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Jun 26 03:00:53 <zmatt> I am registered, though I haven't signed an nda and don't intend to :P  but it's a fucking evm, it should have a schematic available
Jun 26 03:01:12 <veremit> but but but .. Trade Secrets.
Jun 26 03:02:06 <zmatt> that board would have been Pandaboard 5 if that project hadn't been axed, then the schematic would also have been available
Jun 26 03:07:05 <zmatt> to conclude, everything is better with doodles.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKMePEi6a4
Jun 26 05:29:04 <trelane> I'm getting some undocumented output from update_kernel.sh.  It's giving me  options for kernels, but no obvious method of specifying that option
Jun 26 06:07:47 <zmatt> just use apt-get to install a kernel
Jun 26 07:21:50 <serega2net> hello guys
Jun 26 07:22:04 <serega2net> i'm very interesting for BBB enhanced
Jun 26 07:22:33 <serega2net> or other board without TL5209 LDO
Jun 26 07:23:02 <serega2net> what do advise?
Jun 26 07:33:40 <tbr> serega2net: we can not 'advise' if you don't explain what you really want/need
Jun 26 07:37:04 <serega2net> we are make 3d printer on bone
Jun 26 07:37:54 <serega2net> with CRAMPS cape
Jun 26 07:40:05 <serega2net> I would like a stable system without TL5209 which kills over time processor
Jun 26 07:40:25 <serega2net> at least
Jun 26 07:41:32 <serega2net> i found http://octavosystems.com/octavo_products/osd335x/ and http://www.sancloud.co.uk/?p=270
Jun 26 07:41:54 <serega2net> but they are not commercially available :(
Jun 26 07:43:32 <tbr> I don't quite understand why you think the TL5209 is a problem.
Jun 26 07:43:54 <tbr> but you can of course take the design files and redesign it and produce your own, if you prefer that
Jun 26 07:45:09 <serega2net> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/7sxPePT7wkM/3vFMPydR20IJ
Jun 26 07:45:16 <serega2net> i have this problem
Jun 26 07:46:41 <serega2net> I would like to simpler) and the equipment for soldering BGA there is not in sight
Jun 26 07:51:01 <tbr> I don't quite understand why this is a problem of the TL5209. It's a power sequencing and voltage domain and leakage problem. One that is very specific, as you either need to manually enter a low power state or shut down the board.
Jun 26 07:55:46 <serega2net> voltage drop at the TL5209 for VDD_3V3A line is slower than VDD_3V3B because of its features. if you put the sensor voltage, like the problem goes away. but I want a ready solution :)
Jun 26 07:56:08 <serega2net> if briefly
Jun 26 08:01:46 <serega2net> also in BB Green Air developers refused TL5209
Jun 26 08:19:32 <serega2net> so here. Does the board sold with a functional BBB, but without TL5209
Jun 26 08:19:55 <serega2net> ?
Jun 26 10:26:17 <_av500_> probably not
Jun 26 12:11:57 <Geof_> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has a 3D model of the BeagleBone Green?  Step or other.
Jun 26 16:39:20 <chrysn> i'm trying to get started with a beaglebone black. system as shipped (a 2014-04-something image) runs fine, but now i'd like to upgrade.
Jun 26 16:39:37 <chrysn> (preferably doing a fresh debian netinstall, but i'm open to anything).
Jun 26 16:40:08 <chrysn> problem is, all the hardware i have at hand apart from a laptop to hook the device to is a 2gb sd card, and all the images i've found look like 4gb.
Jun 26 16:41:03 <chrysn> i've tried flashing the latest debian netinst iso directly onto the micro sd, powered the device up with the boot select button pressed, but no response.
Jun 26 16:41:30 <chrysn> is there any flashing i can do from the usb connected pc, or is there any image i can boot off that's smaller?
Jun 26 16:43:27 <chrysn> (@tried netinstaller: no response here means that the original image still booted up)
Jun 26 18:56:43 <zmatt> chrysn: you can flash via usb, and there are small console images
Jun 26 18:57:18 <zmatt> there are also 2gb gui images
Jun 26 18:59:03 <zmatt> http://pastebin.com/x5QzB18E  <-- how to mount a bbb in usb mass storage mode... (the instructions are actually quite short, I just wrote them down in rather verbose detail)
Jun 26 18:59:57 <zmatt> you can then just cat an image onto it
Jun 26 19:00:15 <zmatt> (it will appear as /dev/sdX for some X)
Jun 26 19:00:40 <zmatt> latest images are https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/testing/2016-06-19/
Jun 26 19:02:33 <Ragnorok> Would bone-debian-8.5-console be an image with uio_pruss in it?
Jun 26 19:03:17 <zmatt> Ragnorok: presence or absence of uio_pruss depends on which kernel you use, not really on which image you install
Jun 26 19:03:23 <Ragnorok> Ok.
Jun 26 19:03:42 <Ragnorok> I thought the kernel would be part of the image, though.
Jun 26 19:03:59 <zmatt> a kernel is installed by default, I think the same one on all of those images
Jun 26 19:04:07 <Ragnorok> Ok.
Jun 26 19:04:12 <zmatt> you can simply install a different one
Jun 26 19:05:50 <zmatt> for uio_pruss something from the -bone kernel series
Jun 26 19:06:38 <Ragnorok> Roit.  We have that now but we're redoing our base image using console.  We'll try that.
Jun 26 19:08:35 <zmatt> the console images mostly mean you don't get a load of crap preinstalled
Jun 26 19:10:12 <zmatt> if I want to make a clean start I begin with that, then remove any crap I still find (usually there still is), upgrade to debian stretch, switch to systemd-networkd as network manager, remove more packages made unnecessary by that (ifupdown, *dhcp*), and start installing things I want
Jun 26 19:11:21 <Ragnorok> Yup.  It's the not "a load of crap preinstalled" that we're looking for.  (grin)
Jun 26 19:11:49 <zmatt> yeah and upgrading to stretch is less painful/risky when a minimum amount of packages are installed
Jun 26 19:12:07 <zmatt> or actually with console images is it painless and risk-free
Jun 26 19:12:18 <zmatt> with an lxqt image I wouldn't dare really
Jun 26 19:14:17 <Ragnorok> Don't think we're ready for stretch yet, but did want want a newer kernel than 4.1.  (shrug)
Jun 26 19:15:15 <Ragnorok> Even that's not strickly necessary.  It's more we thought starting from console would be simpler than removing cruft from what we're using now.
Jun 26 19:15:48 <zmatt> well I dislike old crap, in particular jessie's systemd is ancient
Jun 26 19:16:04 <zmatt> (released july 2014)
Jun 26 19:16:23 <Ragnorok> lol
Jun 26 19:16:24 <zmatt> systemd-networkd isn't really usable yet in that version
Jun 26 19:16:47 <Ragnorok> That's okay.  We have no intention of using it.
Jun 26 19:17:13 <zmatt> well I like fast boot
Jun 26 19:18:01 <Ragnorok> We'll only have static IP.  It seems to boot quick enough.
Jun 26 19:18:26 <Ragnorok> Perhaps next release we'll look at stretch.
Jun 26 19:19:27 <zmatt> yeah ifupdown works okay as long as the network cable is plugged in at boot... but we do need to cope with potential lack of network, hotplugging, and dhcp
Jun 26 19:20:35 <zmatt> and a pile of scripts (such as ifupdown) often impacts boot time more than a systemd replacement written in C
Jun 26 19:20:36 <Ragnorok> We may not have a network cable but afaik static IP doesn't have any issues; it simply uses its config and drives on whether it's valid or not.
Jun 26 19:21:01 <zmatt> ah true
Jun 26 19:21:28 <zmatt> I wouldn't want to have to bother with static IP config though (if it were an option at all)
Jun 26 19:21:54 <Ragnorok> (shrug)  Not my decision.  I'm just implementing as instructed, which is strictly static.
Jun 26 19:22:43 <zmatt> yeah here it's also not really a choice: devices will get deployed on networks that aren't ours and have unknown config, hence static ip isn't even an option for us
Jun 26 19:45:24 <zmatt> hmm, fresh set of am57xx docs released
Jun 26 20:07:48 <zmatt> heh, to those planning to use pcie on the bbx15, you'll need to keep the processor from freezing
Jun 26 20:07:52 <zmatt> i925: PCI-Express Gen2 (5.0 GT/s) Operation Not Supported When Operating Junction Temperature <0°C
Jun 26 20:10:39 <ayjay> LOL
Jun 26 20:16:53 <zmatt> seems to be an operating junction temperature below 0 degrees shouldn't be too hard to remedy using software anyway
Jun 26 20:16:56 <zmatt> *to me
Jun 26 21:07:37 <ayjay> ;-)
Jun 26 21:07:53 <ayjay> whats the biggest most useless programs on the stock image to uninstall on the bbb
Jun 26 21:41:15 <SoggyWaffles> has anyone loaded up pygame with beaglebone debian image?
Jun 27 01:01:39 <noob43> wanting to test usb webcam on bbb, I installed cheese... I think it left me with 0 bytes
Jun 27 01:02:02 <noob43> not sure how much space I had before, but this is what I have now: root@beaglebone:~# df Filesystem     1K-blocks    Used Available Use% Mounted on udev               10240       0     10240   0% /dev tmpfs             100784    8520     92264   9% /run /dev/mmcblk0p1   3706992 3552016         0 100% / tmpfs             251956       4    251952   1% /dev/shm tmpfs               5120       4      5116   1% /run/lock tmpfs            
Jun 27 01:02:41 <noob43> (/devmmcblk0p1 100% use)
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