**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 21 03:00:01 2018 Oct 21 03:00:06 Hello! Oct 21 03:20:29 Hello Oct 21 03:21:08 exit Oct 21 03:22:39 Hello Oct 21 03:23:05 I tried to install Windows 64 driver and it tells me that it failed. Whant can I do ? Oct 21 04:55:10 just wondering if you guys test anything you sell? Oct 21 04:55:59 your beagle UI would be great if it didnt unselect when you miss clicking those stupid tiny buttons Oct 21 04:56:04 like what the fuck Oct 21 04:57:01 i spent a hundred dollars on BBBView and the piece of shit has never worked Oct 21 04:57:18 none of the patches ever work Oct 21 04:57:24 fucking rip offs Oct 21 05:04:40 beagle ui? bbbview? hundreds of dollars? what was he even talking about? Oct 21 07:52:19 bbview is some sorta 4" display but who knows for sure Oct 21 07:53:03 no 7" display Oct 21 11:34:16 unable to detect beaglebone black by pc after flashing the image from sd card Oct 21 11:38:29 unable to detect beaglebone black by pc after flashing the image from sd card Oct 21 15:47:19 connected via usb? Oct 21 15:47:21 what OS? Oct 21 15:47:29 oh hes gone nvm Oct 21 15:52:44 ayjay_t (IRC): For me, it's a BBB connected via USB to Windows 64. Oct 21 16:01:37 ohhh you're having issues with the windows drivers Oct 21 16:02:13 rcn-ee[m] jkridner[m] is there a github gist or something we can refer people to? Oct 21 16:04:51 with recent images it should just-work™. First boot takes a few minutes for the device to show up via USB, IIRC. Oct 21 16:05:16 Also if you yank the USB cable and thus shut it down during first boot there seems to be a good chance to b0rk it Oct 21 16:05:35 in the sense that it will need rewriting the SD Oct 21 16:08:58 ah i see Oct 21 16:09:12 okay, so officially, its working, and we should treat any issues as possible user error or new bugs Oct 21 16:09:30 historica[m]: i guess the solution is to flash the bbb Oct 21 16:12:40 https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/954660-windows Oct 21 16:14:09 win10 is one of their better tries at an OS Oct 21 16:19:51 Some USB devices and cables are not compatible for using w/ power. Check your usb device and cable for the lightning bolt. Oct 21 16:20:06 wtf Oct 21 16:20:06 It is better than Windows ME, of course Oct 21 16:20:10 The "lightning bolt" signifies power. Oct 21 16:21:30 tbr: serious. I have come across USB cables that are not qualified for use w/ power. I actually have an older usb device on my computer. It does not work w/ the BBB and it is missing the "lightning bolt." Oct 21 16:22:07 set_: I don't dispute your experience, but very much your assessment. Oct 21 16:22:59 Oh. That battery supply is what I am discussing. Oct 21 16:23:01 Okay. Oct 21 16:23:18 My assessment is off b/c I have not performed much research. Oct 21 16:23:21 You are correct. Oct 21 16:24:02 bad USB cables with too high resistance and thus voltage drop could possibly lead to problems. Oct 21 16:24:14 Don't think I've seen such in a very very long time Oct 21 16:24:26 Yep. I have some older cables around here still. Oct 21 16:24:48 tbr: That lightning bolt signifies that I can use it w/ charging batteries. Oct 21 16:24:50 I was mistaken. Oct 21 16:25:01 Oops! Oct 21 16:25:21 the "lightning bolt" probably suggests that the port is able to deliver higher current than the regular 500mA Oct 21 16:25:30 I wonder why the BBB does not work w/ this specific USB device in my desktop. Oct 21 16:25:31 Oh! Oct 21 16:25:36 That makes more sense. Oct 21 16:27:09 I will test it out again later. Oct 21 16:27:13 No issue here. Oct 21 16:40:25 I have done read some USB factoids. Up-to-par on USB is like nothing else! Oct 21 16:41:25 500mA at 5v is from USB 1.0/2.0. w/ USB 3.0, it is up to 900mA. Oct 21 16:42:07 And 3.1, it has a higher mA supply. Oct 21 16:42:41 I still, for the life of me, do not know why this usb port has given me trouble in the past. Oh well. Maybe the port is shot. Oct 21 16:43:09 my BBB works on other ports and w/ the same USB cable. Hmm. Oct 21 16:43:28 I need a usb tester. Oct 21 16:47:00 Can we use out BBB to make it into a USB tester for amps and volts? Oct 21 16:47:29 out = our Oct 21 16:49:01 forget that idea for now! bbl Oct 21 19:03:18 ayjay_t (IRC): Finally, I found the solution. Oct 21 19:03:19 https://www.howtogeek.com/167723/how-to-disable-driver-signature-verification-on-64-bit-windows-8.1-so-that-you-can-install-unsigned-drivers/ Oct 21 19:03:54 that sounds like a bad idea Oct 21 19:04:00 I guess they want BeagleBone to send the drivers to Microsoft so they can be signed. What a messy OS. Oct 21 19:04:15 jkridner said they have been signed again Oct 21 19:04:25 but also, they shouldn't be needed at all anymore in the current images Oct 21 19:04:36 at least on windows 10, dunno older versions Oct 21 19:04:56 but someone else said it works on old versions too (plug & play) Oct 21 19:05:06 If they are not needed, it would be better to remove them on the BeagleBone Get Started Oct 21 19:05:31 Getting Started says: "With the latest images, it should no longer be necessary to install drivers for your operating system to give you network-over-USB access to your Beagle. In case you are running an older image, an older operating system or need additional drivers for serial access to older boards, links to the old drivers are below. Oct 21 19:05:36 " Oct 21 19:08:03 * historica[m] uploaded an image: image.png (253KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/OSXlECGYYUzDbxHHuhSwvBDA > Oct 21 19:08:04 Not on mine Oct 21 19:08:30 probably it's not running a recent image? Oct 21 19:09:30 you can find the latest guide (with info on getting the latest software for the beaglebone) here: http://beagleboard.org/getting-started Oct 21 19:12:41 historica[m]: that's not necesary anymore, is my udnerstanding Oct 21 19:12:43 you're not supposed to do that Oct 21 19:12:51 you're supposed to use the updated driver and and latest bbb image Oct 21 19:12:56 but yes, that works for all the old stuff Oct 21 19:13:16 you were given this advice, historica[m] but you never said that you took it Oct 21 19:13:33 (NOTE: once you've booted the beaglebone from the latest image on sd card and are able to log in, you should either reflash it or at the very least do "sudo blkdiscard /dev/mmcblk1" to wipe the eMMC. having an old bootloader present on eMMC while booting from SD card can cause some problems in functionality) Oct 21 19:13:52 ayjay_t: no, you're supposed to use the latest bbb image and not need to install a driver at all Oct 21 19:14:02 the driver itself is part of windows already Oct 21 19:14:35 oh nice, is that a change in BBB or a change in windows Oct 21 19:15:23 Ok. I will now know next time I need to use BeagleBone. Oct 21 19:15:24 But since it was never written on the insturctions that these drivers are not to be installled.... Oct 21 19:15:46 that's why you decided not to take my advice? Oct 21 19:15:50 the driver has always been part of windows, RNDIS is microsoft's own proprietary protocol. the "driver" you "install" is a text file telling windows to use its own f-ing driver for a particular device Oct 21 19:16:04 historica[m]: well you're following old instructions from old software already on the beaglebone Oct 21 19:16:05 oh really it's a configuration thing? Oct 21 19:16:30 /shrug Oct 21 19:16:52 ayjay_t: the current images setup some microsoft-proprietary custom usb descriptors that apparently should convince windows to automatically determine it needs to use that driver Oct 21 19:17:22 thats what i saw from the earlier commit Oct 21 19:17:31 now it makes sense Oct 21 19:17:44 because, you know, it's better to invent a custom descriptor type than use the concept of usb classes and class drivers designed in the standard. (let alone actually implement the standard cdc-ecm class) Oct 21 19:17:50 so the last "drivers" were effectively modifying the driver-device associate, however windows does that uh Oct 21 19:17:55 hehe Oct 21 19:18:00 usb classes are hard man Oct 21 19:18:02 we need to ship! Oct 21 19:18:05 and blame someone else! Oct 21 19:18:32 historica[m]: keep in mind that when a beaglebone is shipped, you never know how long it's been sitting on a shelf in some warehouse. the software preinstalled on it can be very old Oct 21 19:19:36 in many ways it would be less headache if the beaglebones were shipped with a blank eMMC and required you to download an image first, but I understand why they chose not to do that Oct 21 19:28:00 yeah, Oct 21 19:28:03 that i agree with Oct 21 19:28:07 both prats Oct 21 19:28:10 parts* Oct 21 20:56:05 Yeah, it's fine. Oct 21 20:56:05 Sorry for being rude earlier. Oct 21 20:56:06 Thx for the help. Oct 22 00:50:25 i meannn if you're happy historica[m], its all good eh Oct 22 01:29:49 I just picked up a new, Big-Blue image from BBB.io/latest-images! Oct 22 01:30:56 I am going to try ArduPilot again w/ a quadCopter thing. Oct 22 01:31:17 The dog-gone thing is built already anyway. I might as well apply some tech. to it. Oct 22 01:31:28 BBBlue! Oct 22 01:34:57 Back-up...I got it from the Wiki, sorry. console! Oct 22 01:37:27 Fast! Oct 22 01:45:03 https://pastebin.com/s0WRVfj6 is something I should worry about or not? Oct 22 01:46:26 cryptsetup? why are you messing with cryptsetup? Oct 22 01:47:57 I am not. Oct 22 01:48:15 well when or how did this start happening? Oct 22 01:48:19 It came up when I was trying to downgrade to a TI rt kernel. Oct 22 01:48:39 It says it will be useless in the future or something like that. Oct 22 01:48:41 what? why would you switch to a ti-rt kernel? and why are you calling that a "downgrade" ? Oct 22 01:48:47 Oh. Oct 22 01:48:48 B/c. Oct 22 01:49:10 The ArduPilot needs to have 4.4 instead of 4.14. Oct 22 01:49:22 For whatever reason...I am still learning. Oct 22 01:49:25 that sounds weird and unlikely Oct 22 01:49:28 Oh. Oct 22 01:49:29 Okay. Oct 22 01:49:30 ! Oct 22 01:49:41 if true then they should fix their shit Oct 22 01:49:55 Probably so but this is how it is for now. Oct 22 01:50:03 I want a flying BBBlue! Oct 22 01:50:15 Vroom... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 03:00:00 2018