDogJr> do you have another keyboard you can try?
May 21 23:51:24 <PDogJr> and maybe use a dedicated power supply
May 21 23:54:17 <Justin__> my hub is powered, and my BBB has its power supply connected :)
May 21 23:55:09 <Justin__> just tried a second keyboardm no lucj
May 21 23:55:11 <Justin__> luck
May 22 00:01:39 <veremit> Justin__: kernel version .. uname -a
May 22 00:02:07 <Justin__> Linux beaglebone 4.4.9-ti-r25 #1 SMP Thu May 5 23:08:13 UTC 2016 armv7l GNU/Linux
May 22 00:02:45 <veremit> oh ti kernel .. but they haven't patched so vigorously as RN/official ..
May 22 00:02:52 <veremit> s/but/bet/
May 22 00:03:23 <Justin__> hmm. that ok?
May 22 00:27:51 <Justin__> heading out to dinner real quick. it's 5:30pm for me now, back around 6:15pm. ttyl!
May 22 01:34:53 <Justin__> back! Veremit, you still around?
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