**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 19 02:59:57 2021 May 19 12:22:32 m May 19 14:21:12 m2u krem May 19 14:24:19 After flashing a BBB with the newest IoT image and uncommenting the "cmdline=init=/opt/scripts/tools/eMMC/init-eMMC-flasher-v3.sh" in the uEnv file, my BBB won't boot. None of the lights are flashing and it's refusing SSH connection.  Any ideas? May 19 14:44:50 Hi, GoodMorning. I found sometimes ifconfig wlan0 up takes very long time to update routing table, or may not update at all. May 19 14:46:53 There are two interfaces: ppp0 and wlan0 May 19 14:59:04 FYI https://libera.chat/news/welcome-to-libera-chat May 19 15:01:14 apparently something happened at freenode fore warned is fore armed May 19 15:30:03 biggi_: because you mixed instructions May 19 15:30:16 biggi_: uncommenting that line is something you do on a non-flasher SD card to turn it into a flasher May 19 15:30:40 Hello Team May 19 15:30:46 if you already reflashed your beaglebone then it makes no sense to perform that step, you'd be turning the system on eMMC into a flasher that tries to reflash... eMMC May 19 15:30:55 biggi_: which is how the system hosed itself May 19 15:32:46 biggi_: the fix is just reflashing your beaglebone again May 19 15:33:50 tigerxy: I've already told you this plenty of times, if your wlan0 is managed by connman, do not attempt to reconfigure it in any way using ifconfig May 19 15:34:00 tigerxy: use connmanctl to reconfigure it May 19 15:36:24 (including bringing it up/down) May 19 15:36:24 tigerxy: how connman reacts if you try to mess with the interface behind its back is undefined May 19 15:36:24 GenTooMan: yikes May 19 15:41:47 zmatt i can't seem to get it to flash without uncommenting that line May 19 15:41:53 using the newest iot image from the bbb site May 19 15:43:17 so right now i have the 10.3 2020-04-06 image on an sd card and my bbb won't boot up when powered on. what should i do from this point? May 19 15:43:26 biggi_: did you download a flasher image? ("AM3358 Debian 10.3 2020-04-06 4GB eMMC IoT Flasher") May 19 15:43:36 no May 19 15:43:42 AM3358 Debian 10.3 2020-04-06 4GB SD IoT May 19 15:44:15 under the "recommended debian images" May 19 15:44:18 I will try the flasher image May 19 15:44:36 using a pre-made flasher image is the easy way to reflash... if you downloaded a non-flasher then you will indeed need to make that change in /boot/uEnv.txt (to turn it into a flasher image) but you need to be careful you're actually editing the sd card, not eMMC May 19 15:44:57 i think i was editing emcc, not the sd card May 19 15:45:08 is that how you dump the emcc onto the sd card then?  I think that's what i did last time May 19 15:46:37 I think if you do it to eMMC and an SD card is present it will reverse-flash yeah, although that's a rather unsafe way to dump eMMC to SD card since if no SD card is present then it will just wipe eMMC May 19 15:47:03 sounds about like what happened May 19 15:47:11 i'm big goof May 19 15:48:13 that's why downloading a flasher image is what I'd generally recommend, even though the difference between the flasher and non-flasher image is just that one # in its /boot/uEnv.txt May 19 15:48:29 I just saw "recommended debian images" and went for that May 19 15:48:44 yeah the latest-images page is not great May 19 15:52:58 GenTooMan: that Andrew Lee is... quite a character: https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/tech-design/article/3124523/real-life-k-drama-how-did-andrew-lee-go-tech May 19 15:54:23 I haven't read much on the freenode stuff...I only use it to access here when I'm missing something simple May 19 15:58:28 heh, that royalty status also doesn't seem entirely undisputed... "In an article of the official website of South Korea, Korea.net, referred Yi Seok as one of two pretenders to the throne" and "On October 6, 2018, Yi declared Andrew Lee, a distant Korean-American relative and an entrepreneur, to be the "Korean Crown Prince". Yi's claims that Lee is descended from the Jeonju clan have not been ... May 19 15:58:34 ...documented." May 19 15:58:38 what a bizarre mess May 19 16:01:42 I think this thing finally flashed. May 19 16:01:59 If that's the case....it's time to binge watch Scrubs and get everything else loaded haha May 19 16:16:13 zmatt and now we're good. Thanks for helping silly me :D May 19 17:28:23 Looks like freenode is under new ownership. Will this community move elsewhere? May 19 17:30:44 is being evaluated May 19 17:33:06 it is a very unfortunate situation but also quite literally an imperial mess. May 19 17:37:37 lol May 19 20:44:23 Well, this seems all too real. I was monitoring the logs online regarding Freenode. It seems 'things' are happening. May 19 20:44:53 I saw what you all typed earlier and thought, "I will go and research the idea." May 19 20:46:09 Odd...too much legality battling for me but I guess this means, as Bugs Bunny states, WAR! May 19 20:46:09 ha. May 19 20:46:24 All jokes aside...I am sorry. May 19 20:49:07 Hopefully, logs and ideas do not get mistreated. May 19 21:04:40 currently it looks like freenode is a sinking ship, I'm not sure it could still be salved... perhaps if andrew lee apologiges profusely, provides a written statement that he will cease and desist any attempt to exert control over freenode, and begs the long-time admins who have left to return... and based on his behaviour in the irc logs I've read I really don't think he will :P May 19 21:04:47 No! May 19 21:05:12 But...that is okay about the logs. May 19 21:05:25 Some people use, like stated, info. maliciously. May 19 21:06:17 at least 11 long-time admins (some more than 10 years) have publicly resigned and given statements that all agree with each other May 19 21:06:24 '98 is a good run for IRC and Freenode. I just wonder how people will accept it... May 19 21:06:37 I saw that idea, @zmatt. May 19 21:07:22 I read a .md full of articles and ideas on the future. I also saw the post in the IRC client I currently own. May 19 21:08:31 Someone gave in! I also was reading how open source communities can fight to win back control over their ideas. It is like the small bank and large bank ideas in small towns. May 19 21:09:54 I feel bad for them. You know what I am saying...people give and give to make things happen. Then, all of a sudden, monied lawyers take the cake and hand down requirements. May 19 21:10:24 well the thing is, andrew lee may control the freenode domain names, but that matters little... as far as I understand he doesn't really have control over freenode's servers (which are run by volunteers with no contractual relationships to andrew lee) so his "freenode" is probably going to lose most if not all of its servers May 19 21:10:50 which will hopefully rejoin libera instead, but we'll have to see May 19 21:10:53 Right. May 19 21:11:29 Just an address and poof, big rights. Yikes. May 19 21:16:49 I know about the community servers and how people give up time and effort to make it work. May 19 23:15:33 set_, well you now know what Andrew Carnegie was like. It's too bad he "changed" after he had got so many people dead. May 19 23:20:23 Hey GenTooMan!@ May 19 23:21:08 Okay...the people at Teknic made it easier to handle the BBB (Linux SBCs) w/ their set up of hardware. Makefile! May 19 23:21:24 No more cross-compiling to get items onboard the BBB. May 19 23:22:15 So, I have been working on the motion so far and notta from the BBB. I have to update and upgrade, then sync the clocks, and then make the info. onboard the BBB. May 19 23:22:22 GenTooMan: reading about him on wikipedia, I don't quite see what you're referring to? May 19 23:22:30 Then, I should have a working model of what I can do. May 19 23:23:02 I mean...I know what i can do. But, what can I do that i know how to do w/ the BBB is the question! May 19 23:23:13 Boy! May 19 23:23:32 Hold on. Let me get on the same page as you fellows. May 19 23:24:08 GenTooMan: as in, it seems like he had his views on philantropy already decades before the incidents associated with him May 19 23:25:51 "Sometimes the US had to purchase the Philipines?" May 19 23:25:52 zmatt, not everything Carnegie did is in Wikipedia. I live in an area where 100's of people died in one because of him. He founded the Iron and Steel patrol which went around grabbing people and dragging them to work in steel mills. They didn't bother checking if they were employed at the mill or not. May 19 23:26:12 GenTooMan: yikes May 19 23:26:23 Yea. Those mills suck...at times. May 19 23:26:26 zmatt, he had other people do his dirty work. May 19 23:26:42 It really depends on the mill but in those days, I am sure things were terrible. May 19 23:26:48 zmatt, a passive aggressive person to the extreme May 19 23:28:29 Iron ore! May 19 23:28:40 People are goofy about still to this day. May 19 23:29:49 bbl! May 19 23:29:58 I got a dated printer pick up! May 19 23:30:03 well Things have changed as their is only a few mills (one steel plant now puts out the same volume as all the ones that were in the area). May 19 23:30:29 so the printer went on a date with someone? May 19 23:31:05 GenTooMan: still, my point wasn't that he was innocent, but rather than I didn't see obvious "change" (i.e. it sounds more like he did both good and bad things, rather than first bad then good things) May 19 23:32:09 zmatt yeah like most people he did bad things, good things, and weird things too. May 19 23:32:14 doing good is not mutually exclusive with doing bad May 19 23:32:48 *shocked pikachu face* I'd never do bad or weird things! ;-) May 19 23:33:26 he's just more infamous in this area for the bad things. For example the use of a Gatling gun on striking workers. May 19 23:34:00 he never did it himself so he's not credited for it that's the part most people miss. He had someone else do it instead. May 19 23:35:42 he had Bill Gates Syndrom which is why the "Gates" foundation exists now. May 19 23:37:12 regardless it's not topic relevant so I'll be quiet (mostly) May 19 23:40:52 I was thinking of making a different motor controller cape but the board would dwarf the BBB. May 19 23:42:12 what kind of motors? May 19 23:44:16 one was a BLDC using a PRU to operate commutation. May 19 23:44:58 what isnthe feed back? hall or back emf? May 19 23:46:36 isn't a cape too close? I'd want more isolation so if things blow, i don't lose my compute side May 19 23:47:49 a cape could provide isolation, especially if it's bigger than the BBB May 19 23:49:34 I got the PRINTER! May 19 23:49:47 yes, much much bigger May 19 23:49:55 GenTooMan! I feel dandy free w/ my newfound printer! May 19 23:50:12 a reasonable size cable to a driver board seems more reasonable...but this depends on your application May 19 23:51:10 the isolation would be a bit more extreme than a hobbiest board to be fair. I am use to industrial scale stuff so a 12x12 board isn't a "big deal" May 19 23:51:30 GenTooMan: what application? May 19 23:52:02 ds2 industrial air drier with 240VAC on it? May 19 23:52:34 oh nice... not too far from my interest - car sized CNC's :D May 19 23:53:37 even bench top CNCs could use decent isolation and easy driver replacements May 19 23:54:03 these units were used by INTEL for drying air in semi lines they had 150mm inlet and outlet pipes on them. May 19 23:54:26 6 inch isn't that big May 19 23:54:33 umm that's compressed air May 19 23:54:41 what pressure? May 19 23:54:50 I think 300psig May 19 23:55:45 that thing was bigger than panel truck to be honest. May 19 23:56:06 * GenTooMan puts an A in that sentance. May 19 23:56:07 and those use BLDC? May 19 23:56:43 No those normally use big variable AC motors. I just happen to have a hobby of motor controller design :D May 19 23:56:53 oh oh May 19 23:57:20 You guys... May 19 23:57:26 even for small motors, I am against a cape... desoldering and resoldering allegro chips gets old fast May 19 23:58:09 Capes are neat for mass markets. No guts, no glory! It is all about the internals and selections. May 19 23:59:13 til you disconnect a motor at the wrong time May 19 23:59:23 Ha. Bzzt! May 19 23:59:28 I think set_ has successfully done that May 19 23:59:32 No! May 19 23:59:37 I surely have not. May 19 23:59:47 didn't you terminate your motor cape a few times? May 19 23:59:56 My old-new printer is on the fritz. May 19 23:59:57 No. May 20 00:00:05 I did not... May 20 00:00:07 set_: what kind of new printer? May 20 00:00:40 HP Officejet Pro 8000 (0ld school!)... May 20 00:00:40 Sort of... May 20 00:00:40 Not that old but older. May 20 00:00:57 2D May 20 00:01:01 Yes. May 20 00:01:26 Nothing special excpet that the printer heads are easy to get to... May 20 00:01:49 Pop in and pop out! May 20 00:01:59 I had a KX6800 that I did 12x18 sheets on. The problem was the heads kept clogging. May 20 00:02:07 See. May 20 00:02:11 I hate that issue. May 20 00:02:14 8600 I mean May 20 00:02:26 clogs. Too much spasm for one printer to handle. May 20 00:02:43 The driver for this printer is 158MB. Ha. May 20 00:03:04 I should recycle it actually... I have the time. May 20 00:03:08 Ha. May 20 00:03:25 GenTooMan: What is w/ all this time you have currently? May 20 00:04:08 Well, I plugged in the printer 17 minutes ago. It has been yelling the entire time. May 20 00:04:15 Ha. May 20 00:04:37 bzzt, ram-ram-ram, jam, bzzt, argh, gargle. May 20 00:05:09 It sounds like a pinball machine. May 20 00:05:29 I am still waiting on a DING. May 20 00:06:03 crack? Well, that was a new one. May 20 00:06:14 Good. it stopped. Phew. May 20 00:06:16 set_, trying to stay alive? I did mention I had been very Ill didn't I? May 20 00:06:23 Oh. May 20 00:06:25 I was unaware. May 20 00:06:30 I am sorry. May 20 00:06:38 We all our join the crowd :D May 20 00:06:52 I will keep the "GenTooMan!" to a minimum. May 20 00:07:06 are gah being dyslexic can be a pain May 20 00:07:16 I was wondering what happened. May 20 00:07:41 I used to call on you and you would pop up like JooJoo-Bar. Recently, I have seen less of you. May 20 00:08:13 Dyslexic, I remember a girl in class that was this way. May 20 00:08:42 People used to laugh at her like at me when I used to read out loud. May 20 00:09:15 ARgh! Revenge will be fury and a tidy clean up! May 20 00:09:19 Ha. May 20 00:09:22 Just kiddin'. May 20 00:09:51 Let me check something...the printer is quiet now. Thank you! May 20 00:11:46 I would worry about people laughing at you. or maybe I should say you should feel sorry for the people laughing at you. They don't know the consequences. May 20 00:15:25 Right. What if I lost it? May 20 00:15:39 and could not handle the insults...what if? May 20 00:15:45 Oh well. May 20 00:15:55 Let go and clam on. May 20 00:16:41 Or whatever. May 20 00:16:41 GenTooMan: Have you been sitting a lot lately? May 20 00:16:41 and staying indoors? May 20 00:17:10 Sun! It is a miracle, seriously. Try to be in the backyard and receive the bounty which is our Sun. Vit. D! May 20 00:17:29 "a little help went only so far, i know" But! It is in good intentions! May 20 00:17:39 That should help too! May 20 00:19:10 set_, it's rained for most of the last 2 weeks with only yesterday being sunny. May 20 00:19:10 Same here. We flooded in particular parts of the city. Cars under water and the whole shebang. May 20 00:19:10 My backyard was a river for six hours. May 20 00:19:32 I was panicking for a bit. But, the Sun can heal and hurt. Too much w/out clothing can damage cells and too little of the Sun will make you a ghost. May 20 00:19:34 well at least tornado's weren't a big deal this year. May 20 00:19:41 Phew is right. Damn right. May 20 00:20:31 We are more of a hurricane city, northern LA is where people get those tornados mostly. May 20 00:21:46 right next to MO in tornado alley May 20 00:24:16 Oh. May 20 00:24:19 how much of LA is swamp? May 20 00:24:22 Yikes. May 20 00:24:24 Oh... May 20 00:24:31 Not much actually. May 20 00:24:53 I mean, if you decide to travel the lands, all the tributaries off the mississipi is. May 20 00:25:14 thought LA is full of cypress knees and alligators? May 20 00:25:25 The mississipi river has created marsh. Yep. We have them. May 20 00:25:47 If you travel a bit south of this city, you can see them in the ditches. May 20 00:26:07 cypress? May 20 00:26:17 Cyprus? May 20 00:26:35 Good question. I do not venture in the marshes any longer. May 20 00:26:44 oh May 20 00:27:06 Last time I was in the swamp was in '11. May 20 00:27:11 I saw a fish spider. May 20 00:27:31 These spiders jump in the water from the Cyprus Trees and snag fish. May 20 00:27:42 It was scary as all hell. May 20 00:27:44 Ha. May 20 00:28:44 See, I am in and out in the town. This is as long as I have been here, i.e. this visit. 11 or 12 years now! May 20 00:29:10 But, we have the basin. May 20 00:29:14 It is enormous. May 20 00:29:50 They have a place down I-10. It is called Butte la Rose. May 20 00:29:51 Ha. May 20 00:30:01 Someone was goofin' up. May 20 00:30:39 Where does I-10 end? FL? May 20 00:30:44 FL to CA! May 20 00:31:13 TX sucks to travel down in I-10 territory. May 20 00:31:17 Boo! May 20 00:31:19 Two days! May 20 00:31:34 got to do that one day May 20 00:31:43 the alligators won't go after you unless you step near them I hear. May 20 00:31:49 only gone as far as AZ May 20 00:31:50 Oh. May 20 00:32:18 the only states I haven't been in area Alaska and Hawaii May 20 00:32:23 I do not mess w/ alligators at all. May 20 00:32:43 I don't want to admit living in Nevada. :D May 20 00:32:43 There is a real alligator rescue team in town. Ha. May 20 00:32:46 Ha. May 20 00:33:03 how touch is the alligator skin? May 20 00:33:14 tough May 20 00:33:20 Nevada, gambling galore. My grandfather would have loved Nevada. May 20 00:33:22 like would a 0.22 penetrate May 20 00:33:25 * GenTooMan almost had a joke ready. May 20 00:33:44 * set_ Puts the lotion on the skin? May 20 00:33:48 Ha. May 20 00:34:01 ds2: I am not sure. May 20 00:34:28 While alive...I am sure it is hard. I touched a small alligator back in the day when I was dumb as *&^%. May 20 00:34:49 Not doughy like lizard skin. May 20 00:34:53 * ds2 got an idea for a BBAI project - a gator detector May 20 00:34:59 It is tough. Nice. May 20 00:35:16 It screams out, "Gator?" May 20 00:35:39 Or..."Odd dog?" May 20 00:35:45 Code for Gator. May 20 00:35:57 useful for swamp camping :D May 20 00:36:19 Right...have you mastered that BBAI yet? May 20 00:36:43 no, going to wait til winter to try again... too much heat now May 20 00:36:52 I still cannot get the AI M4 to turn on. May 20 00:37:18 The TISDK on the RTOS does not support the AI yet. May 20 00:37:24 turn on as in suck in firmware or just turn on? May 20 00:37:33 oh. Firmware. May 20 00:37:55 It seems the M4 has fire loops to jump through to write to it. May 20 00:38:20 isn't the M4 for media accel ? May 20 00:38:39 I could not figure it out just yet b/c...1) The RTOS from TI does not work on the am5729. Well, one of them only. May 20 00:38:44 The second one. May 20 00:39:00 The second one is directed towards media accel. May 20 00:39:13 I think the first one is general purpose. May 20 00:40:00 I wrote an image to the BBAI from some Arago Project and the TI SDK. May 20 00:40:05 Boo. May 20 00:40:16 There is no way to update it or add anything via package managers. May 20 00:40:28 So, I have to start from scratch soon. May 20 00:41:48 oh and 2) RTOS is needed to handle M4 execution or something. May 20 00:42:21 No support and no instructions create no workable instances. May 20 00:47:06 opkg is a package manager and can install ipk packages... May 20 00:48:01 I know... May 20 00:48:16 opkg from the sources from TI do not work for some reason. May 20 00:48:37 I am not sure how they set up the package manager well enough yet. May 20 00:49:03 I tried to add .deb packages and the build fails then. May 20 00:49:56 It is like a circle of despair for the installation of PSDK from TI for now. Well, it was that way about a month ago. May 20 00:51:05 I even got the FanCape to handle all the computations one could devise. May 20 00:52:15 I think adding the wifi is where i came across issues. I thought the Ethernet would be plug and play. But! I am most likely incorrect. May 20 00:52:55 The good news is this! I learned more about vi. May 20 00:53:16 I could not install anything like nano for quick tests. May 20 00:54:22 Hey guys? Is there a reason to use the new image instead of Debian? May 20 00:54:41 For the BeagleV is what machine I am asking for... May 20 00:55:04 I saw the write up on Seeed's website. May 20 00:56:53 @denix: I tried to handle the .deb install in buildroot. It does not compile. So, reading is what cure I will take in the future. May 20 01:29:30 Hi all. Have any of you seen this error "ValueError: Set gpio mode failed, missing file or invalid permissions"? how did you fix it? May 20 01:30:13 zmatt Hi all. Have any of you seen this error "ValueError: Set gpio mode failed, missing file or invalid permissions"? how did you fix it? May 20 01:30:55 context? what is producing this error? May 20 01:31:14 it sounds like code is trying to control a non-existent gpio May 20 01:31:43 or rather, one that isn't controllable May 20 01:31:44 I installed adafruit BBIO and trying to toggle a basic pin May 20 01:31:58 are you running from SD card or from eMMC ? May 20 01:32:04 I am following this https://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-io-python-library-on-beaglebone-black/gpio May 20 01:32:12 eMMC May 20 01:32:14 also, adafruit bbio is installed by default May 20 01:32:43 Ok but I need to run it from ubunti 18.04 May 20 01:33:11 ubuntu is not supported, I have no idea if the adafruit library works on it at all May 20 01:33:47 Hmmm so it has to be debian? May 20 01:34:19 the debian images are the only officially supported images. I have no idea what does or doesn't work on the ubuntu images May 20 01:34:45 Ok let me try to install debian on another PC and see how that goes May 20 01:34:53 PC ? May 20 01:34:54 Thanks Zmatt May 20 01:35:01 I'm talking about what's running on the beaglebone May 20 01:35:09 what runs on your PC is your own business May 20 01:35:35 (and entirely irrelevant) May 20 01:35:44 Ohhh I thought you said I need debian on the PC to be able to control BBB-GPIO May 20 01:36:04 how would your PC be in any way involved in that? May 20 01:36:52 I need to toggle Beaglebone GPIO from python command runs from my PC May 20 01:36:57 you're just using your PC to connect to the beaglebone, it can run any OS... all you need on it is an ssh client (or a web browser if you're using cloud9) May 20 01:37:07 how did you install adafruit BBIO ? May 20 01:37:33 since, like I said, it's installed by default May 20 01:37:51 I followed this to install adafruit bbio on my pc May 20 01:37:52 https://learn.adafruit.com/setting-up-io-python-library-on-beaglebone-black/installation-on-ubuntu May 20 01:38:38 those instructions are ancient May 20 01:39:00 it's talking about a 3.8 kernel May 20 01:39:00 it's also using python 2 (which is obsolete) May 20 01:39:00 ok is there any other instructions? May 20 01:39:10 you don't need installation instructions, it's installed by default May 20 01:40:03 Adafruit-BBIO is installed by default on BBB yes May 20 01:40:33 But I need to run a python script from my PC which is connected to the BBB May 20 01:40:47 that is not a thing May 20 01:40:57 run the script on the beaglebone itself May 20 01:42:21 a script running on your PC can't magically directly control gpios on the beaglebone... that requires connecting to a service running on the beaglebone that controls the gpio for you May 20 01:43:05 I need to be able to control the GPIO's from my PC. I need to toggle GPIO's only when needed from my PC. I tried to use ssh Method but it took so long to do May 20 01:43:10 (such a service does in fact run on the beaglebone, called bonescript, though I'm not really familiar with it how it works other than that it's reachable via websockets) May 20 01:44:02 ok where can I find documentations for bonescript? May 20 01:44:33 have you tried googling it? that would be what I'd do May 20 01:45:22 node that bonescript is meant to be convenient to use from the browesr... it may not be the most convenient solution for a python script May 20 01:48:08 could always setup a cgi script May 20 01:49:22 if I'd need a really quick and dirty solution for this myself, I'd be tempted to write the service as a tiny shell script and use a systemd service with StandardInput=socket (i.e. inetd emulation) May 20 01:51:16 but if you're already using python, you could also just write a tiny service in python May 20 01:51:41 that would probably be less hassle than messing with websockets and bonescript May 20 02:13:17 anyone know how to get the new discourse stuff to send out reasonable emails? May 20 02:57:23 ds2: howdy ! you can set discourse to send you a daily digest **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 20 03:00:43 2021