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Apr 29 07:36:40 <Guest80> Hi
Apr 29 07:37:44 <Guest80> I wanted to get pocket beagle device information, however it is asking for a certain code
Apr 29 07:37:57 <Guest80> so can you plz help in this matter
Apr 29 07:39:28 <zmatt> ?
Apr 29 07:59:25 <Guest80> Basically i wanted to get pocket beagele device information from my system, it is connected and working.
Apr 29 07:59:38 <Guest80> However when i am trying to get device information it is asking me to enTer certain code
Apr 29 08:39:02 <zmatt> Guest80: please don't send unsolicited private messages
Apr 29 08:39:24 <zmatt> Guest80: if you're talking about the use of sudo, it's asking for the password of the "debian" account, which is "temppwd"
Apr 29 08:39:38 <zmatt> same password you use to log in
Apr 29 08:40:20 <zmatt> if that's not what you're talking about, then I have no idea what you mean
Apr 29 09:10:54 <Guest8025> I am very new to this platform, i hope that this community understand that.
Apr 29 09:10:54 <Guest8025> However, thanks you for the response zmatt.
Apr 29 09:12:23 <zmatt> how sudo works isn't platform-specific though
Apr 29 09:12:37 <zmatt> sudo works the same on any linux system
Apr 29 09:15:32 <Guest804> I can't explain zmatt, i believe you more professional then me. If i am doing a msg which not relevent to this chat, that should be highighted during posting of my message, i can write any thing over here. It is the draw back of this platform.
Apr 29 09:16:45 <zmatt> no worries, but if you're very new to linux you may want to look into some resources on using linux in general
Apr 29 09:18:21 <Guest804> Absolutely. i will check that out. Thanks for the response.
Apr 29 15:08:05 <guilherme86> Hello! We've been having a bit of an issue with our Beaglebone Black, we utilize pins P9_23, P9_24, P9_25, P9_26 and P9_41 for an internal equipment identification system, through a dip switch, and whenever any of these pins is set to "on", we completely lose connectivity through ethernet (eth0 down)
Apr 29 15:08:57 <guilherme86> We're using 10k pull down resistors and 3.3V input voltage for the dip switch, manipulating the dip switch doesn't affect the Beaglebone's connectivity after the boot process is done
Apr 29 15:09:00 <zmatt> guilherme86: make sure hdmi-audio is disabled (or hdmi is disabled entirely)
Apr 29 15:09:22 <zmatt> are you using 3.3V from the beaglebone itself?
Apr 29 15:10:37 <guilherme86> HDMI/Audio are disabled, however, 3.3V is in a bit of a weird situation
Apr 29 15:10:48 <zmatt> that sounds ominous
Apr 29 15:11:01 <guilherme86> We use the Beaglebone's 5V through a regulator to drop it to 3.3V before using it
Apr 29 15:11:14 <zmatt> that is not acceptable
Apr 29 15:11:19 <guilherme86> I honestly have no idea why this decision came to be
Apr 29 15:11:44 <zmatt> the 5V supply comes up significantly prior to the 3.3V supply
Apr 29 15:12:09 <zmatt> which means you're driving 3.3V into pins of an unpowered power domain, which exceeds the absolute maximum ratings of the SoC
Apr 29 15:12:27 <guilherme86> I see, I tried to search for something like that, but nothing came up
Apr 29 15:12:32 <guilherme86> I'll pass it on, thanks a lot for the help!
Apr 29 15:12:44 <zmatt> erratic issues from the ethernet phy is the least of your problems, you may be slowly damaging the hardware on each power-up
Apr 29 15:15:25 <zmatt> and my guess would be your injection of 3.3V into the I/Os is causing problems in the power-up sequence of the supplies, including that of the ethernet phy, resulting in it ending up in an erratic state
Apr 29 15:15:43 <zmatt> especially since the ethernet phy is known to be finnicky about the power-up sequence
Apr 29 15:17:59 <guilherme86> Yea, I wasn't aware of the power up sequence, and now it all makes sense
Apr 29 15:18:31 <guilherme86> Thanks a ton, zmatt
Apr 29 15:39:08 <zmatt> guilherme86: of course in general, most ICs do not appreciate if you expose their inputs to a voltage significantly above the corresponding I/O supply voltage
Apr 29 23:29:34 <set_> I missed so much of you all lately. I am very sorry I have not been so giving in this chat lately. Does anyone care?
Apr 29 23:29:59 <set_> Excuse me. Let me restate that question.
Apr 29 23:30:35 <set_> Does anyone care about the BBBs lack of use b/c of the lack of supply? Demand must be there by the many. But? I do not know.
Apr 29 23:31:19 <set_> I guess it is really hard to find parts and equipment these days. Same thing happened in the oil boom/bust. That is what they call it in this state.
Apr 29 23:31:35 <set_> It happens like every 20 years.
Apr 29 23:33:19 <set_> I know reasons are reasons and hoopla be damned but I wanted to get a new BBB one day. My 2GB BBB is sort of busted. I jolted one to the reaper already. Well, it was a BBBlue. Dang combinations on circuitry had me goofed out.
Apr 29 23:35:03 <set_> And then, one just up and committed itself to life of, "Now I, BBB, am w/out power - forever -."
Apr 29 23:36:29 <set_> I tried to talk to the people about the 3.3v that I fed into it. For some reason, they would have rathered me get a new one instead of hear me out. It was awkward, i.e. like me and this elongated nothingness of me doing me.
Apr 29 23:36:58 <set_> So, until next time, peace and fancy dishes!
Apr 29 23:49:17 * set_ makes next time right now!
Apr 29 23:49:28 <set_> What is the deal in the forums?
Apr 29 23:50:27 <set_> And by "deal," I am saying it seems like a lot of people are chiming in to "nail" one another instead of hosts of people rewarding hard working individuals in their plight.
Apr 29 23:52:25 <set_> Anyway, whomever wants to answer, good on them. I feel sort of aches for the rcn-ee.com person and his knowledge. People want answers and are not understanding. Things happen, stuff happens, and "it is a bad time to stop sniffing glue."
Apr 29 23:53:49 * set_ feels better already. Sorry but this little, truth teller hates to see it happen. It is like that Jesus story but w/ a rap song of haters hatin'. Ha.
Apr 30 00:13:36 <set_> Yes. Rap hatin' in the forums. I know it sounds funny. It is. It is funny. hatin' on haters made my day. Thank you BBB!
Apr 30 00:14:03 <set_> Now...off to search for them in the regular sites.
Apr 30 00:20:56 <set_> I do not know how you guys did it but it is done. I see the dates for the boards already up there and posting.
Apr 30 00:20:59 <set_> ...
Apr 30 00:21:01 <set_> Thank you.
Apr 30 00:21:17 <zmatt> farnell seems to have 'em in stock
Apr 30 00:21:56 <set_> oh.
Apr 30 00:22:12 <set_> Yea...I think those are the older models. I love updates.
Apr 30 00:22:52 <set_> I want to test the new ones. I thought Farnell was Avnet?
Apr 30 00:23:01 <set_> Avnet is Farnell. No!
Apr 30 00:23:53 <zmatt> I don't think so?
Apr 30 00:23:57 <set_> Just kiddin'. I was making a Jim Carrey joke. Laces out, Dan.
Apr 30 00:23:59 <set_> Oh?
Apr 30 00:24:01 <set_> I will check.
Apr 30 00:25:02 <set_> Newark is Farnell. I am in the USA.
Apr 30 00:26:08 <set_> @zmatt: Thank you, I will look.
Apr 30 00:26:13 <zmatt> hmm, yeah it seems so, except newark and farnell don't have the same stock
Apr 30 00:26:28 <set_> Hmm. Odd. Maybe something about the EU?
Apr 30 00:26:31 <zmatt> but newark does say that 1000 units will be available on 4/30/22 ... which sounds like today
Apr 30 00:26:51 <set_> That is tomorrow for me. Thank you.
Apr 30 00:28:21 <zmatt> yeah, today-ish ;-)
Apr 30 00:35:06 <PhotoJim> set_: he's zmatt.  he zcompresses time.
Apr 30 00:50:46 <set_> Oh.
Apr 30 00:50:49 <set_> Nice!
Apr 30 00:51:08 <set_> I like compressed cheeses. Send the Gouda.
Apr 30 00:51:18 <set_> Or BBBs.
Apr 30 00:51:33 <PhotoJim> set_: zgouda.
Apr 30 00:51:40 <set_> zouda?
Apr 30 00:51:41 <PhotoJim> good zgouda goods.
Apr 30 00:51:44 <zmatt> gouda is a boring cheese, old amsterdam is better
Apr 30 00:51:49 <set_> Oh.
Apr 30 00:51:59 <set_> It is a healthy white cheese some say.
Apr 30 00:52:23 <set_> Just like the Original. Ever eat black cheese?
Apr 30 00:52:26 <PhotoJim> sounds like something I've said to a girlfriend one time or other.
Apr 30 00:52:51 <set_> Black cheese is found in long hikes after the mold on mold has taken over.
Apr 30 00:52:57 <set_> Cheese is just mold anyway.
Apr 30 00:53:12 <set_> So, black cheese is cheese. Right?
Apr 30 00:53:32 <zmatt> cheese does not involve mold unless it's moldy cheese
Apr 30 00:53:38 <set_> I ate it. I was 157 miles in and hungry.
Apr 30 00:53:54 <set_> A bird attacked me and that was the last time I ate black cheese.
Apr 30 00:54:17 <set_> Pheasants hate me when I eat black cheese.
Apr 30 00:54:31 <set_> @zmatt!
Apr 30 00:54:37 <set_> Cheese is mold.
Apr 30 00:55:56 <zmatt> a few cheeses involve mold, most don't
Apr 30 00:56:13 <set_> PhotoJim: did she eat the black cheese and did a bird attack her?
Apr 30 00:56:28 <set_> If you get a good batch. Mold is the cause. Fair?
Apr 30 00:56:51 <PhotoJim> set_: We didn't discuss cheese.
Apr 30 00:56:55 <set_> Oh.
Apr 30 00:57:07 <set_> Okay. No issue. I am alone now.
Apr 30 00:57:13 <zmatt> set_: I personally hate moldy cheeses (e.g. blue cheese)
Apr 30 00:57:18 * PhotoJim hints that it might have been a euphemism.  Or a fictitious story.  One never knows.
Apr 30 00:57:21 <PhotoJim> Me too.
Apr 30 00:57:22 <PhotoJim> At least all I've tried.
Apr 30 00:57:26 <PhotoJim> they have a weird aftertaste to me.
Apr 30 00:57:34 <PhotoJim> I like a lot of cheeses, but not those.
Apr 30 00:57:40 <zmatt> yeah same
Apr 30 00:58:01 <set_> I am glad you guys still chat. Sometimes, the BBB cannot be the only device known in this chat. Light hearted ways are good too.
Apr 30 00:58:04 <set_> Blue Cheese sucks.
Apr 30 00:58:05 <PhotoJim> we did a picnic in Paris once and a service brought the picnic.  wine, baguettes, cheese.  the cheeses were ridiculously good.  I made note of the kinds sometime and will try some of them again.
Apr 30 00:58:12 <PhotoJim> France does cheese.
Apr 30 00:58:28 <set_> Terrible.
Apr 30 00:58:38 <set_> And...what is cottage cheese?
Apr 30 00:58:42 <PhotoJim> even UK cheese is pretty good.  I picked up a brick of cheddar from the town of Cheddar.  damn.
Apr 30 00:58:49 <set_> ha!
Apr 30 00:58:51 <zmatt> set_: you know there's these things called google, and wikipedia?
Apr 30 00:58:54 <PhotoJim> here, we call it Seasonal Residence Curds.
Apr 30 00:59:03 <set_> Oh. Curds and way?
Apr 30 00:59:08 <PhotoJim> No whey.
Apr 30 00:59:12 <set_> Oh.
Apr 30 00:59:19 <PhotoJim> No, we don't call it that.
Apr 30 00:59:23 <set_> Whey is full of protein.
Apr 30 00:59:25 <set_> Oh.
Apr 30 00:59:36 <PhotoJim> I don't love cottage cheese, or sour cream, actually.  Can tolerate it.  But don't go out of my way to have it.
Apr 30 00:59:45 <PhotoJim> Yeah, whey is good.
Apr 30 00:59:50 <PhotoJim> Curds are good too.  Poutine, e.g.
Apr 30 01:00:01 <PhotoJim> Proper poutine uses fresh curds, not cheese.
Apr 30 01:00:06 <set_> @zmatt: I know. I just thought silly time every so often is better than me mouthing off about random stuff.
Apr 30 01:00:08 <set_> Hmm.
Apr 30 01:00:09 <PhotoJim> gravy.  good fresh-cut French fries.  and that's it.
Apr 30 01:00:27 <PhotoJim> Yeah, we're a little off topic. :)
Apr 30 01:00:30 <set_> Can I go out on a limb here?
Apr 30 01:00:32 <set_> Ha.
Apr 30 01:00:37 <PhotoJim> And I have a BeagleBone Black.
Apr 30 01:00:41 <set_> Nice!
Apr 30 01:01:00 <set_> I can do stuff w/ mine!
Apr 30 01:01:07 <PhotoJim> I got it at a CompuCenter in Kansas City (well, Overland Park, KS) when I was there three years ago.
Apr 30 01:01:14 <set_> I am still working on how and when to learn about the PRUs.
Apr 30 01:01:15 <PhotoJim> It was an impulse purchase.
Apr 30 01:01:37 <set_> Nice. I got a whole sleuth of them and daughter cards b/c I am a fanatic.
Apr 30 01:01:44 <set_> Capes!
Apr 30 01:02:13 <set_> I like to plug 'em in, watch 'em go, and learn more about how exactly it is taking place.
Apr 30 01:02:25 <PhotoJim> Capes are something I haven't done yet.
Apr 30 01:02:36 <set_> I mean...electrons? Come on?
Apr 30 01:03:07 <set_> really, you add voltage to the electrons in a manner that makes them aggravated?
Apr 30 01:03:33 <set_> They start to bounce around and touch each other causing movement.
Apr 30 01:03:48 <set_> This movement is now a full blown marathon we can control?
Apr 30 01:03:54 <set_> Nice!
Apr 30 01:04:08 <PhotoJim> heh
Apr 30 01:04:10 <set_> ha.
Apr 30 01:04:28 <set_> I get more technical but not for another seven hours.
Apr 30 01:04:53 <set_> If you want banter, down the road, the banter turns technical but not right off the ole slugger.
Apr 30 01:05:14 <set_> Euphemisms!
Apr 30 01:05:18 <set_> I love 'em.
Apr 30 01:05:40 <PhotoJim> And double entendres!
Apr 30 01:05:51 <set_> It is hard to put a saying in w/ technical jargon.
Apr 30 01:05:53 <set_> Right.
Apr 30 01:06:05 <set_> One thing means two things and so on...
Apr 30 01:06:13 <set_> It is like banana.
Apr 30 01:06:33 <set_> Or not.
Apr 30 01:06:45 <set_> It does not have to be banana.
Apr 30 01:06:53 <PhotoJim> It does not.
Apr 30 01:06:57 <set_> Okay.
Apr 30 01:07:26 <PhotoJim> My wife has a Honda Fit.  I wanted her to get the personalized plate "WE FIT".  As in, we drive a Fit.  We fit in this car.  And a nod to the then-big Wii Fit.  Triple entendre!  But no.
Apr 30 01:07:56 <set_> Sorry. Excuse me for saying so. So, Mr. PhotoJim, what have you done w/ your BBB lately?
Apr 30 01:08:04 <set_> Oh and by the way, nice triple.
Apr 30 01:08:46 <PhotoJim> Not a lot to be honest.  I have Arch Linux running on it with a very current 5.17.x (.3?) kernel.  I really should find a specific task for it.
Apr 30 01:08:49 <PhotoJim> and thanks. :)
Apr 30 01:09:10 <set_> Those darn PRUs and their silicon ways. I watch videos from TI on them, not well documented lately. I keep trying to figure how when.
Apr 30 01:09:28 <set_> You are welcome. I keep trying to figure out when people will make me understand what I missed.
Apr 30 01:10:05 <PhotoJim> PRUs?
Apr 30 01:10:13 <PhotoJim> Google thins I'm intrigued by Prudential Financial.
Apr 30 01:10:15 <set_> I have all their videos on how to port Linux, use the PRUs, and etc. But! No one has made me understand how exactly they work yet.
Apr 30 01:10:21 <set_> Ha.
Apr 30 01:10:26 <zmatt> PhotoJim: Programmable Real-time Units
Apr 30 01:10:29 <set_> Now. Programmable Real...
Apr 30 01:10:30 <set_> yes.
Apr 30 01:10:38 <PhotoJim> ahh, okay.  thanks.
Apr 30 01:10:59 <set_> I am in to acronyms more and more since arriving here.
Apr 30 01:11:14 <set_> Deet Do Deet Do.
Apr 30 01:11:15 <PhotoJim> I do plenty of them in my own directions :)
Apr 30 01:11:21 <zmatt> PhotoJim: the AM335x on the BBB has a PRU subsystem (PRUSS or PRU-ICSS) with two simple microcontroller cores with very simple and deterministic instruction timing, some local memory and peripherals, and dedicated I/O wired straight into registers
Apr 30 01:11:39 <set_> MMU!
Apr 30 01:11:40 <PhotoJim> zmatt: gotcha. :)
Apr 30 01:11:44 <zmatt> set_: no mmu
Apr 30 01:11:49 <set_> Oh
Apr 30 01:11:52 <set_> Dang it.
Apr 30 01:12:05 <set_> So, I have to chat w/ the arm core first?
Apr 30 01:12:11 <set_> Or bus?
Apr 30 01:12:49 <zmatt> PhotoJim: they're by far the coolest feature of the BBB, e.g. for creating custom signals with very precise timing
Apr 30 01:12:53 <zmatt> set_: ???
Apr 30 01:13:14 <zmatt> PhotoJim: there's also a project which uses them to turn the BBB into a 12-channel 100Msps logic analyzer
Apr 30 01:13:22 <set_> @zmatt: I know. It is not for me. I should keep timing out of my daily schedule for now.
Apr 30 01:14:47 <set_> Anyway, I have something called a ni_release hitting my computer soon. I hope it does not disable my brain/computer.
Apr 30 01:15:08 <set_> Odd.
Apr 30 01:15:31 <set_> Anyway, PRU, whatever. I will make some more stuff available in time and then try the PRU stuff again.
Apr 30 01:15:50 <set_> I mean...dang it. Where would I go?
Apr 30 01:15:54 <PhotoJim> zmatt: I should really learn more about some of those things and useful applications for them.
Apr 30 01:16:15 <set_> yes...and!
Apr 30 01:16:26 <set_> PhotoJim: You could then teach me!
Apr 30 01:16:33 <set_> yes?
Apr 30 01:16:45 <set_> Please. i beg of you. I am not an alien.
Apr 30 01:16:53 <set_> I am a real boy.
Apr 30 01:16:55 <set_> Ha.
Apr 30 01:17:22 <zmatt> that's exactly what an alien would say
Apr 30 01:17:26 <set_> Ha.
Apr 30 01:17:47 <PhotoJim> set_: heh.
Apr 30 01:17:50 <set_> Come on, man, men, ladies.
Apr 30 01:17:53 <PhotoJim> I know a thing or two.  Just not about this. :)
Apr 30 01:18:08 <set_> Someone or a group of some individuals teach me a bunch of stuff.
Apr 30 01:18:12 <set_> Oh.
Apr 30 01:18:20 <PhotoJim> 3-run shot, Vladimir Guerrero Jr!  Meesa like baseball.
Apr 30 01:18:29 <set_> Oh.
Apr 30 01:18:35 <PhotoJim> I imagine a person could learn a lot paying attention in here.
Apr 30 01:18:46 <set_> yes.
Apr 30 01:18:49 <set_> You are right.
Apr 30 01:19:19 <set_> Sometimes, in six hours, technical time starts but I just checked my clock. It is about to be dark here. Dang it, timing.
Apr 30 01:19:49 <set_> Dang it.
Apr 30 01:20:01 <PhotoJim> The days are lengthening nicely here.  I think we're already over 14 hours.
Apr 30 01:20:05 <set_> It is really already 7:20.
Apr 30 01:20:07 <PhotoJim> So still daylight.
Apr 30 01:20:08 <set_> Blah.
Apr 30 01:20:13 <set_> yes!
Apr 30 01:20:23 <PhotoJim> CDT there?  we're Central time but stay on Standard year-round.
Apr 30 01:20:26 <set_> Yes!
Apr 30 01:20:29 <set_> Central!
Apr 30 01:20:33 <PhotoJim> So you're technically in my time zone.
Apr 30 01:20:38 <set_> Ha. Nice.
Apr 30 01:20:51 <set_> Our Gov't tried to make it happen for "farmers."
Apr 30 01:21:12 <PhotoJim> heh
Apr 30 01:21:25 <set_> Just like when Bush tried to make daylight longer for "farmers."
Apr 30 01:21:37 <PhotoJim> we should be half Mountain, half Central but in 1966, the government said enough and made us all Central Standard Time.  so we're equal to CST in the winter, and we're equal to MDT in the summer.
Apr 30 01:21:50 <set_> I like the Sun.
Apr 30 01:21:51 <set_> Oh.
Apr 30 01:21:54 <PhotoJim> Farmers don't care.  They just get up before dawn no matter what time of year it is.
Apr 30 01:21:55 <set_> Interesting.
Apr 30 01:22:01 <set_> Right.
Apr 30 01:22:17 <set_> Exactly. And...they do what they do. Not b/c it is daylight.
Apr 30 01:22:17 <PhotoJim> which sucks here in June, when even in the south, sunrise is at 4:15 am and sunset at 9:45 pm.
Apr 30 01:22:21 <PhotoJim> right.
Apr 30 01:22:27 <set_> What?
Apr 30 01:22:36 <PhotoJim> and in the winter, they play with their BeagleBones, I imagine :)
Apr 30 01:22:37 <set_> That is a damn long day of SUn.
Apr 30 01:22:45 <set_> Ha! yep.
Apr 30 01:22:46 <PhotoJim> Yes.  It's the opposite in December.
Apr 30 01:22:52 <PhotoJim> Sunset 4:15 pm.  Sunrise 9:45 am.
Apr 30 01:22:54 <set_> Alaska?
Apr 30 01:23:01 <PhotoJim> Not that far north.  Saskatchewan.
Apr 30 01:23:06 <set_> Aw.
Apr 30 01:23:17 <PhotoJim> Alaska's a couple of time zones west of us.  Three I think.
Apr 30 01:23:22 <set_> Ha.
Apr 30 01:23:49 <set_> I never learned how to pronounce that land correctly. Probably why I got stuck in Louisiana.
Apr 30 01:24:14 <PhotoJim> heh
Apr 30 01:24:17 <set_> Ha.
Apr 30 01:24:26 <PhotoJim> sounds something like sus KAT chi wun
Apr 30 01:24:31 <set_> It will creep up on  you.
Apr 30 01:24:53 <set_> Speakin' of creepin' up on something.
Apr 30 01:24:54 <PhotoJim> I've been near-ish to Louisiana.  east Texas.  north Mississippi.  Arkansas.
Apr 30 01:25:12 <set_> You missed the Sportsman Paradise?
Apr 30 01:25:17 <set_> Damn.
Apr 30 01:25:52 <set_> You could have ate rice dressing from pig skin?
Apr 30 01:26:08 <set_> You are missing everything...ha. dribble, dribble, dribble.
Apr 30 01:26:15 <PhotoJim> I had crawfish though!
Apr 30 01:26:18 <set_> Nice.
Apr 30 01:26:26 <PhotoJim> They were really good.  Nice heat, but not too much.
Apr 30 01:26:27 <set_> That is a big favorite for some people here.
Apr 30 01:26:38 <PhotoJim> First and only time I've had them.  But I like crab and I like lobster.
Apr 30 01:26:47 <PhotoJim> I tend to eat fast, but you cannot eat crawfish fast.
Apr 30 01:26:52 <PhotoJim> probably good for me.
Apr 30 01:27:03 <set_> People eat gator, too. Right, it takes forever. Another good point.
Apr 30 01:27:05 <PhotoJim> I ate at an all-you-can-eat blue crab place in Baltimore once too.  Equally joyous.
Apr 30 01:27:16 <set_> Blue.
Apr 30 01:27:18 <PhotoJim> Heh.  I haven't eaten alligator.  Might try it, but not super keen. :)
Apr 30 01:27:39 <set_> Slow mo' gator! If you catch it, you got to eat it.
Apr 30 01:27:56 <PhotoJim> I stay away from alligators.  I understand bears better.
Apr 30 01:28:04 <PhotoJim> I stay away from them too mind.
Apr 30 01:28:40 <set_> Food is good. Did you see the burger flippin' BBB?
Apr 30 01:28:47 <PhotoJim> Heh.  No.  A real thing?
Apr 30 01:28:51 <set_> I still cannot figure out...yes.
Apr 30 01:28:53 <set_> real.
Apr 30 01:28:55 <PhotoJim> Nice segue!
Apr 30 01:28:58 <set_> Ha.
Apr 30 01:28:58 <PhotoJim> that's hilarious.
Apr 30 01:29:08 <PhotoJim> I do not have enough spare time to figure out stuff like that.
Apr 30 01:29:26 <PhotoJim> NOt yet anyway.
Apr 30 01:29:26 <set_> I cannot figure out if they used the PRUs or the ARM to handle the flippin' mechanics.
Apr 30 01:29:41 <set_> I am stuck w/ time on time when and only when I am hurt, i.e. all the time.
Apr 30 01:30:06 <set_> I just got better, sort of, today. I dislocated my back.
Apr 30 01:30:43 <set_> It is scary. I see these people that do things to themselves, accidental injuries, and it makes me frightful of what could have been my life.
Apr 30 01:31:01 <set_> I heal. I am grateful.
Apr 30 01:31:12 <set_> I have no one to thank.
Apr 30 01:31:14 <PhotoJim> Glad you're going to be okay.
Apr 30 01:31:21 <set_> It is selfish and awesome.
Apr 30 01:31:22 <set_>  me too!
Apr 30 01:31:58 <set_> PhotoJim: Do you take a lot of photography stuff?
Apr 30 01:32:02 <set_> I know...I am boring.
Apr 30 01:32:33 <PhotoJim> set_: a fair bit.  more sometimes, less at others.  but I've done a lot since I was a teenager.  still have a darkroom.  shoot mostly digital now but not entirely.
Apr 30 01:32:41 <set_> Nice.
Apr 30 01:32:44 <set_> Right.
Apr 30 01:32:52 <PhotoJim> sometimes I don't want to be on a computer.
Apr 30 01:32:56 <set_> I met this person in life. She had a darkroom.
Apr 30 01:32:57 <set_> ha!
Apr 30 01:33:14 <set_> I took photos on live animals in stills.
Apr 30 01:33:21 <PhotoJim> I mostly do landscapes and scenics.
Apr 30 01:33:27 <set_> It was awesome to see what she could do.
Apr 30 01:33:29 <set_> Nice.
Apr 30 01:33:49 <set_> Spooky place. She yelled at me. Close the F*$&^ door!
Apr 30 01:34:07 <PhotoJim> lol
Apr 30 01:34:07 <set_> The last time, i was scared them, I saw her.
Apr 30 01:34:15 <PhotoJim> my darkroom door locks.  no one comes in if it's not safe :)
Apr 30 01:34:17 <set_> I know.
Apr 30 01:34:20 <set_> nice.
Apr 30 01:34:35 <PhotoJim> I always wanted one of those sealed rotating doors so people could come and go while the room is dark, but they're expensive and take a lot of space.
Apr 30 01:34:40 <PhotoJim> nice for commercial darkrooms though.
Apr 30 01:34:55 <set_> Right. I never did see those for some reason.
Apr 30 01:35:26 <PhotoJim> I've only seen a couple.
Apr 30 01:35:26 <set_> She developed the photos as B & W.
Apr 30 01:35:37 <PhotoJim> Yeah, I only do B&W in mine.  I have done colour, but labs are easier.
Apr 30 01:35:42 <set_> I told her to do so but she knew better.
Apr 30 01:35:45 <PhotoJim> B&W though, it's hard to get anyone who can do it as well as I think I can do it.
Apr 30 01:35:52 <set_> Right.
Apr 30 01:36:12 <set_> So, done. You do it and complete.
Apr 30 01:36:34 <set_> no busy mess of people, no runnin' in and around rotations, and so on.
Apr 30 01:37:13 <PhotoJim> yep.
Apr 30 01:37:17 <PhotoJim> no interruptions.
Apr 30 01:37:19 <PhotoJim> just do my thing.
Apr 30 01:37:20 <set_> I got this DragonFly on the concrete. Impossible to catch that up close but I did. It was an awesome photo but the development was shoddy.
Apr 30 01:37:34 <PhotoJim> oh cool.
Apr 30 01:37:56 <set_> B & W. From that lady that yelled at me...she really wanted to do color photos.
Apr 30 01:38:18 <set_> Man. I was pissed. Blured.
Apr 30 01:38:21 <PhotoJim> people should do what calls to them.
Apr 30 01:38:47 <set_> yep. I will have enough guts one day to do so.
Apr 30 01:38:49 <PhotoJim> just like with computers.  more fun for me to play with a little single-board computer and Linux than to run Windows on some commodity hardware.
Apr 30 01:38:57 <PhotoJim> find stuff that calls to you.
Apr 30 01:39:14 * set_ likes jello.
Apr 30 01:39:25 <set_> Bill Cosby liked Jello.
Apr 30 01:39:27 <set_> See.
Apr 30 01:39:33 <set_> I cannot. I am not ready.
Apr 30 01:39:59 <set_> I joke too much when things are serious.
Apr 30 01:40:13 <PhotoJim> I like to joke.  but I don't mind being serious sometimes.
Apr 30 01:40:55 <set_> Me...I get mean when I am serious. I never knew how to express well enough to come across as moderately serious w/ tone.
Apr 30 01:41:09 <PhotoJim> it can be learned.
Apr 30 01:41:35 <set_> Right. Maturity. I am still young minded. I had some years, no longer discussed, that whooped me.
Apr 30 01:41:49 <PhotoJim> most people have at least a few experiences that do that.
Apr 30 01:41:55 <set_> PhotoJim: Guess what time it is?
Apr 30 01:42:26 <set_> ni_release time!
Apr 30 01:42:32 <set_> Beat you to it.
Apr 30 01:42:42 <PhotoJim> lol
Apr 30 01:42:54 <set_> PhotoJim: Do you know about the ni_release?
Apr 30 01:43:01 <PhotoJim> I do not. Fill me in.
Apr 30 01:43:16 <set_> I have not one clue. My computer says ni_release time.
Apr 30 01:43:24 <set_> Update.
Apr 30 01:43:42 <set_> It is supposedly an update called ni_release but I did not ask for it.
Apr 30 01:43:54 <PhotoJim> ahh.  SOunds like a Windows thing, from Google?  I rarely run Windows. :)
Apr 30 01:43:59 <set_> I think I should do it but I am not sure.
Apr 30 01:44:00 <set_> Oh!
Apr 30 01:44:04 <set_> yes. dindows!
Apr 30 01:44:11 <set_> Windows!
Apr 30 01:44:31 <set_> I just put together this darn Buildroot thing on the BBB.
Apr 30 01:45:00 <set_> Dang it. Then, after some jargon, people say, "There is not any apt from Buildroot."
Apr 30 01:45:16 <set_> I look it up via armbian's site.
Apr 30 01:45:24 <set_> Blah. They were right.
Apr 30 01:45:31 <PhotoJim> heh
Apr 30 01:45:38 <set_> So, now, I either hold the apt and ...what?
Apr 30 01:46:25 <set_> PhotoJim: "heh" is what you say. What does "heh" mean?
Apr 30 01:47:30 <set_> Are you tired of understanding me?
Apr 30 01:47:33 <PhotoJim> it's like a chuckle
Apr 30 01:47:36 <set_> I can quit.
Apr 30 01:47:37 <set_> Oh.
Apr 30 01:47:48 <set_> Okay...
Apr 30 01:48:28 <set_> Anyway, I should update the computer and dance w/ wolves. Unlike the movie plot, I will lie in my own mess. Have no fret!
Apr 30 01:48:36 <PhotoJim> :) good luck!
Apr 30 01:48:41 <set_> update to ni!
Apr 30 01:48:45 <set_> Thank you.
Apr 30 01:48:47 <set_> BBL!
Apr 30 01:48:50 <PhotoJim> enjoy!
Apr 30 02:32:19 <set_> PhotoJim: Sorry. I had to update and not cry. But, i did go to the store. Anyway, see you later.
Apr 30 02:37:12 <set_> If you get busy w/ that BBB, let this brother know!
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