**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 15 03:00:02 2018 Feb 15 03:01:00 https://github.com/cpb-/spi-tools Feb 15 03:01:02 this is what i found Feb 15 03:01:08 it just says | command_2 at the bottom Feb 15 03:02:34 e.g. hexdump -C ? Feb 15 03:02:46 Ah...Oh! Does anyone use the locate cmd w/ their BBB? Feb 15 03:03:15 i'll try that Feb 15 03:03:37 "find" is on our system but "locate" is not. I was just wondering...ouch. Feb 15 03:05:09 BBB! Feb 15 03:15:18 set_: if you want to use locate, just apt-get install mlocate Feb 15 03:16:30 keep it mind it has to periodically (I think every night by default) scan the filesystem to update its database Feb 15 03:20:55 Oh. I was reading on it and it seems like something "cool." So, we, w/ Debian, use mlocate and not locate or slocate? Feb 15 03:21:15 I was unaware of how to get it. Thank you. Feb 15 03:21:48 I think my book is dated anyway. Feb 15 03:22:09 locate only indexes files visible by all users, hence is typically useless for indexing stuff in home directories Feb 15 03:22:37 mlocate indexes everything and filters it based on which user invokes the command Feb 15 03:22:52 I've never heard of slocate I think Feb 15 03:23:18 sounds like it's obsolete Feb 15 03:23:40 apparently slocate is like mlocate, but older and slower Feb 15 03:23:55 Oh. I read something on updatedb and that program needs to be "situated" on the machine to have use of locate. Feb 15 03:24:21 oh. I bet so. I have an older version of the LPIC+ exam. Feb 15 03:24:31 Things change. Feb 15 03:24:48 yes, that's for the indexing I mentioned above Feb 15 03:25:03 I see. Feb 15 03:25:22 (pretty sure you don't have to do anything for it, it'll get automatically enabled when you install mlocate) Feb 15 03:25:47 I was wrong. I thought I could use it like "find" and search my system quickly w/out all that extra hardware usage. Feb 15 03:26:07 that is what it's for yes Feb 15 03:26:58 For instance, if I was to add extra users and actually forget what was finished recently, would then use the mlocate I guess to figure out what was last finished. Feb 15 03:27:13 ... Feb 15 03:27:18 That came out wrong. Feb 15 03:27:34 Anyway...no worries. Feb 15 03:27:55 "find" is good enough. I can use it and learn to use it in time. Feb 15 03:28:21 ...I do not need a bunch of system checks overnight when I am not using the machine. Feb 15 03:36:33 hello, which BB board has I2S digital interface Feb 15 03:37:48 I2C? Feb 15 03:38:07 I2S Feb 15 03:38:14 Oh. Feb 15 03:38:30 I will have to look that one up. Feb 15 03:38:42 javadaag: the beaglebone and beagleboard-x15 have i2s, no idea about older boards Feb 15 03:39:22 the i/o of the x15 is annoying to use though due to the connectors it uses Feb 15 03:46:36 Awesome, all..thanks! Feb 15 03:51:27 JOIN Feb 15 03:51:39 SUCCESS Feb 15 07:30:29 parichay[m]: :-) Feb 15 10:27:14 I am looking for an android development kit with the following specifications: Feb 15 10:27:33  Display: 4.3 inch touch display  Screen: 480×272 OLED screen  Battery Life: 10.5 hrs of battery life (4,200mAh)  Operating System: Android  Processor speed: 720MHz  RAM: 128MB  bits : 32bit  Cores: Single Core  SD Storage: 4GB SD Storage  On Board Flash: 256MB  Height: 3.63 inches (92.1mm)  Length: 4.10 inches (104.1mm)  Depth: 1.68 inches (42.5mm)  4 USB Host Port Adapter  USB Slave (M Feb 15 10:48:19 Abhinav: For BBB an Android Distribution is released by TI but I don't know to how much extent is that successful since they haven't released any distro after jelly bean. I have used Android Things on RPi3 and it works well, you can check that. Feb 15 10:49:06 parichay: he left a long time ago. Feb 15 10:51:07 LetoThe2nd: my bad! What do you have to say about it though? Feb 15 10:52:34 parichay: basically, that i don't feel like a sales department that dissects this random copy-paste thing and do his homework of finding a fitting solution. Feb 15 10:53:34 because this is obviously ripped out of some sales data sheet. Feb 15 10:54:30 LetoThe2nd: Are you one of the mentors? I am sorry I have to ask this question since I am unable to find your name in the ideas page. Feb 15 10:55:06 parichay: no problem, its a totally obvious question. no, i'm no mentor. just the local grumpy guy. :) Feb 15 10:56:00 LetoThe2nd: Okay. Thanks for being around though :) Feb 15 10:56:09 :-) Feb 15 11:19:08 it's a really weird question too, since his copy-paste looks to me like it comes from a product spec Feb 15 11:19:31 very oddly specific Feb 15 11:19:35 oh well Feb 15 11:20:20 zmatt: absolutely. e.g. sales homework. Feb 15 11:32:23 specific down to the millimeter Feb 15 11:33:10 an android platform with 128MB of RAM on a 700 MHz single core CPU... Feb 15 11:41:19 I am following a book "Mastering Embedded Linux Programming" which is also listed in http://bbb.io/books. In the book they have used crosstools-ng to build a cross compiler - "arm-cortex_a8-linux-gnueabihf" and he uses this compiler throughout the book. But I am unable to build it on my system which is a known issues and there is no solution in crosstools git repo. I am confused whether I should study the book without using the compiler Feb 15 11:41:19 or refer a different book(i really like this one though) or can anybody suggest me a workaround to make the compiler work? Feb 15 11:48:02 parichay: just use the toolchain from the ubuntu repos. for the common usecase, there is no difference Feb 15 15:16:37 jkridner[m]: the 4.9-rt branch on https://github.com/beagleboard/linux/tree/4.9-rt looks pretty well maintained Feb 15 15:16:53 jkridner[m]: is that a commonly used variant on the bbb? Feb 15 15:18:19 both -bone and -ti kernels have had -rt variants since forever Feb 15 15:19:16 they're just as maintained as the non-rt versions... pretty sure every -ti/-bone kernel release has an -rt variants released at the same time Feb 15 15:21:06 zmatt: that particular kernel looks like a ti variant Feb 15 15:25:08 it is, 4.9.80-ti-rt-r98 Feb 15 19:10:56 hi Feb 15 19:11:23 can somebody help me? Feb 15 19:12:03 hey Feb 15 19:12:54 i am trying to send keyboard events to beaglebone green via an ssh connection Feb 15 19:13:32 but none of the x11 based modules are workin Feb 15 19:13:51 can somebody help me with this Feb 15 19:16:03 i am trying to send keypresses to beaglebone green but none of the x11 module is working. Any advices Feb 15 19:16:05 >? Feb 15 19:16:18 uhh Feb 15 19:16:24 x11 on a beaglebone green? Feb 15 19:16:38 it has no hdmi output Feb 15 19:17:35 what are you trying to do? Feb 15 19:23:24 i want to send keypresses Feb 15 19:24:09 sorry mr zmatt Feb 15 19:24:18 i got busy Feb 15 19:24:30 to what? Feb 15 19:24:31 can you help me? Feb 15 19:25:22 send keypresses to what? Feb 15 19:25:36 we have developed a machine based on beaglebone green Feb 15 19:25:51 it operates on ubuntu Feb 15 19:26:24 i wish to send keypress events to the operating system Feb 15 19:27:43 and not just regular keys but also the keycodes f48 to f240 Feb 15 19:27:43 nimble00: cool Feb 15 19:28:43 mr. keesj kindly suggest something Feb 15 19:29:16 nimble00: uinput can simulate an arbitrary input device, although I still wonder you're doing that makes this necessary Feb 15 19:29:52 http://keesj.github.io/A10-OLinuXino-LIME-5510-Shield/sw_drivers.html#button-as-key-events Feb 15 19:30:21 yes sir it is my mentor thought it would be easy Feb 15 19:30:30 keesj: that doesn't sound relevant here Feb 15 19:30:33 e.g. have a look at gpio-keys and the device tree (the link is not about BBB but the same should mostly apply) Feb 15 19:32:00 i am trying to send keyboard events to beaglebone green via an ssh connection Feb 15 19:32:08 I was mis reading this :P Feb 15 19:32:29 yes exactly Feb 15 19:32:40 that is the goal Feb 15 19:33:15 what are you trying to send key events to? Feb 15 19:33:19 what's the goal here? Feb 15 19:33:28 can't you just directly control that application? Feb 15 19:34:23 export DISPLAY=:0 ; /usr/bin/xvkbd -xsendevent -text "\[Alt_L]\[Left]" Feb 15 19:34:55 is it actually an x11 application you're trying to send events to? you still haven't clarified that Feb 15 19:35:14 or (what I normally would do) is to start x11vnc on the x server and connect via vnc :P Feb 15 19:36:18 I'm done trying to guess solution when the problem hasn't been stated clearly Feb 15 19:37:43 suppose we developed a device(eg. a mobile phone with linux as OS) it carries an app called notepad until which we tested it maually and it worked fine but when we added few more features to notepad and to test the consistency of updates we must press keys to tests manually. We wish to test it using a software. Now this software must send keypress events for us. Feb 15 19:39:03 ok, so you've integrated the BBG in a device that does have video output Feb 15 19:39:12 yes sir Feb 15 19:39:26 you're using x11? Feb 15 19:39:35 it is an refreshable braille device Feb 15 19:39:42 no sir Feb 15 19:40:11 it has pins which form patterns to be read by blind people Feb 15 19:40:39 ok you're not using x11... well then it's hardly surprising that x11-based solutions to send key events don't work :) Feb 15 19:41:11 and you want this to perform functional tests on your software... that's a (rare) legitimate reason for simulating input Feb 15 19:41:33 nimble00: do you have a picture of the device? Feb 15 19:41:35 uinput then sounds like the solution Feb 15 19:41:43 http://assistech.iitd.ernet.in/rbd.php Feb 15 19:41:53 here you are sir Feb 15 19:42:12 uinput lets software create a virtual input device Feb 15 19:42:20 Wow Feb 15 19:43:02 cool looking device Feb 15 19:43:04 thanks sir Feb 15 19:43:27 so, specifically you want to simulate that those physical buttons are being pressed? Feb 15 19:43:32 are they connected to gpios? Feb 15 19:43:56 i don't know about gpios Feb 15 19:45:04 okay, since there is a way to make the hardware view gpios as being low (under software control) when they're actually high... so if they're active-low gpio inputs then you can make the system think the buttons are being physically pressed that way Feb 15 19:46:09 how do i use uinput exactly? Feb 15 19:46:10 thus allowing full functional simulation of input Feb 15 19:46:14 but maybe that's overkill Feb 15 19:46:21 In what language is the application written and how does it read input / do output? Feb 15 19:46:43 uhh, how about you first go google it and read up on about it? Feb 15 19:46:51 python Feb 15 19:47:43 i tried reading up on it but unable to comprehend ioctl, emit funtions Feb 15 19:48:15 ok... so using a kernel driver + function calls into the kernel (ioclt) Feb 15 19:48:27 there are probably libraries or tools to make it easier? Feb 15 19:48:31 https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.12/input/uinput.html i tried to understand this code but faied Feb 15 19:48:46 you don't necessarily need to directly use the low-level kernel interface Feb 15 19:49:13 Hi Feb 15 19:49:23 I have a question ... I can't find the info on the website Feb 15 19:49:39 what's the max toggle speed of gpio on the BeagleBoard Enhanced Feb 15 19:49:40 ? Feb 15 19:49:50 depends on how you do it Feb 15 19:50:05 The best possible way/native ? Feb 15 19:50:06 zmatt: hot assembly loop at reset vector! Feb 15 19:50:31 for normal gpios I think someone timed it at 40ns per write? Feb 15 19:50:49 and read? Feb 15 19:50:54 ah wait, you need the plls first. Feb 15 19:50:56 pru direct outputs can toggle every 5ns Feb 15 19:51:36 reads are dominated by the "ping time" from the cpu to the gpio controller, which is pretty significant Feb 15 19:51:57 pru direct inputs: every 5ns Feb 15 19:52:14 zmatt: a.k.a 1/f Feb 15 19:52:24 LetoThe2nd: ? Feb 15 19:53:07 hmm Feb 15 19:53:13 thanks for the help Feb 15 19:53:17 much appreciated Feb 15 19:53:19 yeah for pru it's "every cycle" but I was just keeping the units consistent for comparison Feb 15 19:53:26 zmatt: there cannot be anything faster than 1 cycle length, which is 1/f :) Feb 15 19:54:05 but the meaning of "cycle" is highly context-dependent, and lots of things have timings dependent on multiple different clocks Feb 15 19:54:15 yes of course :) Feb 15 19:54:16 I see Feb 15 19:54:38 zmatt: just as context dependent as the whole question. Feb 15 19:54:56 lol Feb 15 19:55:03 yeah, for read I also wonder whether you mean how often you can sample or what the input latency is Feb 15 19:55:29 I meant how much I can sample Feb 15 19:55:46 I am looking for theoretical maximums for comparative purposes Feb 15 19:55:54 not for actual implementations ... for now :) Feb 15 19:56:13 for input, BeagleLogic is a cool demo of what's possible Feb 15 19:56:43 it turns a beaglebone into a 14-channel 100 Msps logic analyzer Feb 15 19:57:18 Oh nice Feb 15 19:57:28 yeah guess thats close to the real world maximum Feb 15 19:57:51 so, it samples every 10ns because while you can sample every 5ns, you can literally do nothing else... like, do anything with the data you sample Feb 15 19:58:18 sampling every 10ns (2 pru cycles) already requires quite a bit of creativity :) Feb 15 19:58:54 haha Feb 15 20:02:58 just a final question ... just to clarify something Feb 15 20:03:19 when you say 100 Msps ... it's perch gpio pin, right? Feb 15 20:03:27 per* Feb 15 20:05:07 each pru core simultaneously samples all of its direct inputs, which is up to 17 for each of the two pru cores, but not all of them are accessible Feb 15 20:08:25 14 inputs was the best beaglelogic could do, although it requires disabling eMMC. with eMMC enabled, it supports 12 inputs Feb 15 20:09:01 in theory it could do one input more, but at the cost of doubling memory bandwidth, so it makes sense they didn't bother with that Feb 15 20:09:27 normal gpios are grouped together in banks of up to 32, all of which can be sampled simultaneously Feb 15 20:09:37 but not at 100 Msps, not remotely Feb 15 20:10:13 (similarly you can set or clear any subset of the 32 outputs of a gpio bank simultaneously) Feb 15 20:19:21 I see Feb 15 23:56:15 any have any missing gpios with the beaglebone green wireless??? just took a look into /sys/class/gpio and im missing gpios according to beagleboard.org. Feb 15 23:57:32 for example i was going to run a simple led program with gpios 27 and 47. They arent in the file and the progam will not recognize them. Feb 15 23:58:06 all of the figures for BBGW show pins P8_15 and P8_17 as gpios Feb 16 00:02:04 anyone, anyone. Starting to regret getting the BBGW Feb 16 00:04:41 swain: that's an appropriate feeling Feb 16 00:04:53 the BBGW is a hilarious piece of misdesign Feb 16 00:05:27 im ready to trash it. I had such high hopes. Got it from mouser maybe theyll let me return it. Feb 16 00:05:52 you know if the green is any better? Feb 16 00:06:40 instead of connecting the wifi chipset to the pins that were freed up by removing ethernet (like the black-wireless and the blue do), the BBGW leaves those pins not-connected and instead sacrificed a whole bunch of expension header pins for the wifi chipset Feb 16 00:07:31 the green still has some design choices that make me go "eh?", but at least it doesn't mess with the expansion header pins Feb 16 00:08:45 Yea boy! Feb 16 00:09:04 i really wanted to have a wireless ready board. Have you had good experiences with the black wireless? Feb 16 00:09:24 swain: if you want to double-check which pins of the bbgw are occupied for wifi/bluetooth functionality, they're explicitly marked in the green-wireless version of my show-pins script: https://github.com/mvduin/bbb-pin-utils/tree/green-wireless#show-pins Feb 16 00:12:16 I have the two pins in question wired to an led right now and without any programming (past or present) they have power running to them. Feb 16 00:12:55 P8.15 is wifi sdio d3 Feb 16 00:13:04 P8.17 is wifi irq Feb 16 00:16:00 I thought you were right when you said they were for wifi since they have power to them already. Way too many flaws and false advertising with this board. Feb 16 00:18:02 P8.11 P8.12 P8.14 P8.15 P8.16 P8.17 P8.18 P8.26 P9.12 P9.15 P9.41 Feb 16 00:18:12 that's the list of pins reserved on the BBGW for wifi Feb 16 00:18:35 a few more if bluetooth audio (a2dp) is used, but I don't know if that's enabled by default... it's rarely used afaik Feb 16 00:19:17 Thanks yeah I was just looking at them on the link you sent me. Great info, especially if i cant return it. Well now i def know i cant absolutley go by the BBGW seeed wiki page Feb 16 00:21:53 hey, it's a wifi, maybe time to change it Feb 16 00:22:10 or put a big fat warning at the top about the bullshit Feb 16 00:22:15 *wiki Feb 16 00:22:19 lol that typo Feb 16 00:22:56 ha. Maybe I will. not right making people think everything will be the same as the black. or even the green for that matter Feb 16 00:34:14 swain: The bottom of the Wiki usually shows the last time it was updated. Feb 16 00:34:58 swain: Some of those Wiki pages do not ever get updated. It is hard to rely on old Wiki info. when everything keeps changing. Feb 16 00:35:44 The BBB is like a current event article. You have to keep up to date w/ everything while things change. Feb 16 00:35:55 yeah all the warnings i have heard in the past have shown their head ha. Feb 16 00:36:04 Yep. Feb 16 00:36:05 im starting to notice that. Feb 16 00:36:21 I have tried contacting people before for Wiki stuff but to no avail. Feb 16 00:36:54 I cannot find out the "in crowd" on Wiki stuff for the BBG and other related Linux based stuff. Feb 16 00:37:43 wifi just works... donno why people are having so much issues Feb 16 00:38:09 swain: There are a couple of pages on BBG/BBGW from Seeed Studio that are sort of out of date. Feb 16 00:38:24 ds2: I use connmanctl. It works for me, too. Feb 16 00:39:40 ... Feb 16 00:39:41 Yep. Feb 16 00:41:42 For instance...I was reviewing a Wiki from Ubuntu on the BBB. I was at an older Wiki site that was not maintained, circa 2013. Feb 16 00:41:46 Things change. Feb 16 00:42:55 Hey swain: Did you ever get your VNC Viewer to work? Feb 16 00:44:15 I figured it out...192.168.7.2:1 is what needs to be placed in the box listed and not just 192.168.7.2. Feb 16 00:44:22 ... Feb 16 00:44:34 That is if you are only using one page. Feb 16 00:45:34 ds2: where were you seeing any mention of wifi issues? Feb 16 00:45:56 ds2: the issue is seeed being morons with their pin allocation :) Feb 16 00:46:29 If you run the command, tightvncserver, and only run that cmd once, it is then 192.168.7.2:1 on your VNC Viewer. Feb 16 00:47:17 <<<< smoking outdoors Feb 16 00:52:52 i use none of the above Feb 16 00:53:02 zmatt: sounded like wifi issues :D Feb 16 00:53:08 pin allocation is simple Feb 16 00:53:25 when in doubt, put a spreadsheet together cross check with the TRM Feb 16 00:54:03 ds2: tell that to seeed Feb 16 00:54:19 also, just read scrollback if you're not familiar with the stupidity of the beaglebone green wireless Feb 16 00:55:00 I have a BBGW Feb 16 00:55:08 it wasn't a problem Feb 16 00:57:18 it is if you try to use those pins because the pinout's on seeed's wiki page fail to indicate that those pins are not usable because of their misdesign Feb 16 00:57:35 *pinouts Feb 16 00:58:09 or, "wiki" ... it's just documentation, not actually an editable wiki Feb 16 00:58:55 lol why the fuck are they calling it a wiki Feb 16 01:00:17 no i think i tired that as well. Idk maybe I ended up with an older BBGW. Im still relatively new to programming and using microcontrollers (only been doing it about 6 months now, mainly arduino) so im sending the BBGW back and might just try the BBB since its been around longer with more users. Im going to look into the BBBW. Feb 16 01:01:40 the BBB and BBBW are basically the same, apart from the BBB having ethernet vs the BBBW having wifi/bluetooth Feb 16 01:02:15 oh and the BBBW has a micro-usb connector instead of the mini-usb of the BBB Feb 16 01:03:03 Each time a booted from my sd using another image (other than Jessie for SeeedStudio BeagleBone Green Wireless via microSD card) i could not use ssh and I had to log into a password protected ap as debian and could log in as root. Feb 16 01:04:07 uhh, that last part sounds like ssh did work? Feb 16 01:04:37 but just via its ap interface? that's weird Feb 16 01:04:55 sorry, ssh never did with the other images but I was able to log onto the ap usings password BeagleBone and log into the terminal as a debian user Feb 16 01:05:19 uh, log in how if not via ssh? I'm not following Feb 16 01:05:36 yeah i thought it was very weird. using cloud9 terminal Feb 16 01:06:18 swain: use connmanctl and the commands to get online. Feb 16 01:06:32 isn't that just an ssh client ? Feb 16 01:06:41 IDE. Feb 16 01:06:50 ohhhh docs... blah... always use the schematics Feb 16 01:06:51 cloud9 _terminal_ Feb 16 01:06:55 cloud9 = IDE Feb 16 01:06:57 and yell at the EE if it doesn't match the board :D Feb 16 01:07:14 okay it's not an ssh client Feb 16 01:07:32 but still, if cloud9 works then that means network connectivity works... so ssh should definitely work too Feb 16 01:07:55 swain: Use the connman cmds and connmanctl. Serious. It works. Feb 16 01:08:22 if it doesn't then either you're doing something wrong, or there's something messed up about the software configuration (of sshd or firewall maybe) Feb 16 01:08:26 set_: for what? Feb 16 01:08:31 set_: what are you talking about? Feb 16 01:08:45 zmatt: I used the app. that swain is talking about for the BBGW. Feb 16 01:08:46 thats what I thought but i could never connect. i might try again if I get board. I eventually ditched the sd along with the other images and used the emmc Feb 16 01:09:10 swain: Do you know how to use connmanctl? Feb 16 01:09:11 *bored Feb 16 01:09:26 I have not yet. No. Feb 16 01:09:34 swain: how is connmanctl relevant here? why is it being introduced into this conversation? Feb 16 01:09:38 eh Feb 16 01:09:39 set_: Feb 16 01:09:56 zmatt: That app. sucks and only allows you to use the Cloud9 IDE. Feb 16 01:10:14 That is my opinion. Feb 16 01:10:32 I used connman to set up WiFi instead of having to just use Cloud9. Feb 16 01:10:42 Everything works as expected. Feb 16 01:11:06 I got capes working, I set up software w/ hardware, and got some terminals up and running. Feb 16 01:11:22 I am still utterly confused what you're talking about Feb 16 01:11:41 zmatt: There is an app. Let me get the link real quickly. Feb 16 01:11:42 he clearly has network connectivity to the bbgw, otherwise you can't access cloud9 either Feb 16 01:11:53 I know. I get that. Feb 16 01:12:46 swain: can you also not reach it when connected via usb ? Feb 16 01:13:11 http://wiki.seeed.cc/BeagleBone_Green_Wireless/ Feb 16 01:13:27 what do you mean you got wifi setup instead of using cloud9? I was able to setup the wifi with my smartphone then connect via ip (and ssh if not booting from sd) but still had to use the cloud9 Feb 16 01:14:08 swain: That is what I HAVE been trying to say. Set up w/ connmanctl and forget that smartphone set up to get to the cloud9 IDE. Feb 16 01:14:15 swain: I wonder if there are some weird firewalling rules configured Feb 16 01:14:19 You will be able to get to the terminal. Feb 16 01:14:40 swain: in a cloud9 terminal, can you try: sudo iptables -L Feb 16 01:14:56 swain: what error are you getting exactly when you try to ssh ? Feb 16 01:15:48 I am pretty sure you cannot use your ssh client from Cloud9. Feb 16 01:15:59 i cant even remember now sorry. I think either computer refused or just it saying could connect or find route Feb 16 01:16:16 set_: ssh from your own computer of course Feb 16 01:16:31 i agree. thats what I was about to say. Feb 16 01:16:35 I know. Feb 16 01:16:50 I can and will whenever I feel like it. Feb 16 01:17:05 swain: connection refused vs no route to host are rather different errors Feb 16 01:17:36 no route to host means the ip is unreachable, which would also imply cloud9 is not reachable on that ip Feb 16 01:17:58 i think no route to host. Ill have to flash my sd again with another image (was using the BBGW specific image that worked) and try it again. Feb 16 01:18:55 well with out know the exact meaning of no route to host, i was confused as to why it would connect for that very reason. Feb 16 01:19:20 BBGW specific image? that sounds iffy Feb 16 01:19:38 Debian 8.10 2018-02-01 4GB SD SeeedStudio IoT image for SeeedStudio BeagleBone Green Wireless Feb 16 01:19:57 the only one that seemed to work correctly. Feb 16 01:20:26 in what sense? Feb 16 01:21:25 until you try to use the expansion headers, it doesn't matter whether you have a BBBW or BBGW, so there's really no good reason for a BBGW-specific image that I can think of Feb 16 01:21:36 I had to connect to ap BeagleboneA445 using a password (BeableBone) versus my normal ap which was beaglebonexxxxxx Feb 16 01:21:57 oh god that's still debian jessie Feb 16 01:22:02 that's really obsolete Feb 16 01:22:25 and could not connect via ssh when using other (up to date?) images. Feb 16 01:22:39 that's something that should be debugged then Feb 16 01:22:55 also when I was able to get into cloud9 using other images it was as user debian vs root Feb 16 01:23:13 maybe I'll see if I can try the latest iot image on a BBBW to see what exactly the out-of-the-box experience is for new users Feb 16 01:23:34 (tomorrow or so) Feb 16 01:23:46 you don't log in as root Feb 16 01:24:00 just use sudo when necessary Feb 16 01:25:07 root login is normally disabled by default in debian systems... a long time ago bbb images used to enable it anyway, but they eventually stopped doing that out of security concerns Feb 16 01:26:12 ahh. gotcha, explains why i was logged in as a debian user vs root. Feb 16 01:26:21 ...for the newer images Feb 16 01:27:04 https://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian is a place for images. Look there! Feb 16 01:27:34 zmatt: guess i should not mention I use angstrom images? ;) Feb 16 01:28:25 Man...I have not used that Angstrom stuff in a while. Feb 16 01:28:33 ds2: I admire your dedication to archeology :) Feb 16 01:28:42 It works w/ updates? Feb 16 01:29:04 Im interested to hear more about the BBBW and to see if its more user friendly. A wireless setup is is ideal for my situation and projects (and i know there are ways to connect to wifil, but a board already setup is convenient) set_: ill definetly check that out. Feb 16 01:29:05 zmatt: It works. no point in pulling in more userland abominations Feb 16 01:29:24 zmatt: most of the problems people are reporting is from userland issues Feb 16 01:30:04 ideally run without any userland whatsoever Feb 16 01:30:11 that will avoid all userspace issues Feb 16 01:30:18 yes Feb 16 01:30:35 there been webservers in the kernel... Feb 16 01:30:53 swain: No such thing. You have to have Internet. One, you have use the WiFi. Or, you can use the Ethernet. Since you have the BBGW, use the WiFi setup from connman and use your connmanctl cmds to use it. That simple. Serious. Feb 16 01:31:53 swain: like I said earlier, there should be no difference in user-friendliness between the BBBW and BBGW Feb 16 01:32:15 swain: I tried what you are describing. I had issues and complaints until I figured out that not everything works 100% of the time, i.e. esp. not Seeed Studio's application to get online. Feb 16 01:32:16 ... Feb 16 01:32:21 the main difference between the two is that the BBGW sacrifices a whole bunch of expansion I/O Feb 16 01:32:27 and lacks hdmi Feb 16 01:32:49 You cannot get to your ssh client online w/ Cloud9 and the Seeed Studio application for getting online. Feb 16 01:32:50 the latter isn't really relevant for the iot image Feb 16 01:32:59 and the former isn't relevant until you start to try to use expansion i/o Feb 16 01:33:40 yeah I wonder what that seeed studio interface thing for network selection is Feb 16 01:34:02 if you have a commmand, I can plug mine in! Feb 16 01:34:27 don't the iot images have something similar for configuring wifi? I vaguely recall seeing something like that mentioned, but I've never looked into it myself Feb 16 01:34:46 set_: ill look into the connman and connmanctl comds since i have never used it. The reduction in gpios was kind of a last straw for me Feb 16 01:35:27 anyway, instead of guessing I'll just take a look tomorrow Feb 16 01:36:05 swain: Since you are new to this Wide World Web of the BBB, there are older, picked images from beagleboard.org that can allow you to change what is working on your BBB/BBGW and what is not needed. Feb 16 01:36:06 ... Feb 16 01:36:28 For instance...you can kill specific pins and change pin modes. Feb 16 01:36:38 set_: ? Feb 16 01:36:44 Right! Feb 16 01:36:49 again what are you talking about? Feb 16 01:36:59 just use the latest image and configure your pins using config-pin Feb 16 01:37:05 pinmux from the older images. Feb 16 01:37:06 Oh. Feb 16 01:37:07 Okay. Feb 16 01:37:30 I thought we changed config-pin to suit the needs of u-boot options? Feb 16 01:37:48 what? Feb 16 01:38:03 I was unaware that config-pin still worked. Feb 16 01:38:04 hmm im play around with that Feb 16 01:38:35 set_: okay I'm done trying to understand the things you say. I think I'm just going to get some sleep before my brain dissolves into a puddle of confusion Feb 16 01:38:37 I thought w/ 4.9.x and up, we had to use u-boot to change things. Feb 16 01:39:08 you use /boot/uEnv.txt to change whether you want to enable uio-pruss or remoteproc-pru Feb 16 01:39:11 that's about it Feb 16 01:39:16 Oh. Feb 16 01:39:37 Good. Anyway, thank you for clarification. Feb 16 01:39:46 yea boy! Feb 16 01:39:53 you can also load custom overlays that way, but that's not at all something you need to deal with for basic usage Feb 16 01:40:09 swain: Use config-pin to change your pin mode. Feb 16 01:41:37 swain: Did these people show you the link to understand config-pin? Feb 16 01:43:12 no Feb 16 01:43:28 https://github.com/beagleboard/bb.org-overlays/tree/master/tools/beaglebone-universal-io Feb 16 01:43:32 it has --help I'm pretty sure Feb 16 01:43:38 Hahhaha! Feb 16 01:44:01 thanks. Ill start reading. Feb 16 01:44:28 Cool beans. It is nice to set up specific pins to use as I would like. Feb 16 01:45:14 For instance...My P9.14 better be used for my cheap temp. sensor and I need ADC for it. Boy! Feb 16 01:46:48 ... Feb 16 01:46:50 here is the cold beans (tosses a can o beans from the freezer) Feb 16 01:47:32 swain: Here is the link to connman that I used. Feb 16 01:47:33 ... Feb 16 01:47:39 https://beagleboard.org/discuss#board_forum_embed?place=msg%2Fbeagleboard%2FhoK8GCAOwl0%2FCUk5yDpJAgAJ. Feb 16 01:47:47 ... Feb 16 01:48:41 Sometimes...I do not need the first couple of connmanctl commands, e.g. wifi enable and wifi scan are obsolete on specific images. Feb 16 01:49:12 set_: what accuracy do you need for your temperature sensor? What range of temperatures how precise does it need to be (different than accurate) Feb 16 01:49:42 I do not need it anymore. I was testing things for specific nothingness. Feb 16 01:49:45 ... Feb 16 01:49:56 do you no use wifi? Feb 16 01:50:08 you know the last time I tested for nothing, I really found it. Feb 16 01:50:16 I use WiFi w/ my BBGW! Feb 16 01:50:22 Me too, GenTooMan! Feb 16 01:50:29 ... Feb 16 01:50:40 Look, I know I am annoying at times. I can and will calm down. Feb 16 01:50:51 gotcha. well before i comment anymore i guess im going to check out the links you included Feb 16 01:51:12 swain: Those are some basics I found that might support your inquiries. Feb 16 01:51:23 Enjoy! Feb 16 01:51:25 thanks Feb 16 01:51:40 You are welcome. Feb 16 01:51:48 <<<<< smoking outdoors. Feb 16 01:59:19 set_: set if you play with EDA tools 1 look at KiCAD 2 look at octavio systems information on the pocket beagle 3 the pocket beagle hit hub page has a pocket beagle schematic in KiCAD. Looks too me one can migrate that to a complete semi constimized beagle Bone whatever (heck I'll name the template file the BBW for fun). Anyhow Feb 16 01:59:40 hit hub == git hub (sheesh) Feb 16 02:01:32 GenTooMan...hello again. Feb 16 02:02:00 I have a hard enough time w/ mechanical schematics. I can only try. Feb 16 02:03:34 So, what do you want me to do? Deploy a bunch of electronic devices onto the Pocket Beagle in schematic form? Feb 16 02:03:55 ... Feb 16 02:05:34 right so I'll pack a LOT of stuff in a short moment. KiCAD http://kicad-pcb.org/ octaveo systems https://octavosystems.com/octavo_products/osd335x/ pocket beagle schematics https://github.com/beagleboard/pocketbeagle/ Feb 16 02:05:56 set_: in case you get bored sometime :D Feb 16 02:07:01 Sir, I am still using the Fritzing library to set up connections on book formatting for the BBB. This may be out of my range, fyi. "fyi" = my first acronym. And yes...I looked up the spelling on acronym. Feb 16 02:07:33 ... Feb 16 02:07:56 Well how about just lurk at the pocket beagle you can do some really interesting stuff with it. Feb 16 02:08:11 Sir, I can try. I will go to those links when I can make it to that point. I am definitely not at that level. Feb 16 02:08:21 ... Feb 16 02:08:47 GenTooMan: There is way too much soldering for me on the Pocket Beagle. Feb 16 02:08:53 <<<< lazy bugger! Feb 16 02:09:55 My soldering iron sucks, I am broke now, and life sucks. Like I said, I can only try. I might pick it up soon. Feb 16 02:10:02 BBB! Feb 16 02:11:07 I have not even mastered that BBBlue yet. Feb 16 02:11:17 set_: You know what lazy means? It means you just aren't doing the right things ;) Hey I can only point out how you can make ambitions happen, I can't do it for you. Oh soldering spot for cheap: https://www.circuitspecialists.com/blackjack-solderwerks Feb 16 02:11:52 I will not outsource soldering as long as I live. Feb 16 02:11:54 ... Feb 16 02:11:57 But...thank you. Feb 16 02:11:58 cheaper: http://www.microcenter.com/product/456705/Lead_Free_Solder_Pot_-_100W Feb 16 02:12:08 (lead free just means it can hit high temperatures) Feb 16 02:12:19 I want to get the damn machine! Feb 16 02:12:26 LOL Feb 16 02:12:36 I saw how they were making those BBBs and I got jelous. Feb 16 02:12:43 I need it! Feb 16 02:12:51 set_: yeah those ovens aren't cheap. Feb 16 02:12:57 I bet! Feb 16 02:13:06 We have the 200W version at work, it's great. Slow to heat up but otherwise does what it says on the tin. Feb 16 02:13:45 then you have the Pick And Place toys to set things up. It all costs money but ... gotta earn first huh? I couldn't afford anything when I was out of college. Feb 16 02:13:55 I saw this damn machine making point precision spotting of electronics and I said, "DAYUM!" Feb 16 02:14:06 See! Feb 16 02:14:27 I have been out of the damn college for years. No one wants this little brother to be smart and working. Feb 16 02:14:50 Serious. I have applied to everyone and everything in town. Feb 16 02:14:56 Twice! Feb 16 02:15:34 I know...wa wa wa. I get it. I will keep on keepin' on (Joe Dirt)! Feb 16 02:15:53 ... Feb 16 02:16:49 I got my hands on a damn laser but no high powered galvo yet. This town was built on oil. People know oil and oil only... Feb 16 02:17:18 Someone has to learn electronics and digital electronics at that... Feb 16 02:17:22 So... Feb 16 02:17:33 I thought, why not me and why not the BBB. Feb 16 02:17:37 I did my research. Feb 16 02:19:06 ... Feb 16 02:19:50 I see some other people in the "Linux based" electronic field have tons of "graphics" and learning options. Feb 16 02:20:02 I like the books that were produced from the BBB people and followers. Feb 16 02:20:10 ... Feb 16 02:21:18 It gave me first hand experience w/ something "new." And guess what...I got to do things while life was kicking my tiny ass out of the public eye. Boo Ya! Feb 16 02:21:19 BBB! Feb 16 02:28:36 ^ my plight Feb 16 02:41:05 what is kernel 4.14 and 4.15 about? Feb 16 02:58:59 Just an idea...people want things in packages, e.g. Amazon.com. So, info. packed together is just as useful. No one really wants to read 555 pages of theory anymore. Serious. Maybe packaging "leaflets" or random info. about the BBB and variants will help and not hurt. Feb 16 02:59:00 ... Feb 16 02:59:03 Just an idea. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 16 03:00:01 2018