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Oct 23 03:05:55 <Kitlith> did a mass storage device pop up when you plugged your pocketbeagle in?
Oct 23 03:07:34 <Kitlith> and I'd look at http://beagleboard.org/getting-started, it has drivers if you actually need the,
Oct 23 03:07:35 <Kitlith> *them
Oct 23 03:07:43 <Kitlith> but I doubt it, since you're using w10.
Oct 23 03:08:29 <Kitlith> arias, ^
Oct 23 03:13:42 <zmatt> I thought no drivers were needed anymore with current beaglebone images and windows 10 ?
Oct 23 04:09:19 <Kitlith> zmatt, yeah, that's what I'm thinking, but they're the ones complaining...
Oct 23 12:31:47 <cynthia> question: what does the following command do exacty?
Oct 23 12:31:49 <cynthia> sed -i '/cape_disable=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN$/ s/^#//' /boot/uEnv.txt
Oct 23 12:32:18 <Guest99527> does it insert or delete or... a line in the boot file?
Oct 23 12:38:26 <cheonjam> Can I help that how to initialize beagle bone black?
Oct 23 13:04:05 <zmatt> Guest99527: it uncomments the line
Oct 23 13:04:41 <zmatt> specifically the line that for ancient kernels used to disable hdmi
Oct 23 13:22:37 <Guest99527> but how can i see the difference in the bootfile?
Oct 23 13:22:48 <Guest99527> oh now i see
Oct 23 13:22:54 <Guest99527> it uncomments
Oct 23 13:23:11 <Guest99527> but i opened the boot file and didn't find that exact line
Oct 23 13:55:27 <zmatt> nor would you expect to, unless you have a really ancient system
Oct 23 13:55:56 <zmatt> there will however still be a way to disable hdmi, check the comments in that file
Oct 23 16:57:58 <desjardin> Hi everybody, i hope it is fine for you!. i have a little problem with my BBB to flash the internal MMC. After i wrote an image to a SD card  and changed the boot/uEvnt.txt to decomment the cmdline. Then after powering up, i pressed on two buttons at the same time. I can see a chase. but a very long time. The write procedure seems to last 10 mn. after i reboot. nothing happens.
Oct 23 16:59:15 <tbr> 10 minutes is not *that* long
Oct 23 17:05:21 <desjardin> yes but this is not the problem. after when i reboot without the sd card it should work!, however i never see my BBB on windows explorer. A connexion through 192.168.7.2 does not work.  my computer does not recognize the usb connexion.
Oct 23 17:06:41 <tbr> the first boot after flashing can take quite long and until it's done NO USB DEVICES are visible
Oct 23 17:11:44 <set_> Hello...
Oct 23 17:22:48 <set_> https://pastebin.com/6JjhhJMW is some basic info. on what I am trying to accomplish.
Oct 23 17:23:17 <set_> I see compiling takes about five hours, i.e. at least this site states that this is true.
Oct 23 17:23:26 <set_> ...
Oct 23 17:24:26 <tbr> why the funk would you build the kernel on a BBB?
Oct 23 17:24:40 <set_> To make the driver available for LIRC.
Oct 23 17:25:02 <set_> I have to make a driver for my LIRC module.
Oct 23 17:25:11 <desjardin> I am wondering if am using the right tool to write the image: win32diskimager
Oct 23 17:25:11 <tbr> yes, but why *on* a BBB and not on any more powerful hardware like a PC?
Oct 23 17:25:20 <set_> Oh.
Oct 23 17:25:22 <set_> I got you.
Oct 23 17:25:38 <set_> I can cross compile but I am stuck w/out good ideas.
Oct 23 17:26:41 <set_> I have a PC but it is a VMware Ubuntu Distro. I would have to cross compile, right?
Oct 23 17:27:09 <tbr> yes, something that is quite well documented
Oct 23 17:27:56 <set_> Oh. Okay. I will look into it further. I tried before but the instructions kept holding me back, e.g. wrong kernel and/or different distros.
Oct 23 17:28:06 <set_> ...
Oct 23 17:28:14 <set_> Thank you for your advice.
Oct 23 17:28:22 <tbr> oh deer deity! that page recommends 3.8
Oct 23 17:28:30 <set_> I know. See.
Oct 23 17:28:55 <set_> I have limited knowledge from my research so far.
Oct 23 17:29:01 <set_> Do you recommend any sites?
Oct 23 17:29:07 <tbr> have you tried looking at the recent kernels if they maybe come with that stuff already built?
Oct 23 17:29:29 <set_> Debian Stretch has it build and I can get it w/ sudo apt install lirc.
Oct 23 17:29:48 <set_> I did that but...
Oct 23 17:31:13 <set_> lirc needs extra attention on systemd.
Oct 23 17:31:20 <set_> I am still learning.
Oct 23 17:31:40 <rar_rar> If stretch supports LIRC then you can get stretch from https://beagleboard.org/latest-images
Oct 23 17:31:54 <rar_rar>  bone-debian-9.1-lxqt-armhf-2017-08-31-4gb.img.xz
Oct 23 17:31:58 <set_> I have stretch.
Oct 23 17:32:08 <set_> I used apt install to get lirc already.
Oct 23 17:32:16 <tbr> also I would expect kernel headers to be available as a package
Oct 23 17:32:25 <set_> Oh.
Oct 23 17:32:27 <tbr> then there's no need to build a whole kernel, but just a module
Oct 23 17:32:40 <tbr> which even on the BBB shouldn't take more than a few minutes
Oct 23 17:33:32 <set_> Aw. Okay.
Oct 23 17:33:58 <set_> That is good news.
Oct 23 17:36:33 <set_> So, python3 is available on our distros from the BBB. This is good news.
Oct 23 17:36:51 <set_> lirc states that python3 is needed for it.
Oct 23 18:07:26 <zmatt> a better question is why people are /still/ using python 2 :P
Oct 23 18:11:44 <set_> Okay...I am readin' more on C/C++ and my older book does not cover the module part.
Oct 23 18:11:45 <set_> ...
Oct 23 18:12:00 <zmatt> "the module part" ?
Oct 23 18:12:01 <set_> I found this: http://derekmolloy.ie/writing-a-linux-kernel-module-part-1-introduction/. It was online.
Oct 23 18:12:13 <set_> Yea.
Oct 23 18:12:24 <set_> I have a beginner book on C++ only.
Oct 23 18:12:35 <zmatt> why would you expect a book on C/C++ to have information on kernel programming?
Oct 23 18:12:51 <set_> <<<< clueless as you can tell
Oct 23 18:13:14 <set_> I am referencing some ideas.
Oct 23 18:14:12 <set_> zmatt: Yes. The module part. I have found this too: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/lkmpg.html#AEN237.
Oct 23 18:14:16 <set_> It is outdated, too.
Oct 23 18:14:48 <zmatt> oh you're just trying to compile a module
Oct 23 18:15:08 <set_> I have to make a module, compile it, and then I can go from that point.
Oct 23 18:15:25 <set_> zmatt: Do you have any resources handy?
Oct 23 18:15:39 * zmatt looks at the module's source code and sighs
Oct 23 18:15:45 <set_> Ha!
Oct 23 18:15:59 <set_> Maybe I can just use a .h file?
Oct 23 18:16:26 <set_> <<<< still trying to learn stuff
Oct 23 18:18:31 <zmatt> this strikes me as so weird... is there really no driver yet for the IR support that OMAPs and derivative SoCs like the AM335x have built-in ?
Oct 23 18:18:57 <zmatt> doing it with gpios and software timing strikes me as an inane way to do it
Oct 23 18:19:26 <set_> I know but I have a controller.
Oct 23 18:19:38 <zmatt> ?
Oct 23 18:19:45 <set_> I am going to use the controller and IR sensor.
Oct 23 18:20:16 <set_> To move a Servo.
Oct 23 18:20:56 <set_> Well, I am going to at least try.
Oct 23 18:29:55 <set_> https://static.lwn.net/images/pdf/LDD3/ch02.pdf is something else I found. I will keep researching this idea if anyone is interested.
Oct 23 18:30:05 <set_> <<<<< interested and staying
Oct 23 18:30:23 <zmatt> I think recompiling the kernel takes about 10 minutes btw on a decently beefy machine
Oct 23 18:30:40 <zmatt> compiling one on a beaglebone itself is completely insane and masochistic
Oct 23 18:30:57 <set_> Okay, I understand. I thought it was ridiculous to do so.
Oct 23 18:31:32 <set_> ...
Oct 23 18:31:43 <set_> zmatt: Do you know how to make LIRC modules?
Oct 23 18:31:53 <zmatt> and rcn has scripts that make it close to trivial to recompile the kernel (at least if you have a debian host system, some other distros are supported as well I think)
Oct 23 18:32:32 <set_> ...I have an Ubuntu VMware workstation. Cross-compilation is difficult for the info. I have found recently.
Oct 23 18:32:55 <zmatt> I think ubuntu should work fine too
Oct 23 18:33:14 <zmatt> cross-compiling the kernel has very minimal requirements on the cross-toolchain
Oct 23 18:33:40 <set_> Oh. I am undereducated in cross-compilation. I cannot do it for now.
Oct 23 18:34:28 <zmatt> you just need to have a cross-toolchain installed (i.e. the command "arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc" should work), that's all
Oct 23 18:35:24 <set_> for LIRC, they describe more of what is needed. g++ and gcc and others.
Oct 23 18:35:52 <set_> I will update you after a while.
Oct 23 18:35:58 <set_> <<<<<< researching
Oct 23 18:36:04 <zmatt> no, you don't need g++ to compile a kernel module
Oct 23 18:36:10 <set_> Oh.
Oct 23 18:36:16 <zmatt> there's no C++ in the kernel
Oct 23 18:36:31 <set_> Okay. It only has assembly?
Oct 23 18:36:34 <zmatt> C
Oct 23 18:36:37 <zmatt> and assembly of course
Oct 23 18:36:38 <set_> Oh.
Oct 23 18:37:37 <set_> I came across Molloy's webpage. It states some cool facts but the kernel he uses on his site is older, i.e. 3.8.x.
Oct 23 18:37:54 <zmatt> i.e. stone-age
Oct 23 18:37:59 <set_> Yep.
Oct 23 18:38:35 <set_> I am currently walking someone through the Motor Bridge Cape set up on Seeed-Studio's Hub.
Oct 23 18:38:43 <set_> ...this person was using 3.8.x.
Oct 23 18:39:15 <set_> I kept telling this person to update to 4.4 or 4.9. I have 4.9.x on my machine and the Cape works just fine.
Oct 23 18:40:03 <set_> See...the Cape has a module in Python. I have been using this limited module to write my software to make things move and go.
Oct 23 18:40:04 <set_> ...
Oct 23 18:40:21 <set_> The experience I have w/ C to C++ conversion for moudules is lacking.
Oct 23 18:41:30 <set_> I can do it but the ultimate idea I am trying to convey is lack of ideas on "how-to" write modules.
Oct 23 18:41:31 <set_> ...
Oct 23 18:41:35 <set_> Where should I go?
Oct 23 23:25:05 <ayjay_t> weird where is my ghost
Oct 23 23:25:27 <ayjay_t> anyone know if the lcd pins are broken out on the pocketbeagle
Oct 24 00:21:37 <set_> Who is in charge of web design for the BBB.io site?
Oct 24 00:23:24 <set_> I got a response for the Polldaddy.com poll for adding Disqus to the BBB.io site.
Oct 24 00:23:26 <set_> ...
Oct 24 00:23:43 <set_> The only answer is no. So, no means no and now, we do not have Disqus.
Oct 24 00:23:53 <set_> ...I was just going to put in a good word anyway.
Oct 24 00:24:22 <set_> Thank you for replying.
Oct 24 00:27:54 <set_> Oh...the answer to the question: Nothing is wrong w/ chat. I like chat more.
Oct 24 01:04:19 <ayjay_t> O_O
Oct 24 01:04:37 <ayjay_t> -_-
Oct 24 01:04:40 <ayjay_t> O_O
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