**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 28 02:59:59 2020
Apr 28 03:12:57 <KenUnix> set_ I have been approved by elinux to edit documents
Apr 28 03:14:20 <KenUnix> zmatt - does your company make hardware?
Apr 28 03:14:35 <zmatt> yup
Apr 28 03:15:41 <KenUnix> Oh.  Looking over some of the elinux docs the make reference to BB White. Isn't that toast?
Apr 28 03:16:02 <zmatt> that's the original beaglebone, before the BBB
Apr 28 03:16:25 <KenUnix> Are BB White still around?
Apr 28 03:16:37 <zmatt> I mean, the ones already in the world didn't magically evaporate
Apr 28 03:17:14 <KenUnix> Is there a Debian image for them?
Apr 28 03:17:27 <zmatt> same image as for BBB
Apr 28 03:17:31 <zmatt> images
Apr 28 03:17:35 <set_> Nice.
Apr 28 03:18:04 <KenUnix> set_ I have been approved by elinux to edit documents
Apr 28 03:18:08 <GenTooMan> did the original BBW have NAND flash or was that just the beagle board.
Apr 28 03:18:21 <set_> I saw.
Apr 28 03:18:38 <set_> Hey. KenUnix: I just put in my first bug report.
Apr 28 03:18:41 <zmatt> GenTooMan: it had no flash nor eMMC, it booted from SD card
Apr 28 03:18:48 <KenUnix> Was the the unit with only 256KB?
Apr 28 03:18:57 <zmatt> 256M of ram
Apr 28 03:19:11 <zmatt> not KB you silly :P
Apr 28 03:19:41 <KenUnix> Oh. It's late and my eyes are tired
Apr 28 03:20:03 <set_> Okay.
Apr 28 03:20:12 <set_> I will hit you up w/ ideas later.
Apr 28 03:20:22 <set_> Tomorrow or another day.
Apr 28 03:20:59 <KenUnix> set_, so tomorrow I can begin rof real
Apr 28 03:21:10 <set_> rof?
Apr 28 03:21:14 <KenUnix> rof ???
Apr 28 03:21:18 <set_> rof?
Apr 28 03:21:32 <set_> Just tell me what it means.
Apr 28 03:21:35 <KenUnix> set_, so tomorrow I can begin for real
Apr 28 03:21:35 <set_> Please.
Apr 28 03:21:39 <set_> Oh!
Apr 28 03:21:41 <set_> Okay.
Apr 28 03:22:09 <set_> I thought it was an acronym.
Apr 28 03:22:35 <KenUnix> rof that's what a dog does. rof rof
Apr 28 03:22:44 <set_> Neat. I will help you as long as my eyes and fingers can do it.
Apr 28 03:22:51 <set_> Right. I got it.
Apr 28 03:23:12 <set_> rof <= accident in typing a.k.a. typo!
Apr 28 03:24:00 <KenUnix> Playing with a new usb 3.1 128gb flash
Apr 28 03:24:40 <set_> Hmm. Blue!
Apr 28 03:25:21 <KenUnix> From Micro Center $15 bucksvand it has an red activity led
Apr 28 03:25:44 <GenTooMan> the original BBB hand 256M of flash and RAM looks like. That might be why it booted angstrom as it was so tiny.
Apr 28 03:25:53 <KenUnix> From Micro Center $15 bucks and it has an red activity led
Apr 28 03:25:57 <set_> Okay, okay. So, KenUnix, what format do you want things in. What is easiest for you to read?
Apr 28 03:26:32 <set_> If I may, bad eyes. Ha.
Apr 28 03:26:53 <GenTooMan> with rotfl means something different. That was a bit of a rof conversation :D
Apr 28 03:27:09 <set_> right on the __________ lips?
Apr 28 03:27:24 <KenUnix> Angstrom still in use besides the BBWhite? set_ what you sent was good
Apr 28 03:27:51 <zmatt> angstrom is dead
Apr 28 03:27:55 <set_> Okay b/c I can set things up differently if need be. I know things, man. But...small notes are easy to sift through.
Apr 28 03:27:56 <zmatt> has been dead for quite a while
Apr 28 03:28:10 <KenUnix> There's another edit
Apr 28 03:28:16 <set_> 2015 is what I read...it has been dead since then.
Apr 28 03:28:18 <zmatt> GenTooMan: the BBB originally also used angstrom
Apr 28 03:28:42 <set_> That is when I first jumped onboard the BBB train.
Apr 28 03:28:50 <set_> BBB and angstrom.
Apr 28 03:29:07 <KenUnix> the Soul train
Apr 28 03:29:43 <set_> No. I remember harassing someone about the flashing over and over again. Probably @zmatt! He takes everyone's garbage and makes cake.
Apr 28 03:30:27 <set_> "Why is this board not flashing?" S2? What is that? and so forth.
Apr 28 03:30:41 <KenUnix> Since I might be writing docs I wonder if I should get a BBWireless or a BBAI. Are there cases for them?
Apr 28 03:30:52 <zmatt> set_: I've never used angstrom
Apr 28 03:30:56 <set_> Never?
Apr 28 03:30:59 <set_> Ever?
Apr 28 03:31:04 <set_> Hmm. Okay.
Apr 28 03:31:11 <set_> I have.
Apr 28 03:31:17 <set_> I used it w/ opkg.
Apr 28 03:31:19 <zmatt> don't think so... I think my very first beaglebone might have shipped with angstrom but I reflashed it to debian
Apr 28 03:31:27 <set_> Smart.
Apr 28 03:31:53 <set_> I used Angstrom and it kept bulking up the entire system memory.
Apr 28 03:31:58 <set_> I could not update or upgrade.
Apr 28 03:32:02 <KenUnix> My very very micro was a KIM 6502 coard
Apr 28 03:32:11 <set_> I kept having to rewrite the image.
Apr 28 03:32:25 <KenUnix> My very very first micro was a KIM 6502 coard
Apr 28 03:33:10 <set_> KenUnix:...
Apr 28 03:33:25 <set_> There is probably some script to open all hyperlinks on a page.
Apr 28 03:33:32 <set_> For instance...
Apr 28 03:34:20 <set_> If I was to use the script to open all links on https://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Community#Building_for_BeagleBone instead of going through each one by hand, I could spare some time.
Apr 28 03:34:29 <set_> I should research this idea.
Apr 28 03:35:07 <GenTooMan> KIM 6502 ... wow that was long ago.
Apr 28 03:35:11 <GenTooMan> before me!
Apr 28 03:35:45 <set_> I could try on an older 'puter and then if things go awkward, I could set up the system again w/ a new distro.
Apr 28 03:36:11 <KenUnix> gentooman yea early 70's
Apr 28 03:36:26 <set_> No holds barred! Just scripts after script until the pages are complete.
Apr 28 03:36:52 <GenTooMan> mine was early 80's so a TS1000 with a z80 and 16K :D
Apr 28 03:37:17 <KenUnix> set_ Good starting point. I dog eared it
Apr 28 03:37:42 <set_> dog ear what?
Apr 28 03:37:46 <set_> Heh?
Apr 28 03:37:53 <set_> I found out already.
Apr 28 03:37:59 <set_> Wozzers.
Apr 28 03:38:00 <KenUnix> Got to refresh my html skills it's been a whila
Apr 28 03:38:14 <set_> I am going to use python.
Apr 28 03:38:50 <KenUnix> Wozzers? Canadians?
Apr 28 03:39:20 <set_> This is doing fun stuff w/ ease. I should not have to rack my eyes or brain.
Apr 28 03:39:49 <KenUnix> Got to go for the night
Apr 28 03:40:24 <set_> Okay.
Apr 28 03:40:26 <set_> Enjoy!
Apr 28 03:40:28 <KenUnix> You got my public e-mail
Apr 28 03:40:33 <set_> Yeppers.
Apr 28 03:48:00 <GenTooMan> Ken you have the correct idea I have to stop killing myself.
Apr 28 03:48:24 <GenTooMan> I've had a habit of it for too long. Night.
Apr 28 04:51:09 <set_> First scrape!
Apr 28 04:56:02 <set_> Second Scrape!
Apr 28 04:56:18 <set_> I am scraping eLinux.org if you are wondering?
Apr 28 05:07:31 <set_> and...
Apr 28 05:07:50 <set_> b/c you guys installed a web server, it works w/ the BBB and scraping.
Apr 28 15:44:43 <GenTooMan> ds2 what gigabit PHY did you hack onto a BBB?
Apr 28 19:36:04 <kiba_> Hi!  Has anyone met the mcSPI library for PRU?
Apr 28 19:36:48 <kiba_> not software implementation
Apr 28 19:49:34 <GenTooMan> clarifying for those who know, you are asking if anyone has made an McSPI library for the PRU
Apr 28 20:28:24 <kiba_> yes, TI or any of the developers
Apr 28 20:47:07 <GenTooMan> it's best if you want to talk to TI to use https://e2e.ti.com/ you will need to register (then login) but you can get direct questions answered.  Also you can peruse anything regarding using the PRU their as well. Not to be belated but have you read the TRM for the AM3358?
Apr 28 20:51:43 <zmatt> McSPI isn't *too* obnoxious to deal with iirc
Apr 28 20:52:36 <zmatt> although I suspect implementing SPI directly with PRU GPIO is considerably simpler than making a McSPI driver
Apr 29 00:39:58 <set_> learning datascience is just as difficult as starting from scratch w/ a new subject. Luckily and hopefully, KenUnix has time to re-re-redo the eLinux.org pages for Beagleboard.org.
Apr 29 00:45:26 <set_> b/c it is taking me forever to get the correct info. on datascience so far. Forgive me!
Apr 29 00:56:16 <set_> Hey, there you are now.
Apr 29 00:56:32 <set_> KenUnix: I am practicing datascience to scape the web on eLinux.org.
Apr 29 00:57:26 <set_> So far, I can only save the files to .csv format and append them w/ the hyperlinks.
Apr 29 01:15:13 <set_> So far, I still need to manipulate the data. Do not expect miracles but I can still work while learning.
Apr 29 01:15:40 <set_> So, cheap-o, .docx files and some hard labor will ensue until I get it down pat.
Apr 29 01:18:47 <KenUnix> Did you get my note about: https://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Community  ?
Apr 29 01:19:45 <KenUnix> If you didn't look at Cases, WIFI and Capes
Apr 29 01:20:53 <set_> Okay.
Apr 29 01:21:06 <set_> Um, I did not receive an email but I will go and look.
Apr 29 01:21:59 <set_> Nice.
Apr 29 01:22:55 <KenUnix> It took a lot of time to verify those changes before making them Hours.
Apr 29 01:23:32 <set_> Oh.
Apr 29 01:23:34 <set_> I bet.
Apr 29 01:23:37 <set_> It takes forever.
Apr 29 01:23:42 <set_> Hey...
Apr 29 01:23:55 <set_> Um, make sure I am keeping up please.
Apr 29 01:24:30 <set_> B/c I can get lost in datascience online and it may be the actual labor of data entry that keeps this gig afloat.
Apr 29 01:24:44 <KenUnix> Up?  You will comments next to some items like Discontinued and Retired
Apr 29 01:25:21 <set_> Oh. yea, up! Like, if you catch up to what I have done and need more info, I need to be told.
Apr 29 01:25:23 <set_> Right?
Apr 29 01:25:25 <KenUnix> Where possible I substuted a known good product
Apr 29 01:25:32 <set_> Good idea.
Apr 29 01:25:41 <set_> There are many Capes still.
Apr 29 01:26:12 <set_> I have some and know Mouser, digikey was stocked at one point.
Apr 29 01:26:39 <set_> When I say some, I mean my personal stash.
Apr 29 01:26:58 <set_> KenUnix: Did you see what I typed on the GHI forum?
Apr 29 01:27:26 <set_> I was asking about if they had Fritzing examples for their Capes they produced for BBB.io peoples.
Apr 29 01:27:31 <KenUnix> Sorry I haven't got to your docx yet.  If you know of any "good sites" with capes let me know. Drop me a line.
Apr 29 01:27:35 <set_> Okay.
Apr 29 01:27:39 <set_> No issue.
Apr 29 01:27:47 <set_> I will.
Apr 29 01:28:07 <set_> So, should I keep feeding you docx files for review?
Apr 29 01:28:16 <KenUnix> I never Fritz'd
Apr 29 01:28:46 <set_> Fritzing is neat b/c of the way they have their layout, i.e. simple and plain. It takes an arm and a leg to set something up but it is doable.
Apr 29 01:29:10 <KenUnix> Oh I got to some German entries and had to use Google translate.
Apr 29 01:29:24 <set_> I was inquiring about Fritzing to Seeed Studio and GHI b/c I was going to promote findings.
Apr 29 01:29:44 <KenUnix> Where is GHI?
Apr 29 01:29:47 <set_> And...people love funny looking Capes in colorful visuals.
Apr 29 01:29:55 <set_> Michigan? I am not sure. Let me go and check.
Apr 29 01:30:06 <KenUnix> Got a URL?
Apr 29 01:30:21 <KenUnix> Ever played with a BBW
Apr 29 01:31:05 <set_> Yep. Michigan.
Apr 29 01:31:11 <set_> Let me show you their url.
Apr 29 01:31:50 <set_> https://www.ghielectronics.com/ and no, I have not used the BB original.
Apr 29 01:32:19 <KenUnix> No the BB Wireless
Apr 29 01:32:27 <set_> Oh. yea. BBBW.
Apr 29 01:32:29 <set_> Yes.
Apr 29 01:32:31 <set_> That is a neat board.
Apr 29 01:33:00 <KenUnix> Does it have the same release as the BBB A,B, and C
Apr 29 01:34:16 <KenUnix> Quality embedded modules with commercial-grade software that shorten time to
Apr 29 01:34:19 <set_> When you say release, what do you mean? image availability?
Apr 29 01:34:48 <set_> SiP instead of the SoC.
Apr 29 01:34:50 <KenUnix> Welll the BBB had version A then B and now C
Apr 29 01:35:07 <set_> Oh. I just remember one BBBW release. Got it.
Apr 29 01:35:33 <set_> The BBBW had never, from what I have read, had a make over.
Apr 29 01:35:42 <GenTooMan> the BBB itself is no longer in production I thought
Apr 29 01:35:50 <set_> ReallY?
Apr 29 01:35:57 <GenTooMan> can you buy it?
Apr 29 01:36:00 <GenTooMan> anywhere?
Apr 29 01:36:09 <set_> I am not sure. I have not tried.
Apr 29 01:36:15 <zmatt> GenTooMan: ehh, sure it is
Apr 29 01:36:18 <set_> I just bought a BBGW, though.
Apr 29 01:36:20 <KenUnix> But that has been around for a while.  Well one source is Amazon
Apr 29 01:36:35 <set_> You boys sold out?
Apr 29 01:36:35 <GenTooMan> zmatt really I haven't seen anyone with inventory?
Apr 29 01:36:44 <KenUnix> GenToo - Amazon has them
Apr 29 01:36:46 <set_> Way to go!
Apr 29 01:36:59 <GenTooMan> probably shipped from china ;)
Apr 29 01:37:10 <set_> That is years of learning, i.e. futuristically.
Apr 29 01:37:28 <KenUnix> No they have Element 14 and Sees
Apr 29 01:37:34 <KenUnix> No they have Element 14 and Seed
Apr 29 01:37:40 <zmatt> https://nl.farnell.com/beagleboard/bbone-black-4g/beaglebone-black-rev-c-cortex/dp/2422228  ... 27588 units in stock, tens of thousands more units expected a few months from now
Apr 29 01:37:52 <set_> Oh!
Apr 29 01:37:55 <KenUnix> Yea and them
Apr 29 01:38:03 <set_> Gooey BBBs for play!
Apr 29 01:38:38 <set_> Oh and yes, KenUnix, I just received the emailer.
Apr 29 01:38:56 <zmatt> GenTooMan: what made you think otherwise?  why would they suddenly stop producing their main product?
Apr 29 01:39:01 <KenUnix> From a standpoint of capes the 4 relay cape for the BBB should work on the BBBW?
Apr 29 01:39:15 <set_> Yes.
Apr 29 01:39:17 <set_> It does.
Apr 29 01:39:17 <zmatt> KenUnix: any cape that works on the BBB works on the BBBW, their expansion headers are identical
Apr 29 01:40:04 <KenUnix> From an experimental state would it be good to get a BBBW?
Apr 29 01:40:45 <zmatt> KenUnix: I have no idea what you mean by that
Apr 29 01:41:30 <zmatt> get a BBBW if you prefer having wifi (with mediocre reception) and bluetooth over having Ethernet, get a BBB if you prefer having Ethernet over wifi/bluetooth
Apr 29 01:42:41 <KenUnix> God question. My P.C. uses Bluetooth would the BBBW's Bluetooth interfere ?
Apr 29 01:43:38 <zmatt> KenUnix: ehm, if bluetooth devices interfered with bluetooth devices, then how would you ever be able to use bluetooth for anything?
Apr 29 01:43:41 <GenTooMan> zmatt it happens all the time I just figured they stopped because I've not seen stock in many places
Apr 29 01:44:32 <set_> For WiFi, yes.
Apr 29 01:44:45 <KenUnix> I only have 1 Bluetooth device, my mouse. And don't want to screw it up.
Apr 29 01:45:08 <set_> The BBBW is a known winner for WiFi.
Apr 29 01:45:17 <zmatt> GenTooMan: of the four distributors linked to from http://beagleboard.org/black, all four have them in stock: unspecified quentity for OKdo, 1.6K units for digikey, 2.9K units for mouser, 27.5K units for element14/farnell
Apr 29 01:45:46 <set_> So, BBB.io makes the BBB still!
Apr 29 01:45:48 <set_> Yea boy!
Apr 29 01:45:50 <zmatt> GenTooMan: so where _have_ you been looking, if not at any of the official distributors? :P
Apr 29 01:46:19 <KenUnix> zmatt, I only have 1 Bluetooth device, my mouse. And don't want to screw it up.
Apr 29 01:47:38 <zmatt> KenUnix: nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to use bluetooth if you get a BBBW.  and again, the whole purpose of bluetooth is to allow devices to communicate.  imagine if having a bluetooth mouse meant you can't use a bluetooth keyboard, or a bluetooth connection to your phone, or a bluetooth headset :P
Apr 29 01:48:07 <KenUnix> zmatt,  http://beagleboard.org/black,  Error Page Not Found
Apr 29 01:49:03 <zmatt> KenUnix: do you think that comma was more likely to be part of the url or part of the sentence in which I used the url?
Apr 29 01:49:06 <zmatt> :P
Apr 29 01:49:17 <KenUnix> OK I'll avoid BBBW then
Apr 29 01:49:41 <KenUnix> Ug
Apr 29 01:49:44 <zmatt> ?
Apr 29 01:50:17 <zmatt> the only reason to avoid it is if you want Ethernet
Apr 29 01:50:26 <zmatt> which it doesn't have
Apr 29 01:50:32 <KenUnix> Is it possible to turn off Bluetooth on BBBW?
Apr 29 01:50:40 <set_> yes!
Apr 29 01:50:53 <set_> sudo systemctl stop/disable bluetooth!
Apr 29 01:50:55 <zmatt> yes, though there's no actually any reason to
Apr 29 01:51:14 <zmatt> set_: that doesn't disable bluetooth, that just prevents it from being used usefully
Apr 29 01:51:19 <set_> oh.
Apr 29 01:51:20 <zmatt> if you want to genuinely disable it, use rfkill
Apr 29 01:51:26 <set_> Aw.
Apr 29 01:51:57 <KenUnix> So two different Bluetooth receivers won't interfere with each other.
Apr 29 01:52:02 <set_> Does anyone want to see my funny way of data scraping on the elinux.org pages?
Apr 29 01:52:42 <set_> I am using bs4 and urllib.
Apr 29 01:52:45 <KenUnix> Sure
Apr 29 01:52:49 <set_> Neat.
Apr 29 01:53:26 <set_> Please hold for some source!
Apr 29 01:54:07 <zmatt> KenUnix: certainly not the mere presence.  perhaps if you transfer data at high rates over it then other bluetooth connections will obviously have less bandwidth available
Apr 29 01:55:48 <set_> https://pastebin.com/HpHpdCsu is it so far. It works but not as well as I would have hoped. So, off to research more.
Apr 29 01:57:04 <set_> do you people do stuff w/ data and scraping the web for neat stuff?
Apr 29 01:57:31 <set_> I am on the bs4 site and looking for more ideas. I need to grab more hyperlinks and it is not easy.
Apr 29 01:57:52 <set_> I tried some if/else statements and some functions. Nothing so far.
Apr 29 01:59:29 <set_> I even tried this long, drawn out program from a site that "specializes" in Python programs. Bust. I could not run their source at all.
Apr 29 01:59:50 <set_> Error after error. Every route I took to fix their source was a bust.
Apr 29 02:01:22 <KenUnix> What does the data look like. Give me an example
Apr 29 02:02:32 <KenUnix> set_, post up some sample data
Apr 29 02:03:35 <zmatt> KenUnix: bluetooth (specifically BR/EDR) uses frequency-hopping across 79 frequencies, and each "piconet" (a master and its slave devices) uses a different pseudorandom sequence of frequencies, thus minimizing interference between piconets as well as giving a decent amount of immunity from other wireless transmitters operating in the 2.4 GHz ISM band (such as wifi and microwave ovens)
Apr 29 02:05:07 <KenUnix> Microwave ovens, Ha
Apr 29 02:05:29 <set_> a list of data in a row
Apr 29 02:05:30 <zmatt> my wifi degrades noticably when my microwave is in use
Apr 29 02:05:51 <KenUnix> set_ post up some
Apr 29 02:05:56 <set_> Okay. Please hold for the data.
Apr 29 02:06:53 <KenUnix> zmatt wow!
Apr 29 02:07:42 <set_> https://pastebin.com/ZJ3wtjFz is part of that site listed in the first link I posted from pastebin.
Apr 29 02:08:27 <set_> I can change it but I cannot open them yet on my BBB. So, I might try them w/ the webbrowser lib. too.
Apr 29 02:09:08 <set_> I will have to make a server quickly for that idea, though. And "quickly" means longer than worth it (maybe).
Apr 29 02:09:40 <KenUnix> zmatt, going to the web sire for BBB I choose a vendor and nothing happena
Apr 29 02:10:25 <zmatt> KenUnix: odd, it works fine for me
Apr 29 02:10:35 <set_> on bbb?
Apr 29 02:10:39 <set_> sorry. bbb.io?
Apr 29 02:11:40 <set_> Clear your cache mate and except cookies.
Apr 29 02:11:56 <set_> That may be preventing you from using the site correctly?
Apr 29 02:12:20 <set_> it works on my end too.
Apr 29 02:12:42 <set_> at least from Digi Key, it worked.
Apr 29 02:14:03 <KenUnix> ok, wait
Apr 29 02:23:47 <KenUnix> I cleared the data for beagleboard no change
Apr 29 02:24:38 <GenTooMan> zmatt well apparently not enough, I just didn't see any stock for a few months post august and kind of assumed it had gone they way of the dodo or something LOL. Sorry didn't mean to confuse or such.
Apr 29 02:27:46 <KenUnix> I cleard the cookies & history for beaglebone.org
Apr 29 02:28:22 <set_> And?
Apr 29 02:28:44 <set_> No change. Oh.
Apr 29 02:32:53 <KenUnix> I even disabled Ghostery anf Script blocker, no luck
Apr 29 02:34:03 <set_> Heh?
Apr 29 02:34:31 <set_> So, you can go to bbb.io and click on the boards sections under BBB to the dist. and nothing happens?
Apr 29 02:41:52 <KenUnix> I gotta think on this I remember something about java scripts
Apr 29 02:42:06 <set_> What are you saying, man?
Apr 29 02:42:21 <set_> I just got back and read what you typed.
Apr 29 02:42:23 <set_> Sorry.
Apr 29 02:42:37 <KenUnix> bbb.io uses java scripts. i looked at the source
Apr 29 02:42:44 <set_> Oh. Yea.
Apr 29 02:42:48 <set_> I know. JavaScript.
Apr 29 02:42:58 <set_> I do not think they use Java, though.
Apr 29 02:45:36 <zmatt> yeah it's javascript, which has absolutely nothing to do with java
Apr 29 02:46:02 <zmatt> (it used java in the name because java was Cool at the time)
Apr 29 02:49:56 <KenUnix> Here's a small piece. They use Java scripts.  https://pastebin.com/BBW1MxdU
Apr 29 02:50:57 <zmatt> KenUnix: there's no such thing as "java scripts"
Apr 29 02:51:26 <zmatt> and ues almost every website nowadays uses javascript
Apr 29 02:51:28 <zmatt> *yes
Apr 29 02:51:46 <KenUnix> OK what are the  'js'  filess then
Apr 29 02:51:51 <zmatt> javascript files
Apr 29 02:51:59 <zmatt> not "java scripts"
Apr 29 02:52:12 <zmatt> since java is something completely different and unrelated
Apr 29 02:52:44 <set_> KenUnix: Java and JavaScript are two, separate languages.
Apr 29 02:52:57 <KenUnix> Javascript files not "java scripts" Huh?
Apr 29 02:53:17 <set_> I think the history is this: People got tired of the long, drawn out syntax of Java.
Apr 29 02:53:26 <zmatt> set_: no
Apr 29 02:53:31 <set_> You got like 400 words for a couple lines.
Apr 29 02:53:35 <set_> No?
Apr 29 02:53:41 <KenUnix> set_ ok. then there is something about this site
Apr 29 02:53:47 <set_> Hmm.
Apr 29 02:54:06 <set_> @zmatt: I can look up why they are unrelated later.
Apr 29 02:54:08 <zmatt> KenUnix: but only for you, that distributor menu has always worked fine for me and afaik everyone else
Apr 29 02:54:09 <set_> Sorry.
Apr 29 02:55:17 <zmatt> set_: basically netscape wanted a scripting language for a web.  originally this was going to be Scheme, but "Netscape management soon decided that the best option was for Eich to devise a new language, with syntax similar to Java and less like Scheme"
Apr 29 02:55:43 <zmatt> (although the similarities in syntax are only extremely superficial, it's really not remotely similar)
Apr 29 02:55:54 <set_> Aw.
Apr 29 02:55:58 <set_> Nice history.
Apr 29 02:57:17 <KenUnix> I just tried that site in Edge & Internet Explorer. same results
Apr 29 02:57:43 <set_> Use chrome.
Apr 29 02:57:53 <set_> Serious. That is probably why.
Apr 29 02:58:11 <KenUnix> Edge is M$ Chrome
Apr 29 02:59:10 <KenUnix> What browser are you guys using?
Apr 29 02:59:19 <set_> Chrome.
Apr 29 02:59:45 <KenUnix> zmatt?
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