**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 03:00:00 2018 Oct 22 05:21:30 Are there any GPG signatures for the BBB kernels? I'm not seeing any on the GitHub "Releases" page or in the git repo itself. Oct 22 05:22:55 frostsnow: the debian packages are signed Oct 22 05:25:02 zmatt: I'm using Gentoo so that's not an option Oct 22 05:30:01 I guess it would be nice if source releases were signed... then again, the only additional protection it would provide is if github.com is compromised or malicious... while not impossible, it doesn't seem very likely (and if it happened then I can imagine there are more useful targets to attack than the small number of people who use rcn's repos to build kernels from the beaglebone :P ) Oct 22 05:31:46 also the diff should be fairly shallow, unless you really need the patches, you can go with vanilla kernel.org Oct 22 05:32:45 well there are definitely patches in there I'd want to have regardless of what distro I'm using... then again I wrote some of those patches, so I may be biased ;) Oct 22 05:34:30 Well, GitHub is owned by Microsoft ;). More seriously, NSLs override any overarching sense of trust that one can place in large organizations. Pragmatically, I will proceed without a signature, but I generally try to verify them if they are there, as I consider it to be good practice. Oct 22 05:42:07 fair enough. on the bright side, due to the way git works, doing a MitM attack is pretty risky since most manipulation would require non-fast-forward commits Oct 22 05:43:58 It's probably not the weakest link in my set-up :) Oct 22 05:44:39 also I thought NSLs only force information disclosure (and non-disclosure of that disclosure), but can't force a company to manipulate data? Oct 22 05:46:24 You might be right there; the Gag Order is the part that makes my skin crawl. Oct 22 05:51:19 in sha1 we trust. Oct 22 10:21:48 m Oct 22 12:36:15 hi ho .. any Ada ppl here ? Oct 22 12:38:32 huh? Oct 22 12:41:05 heh, Ada... that's not something you hear about every day Oct 22 12:44:34 i do :) Oct 22 12:46:15 esp good for embedded and safety critical + built-in tasking Oct 22 12:46:24 * charlie5 get off the soapbox Oct 22 12:47:05 I wasn't passing a value-judgement, I was merely remarking i personally don't hear about it frequently :) Oct 22 12:49:51 yeap, understood ... it seems ideal for BBB tho (a few friends of mine have used it with Blue to good effect) Oct 22 12:50:59 how's things like performance, code size, memory usage? Oct 22 12:52:59 should be equiv to C Oct 22 12:56:41 jump onto #ada and ask sparre for full detail ... i am just getting started with beaglebone blue ... he and friends have done it fully and won best design in a european bot contest Oct 22 13:34:14 * charlie5 jumps off his ada soapbox and hops into bed :) Oct 22 14:09:35 smarter every day... Oct 22 14:50:30 i have to add an rtc (adafruit ds1307) to some BBBs. i cabled it on a couple different BBBs but it doesn't appear in the i2c bus. double checked the wiring, nothing seems wrong. it does not have a battery installed right now, could this be the cause of the problem? Oct 22 14:50:45 (i don't have any battery to try, will have tomorrow) Oct 22 15:34:02 how to connect to pc ? Oct 22 17:19:04 he's gone! Oct 22 17:19:25 samael: what configuration have you done on the BBB? Oct 22 17:20:00 samael: i've never used BBB i2c but I know you're going to have to maybe consider a) pin-config (config-pin?) b) device tree c) overlays. not sure how necessary all that is. Oct 22 17:35:30 probably missing pull-ups on the i2c bus Oct 22 17:37:49 samael: what battery? the beaglebone black does not normally use a battery or even support one really (it does have battery terminals but they can't safely be used without doing a hardware patch) Oct 22 17:38:55 oooh Oct 22 17:38:58 thats a good point Oct 22 17:40:51 actually it has integrated pull-ups, but that's a big problem Oct 22 17:43:19 samael: that module isn't compatible with the beaglebone: if you connect vcc of the module to 3.3v then the ds1307 will not work, if you connect it to 5v then the integrated pull-up resistors of the module will pull sda and scl up to 5V which would destroy the beaglebone Oct 22 17:44:13 you'd need to cut the integrated resistors and add your own pull-ups to 3.3v (while still powering the ds1307 at 5v) Oct 22 17:46:58 hmm, the tutorial at adafruit for this module seems to think P9.19/20 have integrated pull-ups... I'm pretty sure they don't, but now I'm starting to doubt myself Oct 22 17:47:02 * zmatt checks schematic Oct 22 17:47:38 they definitely don't Oct 22 17:52:53 yeah that would be rude to all that other pins functions eh? Oct 22 18:00:57 there, filled in the feedback form thingy Oct 22 18:11:35 samael: if you want less hassle, the pcf8523 (low cost) and ds3231 (high accuracy) rtc boards from adafruit would be better choices. those can simply be powered at 3.3v (and they have integrated pull-ups) Oct 22 18:13:03 (that does for both of their ds3231 breakouts... the tiny one without battery holder and the "featherwing" one with battery holder) Oct 22 18:21:27 *that goes Oct 22 18:33:59 (both rtcs also have linux drivers) Oct 22 18:48:28 are these rtc's just to get time information or are they used as timing signals Oct 22 18:48:31 joc zmatt Oct 22 18:49:36 they just keep the date and time, including when the bbb is powered off (assuming the rtc is connected to a coin cell battery) Oct 22 18:53:50 interesting Oct 22 18:53:51 thats nice. Oct 22 19:11:26 @zmatt Thanks for all you do for this community. Oct 22 19:46:38 :) Oct 22 21:32:04 hi all Oct 22 21:39:40 dury? Is it really you? Oct 22 21:41:53 is the beaglebone black capable of installing the Adafruit_CircuitPython? Oct 22 21:42:54 @Rod_, Drew is working on that... check the git history of that project.. Oct 22 21:49:25 hey can you point me to that project? Oct 22 21:49:27 i'd like to take a look Oct 22 21:49:31 rcn-ee[m] or Rod_ Oct 22 21:50:15 https://github.com/adafruit/circuitpython Oct 22 23:52:08 I want this bbx15 to be a routing box. No NAT. Just sit twist my homenet and the firewall box and accept all traffic on 1 enet port and pass it on through the other enet port to the outside world. Oct 22 23:52:29 a trusted mitm. Oct 22 23:52:48 i also want that rofl Oct 22 23:52:51 i'm just not working on it Oct 22 23:52:53 what distro would I be better off with? Oct 23 00:00:56 Snert_: I use debian because it's the least work on the whole surface, like rcn is maintaining it, as far as I know Oct 23 00:01:22 in my mind, the only difference in the distro's is more or less a) the package managers and b) the release cadence Oct 23 00:01:41 but then again, i'm talking about linux in general, not bbx15 Oct 23 00:01:41 maybe I should just take the bbx15 image and uninstall a bunchacrap? Oct 23 00:01:53 i do run 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 different machines/distros unofruntaely Oct 23 00:02:42 yeah definitely get a dpkg list and and then use (actually not 100% on these commands) `systemd list --type=active` and `systemd tree` to see if you need all that booting Oct 23 00:03:43 noted. Oct 23 00:03:45 list-dependencies? i think Oct 23 00:04:03 yeah systemd and dpkg to explore whats running, its a bit of a tedious accounting process tho Oct 23 00:04:08 guess I'll have to play and see which way is best Oct 23 00:04:41 i'd make a copy of the image as you like it, i've been thinking about using something like puppet or the opensource one to manage my deployment Oct 23 00:04:48 you can also _possibly_ look into containers Oct 23 00:04:53 i mean, i'm talking about product quality dev process Oct 23 00:05:08 probably overkill, maybe git is fine Oct 23 00:05:10 hehe Oct 23 00:05:29 I wanna intercept all time traffic on port 123udp and send it to my own time server on my homenet. Iptables and DNAT is the way to do this? Oct 23 00:06:46 sounds interesting, probably a better question for #networking and #linux, maybe reddit.com/r/homelab Oct 23 00:06:56 i mean, at this point, its not really bbb specific Oct 23 00:07:26 oh are you building the time server too? Oct 23 00:07:30 it is in that I need 2 enet ports. In a small size....but I see your point. Oct 23 00:07:56 oh yeah, for sure its the right choice i think Oct 23 00:08:07 i just meant that specific question you can probably find a better expert elsewhere Oct 23 00:08:11 I'll install ntpd yes...actually...already have that running on my DNS/DHCP/NTP bbb. Oct 23 00:08:30 wow your setup sounds really cool Oct 23 00:08:54 I use the bbb to provide network services. Oct 23 00:09:27 i really want to build a bbb or some other "smart router" Oct 23 00:09:33 i think that would be a cool product, tbh Oct 23 00:09:59 this bbx15 will simply sit in the middle and pass all packets destined for the wild. Running etherape so I can see what is talking to what out there in the wild. Oct 23 00:10:55 intercepting udp123 is just to stop all my apple devices and windows devices from talking to their own notion of time server. Oct 23 00:11:07 makes no sense since I have one right there on the lan Oct 23 00:11:24 sure I can visit every box and set it to look internally. Oct 23 00:11:53 but scroothat...just intercept and force them to my own time server Oct 23 00:12:13 transparently. Oct 23 00:13:16 that way I don't have to diddle and fiddle with a dozen boxes + future boxes that show up. Oct 23 00:13:16 do you think the bbx15 will bottleneck? Oct 23 00:13:33 i have no idea btw, just throwing punches in the dark Oct 23 00:14:26 I suppose it might but I'll test it well and just see. gig in and gig out....doing nothing but routing...my bet is no. It won't be noticable. Oct 23 00:17:12 I could be wrong but I'll find out. Oct 23 00:18:04 it'll probs be okay Oct 23 00:18:11 that x15 is a big boi Oct 23 00:18:37 that's my impression. It sure boots fast. shutdown -h now takes 2 seconds. Oct 23 00:20:04 can't find a case for it though. I want metal, not 3d printed. Oct 23 00:20:41 ooh Oct 23 00:21:29 a plastic 3d printed case is like encasing the x15 inside an insulated box. Oct 23 00:21:49 much prefer metal to help with cooling. Oct 23 00:30:48 ... Oct 23 00:30:58 Has anyone used the LoadCape yet, i.e. for anything? Oct 23 00:32:20 Come on...there has to be a tester out there (somewhere), right? Oct 23 00:34:11 I bet someone comes along with experience with that cape. Sometimes just gotta wait Oct 23 00:34:25 Okay. I will wait! Oct 23 00:34:56 Hello Snert: My name is set_. I have a couple of these SiP and BBBs around this old house. Oct 23 00:35:22 Snert: What have you done w/ your BBB related devices? Oct 23 00:36:06 Speak before you think? Oct 23 00:36:07 mostly to provide network services like dhcp, dns, ntp, kerberos and ldap. Oct 23 00:36:12 Oh! Oct 23 00:36:19 I mess w/ motors only, usually. Oct 23 00:36:22 I don't do much with capes. Oct 23 00:36:37 Oh. Too bad. Making Capes is not easy business. Oct 23 00:36:48 Did you look 'em over yet? Oct 23 00:37:03 so I gather. I do not have my mind around this whole overlay concept. Oct 23 00:37:19 They got this one called a RepliCape for 3D Printing. Oct 23 00:37:26 I got it a while back but I have not applied it yet. Oct 23 00:37:27 and I do have a couple motor capes but haven't used them yet. Oct 23 00:37:33 Yea! Oct 23 00:37:45 MotorCape is something I got too. Oct 23 00:38:14 Life is good.....then it's Beer O'clock ... gotta run. Oct 23 00:38:14 It is coolness. Pardon the funny typing. I like to joke about things too often, esp. BBB related stuff. Oct 23 00:38:19 Later! Oct 23 00:38:30 hang out I bet someone knows your answer. Oct 23 00:38:36 Okay! Oct 23 00:39:33 Monday! Oct 23 01:12:32 Hi Oct 23 01:15:48 Hi Oct 23 01:15:57 Hi Oct 23 01:32:44 just tried to use apt-get upgrade after updating but am unable to because E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. i tried using apt-get autoclean / apt-get clean anyone know how else I can free up space? Oct 23 01:44:55 Ooh, Ooh...I know. Oct 23 01:45:08 What is your total GB on your SD card? Oct 23 01:46:46 Wait...do you have a 2 GB BBB from 2013? Oct 23 01:47:04 if so, use the SD Card idea. Oct 23 01:47:34 then, you can expand your filesystem to match your SD card GB amount. Oct 23 01:47:47 Memory! Oct 23 01:48:47 swaine: Did you ever try to manually, or w/ a bash script, remove those entries in /var/cache/apt/archive? Oct 23 01:49:51 I will try to remove those files real quickly and get back to this chat. Oct 23 01:51:35 That is odd. I do not have that PATH on my BBB. Oct 23 01:51:57 all I see in my archive file is lock and partial Oct 23 01:52:25 I am using the 4.14.x version w/ 2018-06-17 image. Oct 23 01:52:40 What kernel and image are you using? Oct 23 01:52:58 And...are you using your eMMC or SD Card? Oct 23 01:53:56 Oh! Oct 23 01:54:02 It is archives and not archive. Oct 23 01:54:16 thats what im in Oct 23 01:54:24 Okay. Oct 23 01:54:25 im using 4.9.78-ti-r94 Oct 23 01:54:31 Update! Oct 23 01:54:49 They have this nice, new image from BBB.io/latest-images. Oct 23 01:55:01 I was planning on updating my kernel Oct 23 01:55:08 Oh. Oct 23 01:55:12 No new image? Oct 23 01:55:15 swaine_: it just means you're out of space Oct 23 01:55:46 swaine_: freeing up space involves finding whatever takes up space and is unnecessary and getting rid of it :P Oct 23 01:55:53 check: df -h / Oct 23 01:56:01 Hey! Oct 23 01:56:03 I was helping. Oct 23 01:56:20 try df -h Oct 23 01:56:22 Hhahaha. Oct 23 01:57:08 swaine_: note that with "You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/" it doesn't mean there's stuff in that particular directory, Oct 23 01:57:29 zmatt: When you are right, you are right. Oct 23 01:57:50 just that there's not enough free space on the filesystem on which that directory is located (either eMMC or SD, depending on what you're booting from) Oct 23 01:59:44 so, if your system says you are out of space, free it up. Erase stuff! Oct 23 02:00:08 zmatt: did you see the "!?" It makes it fun! Oct 23 02:01:29 at least the system is responsive. I used an older model, 2 GB BBB w/ the eMMC and got it frozen. I could not use the system. Oct 23 02:01:41 Too much memory used up. Oct 23 02:02:25 thats what I was assuming my root directory the eMMc is pretty much used up. Oct 23 02:03:00 swaine_: what did you stuff it full with? :D Oct 23 02:03:09 So, you are using the eMMC on a 4 GB or 2 GB? Oct 23 02:03:14 are you running an iot image or lxqt image? Oct 23 02:03:20 I think the smiley face is more fun. Oct 23 02:03:25 4. the lxqt Oct 23 02:03:34 : D == funner Oct 23 02:04:03 ill just try the new image on an SD Oct 23 02:04:09 YEa! Oct 23 02:04:27 There is a real nice one now! Oct 23 02:04:34 havent messed with the BBB in a while anyway. Thisll give me an excuse. what makes it so nice Oct 23 02:05:01 I am not 100% correct but the driver issue is gone! Oct 23 02:05:11 No more messing w/ drivers! Oct 23 02:05:48 The BBB/BBBW, and so on, just boots! It boots so quickly, the system barely knows it is ready. Oct 23 02:05:52 swaine_: the lxqt image is pretty bloated. in nearly all cases you'll want the iot image Oct 23 02:06:03 or Console! Oct 23 02:06:27 or console if you're comfortable enough with debian systems and you prefer to just install the things you need Oct 23 02:06:43 im starting to realize that. at first I thought Id use the desktop on a project but never did Oct 23 02:06:50 I ran a new image yesterday. I did not receive a prompt stating that it was ready to play. I opened up a terminal. Boom! Ready! Oct 23 02:07:11 swaine_: a desktop gui really does not run comfortably on a beaglebone Oct 23 02:07:48 Yep. I did get a XFCE4 working well once, once. Oct 23 02:08:01 yeah I agree. Thanks for all the replies. got to go for now. Oct 23 02:08:07 No! Oct 23 02:08:13 Sorry. Okay. Oct 23 02:08:58 swaine is a good chum. I hope his name well. Oct 23 02:11:08 People come and go. One thing remains the same, "Football and the BBB!" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 23 02:59:59 2018