**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 18 02:59:57 2020 Feb 18 03:00:14 Right. Ihave noticed. Feb 18 03:00:37 I mean it's all solvable I'm sure, but I've never felt much reason to spend effort on that Feb 18 03:00:46 Okay. Feb 18 03:01:08 I thought it may be test worthy at times, esp. when I cannot find a way to get specific libraries on my BBB. Feb 18 03:02:52 doing a cross-build just makes everything 100 times harder Feb 18 03:03:11 if you can't get a library on the BBB, you definitely won't get it in a cross-build environment Feb 18 03:03:25 Oh. Feb 18 03:05:15 the only good reason to do cross-building is for libraries so humongous that trying to compile them on the BBB would make it run out of RAM or just take aaages... but that would have to be weighed against the time and frustration it would take to get cross-building to work Feb 18 03:05:23 libraries or applications Feb 18 03:05:30 like, I cross-build the linux kernel Feb 18 03:05:51 it's huge, it has zero library dependencies, and it's been designed to be easily cross-compilable Feb 18 03:06:17 so that one I cross-build, since there's really no reason not to Feb 18 03:06:26 but that's about the only thing I cross-build Feb 18 03:07:06 I've found it easier to distribute compilation from the BBB to our build server via distcc... that yield a decent chunk of the performance of cross-building with none of the hassle Feb 18 03:07:30 (well, apart from the hassle of getting distcc setup once, but that wasn't too bad) Feb 18 03:08:25 I never once heard of distcc. I think. Feb 18 03:08:27 Hmm. Feb 18 03:08:43 don't worry about it, it's a distraction you don't need Feb 18 03:08:51 Otay. Feb 18 03:09:03 (hides while looking it up) Feb 18 03:10:02 I shouldn't have said anything Feb 18 03:10:26 Ha. Feb 18 03:13:10 I looked it up. That is all. Feb 18 04:29:42 zmatt you are probably right... nothing said may lead to less crazy... really! reminds me I have some test fp numbers to configure. I suppose I'll have to eventually finish my SPI bus experiments, which turn out the SPI bus was fine and the LCD is likely DOA. I forgot I had one of those. Feb 18 04:30:21 Hey! Feb 18 04:30:44 Did people get negative feedback on the books produced for the BBB or something along those ideas? Feb 18 04:31:01 I am asking b/c I do not see more being produced. Feb 18 04:32:27 set_ judging from the quality it seemed more a way to make a quick killing off of clueless programmers who think embedded is cramming a PC into a machine. Feb 18 04:37:29 Me! Feb 18 04:37:41 Cram and jam, boy! Feb 18 04:37:49 Yea but... Feb 18 04:37:51 Still. Feb 18 04:37:51 As for new books well the problem is the actual debian OS kept changing so much and the information for it was a moving target. It's not terrible just difficult. Derek Malloys book was obsolete 1 month after it was published. Feb 18 04:38:19 Yea. I understand. Maybe theory would be good too. Feb 18 04:39:01 You know. Have some summaries in text format w/ some simple examples to promote newcomers. Feb 18 04:39:36 I know it has been beaten like a dead horse but it works. The author just has to take punishment. Feb 18 04:39:38 Well I know a Good person for referencing Jack Ganssle how to make good SW and what to think about. I've communicated with him for a long while. Feb 18 04:40:39 he is a good person for books (he has a few out some of them no considered classic) nice guy too. Feb 18 04:41:19 Oh. That is a start. See, things are neat still. It is not all about the complications, really difficult math equations, and/or in depth programming exercises. Feb 18 04:42:14 People like to have a view into what is to come, too. For instance, upcoming people, places, and/or registered works. Feb 18 04:42:28 History is good too. Feb 18 04:42:47 Now, for specifics... Feb 18 04:43:07 set_ without history you don't have now, without now you don't have tomorrow. Now forms tomorrow. History shows how not to make mistakes. Feb 18 04:43:33 I am a bit slow but random stuff has a tie to anything and everything. Feb 18 04:44:26 Yep. History is nice. Feb 18 04:45:53 "Once upon a time, not long ago," Feb 18 04:46:28 From that guy to this guy. From this invention to that technology. And so forth... Feb 18 04:47:30 It seems like a neat task. Include Debian Linux Distros, some BBBs, and a couple respected minds on the subject. Bam! A neat, little book-a-read. Feb 18 04:48:04 Not just how-to's. Feb 18 04:48:57 How-to's have a limited scope at times. Although, there is a starter reference for hot-to's and an endgame, there are other ways to read. Feb 18 04:49:55 I know! Hire a technical writer! Feb 18 04:50:07 set_ humans have repeated the same stupid mistakes over and over again for 10000 years. So ... why be different? :D Feb 18 04:50:25 B/c...projects are neat. Feb 18 04:50:59 Neat project BBB, neat project book that incorporates BBB into the mix and so on... Feb 18 04:51:17 do you have a pocket beagle? Feb 18 04:51:21 No. Feb 18 04:51:39 I am not soldering everything imaginable to prove I can. Feb 18 04:51:55 I know I am terrible at it. Plain and simple. Feb 18 04:52:38 I know. Steady hands and heat the element but not the solder. Feb 18 04:53:40 Then, the solder heats up by the element and magic ooze! Feb 18 04:54:43 Debian 10 is out, Buster. Ha. Feb 18 04:55:19 buster was released more than half a year ago Feb 18 04:55:24 Come GenTooMan: Let us make this historical lesson known to the BBB community. Feb 18 04:55:40 Okay. Okay. It still is new. Feb 18 04:55:56 Compared to how long Stretch has been around, Buster is new. Feb 18 04:56:36 I know. Sid and the next non-stable release is around the corner too. Feb 18 04:56:41 debian releases happen on fairly regular intervals, about once per two years Feb 18 04:56:56 sid is never around the corner Feb 18 04:57:08 sid is the permanent name for debian unstable Feb 18 04:57:13 That has to be new to the whole idea, right. Feb 18 04:57:14 unstable is always sid, sid is always unstable Feb 18 04:57:21 Ooh. Okay. Now, I know. Feb 18 04:57:30 the next release will be bullseye Feb 18 04:57:40 Oh. Right. I forgot. Feb 18 04:57:41 Sheesh. Feb 18 04:57:48 Bullseye! Feb 18 04:58:09 I still think a history to present to future would be neat. Feb 18 04:58:22 you mean https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases ? Feb 18 04:58:58 specifically https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Production_Releases Feb 18 04:59:18 Right. Feb 18 05:00:01 Was debian named after the person that departed the inventor of the OS? Feb 18 05:00:08 I know it is more complicated than that... Feb 18 05:00:22 Deb is the part about the woman who left. Feb 18 05:02:43 "the woman who left" ... you mean his wife, Debra Feb 18 05:02:55 And that fellow is Ian. Feb 18 05:02:58 Debian. Feb 18 05:03:13 names can be pretty simple Feb 18 05:03:20 It is a long story. Feb 18 05:03:37 I read it once. Only once. I cannot remember everything. Feb 18 05:04:18 I think the book I read it from was Debian Handbook. Feb 18 05:04:26 When wheezy was around. Feb 18 05:06:50 set_ the one constant is change. Feb 18 05:14:07 Oh well, I tried. Feb 18 05:14:29 I keep trying and I feel like I am getting shutdown each time. Is it just me? Feb 18 05:19:39 set_ there is always more to learn, maybe you need to learn patience. I no it's in short supply these days. Feb 18 05:20:00 no = know. Well brain says to sleep to die. I prefer the sleep. Feb 18 05:22:25 Sleep, GenTooMan, sleep. Wispers of grace and BBBs like ovens. Feb 18 05:22:35 Later for now! Feb 18 05:22:42 See you guys another day. Feb 18 08:34:27 will pi cam compatible for beaglebone black? Feb 18 10:35:22 Hi There! Feb 18 10:36:36 We are struggling to upload and install a CRT . ROOT certification on an BeagleBone bord.. Feb 18 10:37:02 how to do? Feb 18 10:39:54 Is there someone send me quote to realize this request? Feb 18 10:40:24 marcel.jenny@rotronic.ch Feb 18 13:59:25 hi Feb 18 18:41:29 zmatt perhaps I shouldn't have explained very simple looking but surprisingly ridiculously hard problems to set_? I was trying to instil the idea that some things take a long time. FP to decimal formatting has been being worked on since late 60's and early 70's and only in 2003 to 2010 became somewhat better. Feb 18 23:44:57 GenTooMan: oh wow, yes, that will be afun concept for someone like set_ to grasp ;P Feb 18 23:49:01 fp to decimal formatting doesn't really sound like a very difficult problem to me... mostly just a bit annoying. unless you want to do it *efficiently* I guess :P Feb 18 23:51:28 What will? Feb 18 23:53:04 zmatt one syllable response no on all counts. It's not just a "bit annoying" you should read up on it because it Looks easy but lets just say only in the last 10 years has it reached the efficient part LOL. Feb 18 23:58:19 like I said, "unless you wan to do it efficiently" :P Feb 18 23:58:24 *want Feb 18 23:59:25 like, if I'm allowed a floating-point division then it doesn't sound too bad Feb 19 00:00:09 except for annoying edge-case analysis and having to make sure the log10-estimate is good enough Feb 19 00:00:31 but maybe I'm overlooking things, that's entirely possible Feb 19 00:07:52 on the bright side, smart people have already solved and implemented it ;) Feb 19 00:08:42 well unfortunately it does have a lot of edge cases and things such as dealing with FP quirks. Well only recently like 2018 ... kind of recent. They are still improving it after over 50 years of working on it. LOL Feb 19 00:09:03 yeah the longer I think about it the more edge-cases there are Feb 19 00:09:12 that's what I meant with "annoying" Feb 19 00:09:34 then you have FP quirks IE +-NAN +-infinity <-- those quirks. Feb 19 00:09:47 those don't add complication though, just code Feb 19 00:09:52 then you have sub normals... too Feb 19 00:10:28 again... those don't add difficulty, just more cases, more annoyance Feb 19 00:10:47 it's going to be an ugly piece of code no matter what Feb 19 00:12:09 yeah... it definitely gets ugly. Feb 19 00:15:37 I'll put some links up when I remember too. Feb 19 00:21:32 :D Feb 19 00:23:00 well it's not one or two that's the problem so I can't paste it here. Feb 19 02:56:46 http://wiki.seeedstudio.com/Seeed-Studio-BeagleBone-Green-LCD-Cape-with-Resistive-Touch/ Feb 19 02:56:55 Can this Cape still work w/ the updated image? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 19 02:59:57 2020