**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 26 02:59:56 2019 Mar 26 03:02:29 Does connmanctl work on the BBB if there is no password for WiFi? Mar 26 03:02:42 "Free WiFi!" Mar 26 03:05:47 hard to imagine it wouldn't support it, but i have virtually no experience with connman Mar 26 03:06:14 Oh. Mar 26 03:06:16 Okay. Mar 26 03:06:17 many open wifi things have a click-through page, though Mar 26 03:06:30 Well...here it is. Mar 26 03:06:45 I have an open WiFi connection coming up at a local Maker Faire. Mar 26 03:06:59 I am trying to make sure things go "smoothly." Mar 26 03:07:29 I guess I can make my current network available w/out password and test it. Mar 26 03:08:05 vagrantc: The people today told us the WiFi connection name and told us there was not a password for it. Mar 26 03:09:53 but...you say "virtually no experience w/ connman" and I will take your word for it. Mar 26 03:09:58 Off to test! Mar 26 03:11:48 I wouldn't expect connman to have any issues with an open wifi network either Mar 26 03:12:00 (but likewise, virtually no experience with it) Mar 26 03:12:09 https://gist.github.com/kylemanna/6930087 is something I found recently, i.e. two seconds ago. Mar 26 03:12:21 I will keep searching and then testing. Mar 26 03:12:55 just follow the same steps as connecting to any other wifi network Mar 26 03:13:14 I expect it'll either not ask for a password at all, or accept a blank password. (but more likely it just won't ask for one) Mar 26 03:13:34 Okay. Mar 26 03:13:51 Do you think that testing on the home network w/out passwords would be the same? Mar 26 03:14:28 I mean, that is basically the same. No password = no password. Mar 26 03:14:41 you have an open wifi network at home? ew Mar 26 03:15:32 No but for testing, I can make it that way. Mar 26 03:16:07 And then...I can find out if connmanctl works the same or differently to cancel out some unexpected issues. Mar 26 03:16:40 note that connecting a beaglebone (or any other device) to an open wifi network is kind of sub-optimal, since it also means anyone can easily connect to the beaglebone and mess with it Mar 26 03:17:10 I know. Mar 26 03:17:12 This sucks. Mar 26 03:17:35 out of all the things to worry about... Mar 26 03:17:42 Ha! Mar 26 03:17:58 it might not be a concern I guess Mar 26 03:18:20 I cannot set up my home network to work w/out password so far. Boo! Mar 26 03:18:27 very good! Mar 26 03:18:28 :D Mar 26 03:18:34 kudos to that router Mar 26 03:18:56 Ha! I figured it out! Mar 26 03:19:05 a quick test. Mar 26 03:19:12 anyway, I don't think this is something to worry about. like I said, I expect it'll work like any other wifi network, except it'll probably not ask for a password Mar 26 03:20:01 Okay. I am about to make it 100.01% sure. Mar 26 03:25:43 You were right, zmatt. The connmanctl commands in the end only asked so much. There was not a question about the password for WiFi. Mar 26 06:05:13 hi Mar 26 06:07:31 i'm new to all of this but is there a way to turn my beagle board into a x64 arch? Mar 26 06:10:31 make-aica: ehh what? Mar 26 06:15:48 is it possible to change the beaglebone board into a 64 bit architecture rather than armhf architecture? Mar 26 06:17:49 first of all, "a 64-bit architecture" is a fair bit more vague than "x64" (which is a term generally used to mean the amd64/x86_64 architecture) Mar 26 06:18:14 second, no, you can't magically "change" the architecture of a processor Mar 26 06:18:39 the architecture of a processor is determined by... (surprise!) its architecture :P Mar 26 06:19:05 can i change the processor from the board somehow? Mar 26 06:20:21 even if it were possible (it isn't), what would the point be? the result wouldn't be a beagleboard/beaglebone anymore Mar 26 06:22:33 i want to the beaglebone to be able to handle heavy computations Mar 26 06:24:46 it's not designed for heavy computations. there is however a new board in the pipeline that is designed to be mostly compatible with the beaglebone, but with a much more powerful processor: https://beagleboard.org/ai Mar 26 06:27:10 thanks for the info. is there a board right now that you know that does actually that? Mar 26 06:28:26 beaglebone-black compatible I/O but more powerful processor? no Mar 26 06:32:01 ui specs of -ai sounds like fun. I just wonder where the name does come from :/ Mar 26 06:32:25 too bad. do you know if i can make my own? Mar 26 06:34:43 make-aica: if you have to ask that question, the answer is no Mar 26 06:35:01 more generally: definitely not before the beaglebone AI is released Mar 26 06:35:59 theoretically: sure, if you have thousands of dollars and months of development time to spend on it Mar 26 06:36:54 never mind then. well, thanks for the info zmatt. Mar 26 08:52:18 native poe would be nice on that new BB board Mar 26 08:52:39 looking forward to it. Mar 26 08:53:50 it is powered via USB-C Mar 26 08:55:45 or barrel jack I assume. Mar 26 08:56:26 wait...nope just usbC. Too bad, so sad Mar 26 08:57:11 looking at the photo, I don't think there would be space for it :P Mar 26 08:59:03 I'm not buying any more dev boards until poe exists on the board I'd want Mar 26 08:59:35 I'm up to my ears in misc. dongleage, accoutrements and wall warts. Mar 26 09:00:22 Snert: that will be quite a limitation on your acquisition of dev boards ;) Mar 26 09:01:45 so far, only raspi does POE in a copacetic fashion. It uses a 3rd party card but at least it's true poe, if not native. Mar 26 09:03:13 none of this splitter bullshit or 2nd enet port. Mar 26 09:07:12 *shurgs* well thats one of the points why they're dev boards, and not finished products. Mar 26 09:07:30 If I'm not mistaken, the beaglebone would also allow such PoE cape to be developed. Mar 26 09:07:32 add poe, bundle everything up, sell it as your thing. profit! Mar 26 09:08:03 thinkfat: what makes you think that? Mar 26 09:10:06 Snert: that rpi hat doesn't even have a pass-through header, so you effectively lose all your expansion header pins Mar 26 09:10:26 I was thinking TP5-TP8, but I was wrong... Mar 26 09:11:09 I thought the relevant ethernet lines were on headers somewhere. Must have mixed that up with a different board Mar 26 09:12:15 rpi 3-B+ presumably :P Mar 26 09:12:32 quite possible Mar 26 09:12:55 I have no problems with a multitude of power supplies, but with the zoo of dev boards I have Mar 26 09:13:35 zmatt, navolabs is the one I use. https://navolabs.com/product/raspberry-pi-3-micro-poe-hat/ Mar 26 09:13:52 the gpio pins remain exposed. Mar 26 09:14:22 that's indeed more elegant Mar 26 09:14:24 and no fan, unlike the raspi foundation version. Mar 26 09:15:16 no galvanic decoupling.. -> nope Mar 26 09:15:34 that's just a buck converter. Mar 26 09:16:22 ppl want the poe part to also power a SSD but imo that's out of scope. I'm only concerned that the poe can provide enuff juice for the board itself. Mar 26 09:16:31 sure? that thing on it looks like a transformer Mar 26 09:17:07 hm, actually not sure Mar 26 09:17:15 two terminals only and L1 written on the silk screen, I doubt it Mar 26 09:17:16 no never mind Mar 26 09:17:50 yeah for some reason I thought they were two pairs of terminals... and then I stopped being blind :P Mar 26 09:18:06 the one from the raspi foundation is properly decoupled. It also doesn't work, though. Mar 26 09:18:13 lol what? Mar 26 09:18:24 Or do they have a version now that doesn't trigger the USB overcurrent protection to trip? Mar 26 09:18:36 o.O Mar 26 09:19:03 how on earth would it manage to do that? Mar 26 09:19:30 I have 3 of the raspi poe boards. It's barely sufficient to run the pi itself, it can't also run a kbd and mouse. The navolans board has no limitations. Mar 26 09:19:35 and it's silent. Mar 26 09:20:18 and it's not isolated Mar 26 09:21:17 except that your raspi's ground is now floating on the ethernet and PoE voltage level, which will create all kinds of funny carnage if you hook it up to anything Mar 26 09:22:11 I didn't have problems in that way....it was just the fan noise that made me toss them. Mar 26 09:22:31 but then I'm not running motors and steppers. Mar 26 09:22:34 he's referring to your navolabs board, the rpi foundation one doesn't have this problem Mar 26 09:23:18 motors and steppers are not a problem here since those typically don't have their own ground Mar 26 09:23:39 a communications port of another device is the problem Mar 26 09:24:09 if that other device is mains/earth referenced Mar 26 09:24:27 or otherwise grounded in some way, directly or indirectly Mar 26 09:27:09 btw, are there battery capes for the bbb? I'm thinking yes. I'm too lazy to search Mar 26 09:28:38 thinkfat: I doubt that, since the battery header pins are not officially supported, and using them safely requires patching your bbb Mar 26 09:29:32 if you do use them, you don't really need a cape... you simply connect the battery to those terminals Mar 26 09:38:23 zmatt: what type of "patching" are we talking about, cutting of traces? Mar 26 09:39:15 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/7sxPePT7wkM/_oNSCta5WusJ Mar 26 09:47:28 was that about using a backup battery? Mar 26 09:48:56 the beaglebone has only one set of battery terminals (for a single-cell li-ion/lipo battery) Mar 26 09:50:41 without the patch running on battery isn't really the problem, but once you shut down (including automatic poweroff due to low battery) you create a potentially damaging situation (explained earlier in the thread) Mar 26 09:51:56 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/7sxPePT7wkM/3vFMPydR20IJ here's my detailed explanation Mar 26 09:53:01 zmatt: ah, ok Mar 26 09:53:23 zmatt: the PMIC on the bbb could also charge the battery, I was missing out on that bit Mar 26 09:53:49 that's the whole point of the battery terminals Mar 26 10:10:24 I sort of forgot about that option entirely. Mar 26 10:10:58 I was more thinkin of making a lipo charger/booster cape. Mar 26 10:19:11 https://andicelabs.com/beaglebone-powercape/ Mar 26 10:19:14 like that ;) Mar 26 22:33:05 Hi, everyone Mar 26 22:33:45 Is beagleboard-x15 has wifi built in or should be we use a wifi dongle like in raspberry pi? Mar 26 22:45:09 hello? Mar 26 22:45:16 the beagleboard-x15 does not have wifi Mar 26 22:46:12 can we use usb wifi like with raspberry pi Mar 26 22:46:28 uhh sure? that's a general feature of linux, not board-specific Mar 26 22:50:26 hmm i plugged a usb wifi key in X15, it doesn't show anything...on the screen Mar 26 22:56:10 I have no idea if connman (the default network manager in the beagleboard.org images) has any gui to manage it... I don't have X11 installed on my bbx15 (nor do I use connman for that matter) Mar 26 22:58:24 if the appropriate driver for it is available, it should show up as wlan network interface and you should be able to connect to a wifi network using connmanctl Mar 26 22:58:51 ok thank you **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 27 02:59:57 2019