**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 14 02:59:56 2019 Jan 14 04:47:25 set_: reflashing replaces the entire contents of eMMC, bootloader included Jan 14 04:56:53 Yea! Jan 14 04:57:04 Cool! Jan 14 04:57:09 Now, I know. Jan 14 04:58:19 zmatt: I think we were talking about if the sd card image was written to the eMMC by way of uEnv.txt instead of flashing it by way of Etcher or other ways. Jan 14 04:58:20 ... Jan 14 04:58:45 that doesn't even make sense, how would you use etcher to write an image to eMMC ? Jan 14 04:59:28 I'm talking about reflashing using a flasher sd card (made by editing uEnv.txt of a normal bootable sd card) Jan 14 04:59:52 Etcher -> flashing image -> SD Card -> FLASH! Jan 14 04:59:58 I got you. Jan 14 05:00:02 I understand. Jan 14 05:00:40 zmatt: I understand now. I typed that "by way of Etcher" incorrectly. Jan 14 05:00:49 anyway, I'm off again Jan 14 05:01:00 later. Jan 14 09:49:50 updating my BBB with 2018-08-30 image. now it's downloading what seems to be a huge ti_cgt_c6000_8.2.5_armlinuxa8hf_busybox_installer.sh, mmm Jan 14 09:51:24 lol, fail Jan 14 09:51:30 that is utterly useless on a bbb Jan 14 09:53:02 i wonder what caused it to be downloaded Jan 14 09:53:18 it was probably already installed but needed an update? Jan 14 09:53:44 it's a side-effect of failing to ensure there are no beagleboard-x15-specific packages on the beaglebone image Jan 14 09:55:49 mmm, i should look at the stuff instaalled here and see Jan 14 09:56:52 i did see the update including some wireless drivers for some broadcom chip, so i guess the images are generic? although i guess that would make some sense Jan 14 09:57:28 it includes a diversity of wireless drivers in case people stick a usb wifi stick into the bbb Jan 14 09:57:41 afaik Jan 14 11:02:56 ok. finished upgrade and also rebooted. now i have a question - image still says 2018-08-30. apt-update is sufficient to keep system up-to-date, or it is better to get newer image(s)? Jan 14 11:05:24 apt upgrade will update most of the system, though kernel and bootloader are not updated automatically Jan 14 11:05:40 newer images might also differ in things like default configuration and which packages are installed Jan 14 11:09:57 i see. and what is best way to upgrade kernel if one (out of laziness) opts to keep older image? Jan 14 11:11:15 you can explicitly install a kernel package, or more conveniently there's a script for in somewhere in /opt Jan 14 11:11:51 /opt/scripts/tools/update_kernel.sh looks like it Jan 14 11:13:14 thanks! that one is great Jan 14 11:14:23 eh, it is going to update from 4.14.67 to 4.14.79. i was thinking it would take me to 4.18-something :) Jan 14 11:14:42 i'll look again when this one finishes Jan 14 11:14:50 there's no 4.18-ti series, 4.19-ti is the next one Jan 14 11:17:07 also I don't think update_kernel.sh will ever switch between series on its own Jan 14 11:17:14 due to risk of incompatible changes Jan 14 11:17:22 you can tell it explicitly to switch though Jan 14 11:19:23 do "git pull" in /opt/scripts, then run update_kernel.sh --lts-4_19 if you want to try it out Jan 14 11:20:11 I don't know what the state of the 4.19-ti series is at the moment though, it might still be missing non-mainline features if they haven't been forward-ported yet from 4.14 Jan 14 11:27:33 thank you very much for the help Jan 14 14:25:08 merhaba Jan 14 14:25:20 yeni bir tane black aldım Jan 14 14:25:31 sadece power led yanıyor Jan 14 14:25:38 ehh what? Jan 14 14:25:38 ne den olabilir Jan 14 14:25:42 please speak english Jan 14 14:26:43 hi Jan 14 14:27:05 power led on fire Jan 14 14:27:20 no other action Jan 14 14:27:24 YAY! FIRE! Jan 14 14:27:39 Is the product resetable? Jan 14 14:27:39 did you power the BBB with 12V or something? ;-) Jan 14 14:50:02 "power led on fire" is one example of a fire where you should prioritize making a video of it over extinguishing the fire Jan 14 14:50:48 zmatt: ++ Jan 14 15:58:26 quick. order pizza. Jan 14 17:30:37 may he means it's on? translating idioms lead to funny results. Jan 14 17:30:46 obviously that's what he means Jan 14 17:31:36 or maybe he burned down the place, he's gone. Jan 14 19:58:48 hi beagle fans. Is it just me or does the latest Debian IoT image not have man pages? I had to install man-db myself using apt, which was easy enough but still a bit... *unusual* Jan 14 19:58:59 that sounds odd Jan 14 20:00:17 (just to nitpick: man-db is just the "man" program and associated tools, not actually any manpages, other than for those programs) Jan 14 20:01:28 hi zmatt Jan 14 20:01:46 this is KB3ZUV, IRC was glitching a bit and put my on my other nick Jan 14 20:02:20 and yes I'm fully aware man-db is not manpages, when I installed it over apt it only used up 4MB of eMMC space Jan 14 20:02:36 if it wasn't installed, that indeed sounds like a mistake to me Jan 14 20:02:48 might just be a glitch in the matrix from when I flashed eMMC on this BBB yesterday Jan 14 20:03:27 and there's still no "info" Jan 14 20:03:41 so I need to find out what package that's part of Jan 14 20:04:29 info is in the package "info" Jan 14 20:04:48 indeed schibes Jan 14 20:04:49 no man Jan 14 20:05:04 I'll poke rcn Jan 14 20:05:47 that image has been up since early october... did seriously noone notice this any sooner? Jan 14 20:05:56 ok, just installed info too. 471kB. thanks zmatt Jan 14 20:06:11 you need man but the manpages too as zmatt said Jan 14 20:06:31 manpages manpages-dev Jan 14 20:06:46 and most of the time $package-doc or something contains the man, for specific packages Jan 14 20:07:07 well this BBB came with jessie installed when I got it at the store a few weeks ago... only flashed it yesterday because I needed to move to stretch Jan 14 20:07:40 yeah when you buy a bbb you never know how long ago it was flashed Jan 14 20:08:14 a bunch of beaglebones we purchased last year included one produced in 2014 Jan 14 20:08:21 and mawk it looks like all these programs had their man pages in eMMC already, all that was missing was the tiny 4MB package required to browse them using the "man" command Jan 14 20:08:33 I'm sure all manpages combined are a good deal larger than 4MB Jan 14 20:09:00 I doubt it was omitted for size reasons, more likely just an oversight Jan 14 20:09:02 does bbb hardware have a tendency to fail early ? like older revisions or something Jan 14 20:09:14 one failed on the desk unplugged for an unknown reason Jan 14 20:09:24 that sounds mysterious Jan 14 20:09:26 and no Jan 14 20:09:27 yeah Jan 14 20:09:38 well I googled it and found some people having the same issue, but I don't remember what it is exactly Jan 14 20:09:44 I just gave it back to the teacher because I can't solder SMD here Jan 14 20:09:52 I've never heard of it Jan 14 20:10:18 I was on a thread giving some precise voltages you can poke when you have that particular failure, and I had the sames Jan 14 20:10:51 that sounds extremely dubious Jan 14 20:11:35 no LED lighting up when plugged with 5V with either the barrel port or the usb connector, and that particular too-low-voltage on the side of the big cap Jan 14 20:11:48 but I got a new one instead Jan 14 20:11:55 and an angry teacher saying I will repay it with my money Jan 14 20:12:01 the power led didn't turn on at all, or did it blink very briefly? Jan 14 20:12:06 very briefly Jan 14 20:12:28 that's normally caused by damage to the SoC, usually due to exposure to overvoltage Jan 14 20:12:37 (on IOs) Jan 14 20:12:50 ah Jan 14 20:12:59 I guess my costudent maybe mishandled it Jan 14 20:13:33 but he swore he didn't do anything to it Jan 14 20:13:42 I'm sure he did :P Jan 14 20:13:44 maybe the male pins touched his metallic computer case and shorted Jan 14 20:13:46 lol Jan 14 20:13:48 yeah Jan 14 20:15:38 if a short killed it, my stm32 is more robust Jan 14 20:15:43 I shorted it like half a dozen times Jan 14 20:15:53 and it just shuts down when shorted, boots back up again right after Jan 14 20:16:07 but it's simpler on silicon, easier to make it fault-tolerant I guess Jan 14 20:16:15 microcontrollers like the stm32 tend to be more robust yes Jan 14 20:17:15 though I'm pretty sure I've caused shorts with the beaglebone still surviving... the pmic will shut down the board when it detects overcurrent Jan 14 20:17:18 it's not healthy though Jan 14 20:18:15 yeah Jan 14 20:18:50 maybe overvoltage then ? a barrel connector with 5V is unusual, maybe he used 9V or 12V Jan 14 20:19:00 but there's the big 5V sticker, I'm sure he saw it Jan 14 20:19:39 also beware when trying to interface the bbb to anything running on an independent power supply. you're not allowed to drive a voltage into the bbb until its own 3.3v supply is up Jan 14 20:19:55 yeah Jan 14 20:20:02 like current leaking from gpios ? Jan 14 20:20:09 if you plug it into 9V or 12V it should survive, the pmic will detect overvoltage and cut power Jan 14 20:21:19 applying > 3.3v to digital gpio or > 1.8v to analog inputs is the real danger Jan 14 20:25:50 I've notified rcn about man being missing from the image **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 15 02:59:58 2019