**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 16 02:59:58 2020 Mar 16 03:00:03 I liked xfce4. I guess I have to move on or listen to you on how to fix the issue. Mar 16 03:00:54 Sweet mate-terminal works too Mar 16 03:01:20 Nice! Terminals make the mundane fast and easy. Mar 16 03:01:24 Am getting some socket timeouts though Mar 16 03:01:51 Ut oh. I have all sorts of issues all the time now. I am just glad you were around to solve the xfce4 issue. Mar 16 03:02:40 Add tis line after lxterminal mate-terminal --display=":1" & Mar 16 03:02:49 Alright. Mar 16 03:02:58 Then you have multiple terminals running Mar 16 03:03:09 I am in my server right now but I will do it. Oh! Mar 16 03:03:22 I do not think multiple terminals is good. Right? Mar 16 03:03:48 personally i like mater-terminal better Mar 16 03:03:53 KenUnix: Are you using PuTTY to run your x11 terminal display? Mar 16 03:03:59 personally i like mate-terminal better Mar 16 03:04:21 no vncviewer Mar 16 03:04:29 I never once figured out how to use PuTTY for running the display. Mar 16 03:04:31 Oh. Okay. Mar 16 03:04:45 I used x11 forwarding and it just plain did not work. Mar 16 03:13:57 I guess I need xming now. Mar 16 03:14:01 Sheesh. Mar 16 03:14:06 More, more, more. Mar 16 03:19:27 Boy o boy. Mar 16 03:19:35 xming is um, something. Mar 16 03:31:44 A big, large gray screen! Mar 16 03:36:41 sounds fmiliar Mar 16 03:37:15 gotta go for tonight Mar 16 03:41:03 Later... Mar 16 08:37:52 hi, I cannot find the layout file (PDF) for the beagleboard X15, is it publicly available? Mar 16 08:38:21 also can't find the rev.C schematic (only the rev. B2 seems to be on github) Mar 16 09:15:54 hello Mar 16 17:31:55 Hi there, I am currently using a beaglebone enhanced V1G for its wireless capabilities. I have some spi stepper drivers that I am trying to interface to. I developed C++ code to do this which almost works perfectly. I have one last issue to fix. I understand that the hardware on these V1Gs is different than the black in that they use bus 1 and bus Mar 16 17:31:55 2. However, when I try to use the same bus for two steppers on the separate chip selects i get an error. I am not too sure why. is there more to this spi hardware discrepancy that I am not aware of? Mar 16 18:40:50 Hey, Does anyone know how to connect to the Barometer on the beaglebone blue? Mar 16 18:55:30 Ian: spi should work identically on the BBE and BBB, except that spi0 cs0 (for historical reasons called /dev/spidev1.0) is in use by the spi dataflash Mar 16 20:03:34 zmatt so if I want to use three spi devices and control them with the beaglebone enhanced what are the bus and device numbers that must be used? Mar 16 20:12:03 you can use spi0 cs1 and (when hdmi audio is disabled) spi1 cs0 and cs1. or you could use an overlay to configure gpio chip selects which would give you even more freedom (it ought to support more than two chip selects per bus in that case but I don't remember if the kernel driver supports this currently). for historical reasons the bus numbering is 1 higher than it should be (i.e. spi0 is bus 1, ... Mar 16 20:12:09 ...spi1 is bus 2). if you have a recent enough version of the bb-customizations package then there are symlinks in /dev/spi/ with the correct numbering (e.g. /dev/spi/0.1 for spi0 cs1) Mar 16 20:44:43 got it. Thank you Mar 16 22:46:50 I am trying to run a kernel as a kvm guest Mar 16 22:47:00 kvm run -i initrd.img-5.4.20 --kernel vmlinuz-5.4.20 --console serial Mar 16 22:47:24 not very successful though, https://pastebin.com/B0zd3gKG Mar 16 22:47:50 I believe that kernel is loaded but output is going to somewhere else? Mar 16 23:24:10 It is interesting whether kvm-on-bbx15 might be a gsoc project Mar 17 00:33:16 embden[m] well it would be good if they did the bbx15 and bb AI since they are the same core processor. Mar 17 00:34:21 GenTooMan: I believe that bb AI has less ram Mar 17 00:36:23 embden[m]: half the ram, 4 times the eMMC Mar 17 00:37:06 also half the ram bandwidth Mar 17 00:40:35 at least, it only uses one of the two ddr3 channels, which in princple reduces available bandwidth by 50%, but the channels are interleaved in 128-byte chunks (iirc), which is larger than the processor cache line size, which means that making effective use of the bandwidth available when both channels are in use will depend on cache prefetching and parallel access by multiple cores/peripherals Mar 17 00:52:47 zmatt, I have an off topic question. I got in my new-used Dell laptop to replace my failing unit and I am trying to decide to go with Linux or keep Winblows 10 or maybe dual boot? Mar 17 00:53:16 It has a 17.3" display, 12GB ram & a 2TB hard drive. Mar 17 00:53:19 I'm the wrong person to ask, I've never had a computer running windows Mar 17 00:53:31 I went from mac to linux Mar 17 00:54:00 Which Linux Mar 17 00:55:10 which distro I first used? no idea Mar 17 00:56:13 I know Ubuntu pretty well. I do use Virtualbox and Debain has a bunch of support issues like NOT upgradeable version of virtualbox Mar 17 00:57:47 Install Ubunto 20.04 & Winblows 10 should work. I think I could still use Clonezilla to do backups Mar 17 00:58:17 Clonezilla drive to drive image Mar 17 00:59:09 ubuntu is probably a fine choice if its vision fits you. I think that once you reach a certain point of customization it'd be a bit pointless to use ubuntu instead of debian. having said that, I haven't used ubuntu in a long time so I don't know if that's still true. I do remember the time when Ubuntu Server required a graphical boot even on headless systems :P Mar 17 00:59:10 nly Winblows uses 4 partitions already Mar 17 00:59:13 O Mar 17 00:59:20 for many purposes debian and ubuntu are interchangeable Mar 17 01:00:15 Winblows uses 4 partitions already. That would suck for Ubuntu/Debain, no? Mar 17 01:00:39 ? Mar 17 01:01:03 Winblows uses 4 partitions on HD Mar 17 01:01:06 why would ubuntu/debian care about how many partitions you have? Mar 17 01:01:11 or what they are used for Mar 17 01:01:30 Isn't there a max partition number? Mar 17 01:02:02 if you're using an old style partition table (not GPT) then your BIOS may care Mar 17 01:02:09 I think ubuntu has an ubuntu server now, i.e. no GUI. Mar 17 01:02:51 for amd64 if that matters. Mar 17 01:03:01 set_: I was talking about ubuntu server, it used a graphical boot even if you had no GUI installed (i.e. you'd have a graphical startup with progress bar, and then it'd drop into text mode login prompt) Mar 17 01:03:12 Oh. Mar 17 01:03:14 Okay. Mar 17 01:03:15 that was a while ago though, I hope they've fixed that nowadays Mar 17 01:03:28 I don't really care though, it's not like I use it :P Mar 17 01:03:33 Ha. Mar 17 01:03:49 I use the server on one of my old workstations. Mar 17 01:03:59 I wanted to host my own site but failed miserably. Mar 17 01:04:00 The machine has a bios from 2018 Mar 17 01:04:05 Update! Mar 17 01:04:11 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/556372 Mar 17 01:04:14 Status: WontFix Mar 17 01:04:36 ah but it's no longer relevant Mar 17 01:05:07 Last bios image is A12. the one on the box Mar 17 01:05:17 Oh. They have updated versions. Mar 17 01:05:23 KenUnix: anyway, I know nothing about dual-booting Mar 17 01:05:30 A13 and 14, I am pretty sure. Mar 17 01:05:38 Check out Dell.com. Mar 17 01:05:58 It would have to be for a Dell 5755 Mar 17 01:06:14 You are going to want the update bios -v for dual booting anyway. Mar 17 01:06:24 Bugs. Mar 17 01:07:32 I had a new computer once! The computer was a dell. The dell.com site said "urgent" update for bios on my laptop. Mar 17 01:07:54 What's a bios -v? Mar 17 01:07:57 The list of issues was too long for me to bother w/ at the time. Mar 17 01:08:00 version Mar 17 01:08:18 bios version, right? Mar 17 01:09:18 If you have a win system, 10 I guess, dual booting is easy w/ Ubuntu but you are going to need to fix up some things w/ Debian. Mar 17 01:09:57 I had the foolish I could move the hard drive from my current machine to the new one. I forget the entanglement with matching ID from motherboard. I don't think Mar 17 01:10:05 I can do a simple move... Mar 17 01:10:19 Heh? You cannot just plug and play? Mar 17 01:10:20 that should work just fine Mar 17 01:10:23 I think Mar 17 01:10:29 not sure, unless windows is missing drivers in that case Mar 17 01:11:02 I have ripped out old hard drives and replaced them w/ SSD before. IT done worketh fine. Mar 17 01:11:32 Is that what you are talking about? Mar 17 01:11:39 But it checks the hardware ID's to validate you are not cloneing Windows... Mar 17 01:11:58 Hmm. Mar 17 01:12:25 yeah but doesn't a new pc come with a new activation code or something? (I don't really know anything about windows) Mar 17 01:12:26 So, moving the OS on a hard drive to your new machin may not work unless you purchase Win 10> Mar 17 01:12:43 I get that idea. Money. Mar 17 01:13:04 Microshit doesn't wnat you to be able to clone to multiple machines. Mar 17 01:13:13 Oh. Yea. I know. Mar 17 01:13:47 No cloning. Mar 17 01:13:55 Well, not w/ win 10. Mar 17 01:14:27 I think worse case it will ask me for my C Mar 17 01:14:35 OA key code? Mar 17 01:14:43 If it is already on the hard drive, you should be able to get away w/ it but...who knows? I had win 7 on my older PC. Mar 17 01:15:01 I missed the update date and got Ubuntu server on it. Mar 17 01:15:25 It workeths. Mar 17 01:15:40 Moving all my programs & data would be a big ass task. Mar 17 01:16:09 Oh. Yea. You are right. I wonder. Try plug and play and if that does not work, do the work. I guess. Mar 17 01:16:47 Man, if I only had a Win 10 system that was disposable. Mar 17 01:16:53 I would try myself. Mar 17 01:17:20 KenUnix: Did you ever try to put Linux on a ChromeBook? Mar 17 01:17:32 Yea you are right. Clone the drive with Clonezilla and put it in the new PC. It it don't work I haven't lost anything but time. Mar 17 01:17:46 Oh. Mar 17 01:18:01 I thought you were going to put the entire HDD in the new computer. Mar 17 01:18:35 i am Mar 17 01:18:50 Save it to an external hard drive instead for back up, first! Mar 17 01:19:14 Hmm. KenUnix: I never get what you are talking about and it is my issue. No issue. Mar 17 01:19:14 cloning drive from original machine and put that in new machine Mar 17 01:19:21 Oh. Mar 17 01:19:24 I got you now. Mar 17 01:19:36 Did you back it up yet? Mar 17 01:20:03 no. I do that about every couple of weeks Mar 17 01:20:23 Oh. Okay. I know things get weird at times. Just checking. Mar 17 01:20:45 So... Mar 17 01:20:48 Let me get this right. Mar 17 01:21:37 Clonezilla makes "real" images. UUID and all. Windows dosen't know. It thinks is a good drive. Mar 17 01:21:49 Oh. Okay. Mar 17 01:21:53 I was unaware. Mar 17 01:22:12 I have not done that before w/ Win. I have failed at it. Mar 17 01:22:18 Know changing PC hardware might be a different story. Mar 17 01:23:02 I wish you had a photo of this mechanical wonderland you are about to embark on. Mar 17 01:23:17 SATA to SATA? Mar 17 01:23:34 Just get a machine drive and a SATA to USB cable and put Clonezilla on a flash drive and boot off that. Mar 17 01:23:44 Aw. Mar 17 01:24:21 Just get a MATCHING drive and a SATA to USB cable and put Clonezilla on a flash drive and boot off that. Mar 17 01:24:39 Did I type Godspeed yet? Mar 17 01:24:59 Clonezilla is menu driven. Hard to screw up. It works Mar 17 01:25:09 Okay. I am off to look at it. Mar 17 01:25:13 I cannot wait! Mar 17 01:26:20 Wait. I do not want to do it. Mar 17 01:26:24 What am I saying. Mar 17 01:26:28 I thought you wanted to do it? Mar 17 01:26:43 hey all. i got a question about the usb_gadget system on the beaglebone black Mar 17 01:27:12 Ask away! Mar 17 01:27:33 But... Mar 17 01:27:48 Do not expect me to answer. I do not know much. Wait for others to reply. Mar 17 01:28:07 statistically speaking, if you have a question, then asking it greatly improves the chances of getting an answer Mar 17 01:28:29 (as opposed to merely announcing you have a question but not asking it) Mar 17 01:28:52 I use Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.8.8 to burn flash and this version of Clonezilla clonezilla-live-2.6.3-7-amd64.iso Mar 17 01:30:32 set_ I use Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.8.8 to burn flash so it's UFEI ready and this version of Clonezilla clonezilla-live-2.6.3-7-amd64.iso to do the drive cloning. Mar 17 01:33:22 A lot of good compliments re BBB. Dated but interesting Mar 17 01:33:33 , https://www.amazon.com/Beagleboard-BBONE-BLACK-4G-BeagleBone-Rev-C/product-reviews/B00K7EEX2U Mar 17 01:34:26 @zmatt is right, Jon43. Mar 17 01:34:46 Sometimes I just say things and no one replies. Then, I ask questions and people answer. Mar 17 01:37:03 set_ I use Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.8.8 to burn flash so it's UFEI ready and this version of Clonezilla clonezilla-live-2.6.3-7-amd64.iso to do the drive cloning. Mar 17 01:40:44 ok, so here goes! Mar 17 01:41:02 KenUnix: Okay. Mar 17 01:41:08 i'm trying to load a uvc driver along with the default usb_gadgets in /opt/script/boot Mar 17 01:41:16 but i'm getting this error Mar 17 01:41:23 Aug 4 02:10:44 beaglebone kernel: [ 34.528142] configfs-gadget musb-hdrc.0: failed to start g_multi: -19 Mar 17 01:42:37 Jon43: Hello Sir/Ma'am/Whatever really! What question are you asking? Mar 17 01:43:35 has anyone been able to mount a UVC gadget on the BBB? Mar 17 01:43:49 is it possible? how does it work? I have yet to find any example Mar 17 01:44:12 (sir!) Mar 17 01:44:17 Oh. mjpg-streamer Mar 17 01:44:19 Oh. Okay. Mar 17 01:44:35 You can install uvc w/ the apt command on debian. Mar 17 01:44:42 Let me find it again. Mar 17 01:45:36 apt install uvccapture <<< I think this is it Mar 17 01:45:59 But...let me guess here. Mar 17 01:46:14 You want to install your own uvc driver on the BBB? Mar 17 01:49:46 Jon43: Do you want to install your uvc driver on the BBB? Mar 17 01:51:31 no, i actually want my BBB to look like a UVC camera on my host PC Mar 17 01:51:49 is that uvccapture? Mar 17 01:52:08 i can put a camera into the USB-A port on my BBB and make that work Mar 17 01:52:16 Oh. Mar 17 01:52:44 set_ I've got the whole shabang working vnc w/lxde, grafffics, lxterminsl no errors occur & what to set in firewall to allow access via wifi. No socket errors. screen saver, multi lxterminal sessions simple startup script, no display rolling off screen. Interested in my info ? I will put it on pastbinit? Mar 17 01:52:57 Okay but you cannot set up the BBB w/ USB Webcam to view it on your computer? Mar 17 01:53:41 KenUnix: No thank you but thank you for thinking of me. Mar 17 01:54:02 I thought you had some issues Mar 17 01:54:12 I did but I got it to work. Mar 17 01:54:37 screen size ok, menu comes up, all that? Mar 17 01:54:41 Yep. Mar 17 01:55:08 Well let me post it anyway. OK take a look? Mar 17 01:56:29 Okay. Mar 17 01:56:35 It's here http://paste.debian.net/1135204/ I spent some time writing this. Mar 17 01:57:05 Jon43: https://github.com/jacksonliam/mjpg-streamer is a start. You will need to figure out many things before just plug and play will work. Mar 17 01:58:33 It's here http://paste.debian.net/1135204/ I spent some time writing this. This used to be my thing writing procedures. Maybe somebody else can use this for future referencd. Mar 17 01:58:53 Jon43: Before trying to make the webcam work w/ uvccapture on debian, you will need "stuff." Mar 17 01:59:19 KenUnix: as long as that future is within 7 days, which is when the paste expires ;P Mar 17 01:59:50 Stuff = webcam, BBB, mjpg-streamer or your own library and website to host on a port, and source! Mar 17 02:01:21 zmatt, have a look. I know you think it's a waste but it was a challange. I can now run compiled apps. I have as desktop launchers Mar 17 02:02:04 Same apps. I run on Ubuntu & Mint on VM's. Mar 17 02:02:49 mpjg-streamer Mar 17 02:02:51 ok i'll look Mar 17 02:02:56 i have the BBB and a UVC webcam Mar 17 02:04:34 It is a github link. Jon43: It opens in a webpage online for viewing. Then, you can click the stream for just viewing it on your own webpage if necessary. Mar 17 02:04:57 Wait. I will get you another link of someone who completed this exercise. Mar 17 02:07:12 Look at line eight: https://github.com/silver2row/BeagleBone-By-Example/blob/master/Chapter%2010/templates/Robot.html. Mar 17 02:09:05 You can set up your own html website w/ a server and run the stream. Mar 17 02:11:00 But... Mar 17 02:11:08 You will need your IP Address instead of the one listed. Mar 17 02:14:17 How can I update and upgrade my packages with apt on my BBBW? Mar 17 02:17:31 Why not? Mar 17 02:19:26 Why not what? Mar 17 02:21:24 https://pastebin.com/czMKtp01 is my console print when I update w/ apt. Mar 17 02:25:16 How are you connecting? Mar 17 02:25:34 Wifi Mar 17 02:26:01 Looks like you wifi is down. Can you ping www.cnn.com Mar 17 02:26:38 100% packet loss Mar 17 02:27:15 what dows route show for wlan0 Mar 17 02:27:45 route? unknown command! Mar 17 02:27:57 route Mar 17 02:28:03 The ip addr command shows my current IP Addr. Mar 17 02:28:34 what do you mean route does not exist? Mar 17 02:29:02 I typed route. Unknown command was the reply in the print to console. Mar 17 02:29:26 Oh sorry. Mar 17 02:29:36 Forget it. Let me tell you now. Mar 17 02:30:49 https://pastebin.com/AZ5Qz0nm is what happened when I typed route. Mar 17 02:31:04 I was messing w/ connmanctl and forgot I was still working w/ it. Mar 17 02:31:32 so you are going through your pc? Mar 17 02:32:03 Oh. I am connected via USB to my BBBW but using WiFi on my BBBW for updates, getting packages, and so forth. Mar 17 02:33:16 Yea but route says default 192.168.7.1 Mar 17 02:34:07 Okay. Mar 17 02:34:55 what does ip addr say for wlan0 Mar 17 02:35:25 It shows my ip addr. Mar 17 02:35:40 for wlan0, the ip address I am using shows. Mar 17 02:36:08 go on... what address is it Mar 17 02:36:17 My ip address! Mar 17 02:36:30 what is the ip Mar 17 02:37:02 Too late. Mar 17 02:37:07 I disabled wifi. Mar 17 02:37:16 Now, it kicked me out of my session. Mar 17 02:37:28 I am signed in via 192.168.7.2. Mar 17 02:37:40 use my proven connmanctl cheet sheeet Mar 17 02:37:44 I cannot access wifi any longer. Mar 17 02:37:45 Okay. Mar 17 02:38:02 It does not even show up when I type "services." Mar 17 02:39:03 cheet sheet http://paste.debian.net/1135208/ Mar 17 02:39:52 Error /net/connman/technology/wifi: No carrier Mar 17 02:40:10 That is my error when I apply wifi scan. Mar 17 02:41:25 cycle power on BBB Mar 17 02:41:33 Okay. Please hold. Mar 17 02:41:44 Antenna plugged in? Mar 17 02:43:06 I do not know. I have a cape on it. Mar 17 02:43:14 Let me check. Mar 17 02:43:28 Hey...I am backing up my file system now. It may take a while. Mar 17 02:43:37 I will update you later. Mar 17 02:44:36 Hey...both antennas are plugged in. Mar 17 02:44:41 brb Mar 17 02:44:55 OK. Gotta run for tonight. Mar 17 02:48:48 Otay! Mar 17 02:52:52 Should I show KenUnix my route command prints or anyone else for that matter? Mar 17 02:53:04 Am I supposed to keep those items private? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 17 02:59:57 2020