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May 14 01:10:38 <set_> Outside of Halloween, this is the scariest day.
May 14 01:10:43 <set_> BBB of doom!
May 14 01:10:44 <set_> ha.
May 14 01:11:33 <set_> I am not sure if anyone likes video but Friday the 13th is a scary day. There are many films about this scary day.
May 14 01:11:47 <set_> So there. All for now!
May 14 01:56:18 <set_> Outside of that scary time I mentioned, I am building w/ crosstool-ng. It is neat so far. I cannot wait to get deeper in the book. Yocto and Buildroot are next!
May 14 01:56:49 <set_> And...Yocto has a beaglebone-yocto layer for building!
May 14 01:57:00 <set_> And...it works!
May 14 01:58:00 <set_> I lost my thoughts for about three hours during the build process, i.e. thinkin' it would not build correctly. It did. Yocto built correctly.
May 14 01:59:29 <set_> Funny thing, I thought I read five chapters. But...it was only three chapters. Ugh. Anyway...thanks to the BBB and future endeavors, I will be building and pitching in for a bit. More books!
May 14 02:00:57 <set_> Oh! And...
May 14 02:01:13 <set_> People are not over hardware yet. I promise. Hardware is still a thing.
May 14 02:03:26 <set_> So, I was looking at BGA sockets a while back...
May 14 02:03:55 <zmatt> that's already a mistake, BGAs are soldered, not socketed
May 14 02:04:03 <set_> I found Ironwood @ https://www.ironwoodelectronics.com/products/bga-sockets/ . I am not pluggin' them or selling for them or anything like those ideas.
May 14 02:04:19 <zmatt> BGA "sockets" are only used in very specialized applications
May 14 02:04:23 <set_> I just thought it would be cool to have a socket to use for the older...
May 14 02:04:25 <set_> Oh.
May 14 02:05:10 <set_> So, using it for a newer chip may not prove useful?
May 14 02:05:31 <zmatt> ????
May 14 02:05:34 <set_> I keep hearing about things to look out for currently.
May 14 02:06:02 <set_> New boards with different chips...at times in the forums, please bring up ideas.
May 14 02:06:07 <zmatt> the very small number of people who need a BGA socket already know they do
May 14 02:06:15 <set_> Oh.
May 14 02:06:17 <set_> Okay.
May 14 02:06:21 <set_> No issue.
May 14 02:06:33 <set_> I guess, like you say, people who need 'em know they need 'em.
May 14 02:06:36 <zmatt> they're very specialized, very expensive (note how that site you linked doesn't mention any prices)
May 14 02:06:51 <set_> I got a quote once from them. You are right.
May 14 02:06:58 <set_> Expensive.
May 14 02:07:20 <set_> But...useful!
May 14 02:07:56 <zmatt> in very unusual applications, yes
May 14 02:08:06 <set_> It would be neat to manage some hardware with a socket and then when the chip goes through its activities in time and dies, replacing the chip would be easy-peasey.
May 14 02:09:14 <set_> @zmatt: I will research more about the "unusual applications."
May 14 02:09:41 <zmatt> absolutely silly, it would be way too expensive and fragile
May 14 02:09:49 <set_> The price surprised me. I was expecting a socket of BGA type would not cost much.
May 14 02:09:50 <set_> Oh.
May 14 02:10:42 <set_> Like w/ what the people did w/ the OSD w/ built in eMMC, a BGA Socket could alter a man's life.
May 14 02:11:17 <set_> Fragile...
May 14 02:11:17 <zmatt> it really wouldn't, just replace the board
May 14 02:11:23 <set_> Fine.
May 14 02:11:25 <set_> Okay.
May 14 02:11:42 <set_> You must have went this route before this time?
May 14 02:11:47 <zmatt> no
May 14 02:11:52 <set_> Oh.
May 14 02:11:54 <zmatt> I understand what these things are, and aren't, for
May 14 02:12:24 <set_> Hmm...okay. Fine, so, I still need to learn about how to use them and why would I use them.
May 14 02:12:27 <set_> I get it.
May 14 02:12:47 <zmatt> normal socketed ICs have metal pins, which you can either solder or contact in whatever way you like, e.g. using a socket.  the bottom side of BGA has solder balls, they're meant to be soldered, nothing else
May 14 02:13:07 <set_> Oh. Okay.
May 14 02:13:12 <set_> I understand now.
May 14 02:14:47 <set_> So, what tool would be needed to handle such a job, e.g. solder to BGA to future expansion?
May 14 02:15:04 <zmatt> a case where you'd use these is if you have some sort of quality control testing that needs to be performed on random samples from a batch of BGAs
May 14 02:15:15 <set_> Oh.
May 14 02:16:12 <set_> That makes sense. To test each, separate BGA ball for quality is the basis for having a socket.
May 14 02:16:20 <zmatt> ???
May 14 02:16:22 <zmatt> what
May 14 02:16:30 <set_> Yes.
May 14 02:16:36 <set_> I paraphrased what you said!
May 14 02:16:52 <zmatt> no, you turned it into nonsense
May 14 02:16:57 <set_> Ha.
May 14 02:17:01 <set_> Fine.
May 14 02:17:07 <set_> I will calm down.
May 14 02:17:11 <set_> Sheesh.
May 14 02:18:09 <set_> nonsense or it being nonsensical does not make it a bogus statement.
May 14 02:18:21 <zmatt> I'm talking about testing BGA *chips* ... like, you'd need to be able to put each BGA you want to test in your expensive custom-built testing rig... obviously you're not going to do that by soldering and desoldering, you use a socket
May 14 02:18:44 <set_> Right. I get it. Okay.
May 14 02:19:43 <set_> Besides that idea, it is dark and Friday the 13th!
May 14 02:19:53 <set_> Someone close that freezer over there...
May 14 02:29:05 <set_> Look...I know the BBB is a technical marvel. I am not mistaken on this fact but setting the mood for Friday the 13th is needed at least once a year.
May 14 02:29:48 <set_> Now, that it is done and the mood is set, I can go back to testing w/ this new book!
May 14 02:30:03 <set_> Alone in the study.
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