**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 30 02:59:58 2016 Sep 30 06:11:48 hi... i want to dulicate identical BeagleBone Black setups. for this, i am following this link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17834561/duplicating-identical-beaglebone-black-setups Sep 30 06:15:56 8 gb sdcard card of bbb is inserted through sd card slot and new 8gb sdcard for taking backup is connected via usb hub. now the problem is in the initial step i.e; i have to boot bbb with new sdcard. my bbb donot power up. and without this new sdcard it is working fine. what should i do? Sep 30 07:13:13 hi there! Sep 30 07:18:25 hi... i want to dulicate identical BeagleBone Black setups. for this, i am following this link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17834561/duplicating-identical-beaglebone-black-setups new 8gb sdcard for taking backup is connected via usb hub because its own sdcard card is in sdcard slot. now the problem is in the  initial step i.e; i have to boot bbb with new sdcard. my bbb is not powering on and without new sdcard  it is workin Sep 30 07:32:28 Hi there! I want to use the build in eeprom of my bbgw. Is this a good idea for a beginner? i want to write and read data to it. Sep 30 07:33:20 I'd start by reading from it Sep 30 07:33:21 i read, that you have to be very careful to dont overwrite important data for boot Sep 30 07:34:47 yes, you might want to get yourself a separate I²C eeprom for playing around and writing to it Sep 30 07:35:03 i read eeprom in this directory: /sys/bus/i2c-0/0-0050/ is this correct? Sep 30 07:35:13 those things should be really cheap, even as a small pcb with header Sep 30 07:35:25 "try and find out" Sep 30 07:36:14 ok, thx. i will play around with external eeprom than. Sep 30 07:37:28 hi... i want to dulicate identical BeagleBone Black setups. for this, i am following this link: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17834561/duplicating-identical-beaglebone-black-setups new 8gb sdcard for taking backup is connected via usb hub because its own sdcard card is in sdcard slot. now the problem is in the  initial step i.e; i have to boot bbb with new sdcard. my bbb is not powering on and without new sdcard  it is workin Sep 30 07:37:38 i got another question. is it necessary to implement dtb file when you work with GPIOs on beaglebone? Sep 30 07:38:32 https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20160929233732&SearchText=i2c+eeprom+module - lots of modules for cheap out there (if you are willing to wait a few weeks) Sep 30 07:38:52 thx tbr Sep 30 07:39:47 at24c256 seems common Sep 30 07:40:52 ??? Sep 30 07:40:57 do i need a dtb for gpio use, or can i just write to "file" in my c code on beaglebone? Sep 30 07:42:08 mk__: there is a script for your purpose https://github.com/RobertCNelson/boot-scripts/blob/master/tools/eMMC/beaglebone-black-make-microSD-flasher-from-eMMC.sh Sep 30 07:42:34 BBGw_Rookie: you mean are going to use libsoc (https://github.com/jackmitch/libsoc) Sep 30 07:43:16 tbr: ohk so what i have to do with this script? Sep 30 07:44:04 mk__: http://stackoverflow.com/a/36153910/2648865 - from the question you pointed to. ofc works only if you run debian Sep 30 07:45:17 tbr: oh, du bist du heute der Erklärbär? Sep 30 07:46:39 tbr: ohk thanku Sep 30 07:48:19 yegorich? Sep 30 07:48:53 BBGw_Rookie: you've asked, if you can write directly to a /sys/class/gpio/..? Sep 30 07:50:05 BBGw_Rookie: you can use libsoc a C library, that would hide /sys/class/gpio calls from you Sep 30 07:50:41 BBGw_Rookie: as for DTB you just need to make sure these pins are not pinmuxed for some othe mode than GPIO Sep 30 07:51:14 thinkfat: *brummmmm* Sep 30 07:51:45 * KotH reicht tbr einen teddybären Sep 30 07:51:54 * tbr bears with it! Sep 30 07:54:28 tbr: auf zmatt passt der begriff besser, der ist brummiger :-) Sep 30 08:01:04 hrhr Sep 30 08:01:13 I got SPI0 working now, but SPI1 is not working. I get the following in dmesg http://pastebin.com/Ax3V9JBY Sep 30 08:02:20 ok thx. yegorich! Sep 30 08:15:42 Why is it that the SPI SCLK pins are configured as inputs in the .DTS-file? Sep 30 08:34:04 is it possible to activate can0 and can1 on beaglebone green? Sep 30 08:36:45 hmm? Sep 30 08:37:35 tommer: spi reads its own clock signal back to clock the shift register Sep 30 08:37:59 configuring the pin as output would disable the receiver and cause data transfer to hang Sep 30 08:38:42 thinkfat: it's kinda rude to talk about someone in a foreign language Sep 30 08:40:02 zmatt: no worries, all in good humor Sep 30 08:40:41 zmatt: there's no equivalent to Erklärbar in English that I'm aware of Sep 30 08:41:04 zmatt: ok, im just trying to debug BB-SPIDEV1.. I get SPIDEV0 working perfectly but not SPIDEV1. Is there a special way to disable HDMI in the new kernel? Sep 30 08:41:20 zmatt: and not to "bärbeissig" either :-) Sep 30 08:42:32 tommer: check with my show-pins utility with show-pins -vv | grep 'spi 1' Sep 30 08:43:19 can you read, what i am typing? Sep 30 08:43:22 tommer: to ensure the signal needed are mapped to exactly one pin Sep 30 08:43:24 BBGw_Rookie0: yes Sep 30 08:43:33 ok, thx Sep 30 08:44:13 when i want to use libsoc with beaglebonegreen. can i use beaglebone_black.conf as my board_file? Sep 30 08:44:14 BBGw_Rookie0: you can activate can0 and can1 if and only if you the necessary pins (iirc only one possibility for each on the beaglebones) are not occupied by anything else Sep 30 08:44:35 BBGw_Rookie0: the can1 pins are free on the bbb, can0 can be freed up by disabling cape-manager Sep 30 08:44:50 dunno about the bbgw, you'd need to check Sep 30 08:44:55 i managed to get can1 working Sep 30 08:45:36 when i disable cape-manager, do i have to mux the can pinx manually? Sep 30 08:45:56 what do you mean by that? Sep 30 08:46:28 i activated a can1 with cape-manager. Sep 30 08:46:43 you mux pins either by including suitable pinmux in the main dts or by loading an overlay via configfs Sep 30 08:46:51 when i disable it, can1 is deactiveted... the mux for working with can is deleted, right? Sep 30 08:47:13 or, for backwards compat with 3.8 kernels, by force-loading a "CAPE" Sep 30 08:47:14 ah, i used an overlay i think to work with can1 Sep 30 08:47:30 i use 4.4 i think ....? Sep 30 08:47:38 yeah cape-manager was typically (ab)used for loading overlays before the configfs mechanism was introduced Sep 30 08:48:31 I made some simple utils for working with overlays via configfs available here: https://github.com/mvduin/overlay-utils (in bin/) Sep 30 08:48:59 lol I just noticed I managed to type omaptible instead of compatible Sep 30 08:49:33 i want to build a can-wifi gateway. i use the beaglebone green wireless. i just started with bbgw and with linux Sep 30 08:49:46 thx zmatt Sep 30 08:50:26 ah so you're new to linux, to embedded linux, to the beaglebones, and the bbgw specifically :) Sep 30 08:50:44 right... hard stuff :) Sep 30 08:51:28 my problem is - there is not that much documentation with bbgw and 4.4 Sep 30 08:51:49 bbb and 3.8 is well documented and there is a lot of topics in forums Sep 30 08:52:07 3.8 is terribly old though, but you're right that there is a serious shortage of updated documentation Sep 30 08:52:08 derek molly Sep 30 08:52:39 i make progress very slowly... Sep 30 08:52:43 I personally don't support anyone still using 3.8 though... I'm not that much into archeology Sep 30 08:55:06 would you use libsoc to read/write with external eeprom? Sep 30 08:55:44 I've never used libsoc Sep 30 08:56:29 you can declare an external eeprom in DT to get an nvmem node in sysfs which you can read/write like a normal file Sep 30 08:59:33 for example a DT fragment for the on-board EEPROM would be http://pastebin.com/pZE7TqNr Sep 30 08:59:53 documentation about those properties can be found at https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/eeprom/ Sep 30 09:00:38 ah I see that the binding has changed somewhat, although the pasted DT node still works thanks to backwards compat of course Sep 30 09:00:54 nm, I looked at the wrong file Sep 30 09:02:04 eeprom.txt is about i2c eeprom, at25.txt is about spi eeprom Sep 30 09:02:32 hm Sep 30 09:03:59 you can compile a device tree fragment into an overlay using the makefile of https://github.com/mvduin/overlay-utils Sep 30 09:04:15 what is the better approach, to write one single overlay or multiple overlays for different "devices" Sep 30 09:04:27 ok, thx zmatt Sep 30 09:04:38 to be honest I use a custom dts instead of overlays myself Sep 30 09:06:00 which you may need to do anyway to get rid of cape-manager and free up those pins... you can try doing it with an overlay but in my experience the kernel doesn't always appreciate attempts to remove/disable stuff using an overlay Sep 30 09:07:17 what is the main difference between overlay and dts? Sep 30 09:07:50 Does Yocto have X15 support yet? Sep 30 09:07:59 overlays are runtime patches to the device tree Sep 30 09:08:08 or can i use the AM57xx-EVM layer Sep 30 09:08:46 the compiled main device tree uses suffix .dtb, overlays use .dtbo Sep 30 09:08:46 you can load/unload at any time Sep 30 09:09:06 in theory... although I've seen unloading cause a kernel panic often enough Sep 30 09:09:36 basically overlays are still kinda experimental (and not yet part of mainline linux) Sep 30 09:09:51 even though they've already been used for years now Sep 30 09:10:56 but it introduced dynamic device changes into code that was previously never subject to such flexibility Sep 30 09:11:19 and please don't send private messages Sep 30 09:11:54 ack Sep 30 09:13:02 so you would configure your gpio/devices in one dtb file? Sep 30 09:13:10 the main device tree is composed of a main .dts file which typically includes lots of other .dtsi files that contain common parts of multiple device trees (e.g. variants of a SoC or board) Sep 30 09:13:50 yeah we use a small project with a makefile similar to the same in overlay-utils but which compiles all device trees we use on various devices instead Sep 30 09:13:58 *to the one Sep 30 09:16:16 do you know where i can find this master dts file in bbgw? Sep 30 09:17:18 https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-stable-rcn-ee/blob/4.4.19-ti-r41/arch/arm/boot/dts/am335x-bonegreen-wireless.dts replace the 4.4.19-ti-r41 in the url by the applicable kernel version Sep 30 09:18:12 thx! Sep 30 09:18:27 (I personally maintain our own DTs outside the kernel tree, but I know what I'm doing ;-) Sep 30 09:20:16 @zmatt Are you the one creating the BB images? Sep 30 09:20:21 no Sep 30 09:20:40 Ah okay Sep 30 09:20:54 that's rcn, who used to be here often but at some point he stopped coming here for some reason Sep 30 09:22:08 Ah all-right, yeah theres something wrong with the image but im not sure if i am being special or if its the image Sep 30 09:23:02 zmatt, would you edit this file now, to activate can1 (like with overlay)? Sep 30 09:24:46 BBGw_Rookie0: at least make a copy of it to customize. also, do you have a serial debug cable to recover in case it doesn't boot? Sep 30 09:26:04 you can check am335x-boneblack-custom.dts for inspiration, it has cape-manager disabled Sep 30 09:26:42 tbr: r u there? Sep 30 09:27:06 you basically need a 3-way merge of boneblack-custom.dts and bonegreen-wireless.dts with common parent boneblack.dts Sep 30 09:28:41 ok Sep 30 09:29:43 if i edit something wrong in the dts, wont my bbgw boot anymore? Sep 30 09:29:51 btw lines 57-74 of the bonegreen-wireless.dts (in the version I linked to anyway) are pointless: the opp declaration because the older silicon mentioned will never be found on a bbgw, the uart3 and mmc3 status="okay" declarations because they are already in wl1835.dtsi Sep 30 09:30:09 mk__: you can ask general questions, you know. don't need to wait for particularly me... Sep 30 09:31:39 BBGw_Rookie0: it varies depending on the mistake; some will caught by the device tree compiler, some are harmless or will just render some functionality inoperable, but yeah it is also not too hard to render a system unbootable Sep 30 09:32:00 this is very easy to recover from once you're used to it, but very hard to diagnose without a serial debug cable Sep 30 09:34:08 ohk.. u know the problem thats why i called ur name. well, i wanted to ask that my bbb is not getting up after pressing boot button.even with new sd card or without sd card Sep 30 09:34:45 mk__: attach UART adapter to debug port, inspect messages → ... → profit! Sep 30 09:36:39 ohk Sep 30 09:37:13 BBGw_Rookie0: if you have a linux host system and boot from sd card you can easily just fix the /boot/uEnv.txt to disable your custom dtb (which is why you should always use a different name for it rather than overwriting the original) Sep 30 09:38:26 i use eMMC.... Sep 30 09:40:08 BBGw_Rookie0: if you boot from eMMC you can interrupt it in u-boot and manually boot with a different dtb e.g. using the following -> http://pastebin.com/7yCPtzv6 Sep 30 09:40:19 (via debug console) Sep 30 09:41:03 unfortunately since flow control lines aren't pinned out and u-boot's serial driver sucks you can't copy-paste more than one or two lines of commands at a time Sep 30 09:41:22 BBGw_Rookie0: you do have a UART debug adapter cable, right? Sep 30 09:41:34 (flow control not being connected to the serial header still pisses me off) Sep 30 09:41:53 especially since the pins are available, on both the header and on the processor Sep 30 09:41:54 no i dont. i only got a eth connection with my host Sep 30 09:42:01 not eth, wireless Sep 30 09:42:05 then you should order one immediately Sep 30 09:42:12 ok, thx! Sep 30 09:42:32 indeed, without one you're blind if you need to debug boot issues Sep 30 09:42:36 you mean this 6port header pins, right? Sep 30 09:42:41 5-pin Sep 30 09:42:47 right Sep 30 09:42:47 eh 6 Sep 30 09:42:52 6 i unused Sep 30 09:42:58 3 unused unfortunately Sep 30 09:43:00 :) Sep 30 09:43:25 just feed "usb uart" to e.g. ebay search and you'll find cheap stuff (or pay more for quick delivery) Sep 30 09:43:33 ok, can you recommend some adapter? Sep 30 09:43:59 tbr: of course if you go too cheap there's a risk of getting crap :P Sep 30 09:44:18 CP2102 based ones are cheap and apparently work, FTDI based ones are more expensive or counterfeit, prolific based ones I don't know Sep 30 09:44:31 I only have experience with ftdi ones Sep 30 09:44:35 so when i use the uart debug adapter i can "see" the bootlog live? Sep 30 09:44:38 i.e. the top one at http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Black_Serial Sep 30 09:44:59 yeah, I mostly have FTDI too (at least one of them is fake though) Sep 30 09:45:40 do get a 3.3v cable... while the console buffer is 5v-tolerant (pretty much the only I/O on the beaglebones that is), not all 5v cables correctly receive the 3.3v output from the beaglebone Sep 30 09:47:07 yeah, you see the boot progress (although most of it hidden by default by the kernel parameter "quiet" being set in uEnv.txt) and more importantly errors and panics Sep 30 09:51:14 the kernel also supports logging via network but I've never tested this via ethernet let alone wireless (it requires that the driver can send packets even with interrupts disabled and the kernel in an arbitrary state), and wifi is definitely no use for boot logging since it first needs to be associated with a network Sep 30 09:52:56 ok I'm afk Sep 30 09:54:50 tbr: my bbb is turning on as normal if i dont press boot button. but it donot turn on when boot button is pressed Sep 30 09:55:20 < tbr> mk__: attach UART adapter to debug port, inspect messages → ... → profit! Sep 30 09:55:36 ok, i got a ftdi rs232 3v3 now Sep 30 09:55:54 3 pins right? ground, rx tx Sep 30 09:58:23 3 pins are enough, yes Sep 30 09:59:17 the main benefit of the 6-pin cable is not having to remember which pin goes where Sep 30 09:59:22 (ok, really afk now) Sep 30 10:01:50 Unless you put it in the wrong direction Sep 30 10:04:59 what serial terminal do you prefer in linux? Sep 30 10:07:21 * tbr uses 'screen' for quick things and minicom for more involved things Sep 30 10:11:43 si hvae mixed results from minicom Sep 30 10:19:26 ok, it works! thx. i am using minicom now Sep 30 10:24:52 I use screen Sep 30 10:25:40 Velsiol: remembering black = pin 1 = dotted on the pcb is not hard though Sep 30 10:27:12 i used jumper cables to connect adapter to header. my borrowed adapter only got 2mm pinheader Sep 30 10:28:22 works too Sep 30 10:31:52 afk Sep 30 10:34:17 in case anyone is interested, I use this wrapper script for screen: http://pastebin.com/3vxzqhqe Sep 30 10:39:04 huh what is that pointless shift doing there... leftover from an older version Sep 30 10:40:00 afk again Sep 30 11:21:04 back again Sep 30 12:05:06 hi all Sep 30 12:05:17 is there a tool like a dtb rebuilder? Sep 30 12:21:12 zmatt: I really like your bbb-pin-utils.. I loaded the BB-SPIDEV1 without errors on dmesg, but its not showing up in the show-pins.. Any ideas? Sep 30 12:25:06 Neat, new RCN image boots up the dsp's fine but now cmem wont work Sep 30 13:08:04 tommer: not sure, bad error reporting is one of the many reasons why overlays suck Sep 30 13:09:48 hmm Sep 30 13:10:22 I did a kernel upgrade, and loading BB-SPIDEV1 results in spidev1.0 and spidev1.1 in /dev/... weird Sep 30 13:13:33 tommer: due to two moronic lines of code in the omap2-mcspi driver the spi devices are numbered 1-based in order of appearance Sep 30 13:14:17 https://github.com/dutchanddutch/bb-kernel/blob/HEAD/patches/fixes/0001-spi-omap2-mcspi-leave-bus_num-allocation-to-spi-core.patch Sep 30 13:14:37 I should probably try to upstream that patch Sep 30 13:15:20 yeah Sep 30 13:15:55 combined with https://github.com/dutchanddutch/bb-kernel/blob/6e3bce2ef7533dc25dc6ac7f7fae2f6d775b36c0/patches/fixes/0002-ARM-am33xx.dtsi-fix-spi-dev-numbering-via-DT.patch to ensure proper static assignment Sep 30 13:16:55 although I don't actually rely on static assignment anymore anyway, I just label devices in DT and use an udev rule to create e.g. /dev/spi/dsp or /dev/spi/flash Sep 30 13:20:24 Well, if I now try to load SPI0 after SPI1 overlay, I get this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/xBmLAvy6 Sep 30 13:22:06 weird thing: its working.. Sep 30 13:23:34 Hello People Sep 30 13:29:19 zmatt: I tried doing spi reads from both peripherals using pthreads and it is not using both simulatenously.. Sep 30 13:32:03 I am trying to get a USB IP connection working via the second USB port (not the mini-usb port) to a raspberry pi zero. So far no luck. Everything works via the mini-usb port. What do I have to do to get the big one working as a network interface? Sep 30 13:32:28 It’s on a beaglebone black btw. Sep 30 13:33:18 With Debian 8 and kernel 4.1.30-ti-r69 Sep 30 14:01:43 tommer: euh, I'm pretty sure it ought to, though I'll admit I haven't tried Sep 30 14:02:35 johanhenselmans: you want to abuse the host port as second device port? Sep 30 14:06:38 zmatt: Ive been using pthreads for this.. http://pastebin.com/GQHLGK8q Sep 30 14:07:22 spawning a new thread for each transfer... how efficient Sep 30 14:08:19 I think I would still have expected to see simultaneous transfers Sep 30 14:08:36 yes, but it seems the ioctl call is blocking.. Sep 30 14:10:38 it is, which is why I would expect simultaneous transfers Sep 30 14:11:37 which kernel version are you using? Sep 30 14:12:17 4.4.22-ti-r50 Sep 30 14:15:05 maybe try 4.7.5-bone3 or 4.4.22-ti-rt-r50 Sep 30 14:15:26 or 4.4.22-bone-rt-r13 Sep 30 14:16:09 can you check grep PREEMPT /boot/config-$(uname -r) Sep 30 14:16:51 http://pastebin.com/Lx91uk9f Sep 30 14:17:49 euh, it's using PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY instead of PREEMPT_LL ?? Sep 30 14:18:49 is it possible to change it? Sep 30 14:19:37 yeah, piece of cake if you have a decently beefy machine to recompile the kernel Sep 30 14:20:21 or well, a typical x86 desktop can handle it nowadays even if you need to wait a bit Sep 30 14:20:34 ive got plenty of cores Sep 30 14:20:43 if i try to git clone, there is an error: git-remote-https: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libssh2.so.1: invalid ELF header Sep 30 14:20:44 running debian? Sep 30 14:20:53 BBGw_Rookie: ehhhh Sep 30 14:20:55 ubuntu Sep 30 14:22:18 sorry, i try to get things running with dts file, but i cant download/clone with git... cant find any solution Sep 30 14:22:29 but first try the rt version of the kernel Sep 30 14:27:14 BBGw_Rookie: Clone it to your desktop computer and transfer the files using scp -r folder/ user@beagleboneip:/home/beagleboneuser/ Sep 30 14:27:54 zmatt: im a bit unfamiliar with the rt patch, can you link me with some up-to-date information related to using this on the beaglebone? Sep 30 14:29:00 tommer: apt-get install, then even without any rt features you at least have the equivalent of PREEMPT_LL Sep 30 14:29:09 @tommer thx Sep 30 14:29:36 BBGw_Rookie: that error suggests you have a seriously broken git install Sep 30 14:30:00 "invalid ELF header" is not something you want to see Sep 30 14:30:15 unless you accidently are trying to execute stuff on the wrong architecture Sep 30 14:31:51 i purged git, and when i download it again it downloads armhf version Sep 30 14:35:51 ok, will scp from host to beaglebone Sep 30 14:36:04 see you! Sep 30 14:36:54 * zmatt blinks Sep 30 14:39:42 zmatt: that is correct. The mini usb port does not supply power, the big one does. Sep 30 14:42:54 right, because a device port doesn't supply power, a host port does Sep 30 14:45:05 I'll try the RT patch this weekend, thanks alot for much help this week zmatt! Sep 30 15:41:49 ok ill sell all my beaglebones Sep 30 15:42:03 20 for $500 Sep 30 16:08:12 ogres: an unhappy customer? Sep 30 16:08:49 wut? That price is unrealistic given the data you've provided the last week or so. Some stranger on eBay ... sure. Sep 30 16:08:57 hah Sep 30 16:09:09 i dont want em because i cant use them as firewalls Sep 30 16:09:20 i will only keep 2 though Sep 30 16:09:20 firewalls? Sep 30 16:09:22 yea Sep 30 16:09:33 i was going to build firewalls with them Sep 30 16:09:35 why would you want to use them as firewalls in the first place? Sep 30 16:09:47 they only have a single nic Sep 30 16:09:48 small and cheap Sep 30 16:09:54 yea but i was going to add one Sep 30 16:09:54 lol Sep 30 16:10:06 heh Sep 30 16:10:19 Sell them for what you paid, plus maybe a buck for postage, and chalk it up to learning. Sep 30 16:10:22 ogres: http://pcengines.ch/apu2.htm Sep 30 16:10:28 ogres: this is what you want Sep 30 16:10:37 yep Sep 30 16:10:40 ALIX is what I suggested from the start. Sep 30 16:11:22 Ragnorok: alix is old Sep 30 16:11:52 It's a firwall. It doesn't need to be fast. But whatever. The same company has a newer one. Same-same. Use this. Sep 30 16:12:19 "company" :) Sep 30 16:12:26 you make it sound like a huge enterprise :) Sep 30 16:12:39 One person can be company. I didn't imply size. Sep 30 16:13:07 It's a branding: PC-Engines. They are a company, or at last a DBA. Sep 30 16:13:45 DBA? Sep 30 16:13:48 What else would I call that? Sep 30 16:13:51 and yes, it's a single person Sep 30 16:13:53 Doing Business As. Sep 30 16:13:56 ah.. Sep 30 16:14:03 would you want to buy them ragnorok? Sep 30 16:14:04 It's the next step below LLC. Sep 30 16:14:07 * KotH is not fluent in three leter acronymes Sep 30 16:14:18 I had a DBA for while. That's the only reason I know. Sep 30 16:15:59 ogres: Not at that price, and not all of them. I expect if you sell them at cost a bunch of people may buy a handful at a time. ayjay_t has expressed interest in a few, and I'd be interested in a few. They should be pretty good seriously overpowered little networked control things. Sep 30 16:16:20 at what price Sep 30 16:17:52 I bought 9 of the half beagles for $5 a piece, and one full for $20 Sep 30 16:17:55 the full I will keep Sep 30 16:18:12 the other 12 are brand new half beagles Sep 30 16:18:57 What's a "half beagle"? You mentioned no power or USB. Sep 30 16:19:23 thats the half beagle Sep 30 16:19:54 half beagle to me = no USB(neither of the two USB's)/Power/HDMI Sep 30 16:19:54 only ethernet Sep 30 16:20:09 no SD's Sep 30 16:20:11 SD card Sep 30 16:20:23 OK. You mentioned paying $2 each about four days ago. At cost would be that price. I don't *need* them, or even have a use for them, but if they're actually $2 per, I'd grab some just because. I have four or five other ARM boards in that "may be nice" pile, all of which were free. Why not add a few more? Sep 30 16:20:53 ok Sep 30 16:21:05 ya the price changed to $5 at the last minute Sep 30 16:21:08 and I still think it was a good deal Sep 30 16:21:22 but the other 12 were 2 Sep 30 16:21:40 brand new Sep 30 16:21:56 now i really dont want to sell them because my intent was to use it for educational purposes but I really cant use them Sep 30 16:22:06 unless intend to make another project Sep 30 16:22:07 I don't mind some of the other 12. All I want is working Ethernet, and working PRU. I could care less about anything else. Sep 30 16:23:17 which of the chips is a PRU Sep 30 16:23:36 so i can see if it has it Sep 30 16:23:37 They're on the SoC. If it's an AM335x it should have PRus. Sep 30 16:23:42 ah okay Sep 30 16:24:07 let me try and put the lot up on ebay first Sep 30 16:24:07 and see what happens Sep 30 16:24:16 Roit toe. I'm sure they'll go. Sep 30 16:24:26 for $500? Sep 30 16:25:06 am still going to keep two of them because I know they'll be useful Sep 30 16:25:09 Hard to say. It's eBay. Sep 30 16:25:12 ok Sep 30 16:25:26 what I REALLY love about these Sep 30 16:25:30 But if you only paid $5 for them why be greedy? Sell them $10 and be happy. Sep 30 16:25:32 are it's support for JS Sep 30 16:25:50 buy low sell high :p Sep 30 16:26:07 also also when you avg it out Sep 30 16:26:11 its pretty much 6.5 a piece Sep 30 16:26:16 for the 10 Sep 30 16:26:20 since i bought one for 20 Sep 30 16:27:31 If you decide to sell me a few of the $2 ones at cost, PM me. Sep 30 17:05:12 zmatt: are you telling me that will not work? Sep 30 18:08:02 tlab: Did you get the tt3201 to work? Sep 30 18:36:01 johanhenselmans: I don't really understand what you Sep 30 18:36:05 're trying to do Sep 30 18:37:37 you can probably reconfigure the host port to act as device port, but then you remarked that the device port doesn't deliver power, which is correct but leaves me puzzled what your point with that is Sep 30 18:38:09 if you reconfigure the host port as device port it will also not deliver power, it will expect to receive it (although it will not draw any significant power from it) Sep 30 18:40:05 ogres: if your butchered BBB-clones have an am3352 instead of an am3358 then you do not have PRUSS Sep 30 18:40:43 how do I know if it has AM3358? Sep 30 18:41:09 read the part code printed on the processor Sep 30 18:42:27 on real BBBs it reads AM3358BZCZ100 (except some of the early revisions) Sep 30 18:42:59 are you telling me you love their support of javascript? Sep 30 18:43:05 thats why you really like them? Sep 30 18:43:08 because they support javascript? Sep 30 18:43:24 man the whole internet supports javascript Sep 30 18:43:41 and Ragnorok: what are you doing ethernets and prus? Sep 30 18:43:54 javascript sucks Sep 30 18:50:50 Is it possible to get kernel drivers to print out more messages? Like a flag, when recompiling ther kernel, or do i need to add printk to the driver and compile recompile it? Sep 30 18:51:50 ok let me see zmatt Sep 30 18:52:24 yep it says 3352 Sep 30 18:54:41 I see the exact model going on ebay for $55 new and $35 used though Sep 30 18:58:32 I hope the sellers don't pretend it's a BBB Sep 30 18:59:39 nah they dont Sep 30 18:59:44 whats the difference anyway? Sep 30 19:01:09 between the 3352 and the 3358 ? Sep 30 19:01:12 yeah Sep 30 19:01:50 there are some sellers with 3359 Sep 30 19:02:30 am3352 lacks pruss and 3d graphics accelerator Sep 30 19:03:23 am3359 additionally has ethercat support, but this wouldn't be usable since it is incompatible with the bbb's pcb layout Sep 30 19:03:35 its pin usage I should say Sep 30 19:05:03 ah Sep 30 19:05:03 what is pruss? Sep 30 19:05:29 by far the coolest feature of the beaglebones :P Sep 30 19:05:40 oh Sep 30 19:07:22 ayjay_t: Nothing specifically, but if I had a handful of clones w/o power, usb, or hdmi I could figure something out. (grin) Sep 30 19:07:35 Ragnorok: except they don't have pru Sep 30 19:07:54 They don't. Ugh. Well there's that then. Sep 30 19:08:05 I knew I should have looked up the SoC part. Sep 30 19:12:01 its too bad ogres doesn't have prus Sep 30 20:44:38 laurittr: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/dynamic-debug-howto.txt Sep 30 20:45:32 a very awesome kernel feature :) Sep 30 20:49:07 anyone know if the latest FreeBSD is supported on BB Black? Sep 30 20:55:56 zmatt: Looks like a spiffy feature, kernel or otherwise. Sep 30 20:57:37 it's pretty neat that the debug prints are basically zero-cost when they are disabled (they become an unconditional branch that skips the debug print) Sep 30 20:58:55 which also means they can be sprinkled around quite freely Sep 30 20:59:12 Yeah. Sep 30 21:01:36 hi all Sep 30 21:02:56 hi there, i'm trying to compile mit-scheme (https://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/) on Angstrom and have been seeing the following error, any thoughts? Sep 30 21:02:58 checking for native-code support... configure: error: unable to determine native-code type Sep 30 21:03:04 This occurs during ./configure Sep 30 21:07:56 where did you get the recipe ? Sep 30 21:15:04 hi Sep 30 21:16:29 BBGw_Rookie: do you have a question? if so, you should ask it. all on one line, with details. Sep 30 21:18:06 is there a c library to read/write eeprom? what about libsoc? Sep 30 21:19:36 ds2: were you asking me about the recipe or was that related to something else? Sep 30 21:23:31 i mean ioctls Sep 30 22:53:27 anyone wanna buy these 20 beaglebones for $400? Sep 30 23:00:59 * zmatt slaps ogres Sep 30 23:01:05 they are _not_ beaglebones Sep 30 23:08:28 zmatt: while i wasn't really tempted by anonymous post of X beaglebones for $400 - it's nice to know they aren't actually beaglebones Sep 30 23:24:44 they're custom clones intended as controllers for some bitcoin mining rig, they stripped everything that wasn't useful for that application (usb host/device, hdmi, buttons) and used an am3352 instead of am3358 (no gpu, no pruss) Sep 30 23:25:16 I'm also not sure whether they have eMMC... there's some micron chip but it's on the bottom side instead of top side and it's not a bga Sep 30 23:25:32 ah nm that's a different version yet again Sep 30 23:26:29 from a few days ago: < ogres> http://i.imgur.com/96N4U6b.jpg Sep 30 23:28:07 annoyingly it seems there are quite of these crappy boards being dumped on the market as "beaglebone black"s Sep 30 23:28:14 *quite a few of Sep 30 23:31:48 zmatt: that is annoying! 'cause that isn't a BBB anymore. Sep 30 23:41:46 so beaglebone wireless still has same old processor? why no upgrade? why so expensive? Oct 01 02:01:35 How is Bone Debian partitioned, and why? Oct 01 02:32:34 zmatt, zykotick9, OG BBB 4 ever! Oct 01 02:40:48 zmatt how much do you think I could sell them for? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 01 02:59:58 2016