**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 02:59:57 2020 Sep 01 03:29:34 I see the push Sep 01 03:30:13 thank god you put in a init method Sep 01 03:30:18 you da man!!! Sep 01 06:06:20 Hi, does anyone know how to import custom dl models to the bbai with the tidl optimization?, I've been trying for a while without positive results :c Sep 01 08:26:42 somebody asked for help with using LCD cape with BBAI, please ping me here I may help you with the process. Sep 01 10:01:51 hi Sep 01 10:02:21 i need info regarding linux level powermanagement info Sep 01 10:02:38 i want to validate test cases from userspace Sep 01 10:02:59 can anybody help me this ? Sep 01 11:50:22 m **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 13:36:19 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 13:39:17 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 13:44:25 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 13:57:08 2020 Sep 01 15:06:19 anyone here good with altium? Sep 01 15:30:24 Ha! As if our pockets are that deep! Sep 01 15:35:57 yea, which means it doesn't have great docs.... Sep 01 15:36:39 it like reading the man pages vs a blog covering exactly what you are looking to do Sep 01 15:44:45 Guy that designed our board used DipTrace. I'm familiar enough with it, after poking around at it for years. Friend of mine does layout w/ Altium for living and it sounds significantly more complex. Sep 01 15:50:01 is it like Eagle Sep 01 15:50:09 from autocad Sep 01 15:50:14 in layoung PCBs? Sep 01 15:51:28 I pretty much detest Eagle, but yes. Afaik both Altium & DipTrace are fully integrated PCB suites; they do schematics, layout, everything. I believe KiCAD does the same. Sep 01 15:52:05 * mru has used only kicad in recent times Sep 01 15:52:34 it's enough for anything I'd want to solder myself Sep 01 15:53:56 I use DipTrace at home as well, mainly b/c at the time KiCAD didn't work for me, and DT has a hobbyist license that's basically fully functional for two layers. Now that I know DT I'm pretty sure KiCAD will do as well. Sep 01 15:53:59 why is eagle bad Sep 01 15:54:25 two layers is a bit restrictive Sep 01 15:54:30 Interface is nightmarish, or at least it was a number of years ago. Not even slightly user-friendly. Sep 01 15:55:10 So far, for home, I've never needed more than two layers. The work copy ofc is fully unlocked. Sep 01 15:56:00 how do you get anything done with only two layers? Sep 01 15:56:06 four is so much easier Sep 01 15:56:30 and necessary for high-speed signals Sep 01 15:56:33 For home? I don't have complicated needs. lol Sep 01 15:56:53 why does it matter where you're doing it? Sep 01 15:57:53 When I say "home", I mean as a hobbyist. In that capacity my requirements are quite modest. I even make my own boards using a laser printer and laminator. Sep 01 15:58:31 no plated holes for you then? Sep 01 15:58:59 Nope. I can simulate that with a bit of wire, but I don't do that unless it's necessary. Sep 01 15:59:14 you're just making things needlessly difficult Sep 01 15:59:28 eagle is a lot better now Sep 01 15:59:56 buttload of new features with autodesks purchase. problem is that it went to a liscence model. Sep 01 16:00:09 No more free version at all? Sep 01 16:00:24 free still exists with same limitations as before Sep 01 16:00:42 Ok. I thought it was licensed all along, it just had a free version? Sep 01 16:00:50 limitations meaning not quite enough for anything useful? Sep 01 16:01:07 they switched from purchase to subscription Sep 01 16:01:26 they do an okay job at integrating it with fustion 360 which is quite nice, but step file generation goes through autodesk servers which means you need to upload your steps to them. Sep 01 16:01:32 Eagle's limitation used to be board size, which was shockingly tiny. DTs limitation is pin count, which sounds low, but so far I've never come close to hitting that limit. Sep 01 16:01:49 what's the limit? Sep 01 16:01:52 Subscription sucks utterly. Sep 01 16:02:12 DT's hobbyist pin limit is 500. Sep 01 16:02:23 I upvote Kicad Sep 01 16:02:51 When DT no longer suffices, I'm likely going to give KiCAD another whirl. Sep 01 16:02:52 it also has a bunch of improvements since cern with diff routes and tune trace. Sep 01 16:03:18 plus Kicad has a really sweet responsive 3d view and generates the step files locally Sep 01 16:04:40 it can be a bit confusing i would say. and coming from eagle to kicad you will miss the command line, but i really improved recently, and correlation between schematic to pcb updates is now a single button Sep 01 16:05:38 once you get a hang of/adjust the hotkeys appropriately, it's quite comfortable Sep 01 16:06:20 my most recent board has 567 pads/pins Sep 01 16:06:43 what can you realistically make at home Sep 01 16:06:47 Quite the hobbyist. lol Sep 01 16:06:47 pcb wise Sep 01 16:07:59 I can do about any double-sided PCB. It's not harding lining it up, and the laminator makes mm size traces viable. It's more time/work but significantly less expense than sending to a fab house. Sep 01 16:08:07 you can do stenciling at home, and it's really easy to do. Sep 01 16:08:25 also, oshpark is dirt cheap Sep 01 16:08:37 super wonderful Sep 01 16:08:51 Home PCB is great for one-offs, which is what I do as a hobbyist. Sep 01 16:09:02 oshpark is cheap and excellent quality Sep 01 16:09:07 https://twitter.com/konsgn/status/1295400959091277824/photo/1 Sep 01 16:09:37 they do purple Sep 01 16:10:22 $5/sq inch may be cheap but it's significantly more expensive than doing it at home. Sep 01 16:10:46 can you get 5/5 mil width/spacing? Sep 01 16:11:10 Ragnorok do you have a link to someone using your technique with the laminator Sep 01 16:11:10 you can't do 4-layer boards at home Sep 01 16:11:35 haha, sure you can, just purchase a prepeg/core laminator.... Sep 01 16:11:38 Konsgnx: Probably not. As I said numerous times, my needs are modest. Sep 01 16:12:15 I can get down to about half a mm with usable reliablity. Beyond that I'd need a fab house. Sep 01 16:12:49 MattB00ne: Not on this computer, sadly. Hit up pwillard on #arduino. He's a master at this technique. Sep 01 16:12:58 0.5 mm is huge Sep 01 16:13:00 that's fair, i like this protoboard design for quick stuff... though i havent tried this one yet: https://github.com/electroniceel/protoboard Sep 01 16:13:36 I see no reason to forgo quality just because it's a hobby project Sep 01 16:14:05 money? Sep 01 16:14:06 woa, thats actually quite impressive, 19mils is quite good. Sep 01 16:14:24 I don't see how trace size equates to quality. Sep 01 16:14:26 MattB00ne: oshpark is cheap Sep 01 16:14:55 and you can get even cheaper is you're ok with lower quality Sep 01 16:16:17 yea, but i have had misses with services like dirty Sep 01 16:16:39 they once covered all the stopmask openings with stenciling Sep 01 16:17:57 lots of nice chips are only available as 0.5 mm qfn or similar that requires a decently made pcb Sep 01 16:17:59 Cheap is relative; it really boils down to what's usable. If one thinks 5mil spacing, four layers, plated holes, hidden vias, and silkscreening are must-haves, then home PCB is not for you. Sep 01 16:18:47 since I _can_ have those things, it's annoying to not have them Sep 01 16:21:42 I understand, for you they're important. They aren't for everyone. I'm not advocating you stop using oshpark. I'm advocating it's not required for everyone. Sep 01 16:22:18 very few things are strictly required Sep 01 16:22:28 lots of things are nice to have Sep 01 16:23:13 I agree. If I were doing other than a one-off I would probably do oshpark to have those nicer things. For a prototype it's a toss-up if I use proto board or do a one-off PCB. Sep 01 16:24:18 I was thinking for kids Sep 01 16:24:32 like a lesson they could do for themselves as a teaching thing Sep 01 16:24:46 i wanted to make an activity I could go into the class room with Sep 01 16:25:05 hahah, thats exactly what i was making that fish for Sep 01 16:25:45 intro to surface mount soldering. the samd11 is one of the only arm uC's with soic footprint **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 17:39:37 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 17:42:29 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 17:47:51 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 17:52:13 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 20:33:18 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 20:36:46 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 01 20:58:46 2020 Sep 01 21:56:18 Gawd i havent been in a IRC in years. Sep 01 21:56:48 Can some point me in the right direction. Sep 01 21:57:25 I'm considering building a smartwatch out of a pocketbeagle. Sep 01 21:58:30 but im strugling to find infromation on compatible screens that could work with a pocketbeagle. Sep 01 22:13:20 mainly serial Sep 01 22:13:24 unless you use USB Sep 01 22:13:26 HasNoClue: somthing like this with the ssd1351 looks promising https://www.ebay.com/itm/303416972378 Sep 01 22:18:10 perfect! Sep 01 22:19:00 I was able to find some reference on how to use the ssd1351 with the beaglebone black. Sep 01 22:19:29 so it should be simple enough to adapt it to work with a pocketbeagle. Sep 01 22:20:19 Thank you very much. Sep 01 22:21:31 :) Sep 02 01:01:30 why the hell cant I call a class method Sep 02 01:02:05 zmatt: AttributeError: 'EPwm' object has no attribute 'stop' Sep 02 01:02:12 how is that possible Sep 02 01:07:07 nm Sep 02 01:07:12 needed to pull again **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 02 02:28:50 2020 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 02 02:30:46 2020