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Mar 10 03:01:02 <zmatt> dd and tar perform completely different functions
Mar 10 03:15:56 <set_> dd and tar!
Mar 10 03:21:19 <set_> Does anyone set up the BBB to play bass trumbone?
Mar 10 03:21:51 <set_> Or any musical intrument for that matter?
Mar 10 03:22:02 <set_> a s belongs in there somewhere.
Mar 10 03:22:46 <set_> I saw this guy online make a LED bar guitar but it was an aruino.
Mar 10 03:28:09 <KenUnix> set_ I got the BBB working with my programs & source on  a flash drive called /mnt/sda1/bin and added it to my PATH virable in /etc/bash.bashrc. Also the /dev/sda1 is auto mount & exec.
Mar 10 03:30:24 <KenUnix> And check 2 in /etc/fstab
Mar 10 03:31:08 <KenUnix> I have been optimizing my "C" code today to slim it down.
Mar 10 03:32:46 <KenUnix> So I have BWBASIC and Focal running. Focal started out as a DEC program back in 1970
Mar 10 03:33:43 <KenUnix> gcc didn't like my Makefile from Ubuntu
Mar 10 03:34:44 <KenUnix> tar = Tape Archiver
Mar 10 03:35:33 <KenUnix> I dosen't save a lot of space but creates a nice portable file.
Mar 10 03:37:32 <KenUnix> If you have a folder named xxx you could tar -cvf fart.tar xxx . that would create a file without a fixed path
Mar 10 03:38:26 <KenUnix> Or relative. then you could do  tar -tvf fart.tar to see what's in it.
Mar 10 03:39:02 <KenUnix> And tar -xvf fart.tar to extract it.
Mar 10 03:39:33 <set_> Nice.
Mar 10 03:39:44 <KenUnix> Any body here?
Mar 10 03:39:48 <set_> Me, me, me.
Mar 10 03:40:08 <KenUnix> Just some simple tar hints.
Mar 10 03:40:23 <set_> Dr. Pharts, is that you?
Mar 10 03:40:32 <set_> Thank you, sir.
Mar 10 03:40:34 <KenUnix> Yuk
Mar 10 03:40:49 <set_> You typed fart.tar xxx.
Mar 10 03:41:21 <set_> We are even now.
Mar 10 03:41:53 <KenUnix> Well ok then use xray.tar. It's good to call you tar file something .tar so later you know what type of file it is.
Mar 10 03:41:57 <set_> So, say from 0 to 10, how much optimization have you covered?
Mar 10 03:42:03 <set_> Okay.
Mar 10 03:42:30 <KenUnix> I used O3
Mar 10 03:42:34 <set_> 3.14?
Mar 10 03:42:36 <set_> Ha.
Mar 10 03:42:43 <KenUnix> And Os
Mar 10 03:42:54 <set_> Oh. Yea. Do not forget the millionths.
Mar 10 03:43:28 <KenUnix> Love C code & assembler code
Mar 10 03:43:32 <set_> Oh?
Mar 10 03:43:33 <set_> WHy so?
Mar 10 03:43:39 <set_> I mean...
Mar 10 03:43:46 <set_> Why do you love .c files so much?
Mar 10 03:44:13 <set_> b/c of calling whatever already made library is simple or b/c it takes forever and a day?
Mar 10 03:44:25 <set_> The end result is fast though.
Mar 10 03:45:26 <set_> Actually, I found this college that produced this neural network for mental health.
Mar 10 03:45:37 <set_> It is actually very interesting.
Mar 10 03:45:37 <KenUnix> Well your getting closer to the machine. Not all high level stuff. Do you want to always content with someone elses library?
Mar 10 03:45:58 <set_> No, not always but some are good and simple/easy to use.
Mar 10 03:46:17 <set_> Ease and access has always drawn crowds.
Mar 10 03:46:31 <GenTooMan> (aka lazy)
Mar 10 03:46:34 <set_> KenUnix: Ha.
Mar 10 03:46:44 <KenUnix> I have a strange problem. Some command line tools I
Mar 10 03:46:52 <set_> But...i want to show you this neural network for mental health.
Mar 10 03:46:53 <set_> Oh.
Mar 10 03:47:15 <GenTooMan> you should be worried about mental health use mental floss today.
Mar 10 03:47:19 <KenUnix>  need to use shift/backspace while others only need backspace.
Mar 10 03:47:43 <KenUnix> Ha
Mar 10 03:49:12 <KenUnix> Sounds like something isn't use ANSI escape codes. Cause in those mis-behevided programs hitting backspace produces ^H
Mar 10 03:50:35 <set_> Oh. "\\"
Mar 10 03:50:36 <set_> Ha.
Mar 10 03:50:47 <KenUnix> Got to go. See you tomorrow
Mar 10 03:50:50 <set_> No!
Mar 10 03:50:54 <set_> Please...
Mar 10 03:50:55 <set_> Wait.
Mar 10 03:50:58 <set_> Okay fine.
Mar 10 03:51:00 <KenUnix> ok
Mar 10 03:51:03 <set_> Yes?
Mar 10 03:51:13 <set_> You will stay?
Mar 10 03:51:18 <KenUnix> i'm waiting
Mar 10 03:51:27 <set_> https://medium.com/center-for-data-science/chronic-disease-prediction-using-urban-data-machine-learning-e4a0c8bef9fa
Mar 10 03:51:33 <set_> Is a link to read if you get bored.
Mar 10 03:51:38 <set_> I will look for the library again.
Mar 10 03:52:16 <set_> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-019-0365-9 and this one is more interesting.
Mar 10 03:52:26 <set_> Only if you are bored.
Mar 10 03:52:29 <set_> That is all.
Mar 10 03:53:27 <KenUnix> I boooked them will look tomorrow. bye got to do a backup of laptop
Mar 10 03:54:07 <set_> Okay.
Mar 10 03:54:10 <set_> Later for now.
Mar 10 12:21:46 <Mikahil> Hello! Is there anybody, who worked with SPI on BBB?
Mar 10 12:22:34 <Mikahil> I Tried a lot of guides, but all of them are not work:
Mar 10 12:22:39 <Mikahil> I Tried a lot of guides, but all of them are not work
Mar 10 12:25:24 <Mikahil> https://gist.github.com/pdp7/33a8ad95efcbcc0fadc3f96a70d4b159 - the last message. May be there is anybody who can help me
Mar 10 12:28:26 <pdp7> Hi, oh that is me :)
Mar 10 12:28:35 <pdp7> It's been awhile since I wrote that
Mar 10 12:28:41 <pdp7> What is the issue?
Mar 10 12:58:34 <Mikahil> debian@beaglebone:~/gavrilov$ sudo ./a.out --device /dev/spidev2.1 --verbose
Mar 10 12:58:35 <Mikahil> 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................................|
Mar 10 13:01:00 <Mikahil> I used this code: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/torvalds/linux/master/tools/spi/spidev_test.c
Mar 10 13:05:30 <Mikahil> When i try this one: https://pastebin.com/uQEz1Y1b I have "SPI: SPI_IOC_MESSAGE Failed: Invalid argument
Mar 10 13:33:25 <pdp7> I'm not near a beagle write now but i'll have to try it later
Mar 10 13:33:41 <pdp7> one thing that is important is to run the version.sh script
Mar 10 13:33:51 <pdp7> sometimes old u-boot on emmc causes problems
Mar 10 13:34:29 <pdp7> https://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#U-Boot_Overlays
Mar 10 13:34:33 <pdp7> debian@beaglebone:/opt/scripts/tools$ sudo ./version.sh | grep bootloader
Mar 10 14:08:01 <Mikhail> Thanks!
Mar 10 15:15:55 <zmatt> pdp7: old u-boot on eMMC would cause the spidev to be missing, it wouldn't cause an EINVAL from SPI_IOC_MESSAGE
Mar 10 15:15:55 <pdp7> ok, thanks
Mar 10 15:15:55 <zmatt> oh, but he has no error checking
Mar 10 15:15:55 <zmatt> oh never mind python throws on fail
Mar 10 15:16:10 <zmatt> wait this is C, why was I thinking python
Mar 10 15:16:39 <zmatt> hmm, does passing -1 as fd to ioctl result in EINVAL?  I'd presume it would give EBADF
Mar 10 15:21:23 <zmatt> also, useless use of "sudo"
Mar 10 23:59:51 <KenUnix> What's goin on?
Mar 11 00:22:45 <set_> Nothing. Who is asking?
Mar 11 00:24:02 <set_> KenUnix: I got a cheap-O, depot chromebook for the Maker Faire. That is what is going on w/ me.
Mar 11 00:24:40 <set_> I got computer vision, electromechanical capabilities, and a GPS!
Mar 11 00:24:53 <set_> "In this thang man!"
Mar 11 00:25:54 <set_> It is like a micro computer w/ HDMI, USB, and a SD Card port.
Mar 11 00:26:12 <set_> I plugged in my BBBW already to test it out.
Mar 11 00:26:19 <set_> It works!
Mar 11 00:32:30 <set_> Now...
Mar 11 00:32:47 <set_> I can change things up at the faire if something was to go odd.
Mar 11 00:33:21 <KenUnix> Goin to the fair are you?
Mar 11 00:34:00 <set_> Yep. Off to the Faire.
Mar 11 00:34:22 <set_> 18 days and counting!
Mar 11 00:34:30 <KenUnix> Well have a good time. Where is it?
Mar 11 00:34:35 <set_> Louisiana!
Mar 11 00:34:47 <set_> The Parish of Parishes.
Mar 11 00:35:16 <set_> KenUnix: Are you going to come visit?
Mar 11 00:35:53 <KenUnix> Years back my yearly treck was to the Trentom Computer Faire in Trenton NJ. Big, thounds of folks
Mar 11 00:36:04 <set_> Nice.
Mar 11 00:36:52 <set_> NJ, boardwalks!
Mar 11 00:37:40 <KenUnix> I ordered a replacment laptop for my aging Dell 5755. It's also a Dell 5755 Blue, 12GB RAM, 2TB Hard disk, 17.3" display, Windows 10. $175 bucks...
Mar 11 00:38:09 <KenUnix> Good deal I think
Mar 11 00:38:45 <KenUnix> AMD quad core A8 64-bit
Mar 11 00:39:47 <KenUnix> Yea, the seashore. Hot pretzels, salt water taffy, pizza, arcades, fun fun
Mar 11 00:40:10 <KenUnix> Casino's too
Mar 11 00:40:13 <set_> Dang. Good deal.
Mar 11 00:40:23 <set_> Yep.
Mar 11 00:40:43 <set_> taffy.
Mar 11 00:41:02 <KenUnix> I got seller down from $200 to $175
Mar 11 00:41:23 <KenUnix> You know what "salt water tafy" is?
Mar 11 00:42:39 <KenUnix> Have any interest in Python?
Mar 11 00:43:20 <set_> Yep.
Mar 11 00:43:24 <set_> Yep and Yep.
Mar 11 00:43:31 <KenUnix> wait a min...
Mar 11 00:43:34 <set_> Otay.
Mar 11 00:44:15 <KenUnix> Have a look at this:  https://www.adafruit.com/product/4514?utm_source=Adafruit+Products+Newsletter&utm_campaign=dc718e48dc-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_10_01_58&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f5693aed98-dc718e48dc-114549679
Mar 11 00:45:20 <KenUnix> I was reading a Pi 4 w/ 2GB RAM $35.00...
Mar 11 00:45:59 <set_> Oh.
Mar 11 00:46:04 <KenUnix> See it here : https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-computer-quick-start/raspberry-pi-quick-setup?utm_source=Adafruit+Products+Newsletter&utm_campaign=dc718e48dc-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_10_01_58&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f5693aed98-dc718e48dc-114549679
Mar 11 00:46:18 <set_> Oh.
Mar 11 00:46:26 <set_> Yea. I know about those boards.
Mar 11 00:46:52 <KenUnix> Is raspian just another name for Linux?
Mar 11 00:46:58 <set_> Right.
Mar 11 00:47:04 <set_> It is debian for the Rpi.
Mar 11 00:47:32 <set_> THey have their own distro like bone-linux.
Mar 11 00:47:48 <set_> Or anyone who builds and deploys.
Mar 11 00:48:01 <KenUnix> Look at that page above you will see varoius models on the right..
Mar 11 00:48:22 <set_> I know already. I do not need to look. I have seen many of them.
Mar 11 00:48:29 <set_> No offense.
Mar 11 00:48:57 <set_> Pi has hats like the BBB has capes.
Mar 11 00:48:57 <set_> Similar but different.
Mar 11 00:49:10 <KenUnix> Ever run a BBB off SD-Card instead of eMMc?
Mar 11 00:49:18 <set_> All 'da time!
Mar 11 00:50:25 <set_> I got my BBBW set up w/ a sd card for memory. I need lots b/c I do things that stress its contents at times.
Mar 11 00:50:54 <KenUnix> Was reading in Google Beaglebone ruop guy suggests using Class 4 SD  for running but a Class 10 tp burn image.
Mar 11 00:51:01 <set_> Class 10 is what I read years ago. I am not sure these days.
Mar 11 00:52:00 <set_> I still use Class 10 cards w/out issues.
Mar 11 00:52:31 <KenUnix> Running off the SD how do you back it up?  See any speed differences eMMc/SD ?
Mar 11 00:52:42 <set_> Well, unless I plug the wrong wire into a header pin when not thinking, the boards work.
Mar 11 00:52:44 <set_> Oh.
Mar 11 00:53:43 <set_> No, not really. Speed is similar. I mean, how can we compute what speed kbs = 44 or kbs = 85 really is, you know. It cannot be that big of a difference when using source to transfer files.
Mar 11 00:54:03 <KenUnix> Recommendation is remove SD. Hook to P.C. and copy to another SD... What do yea think?
Mar 11 00:54:28 <set_> If you want to back up items, use a source/software like WinSCP.
Mar 11 00:54:34 <set_> Or...use WinSCP.
Mar 11 00:55:02 <set_> It will transfer your files from Linux BBB boards to a win desktop for you to goof w/.
Mar 11 00:55:18 <KenUnix> Yea, but after installing via sudo apt install that won't help
Mar 11 00:55:20 <set_> Then, you can open them in whatever program you use to develop.
Mar 11 00:55:30 <set_> Hmm.
Mar 11 00:55:34 <set_> What do you mean?
Mar 11 00:56:17 <KenUnix> If your running a package or two WinSCP won't help
Mar 11 00:56:37 <set_> Oh. YOu need a command?
Mar 11 00:56:55 <KenUnix> That's where an image is required
Mar 11 00:57:04 <set_> I transfer files all the time.
Mar 11 00:57:14 <set_> I do not understand what you are trying to do yet.
Mar 11 00:57:36 <set_> Move (transfer) files/dirs. to Win 10 from debian?
Mar 11 00:58:21 <set_> I have moved the files from debian to Win 10 and back w/out complication. I also, well, had to use chmod on some files to add permissions back.
Mar 11 00:58:35 <KenUnix> Type into BB  hostname -I.  System running with added applications need to backup image containing everything
Mar 11 00:58:46 <set_> Okay. Please hold.
Mar 11 00:59:47 <KenUnix> Yea, within linux I use   cp --peserve  source destination
Mar 11 01:00:09 <KenUnix> Yea, within linux I use   cp --preserve  source destination
Mar 11 01:00:39 <set_> Okay. So, some script, somewhere, might get you to download your deps. and file system?
Mar 11 01:01:47 <set_> Okay. Done. I typed hostname and hostname -I
Mar 11 01:01:49 <KenUnix> Or run out of eMMc and burn-SD
Mar 11 01:02:35 <KenUnix> Did you get your gateway IP addresses?
Mar 11 01:02:44 <set_> What are you trying to figure out? Are you trying to figure out why Win 10 only supports wsl and not full-blown Linux Distros w/ backwards compatibility?
Mar 11 01:02:49 <set_> Oh. Yea!
Mar 11 01:03:23 <set_> IP addresses...they printed.
Mar 11 01:12:41 <KenUnix> Lost connection
Mar 11 01:13:05 <KenUnix> What were you saying?
Mar 11 01:14:20 <KenUnix> set_ ?
Mar 11 01:20:39 <set_> Oh.
Mar 11 01:20:41 <set_> Hello.
Mar 11 01:20:54 <set_> Um...yep.
Mar 11 01:22:04 <set_> brb
Mar 11 01:25:23 <KenUnix> Before I got disconnected what were we saying?
Mar 11 01:26:21 <KenUnix> Gottta run . Talk tomorrow
Mar 11 02:07:59 <GenTooMan> hmmm py-spidev doesn't seem to be happily pip3 installing thoughts (if possible)
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