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Sep 09 11:05:49 <veremit> av500: KotH: jkridner:
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Sep 09 11:22:11 <KotH> veremit: thanks
Sep 09 11:22:37 <veremit> KotH: yw .. the spam is too easily identified :D
Sep 09 11:23:00 <veremit> btw, I -think- you can use Chanserv to kick .. iirc ..
Sep 09 11:23:11 <veremit> saves on the backspam :D
Sep 09 11:23:44 <veremit> can test on me - I'll rejoin :P
Sep 09 11:23:47 <veremit> lol
Sep 09 11:23:57 <Ionakka> can you tell chanserv what to use as kick message?
Sep 09 11:24:01 <veremit> just no ban pls :P
Sep 09 11:24:11 <veremit> Ionakka: probably...
Sep 09 11:25:22 <veremit> maybe not on this versiobn of Services ..
Sep 09 11:25:27 <veremit> or I don't have enough rights to see :/
Sep 09 11:28:50 <veremit> hmm I suspect Services is old .. but Atheme looks capable enough
Sep 09 11:33:56 <Spidler> hehe. :-)
Sep 09 11:34:08 <Spidler> Updating software is hard. ;)
Sep 09 11:34:11 <Spidler> Hmmm
Sep 09 11:42:16 <Velsiol> Which version of gst-ducati do i need on the X15?
Sep 09 11:53:39 <Velsiol> cant seem to build it
Sep 09 12:01:18 <mhoney> Morning
Sep 09 12:01:31 <Velsiol> Morning
Sep 09 12:26:01 <veremit> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Sep 09 12:38:46 <Velsiol> Trying to get hardware accelerated video on the X15 with the default debian image. The debian image does not support it natively, there is also no package available for gstreamer that does this. Trying to build the SDK plugins only yields errors and headaches. Wondering if anyone knows what would be the best path to take.
Sep 09 13:08:11 <appu> hai this sriram from INDIA last week i buy Beagleboardx15 for that i need to give powersupply
Sep 09 13:08:28 <appu> but i have only 12v 2A adaptor,
Sep 09 13:08:58 <appu> in SRM they told that need to use 12v 5A minimum
Sep 09 13:10:13 <appu> hello anybody is there
Sep 09 13:10:44 <Spidler> yes, I'm here. Sadly I can't help you there.
Sep 09 13:10:53 <appu> y
Sep 09 13:11:06 <appu> any problem
Sep 09 13:11:08 <Ragnorok> Searching the 'net says 5A.
Sep 09 13:11:31 <Spidler> I'd guess that the GPU, as well as sata ports and similar does put the requirement around there.
Sep 09 13:11:44 <appu> ok for that shall i give SMPS powersupply
Sep 09 13:11:49 <Spidler> And I'm sure that underpower would have some interesting results.
Sep 09 13:11:52 <bradfa> appu: 12 V 2 A will likely work, but you may end up having over current issues for the power supply if you start using all of the capabilities of the board at once
Sep 09 13:12:48 <appu> ok shall i use SMPS powersupply r only want to use adaptor power supply
Sep 09 13:12:58 <tbr> 2A are likely enough for basic operation
Sep 09 13:13:25 <tbr> you /may/ experience problems if you start attaching power hungry USB devices, while doing other power hungry things
Sep 09 13:13:37 <bradfa> appu: you aren't going to be burning 60 W ( 12 V @ 5 A) on this board, it would likely start on fire at that power level, so I suspect the 5 A requirement is a bit conservative
Sep 09 13:14:41 * bradfa suspects that the 5 A requirement is due to the AM57xx EVM kit which comes with the LCD panel and camera module and SATA interface to power a disk
Sep 09 13:15:07 <tbr> yeah, probably a sum of all power rails etc
Sep 09 13:15:28 <appu> oh ok shall i use PC SMPS for powering Beagleboard x15
Sep 09 13:15:43 <Velsiol> I'm using a lab power supply and i havent gotten it above 1,5A usage
Sep 09 13:15:56 <tbr> you should be able to use the 12V 2A supply
Sep 09 13:16:04 * bradfa runs his am572x IDK board (similar to x15) with 5 V 2.5 A supply and has not seen any issues, if that helps
Sep 09 13:16:14 <bradfa> much lower wattage than you're trying, appu
Sep 09 13:16:22 <appu> yes
Sep 09 13:16:39 <bradfa> appu: just do it
Sep 09 13:17:00 <Ragnorok> You could just try the 2A.  Worst case it'll be unstable and you get a bigger one.  (shrug)
Sep 09 13:17:01 <appu> ok bradfa shall igive PC SMPS powersupply
Sep 09 13:17:44 <bradfa> appu: the 12 V 2 A should work fine, not sure if that's what you mean by PC SMPS...
Sep 09 13:18:53 <tbr> bradfa: I suspect he means "PC SwitchModePowerSupply" aka an ATX brick. Which probably would work too...
Sep 09 13:19:53 <bradfa> tbr: appu if so, just watch for cross loading, if you don't have any load on the 3.3 and 5 V rails, and you try to put a decent load on the 12 V rail, the ATX supply might shutoff due to cross loading issues
Sep 09 13:20:26 <Ragnorok> The 'net has ways to prevent that.  Might look up "PSU bench supply".
Sep 09 13:20:26 <appu> ok Thank you bradfa
Sep 09 13:20:47 <bradfa> just put a power resistor on the 3.3 and 5 V rails (not 5 VSB, the big 5 V rail) to have a constant 250 mA draw or so
Sep 09 13:21:31 <tbr> I've been using an ATX-supply-tester for that purpose. :)
Sep 09 13:21:47 <bradfa> tbr: link to the one you use?
Sep 09 13:22:21 <tbr> ugh. that one I bought 6 thousand years ago, round about when god created earth and dinosaurs roamed earth togather with man
Sep 09 13:22:45 <bradfa> tbr: oh, so must be made of proper materials like lead then! :)
Sep 09 13:23:15 <Ragnorok> And strontium just 'cause it sounds nice.
Sep 09 13:24:13 <tbr> bradfa: housing is extruded Al like this one, but has lots of status LEDs instead of the LC display http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1Pc-Free-Shipping-Computer-PC-Power-Supply-Tester-Checker-20-24-pin-SATA-HDD-ATX-BTX/32531416795.html
Sep 09 13:25:50 * bradfa had a stack of these at $OLDJOB: http://www.keysight.com/en/pd-1000001517%3Aepsg%3Apro-pn-6050A/1800-watt-dc-electronic-load-mainframe?nid=-536902272.536880360&cc=US&lc=eng  very nice :)
Sep 09 13:27:26 <tbr> hehe
Sep 09 18:42:48 <iskander> hi folks
Sep 09 18:43:39 <iskander> does anyone here run yocto on a beaglebone black ?
Sep 09 18:45:36 <iskander> i've got some problems with meta-ti and cape manager
Sep 09 18:46:29 <iskander> i would like to know how to get the cape manager flying with my cryptocape :)
Sep 09 18:47:38 <iskander> any advice would be appreciated, i googled but i'm not able to find anything regarding it
Sep 09 18:50:17 <zmatt> since yocto is all about building a custom-tailored system for an application, it would make more sense to just customize the dtb to add whatever components you use on the crypto cape
Sep 09 18:50:50 <zmatt> (out of curiosity, what *do* you use the crypto cape for?  since it seems to me it has very limited usefulness)
Sep 09 18:51:17 <iskander> i'm just learning and having fun, for now :)
Sep 09 18:51:43 <iskander> i got my cryptocape working with yocto krogoth, but not with met-ti layer
Sep 09 18:52:02 <iskander> meta-ti*
Sep 09 18:52:28 <iskander> i had to patch Linux kernel 4.4 and add cape manager + overlay device tree support
Sep 09 18:52:34 <iskander> and it works
Sep 09 18:52:49 <iskander> but sadly, i have problems with Linux kernel 4.4 PREEMPT_RT
Sep 09 18:53:06 <iskander> my crypto cape can't be initialized
Sep 09 18:53:14 <zmatt> that's possible, but it sounds like effort than just creating a custom .dts
Sep 09 18:53:30 <zmatt> do you actually need PREEMPT_RT ?
Sep 09 18:53:49 <iskander> yocto's Linux kernel 4.4 lacks cape manager and overlay
Sep 09 18:54:08 <iskander> yes, i would like to use it at my job
Sep 09 18:55:31 <iskander> all cape manager and overlay device free patches fro Linux 4.4 can be downloaded from GitHub
Sep 09 18:56:01 <iskander> but it seems there is an issue with PREEMPT_RT kernel
Sep 09 18:56:39 <zmatt> ok, just checking since some people seem to think RT is some magic sauce you can sprinkle over a system and have it be "real-time" (whatever they think that means), while in reality applications need to be designed to take advantage of it and/or thread priorities on the whole system need to be carefully tuned to take advantage of it
Sep 09 18:56:42 <iskander> zmatt: what distro and kernel version are you using, if you don't mind me asking
Sep 09 18:57:13 <zmatt> debian stretch, customized 4.7-bone kernel (currently trying out 4.8-rc5-bone)
Sep 09 18:57:31 <iskander> i have to use yocto, not by choice
Sep 09 18:57:34 <zmatt> custom dt, no overlays, cape manager disabled
Sep 09 18:57:56 <iskander> so just a fixed dtb ?
Sep 09 18:58:22 <zmatt> yes, overlays are just a headache imho
Sep 09 18:59:15 <zmatt> can you can do with them is limited compared to customizing the main dt, writing an overlay is more annoying than customizing the main dt (although I have scripts that ease the pain)
Sep 09 18:59:19 <iskander> yeah, i has a lot of "fun" trying to get it working with yocto
Sep 09 18:59:24 <iskander> had*
Sep 09 18:59:41 <zmatt> their main advantage is being able to configure the kernel for different hardware without rebooting
Sep 09 19:00:01 <zmatt> but to be honest, changing the physical hardware attached is more effort than rebooting
Sep 09 19:01:28 <zmatt> overlays could still be useful to experiment with different DT settings, except that repeatedly loading/unloading an overlay is often a recipe for a kernel panic
Sep 09 19:02:07 <zmatt> so my overall opinion of overlays is: meh.
Sep 09 19:02:41 <iskander> i'm still new to this overlay stuff :)
Sep 09 19:03:06 <iskander> yocto is getting on my nerves too
Sep 09 19:05:02 <iskander> your idea of a static dtb is worth trying, i think
Sep 09 19:05:04 <zmatt> I actually still want to give it a try since I'd much like a smaller system
Sep 09 19:05:35 <iskander> yocto is not bad but it has its disadvantages too
Sep 09 19:05:44 <iskander> as everything else
Sep 09 19:05:58 <zmatt> while being able to apt-get install something when you need it is convenient, cruft tends to accumulate and you might lose track of which package you actually need and which config files you customized
Sep 09 19:07:07 <iskander> yocto supports packages too
Sep 09 19:09:34 <zmatt> btw patching 4.4-rt for capemanager should be perfectly doable of course since there are in fact 4.4-bone-rt and 4.4-ti-rt kernels with overlays and capemanager
Sep 09 19:10:03 <zmatt> it still sounds like more effort than worth it though
Sep 09 19:12:46 <iskander> i did patch yocto's rt kernel 4.4, the crypto cape was identified at boot but couldn't be initialized
Sep 09 19:13:11 <iskander> the same patches applied to yocto's non-rt kernel 4.4 worked just fine
Sep 09 19:13:20 <iskander> and cryptocape works
Sep 09 19:13:20 <zmatt> as in it didn't load the overlay, or it failed to initialize one or more of its components?
Sep 09 19:14:21 <iskander> loader: failed to load slot-3 BB-BONE-CRYPTO:00A0 (prio 0)
Sep 09 19:14:26 <iskander> that's all i got
Sep 09 19:14:46 <zmatt> ah yes another one of the great benefits of overlays: superb error messages
Sep 09 19:14:46 <iskander> i can read eprom of the cape
Sep 09 19:15:06 <iskander> yeah, error messages suck
Sep 09 19:15:15 <iskander> eeprom*
Sep 09 19:15:47 <iskander> it works great with the non-rt kernel 4.4
Sep 09 19:15:53 <iskander> the same patches
Sep 09 19:16:07 <zmatt> is rt really the only difference?
Sep 09 19:16:21 <zmatt> or does meta-ti in fact have a wildly different base dts
Sep 09 19:16:45 <iskander> i tested meta-ti later, it didn't work at all
Sep 09 19:17:06 <iskander> my crypto cape works with original yocto's kernel patched by me
Sep 09 19:17:31 <iskander> meta-ti's kernel didn't even show me any messages about capes
Sep 09 19:17:45 <iskander> that's why i asked, maybe i configured it wrong
Sep 09 19:18:08 <zmatt> I know little about capemanager and nothing about meta-ti :)
Sep 09 19:18:26 <iskander> noone is perfect
Sep 09 19:18:33 <iskander> :P
Sep 09 19:19:25 <iskander> i could find nothing useful on the net about meta-ti and beagle bone black
Sep 09 19:20:05 <iskander> and capes
Sep 09 19:20:29 <iskander> why must be so complicated :/
Sep 09 19:20:38 <iskander> it*
Sep 09 19:20:57 <zmatt> I'm still curious what you hope to use the crypto cape for though :P  it largely seems to provide solutions in search of a problem
Sep 09 19:21:17 <zmatt> why? because you were forced to use yocto and decided to use capemanager? :P
Sep 09 19:21:22 <iskander> i'm a programmer and wanted to learn about TPM, how it works
Sep 09 19:21:45 <iskander> i got it working :) really cool
Sep 09 19:21:56 <iskander> my first experience with TPM
Sep 09 19:22:19 <zmatt> you can download a software TPM
Sep 09 19:22:22 <iskander> and learning about yocto of course in parallel
Sep 09 19:22:59 <iskander> hmm, emulator ?
Sep 09 19:23:00 <zmatt> e.g. http://ibmswtpm.sourceforge.net/
Sep 09 19:23:58 <iskander> cool, didn't know about it
Sep 09 19:24:08 <zmatt> well to be honest, most of the security properties of a TPM can be provided without hardware
Sep 09 19:24:30 <zmatt> (and with better algorithms and less pain than a hardware TPM)
Sep 09 19:24:52 <iskander> but not safe storage for keys, right ?
Sep 09 19:26:20 <zmatt> right, although of course if the system is compromised an attacker can still use the keys until you detect the compromise and remediate the system
Sep 09 19:27:35 <zmatt> and if you detect the compromise you could probably also revoke any keys compromised and install new ones, depending a bit on the application
Sep 09 19:29:03 <iskander> i got some books about TPM but i found them very confusing, reading the source code of tpm-tools helped me more :)
Sep 09 19:29:19 <iskander> most of the books just cite the specs
Sep 09 19:29:59 <zmatt> the probably poor performance might also discourage using crypto as freely as you should be able to
Sep 09 19:30:34 <iskander> yeah, i2c bus is very slow
Sep 09 19:30:38 <iskander> on my cape
Sep 09 19:31:16 <zmatt> it's also a problem with standards that force the use of slow algorithms like RSA, e.g. TLS in older days
Sep 09 19:32:22 <iskander> but as long as you enc/dec only AES keys with TPM, it should be fine, no ?
Sep 09 19:33:37 <zmatt> you normally don't want long-term AES keys for any application at all
Sep 09 19:33:53 <zmatt> ah I misunderstood you
Sep 09 19:34:58 <zmatt> yes in general you use public key crypto only occasionally: for session setup and perhaps occasional rekeying
Sep 09 19:35:54 <zmatt> that may still be a significant cost if session setup latency is important or you have lots of communication partners (e.g. servers)
Sep 09 19:36:07 <iskander> are elliptic curves faster ? i read that TPM 2.o should support it
Sep 09 19:36:25 <iskander> the crypto cape has a TPM 1.2 chip
Sep 09 19:37:31 <zmatt> a lot.  of course with a TPM, performance is entirely dependent on the hardware implementation.  no doubt a cheapass implementation of ECDH could be slower than a quality implementation of DH
Sep 09 19:38:11 <zmatt> (RSA on the other hand is so pig slow it would take an extraordinarily crappy ECC implementation for it to lose :P )
Sep 09 19:38:42 <zmatt> RSA sign/decrypt that is, its verify/encrypt performance is its only virtue
Sep 09 19:40:33 <iskander> i still have a lot of stuff to learn :/ but it is fun to learn new things :)
Sep 09 19:40:59 <iskander> what capes do you use ?
Sep 09 19:41:30 <zmatt> I haven't used any off-the-shelf cape
Sep 09 19:42:05 <iskander> then self-made ? cool, i'm not goot at such things
Sep 09 19:42:28 <zmatt> well we have hw people at the office for that :)
Sep 09 19:43:21 <iskander> i got a new raspberry pi 3 today, no experience with it so far
Sep 09 19:43:36 <iskander> i have to install yocto on it and test
Sep 09 19:44:48 <zmatt> looking at some public benchmark timings of PK algorithms on a bbb... 443 Mcycles for rsa-2048 (dec), 1.33 Gcycles for rsa-3072 (dec)
Sep 09 19:45:51 <zmatt> 21 Mcycles for DH-2048
Sep 09 19:45:56 <iskander> is it true that bbb has a crypto accelerator ?
Sep 09 19:46:38 <iskander> i read somewhere about it and how to use it with openssl
Sep 09 19:46:39 <zmatt> now moving over to ECC: 7.26 Mcycles for nisp-p256, 498 kcycles for curve25519
Sep 09 19:47:48 <zmatt> (1000 times faster than rsa-2048 while having roughly the security level of rsa-3072 iirc)
Sep 09 19:48:38 <zmatt> yeah the bbb has an AES accelerator, a hash accelerator (md5/sha1/sha-256), and a public-key accelerator (modular multiplication engine)
Sep 09 19:48:48 <zmatt> no driver yet for the last one
Sep 09 19:49:22 <zmatt> the other two do have drivers, although at least the aes accelerator supports only a subset of the features of the hw accelerator itself
Sep 09 19:50:56 <zmatt> iirc performance for AES-128 is (depending on mode and not including CCM) 32 or 33 L3-cycles (@ 200 MHz) per 16-byte block
Sep 09 19:51:44 <zmatt> ~ 92.5 MB/s
Sep 09 19:52:37 <zmatt> assuming the driver manages to avoid making itself the bottleneck
Sep 09 19:55:33 <zmatt> (the winner in software PK on the bbb among those tested in eBACS is "kummer", a hyperelliptic curve crypto DH algorithm)
Sep 09 21:13:37 <mhoney> can someone recommend a 2000mah or better lipo battery for the bbb?  Something available in the states.
Sep 09 21:15:48 <veremit> mhoney: best bet is probably to go have a look around adafruit .. the have a few lipos
Sep 09 21:16:03 <mhoney> ok, good idea.  THanks veremit
Sep 09 21:16:38 <veremit> np
Sep 09 21:21:05 <StephaneCharette> Looking for wifi help for my beaglebone green
Sep 09 21:21:16 <StephaneCharette> when I unplug the power and plug it back in, the wifi works fine
Sep 09 21:21:34 <StephaneCharette> but when I issue a "reboot" command or when I press on the "reset" button on the beaglebone, wifi doesn't work.  Have to completely turn off power for it to work again.
Sep 09 21:21:46 <StephaneCharette> is this a known issue?  is there a workaround to reset the wifi without having to pull the power?
Sep 09 21:22:01 <StephaneCharette> I'm using this build:  https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/testing/2016-09-04/seeed-iot/BBGW-blank-debian-8.5-seeed-iot-armhf-2016-09-04-4gb.img.xz
Sep 09 21:27:52 <tbr> StephaneCharette: best report it to rcn himself or on the beagleboard googlegroup
Sep 09 21:52:04 <StephaneCharette> ^^ just realized I wrote "beaglebone green", when I meant to say "beaglebone green wireless"  (BBGW)
Sep 09 22:06:05 <onio> Hi
Sep 09 22:06:06 <veremit> close enough
Sep 09 22:06:37 <onio> I need help trying to get linux kernel to boot up on beaglebone black
Sep 09 22:06:51 <tbr> onio: do you have UART access?
Sep 09 22:07:02 <onio> I get the kernel terminating with "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! exitcode=0x0000000b"
Sep 09 22:07:13 <onio> Yes I do have serial port
Sep 09 22:07:16 <veremit> nice!
Sep 09 22:08:08 <veremit> kernel/initrd mismatch ?
Sep 09 22:08:09 <onio> I am currently trying to build a root file system
Sep 09 22:08:35 <veremit> need some more context to that message ...
Sep 09 22:08:43 <onio> I had problem with initrd so someone suggested to try and use nfs
Sep 09 22:09:31 <onio> this is where the confusion is for me. I have two root files system (1) build by free-electrons (2) build by me
Sep 09 22:10:12 <onio> I am able to boot the board with the root file system created by free-electron but not the one I built
Sep 09 22:10:53 <onio> I am booting the free-electrons root file system via nfs and that work happily
Sep 09 22:12:31 <onio> I am making the switch of the two fs by setting u-boot bootargs to set the path to the nfsroot directory
Sep 09 22:15:30 <veremit> oh my .. that's ... yeah .. if the options get mixed up .. you will have problems, yes
Sep 09 22:16:04 <onio> when you say get mixed up what do you mean?
Sep 09 22:16:06 <veremit> you will need uboot to do networking or an initrd to bring nfs up ..
Sep 09 22:16:24 <veremit> but if you use uboot networking .. you'll be pulling the kernel via network too
Sep 09 22:16:36 <veremit> I don't know any half-way house
Sep 09 22:18:08 <onio> u-boot is kind of doing some networking as it uses dhcp to get the board ip address
Sep 09 22:19:43 <onio> When u-boot boots up. I use fatload mmc 0:1 <address> <image>
Sep 09 22:19:55 <onio> to download image to board
Sep 09 22:21:43 <onio> at this point if I set bootargs to point to path to the of the nfsroot created by free-electrons then the board boots up correctly
Sep 09 22:21:55 <onio> using NFS
Sep 09 22:23:30 <onio> how ever when I change to using the one I built it does not. No the only difference I can see between them is the rootfs both are been loaded by NFS
Sep 09 22:25:18 <mhoney> is there any disadvantage to powering the bbb through microusb?
Sep 09 22:26:24 <veremit> mhoney: I've never seen a microUSB on a BBB ..
Sep 09 22:26:36 <mhoney> sorry, mini usb
Sep 09 22:27:01 <veremit> the main caveats with USB connections is their current capacity .. you will be limited in what you can do with it
Sep 09 22:27:20 <mhoney> i just want to run a simple web server from the bbbb
Sep 09 22:27:24 <veremit> eg. usb peripherals, ethernet ...
Sep 09 22:28:22 <mhoney> headless even ;)
Sep 09 22:28:45 <veremit> headless *and* wireless is the one to beat XD
Sep 09 22:29:17 <mhoney> dont have a bb green ;(
Sep 09 22:29:34 <mhoney> and it looks like the bbb enhanced didnt make its goal ;(
Sep 09 22:30:13 <veremit> I thought they weere gonna build anyhow...
Sep 09 22:30:25 <mhoney> oh really?  Awesome!
Sep 09 22:30:46 <veremit> thats what I read before ..  I think
Sep 09 22:31:37 <mhoney> awesome, wonder when we'll see it hit the street?
Sep 09 22:32:19 <veremit> A While(Tm) I should imagine .. these things never go quick
Sep 09 23:32:35 <zmatt> veremit, mhoney: yeah SanCloud still gave an update a month ago: http://www.sancloud.co.uk/?p=327
Sep 09 23:36:32 <zmatt> and the bb green wireless is pretty stupidly designed
Sep 09 23:40:02 <zmatt> I wonder why onio was going through the complication of root-NFS instead of just programming his rootfs onto eMMC or μSD card
Sep 09 23:40:44 <veremit> seemed messy to me .. but eh..
Sep 09 23:41:06 <veremit> time for some Zzzz .. bbl I-)
Sep 09 23:41:23 <zmatt> "I had problem with initrd so someone suggested to try and use nfs"
Sep 09 23:41:32 <zmatt> I wonder why that person didn't simply suggest removing the initrd
Sep 09 23:41:40 <zmatt> you don't actually need one on a BBB
Sep 09 23:42:26 <zmatt> sleep? this early in the night?
Sep 10 00:09:42 <mhoney> never
Sep 10 01:27:30 <zmatt> lol, v6 of the patchset that enables support for the power button just hit the linux-omap list
Sep 10 01:28:27 <zmatt> and in another thread someone referring to overlays using the future tense
Sep 10 01:28:42 <zmatt> good reminder that there's really still some considerable distance between -bone kernels and mainline
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