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Dec 03 10:00:11 <markand> anyone has an idea why a brand new 4d system screen shows in the correct orientation but X/Y touchscreen are completely swapped? touching left edge bring cursor exactly at the opposite
Dec 03 10:00:18 <markand> xinput_calibrator does not help
Dec 03 16:02:20 <tigerxyz> GoodMorning! I found that ifconfig wlan0 down or other interfaces, such as can0, etc. doesn't remove the interface from listing. It wasn't behave that way. Wondering anything changed or there is a hardware related issue?
Dec 03 16:12:53 <zmatt> tigerxyz: it has never worked like that
Dec 03 16:13:02 <zmatt> like, ever
Dec 03 16:13:30 <zmatt> unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying
Dec 03 16:15:09 <zmatt> interfaces represent hardware, the only way to remove them is by removing the hardware (or linux' knowledge thereof, via DT) or the driver
Dec 03 16:16:09 <tigerxyz> Ok, now I know. ifconfig wlan0 down, then ifconfig, the wlan0 will not be listed, but it still lists with ifconfig wlan0
Dec 03 16:16:14 <zmatt> (btw, ifconfig is an obsolete utility, its replacement is the 'ip' utility)
Dec 03 16:16:30 <zmatt> I have no idea what ifconfig produces as output under which conditions
Dec 03 16:17:10 <zmatt> I'd have expected it to list interfaces that are down (just like ip does)
Dec 03 16:17:32 <tigerxyz> ifconfig will list all the interfaces: such as can0, lo, usb0, wlan0, etc
Dec 03 16:18:52 <zmatt> hmm it does seem like ifconfig hides some interfaces unless you pass -a
Dec 03 16:18:58 <zmatt> 'ip addr' shows all of them
Dec 03 16:19:09 <zmatt> (or 'ip link' if you're not interested in addresses)
Dec 03 16:19:42 <zmatt> oh maybe ifconfig hides the can interfaces because it doesn't understand them ('ip' does)
Dec 03 16:20:52 <tigerxyz> Thank you, I was using ip command for can interface only. Now I know it is a replacement of ifconfig. Good to know.
Dec 03 23:27:48 <zmatt> interesting, the max row/cell the google sheets api is able to parse is ZZZ214748354  ... that row number is INT_MAX/10-10 which seems like an odd limit to me
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Dec 05 00:15:57 * set_ wonders what every GenTooMan happened to it?
Dec 05 00:16:05 <set_> Dang it.
Dec 05 00:16:09 <set_> Never mind me.
Dec 05 02:51:16 <GenTooMan> OK set_
Dec 05 02:52:01 <set_> GenTooMan!
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