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Feb 18 03:37:01 <peteru> Hello :-)
Feb 18 03:38:03 <peteru> It looks like my attempts to get a 1TB drive going on the DP-P1 won't get much further without the kernel source and a suitable toolchain. :-(
Feb 18 04:56:38 <rwhitby> peteru: howdy
Feb 18 04:57:08 <rwhitby> peteru: yeah, I'm going to work on toolchain first, then kernel second.
Feb 18 04:57:08 <peteru> How have you been?
Feb 18 04:58:01 <rwhitby> peteru: good thank.
Feb 18 04:58:04 <rwhitby> s
Feb 18 04:58:32 <rwhitby> working on toolchain first so we can get some optware packages running (like sshd for a start)
Feb 18 04:58:43 <peteru> The ide driver seems to be clipping the disk capacity to about 559.5GB
Feb 18 05:00:13 <peteru> The BWiz has no MMU and runs a 100 BogoMIPS ARM core, so it's a pretty tight environment. Mainly memory bus bandwidth limited, but the weak core does not help things.
Feb 18 05:01:12 <rwhitby> is it up to the task of dual HD record and single HD play, or is that past the limits?
Feb 18 05:01:26 <rwhitby> peteru: sent you a /msg privately - did you see it?
Feb 18 05:03:38 <rwhitby> BTW, Eric was here last night - he's Yuv422
Feb 18 05:06:21 <rwhitby> you've both got op privs on the channel
Feb 18 05:06:25 <peteru> It can cope with dual record and playback. I routinely record SD + HD and play back HD. I'm pretty sure that recording HD + HD and playing back HD also works, but I don't do that often enough to claim 100% reliability.
Feb 18 05:06:40 <peteru> Thanks.
Feb 18 06:05:00 <rwhitby> peteru: wizlinux.org ?
Feb 18 06:05:27 <rwhitby> openwiz.org ?
Feb 18 06:22:52 <peteru> farbeyonwiz.org :-)
Feb 18 06:25:50 <peteru> I like openwiz.org best. Easy to remember, easy to pronounce.
Feb 18 06:49:54 <rwhitby> peteru: I've just registered openwiz.org
Feb 18 06:58:16 <peteru> rwhitby: That's one thing I like about you - you don't piss about, you just get things done. ;-)
Feb 18 06:59:01 <rwhitby> peteru: do you have an nslu2-linux.org SSL cert?
Feb 18 06:59:32 <rwhitby> I'm discussing hosting with my infrastructure manager for the machines at OSUOSL right now :-)
Feb 18 06:59:51 <rwhitby> openwiz.org will probably end up in the same rack as master.kernel.org :-)
Feb 18 07:00:10 <peteru> Nope, I think I stopped being active when monotone keys were introduced and CVS was still in use.
Feb 18 07:00:27 <rwhitby> can you send me an email with:
Feb 18 07:00:57 <rwhitby> 1) Full Name (e.g. "Rod Whitby" - your preferred full name)
Feb 18 07:00:57 <rwhitby> 2) Country (e.g. "AU" for Australia - the two letter country code)
Feb 18 07:00:57 <rwhitby> 3) State (e.g. "South Australia" - your State or Principality)
Feb 18 07:00:57 <rwhitby> 4) Locality (e.g. "Adelaide" - your City or Town)
Feb 18 07:00:58 <rwhitby> 5) UserID (e.g. "rwhitby" - your preferred commit userid)
Feb 18 07:00:58 <rwhitby> 6) Email (e.g. "rod@whitby.id.au" - your preferred email)
Feb 18 07:01:15 <rwhitby> then I'll send you an SSL cert later tonight for trac and svn access
Feb 18 07:01:46 <rwhitby> peteru: how much disk space do you think we'll need?
Feb 18 07:02:35 <rwhitby> (we'll have a xen instance on a static IP on the nslu2-linux.org/nas-central.org machine at osuosl.
Feb 18 07:05:20 <peteru> The last track installation that I used for building a commercial PVR was running at about 2.5GB after 18 months of development. However, that was not based on a Sigma Design base or included too much binary stuff.
Feb 18 07:07:29 <peteru> s/track/Trac/
Feb 18 07:07:47 <rwhitby> server should be up within the hour - we'll have 15GB.
Feb 18 07:08:16 <peteru> I think 15GB should be enough to keep going for a while.
Feb 18 07:08:31 <rwhitby> it's Xen on a big disk, so we can extend later if needed.
Feb 18 07:08:40 <peteru> If space becomes an issue, we'll deal with it then.
Feb 18 07:09:13 <rwhitby> I'm thinking we use the Trac wiki for storing info?
Feb 18 07:09:20 <rwhitby> (rather than set up a mediawiki instance)
Feb 18 07:10:42 <peteru> Yes, the Trac wiki is good for cross referencing code and changesets, which is most likely to be of benefit to developers. If the project gets large enough to require a friendlier end-user wiki, we'll look into it then.
Feb 18 07:11:09 <rwhitby> yeah, the machine has many *.nas-central.org mediawikis on it, so adding one would be very quick.
Feb 18 07:11:35 <rwhitby> peteru: ubuntu-feisty ok?
Feb 18 07:11:42 <rwhitby> (you'll have dev access to the box)
Feb 18 07:11:59 <rwhitby> oh, make that edgy.
Feb 18 07:12:11 <peteru> I'd be happy with any non-redhat distro :-)
Feb 18 07:12:18 <rwhitby> ok, lets go for edgy
Feb 18 07:12:36 <rwhitby> (ka6sox has an instance of that lying around ready)
Feb 18 07:12:55 <peteru> Good - path of least resistance.
Feb 18 07:13:19 <rwhitby> peteru: also send me your ssh key
Feb 18 07:13:42 <rwhitby> we'll get tonymy01 set up on it too, so he doesn't have to use vmware :-)
Feb 18 07:17:20 <peteru> You should now have two email messages, one with the ssh key, the other with the details for the SSL cert
Feb 18 07:23:12 <rwhitby> got them, thanks.
Feb 18 07:23:35 <rwhitby> will email you back much later tonight after I've set up an OpenSSL CA and created some certs.
Feb 18 07:24:08 <rwhitby> I've invited eric and tony to do the same.
Feb 18 07:24:14 <rwhitby> anyone else I should invite?
Feb 18 07:25:39 <peteru> I'm wondering whether we should ask Steven Han from Beyonwiz to participate - he could put their kernel source into SVN (they use SVN internally at BWiz)
Feb 18 07:30:27 <rwhitby> Yuv422: hi
Feb 18 07:30:39 <Yuv422> Hi guys
Feb 18 07:30:58 <Yuv422> How's things?
Feb 18 07:31:03 <rwhitby> yep
Feb 18 07:31:06 <rwhitby> good
Feb 18 07:32:02 <rwhitby> Yuv422: you get my email request for info for ssl cert?
Feb 18 07:32:10 <Yuv422> yeah just reading it now
Feb 18 07:32:11 <Yuv422> thanks
Feb 18 07:32:27 <Yuv422> dsa?
Feb 18 07:32:40 <rwhitby> dsa or rsa2.  I use rsa2 myself.
Feb 18 07:33:14 <peteru> Hi Eric
Feb 18 07:33:22 <Yuv422> Hey Peter
Feb 18 07:33:36 <Yuv422> How's the hdd going?
Feb 18 07:33:41 <Yuv422> any progress?
Feb 18 07:34:17 <peteru> I was just saying to Rod that it may be worthwhile to invite Steve Han to check in the GPL code (in particular toolchain and kernel)
Feb 18 07:34:35 <Yuv422> yeah, sounds good to me
Feb 18 07:35:13 <peteru> The HDD hardware works fine and I can get a nice quiet, cool 1TB drive going. The problem is the kernel. It reports the HDD as 559.5GB
Feb 18 07:35:45 <peteru> I don't think there's much more I can do without either building my own kernel or waiting for BWiz to fix it and release a newer version.
Feb 18 07:36:59 <Yuv422> I've made another mod to the rc.sysinit on my wiz so I can run most of the boot sequence myself.
Feb 18 07:37:12 <Yuv422> I've been able to get startup logs from wizdvp
Feb 18 07:37:14 <peteru> Let's get the infrastructure set up and take it through a quick shakedown before we invite him. We want to make this as painless for him as possible, so that he does not have to use too many resources on supporting us.
Feb 18 07:38:11 <peteru> I'd be interested in finding out where the GPIO line 14 is routed. It looks like that if you ground that GPIO line, the BWiz comes up in dev/debug mode.
Feb 18 07:38:59 <rwhitby> peteru: agreed on infrastructure - should be ready within 24 hours if all goes well
Feb 18 07:39:05 <Yuv422> I put a multimeter on the 4 header pins
Feb 18 07:39:24 <Yuv422> it was gnd, +3.3 and +5
Feb 18 07:39:26 <Yuv422> from memory
Feb 18 07:39:59 <Yuv422> I'm not much chops when it comes to electronics though
Feb 18 07:40:16 <peteru> Logs are good, once Trac is setup, you'll have to document it on the wiki. I noticed that the BusyBox config is inconsistent. There are symlinks to things that are not compiled - like dmesg :-(
Feb 18 07:40:33 <Yuv422> yeah
Feb 18 07:40:45 <Yuv422> have you looked at /dev/mtd/0
Feb 18 07:40:55 <Yuv422> the bootloader
Feb 18 07:42:08 <peteru> I hooked up my serial converter from the SLUG hacking days to the first BWiz I had (after checking with a multimeter twice) and ended up with a pop and puff of magic blue smoke. Luckily it was the serial converter that blew, but I never managed to get anything out on that 4 pin header.
Feb 18 07:42:37 <peteru> I have not tried with the current BWiz - I am a bit apprehensive.
Feb 18 07:42:45 <Yuv422> yeah I put a uart to rs323 on it but no smoke
Feb 18 07:42:52 <Yuv422> no serial either though
Feb 18 07:44:49 <peteru> Do you know which bootloader they use?
Feb 18 07:44:58 <Yuv422> tango?
Feb 18 07:45:01 <Yuv422> not sure
Feb 18 07:45:16 <peteru> I like the "1234<ON>" trick. I wonder if there are other codes to try.
Feb 18 07:45:30 <rwhitby> Yuv422: you like the OpenWiz.org name?
Feb 18 07:45:38 <peteru> Ah, that would make sense. The BWiz is based on the MAMBO reference design.
Feb 18 07:45:40 <Yuv422> yeah sounds good to me
Feb 18 07:47:13 <peteru> Sigma Designs proprietary stuff means that there is probably not much scope for alterations, but if we can figure out how to make effective use of the bootloader, we'll be fine.
Feb 18 07:48:07 <peteru> I have not had time to see what "1234<ON>" does exactly, but I assume it tries to do  DHCP/tftp download of firmware.
Feb 18 07:48:30 <Yuv422> openwiz.org is easy to remember
Feb 18 07:48:42 <Yuv422> I had to 1234,on. my firmware once
Feb 18 07:48:49 <Yuv422> before I had my wiztools
Feb 18 07:48:50 <peteru> Easy to pronounce too.
Feb 18 07:49:11 <Yuv422> made a mistake making the header and was lest with a brick
Feb 18 07:49:16 <Yuv422> lest/left
Feb 18 07:49:59 <Yuv422> that was back when I was tinkering with the background image
Feb 18 07:51:50 <peteru> I unpacked the firmware and some of the binaries about a year ago - had a look and decided that given the promise of GPL release and API in the next month or two, I could wait.
Feb 18 07:52:26 <Yuv422> hopefully we don't have to wait another year for the code.
Feb 18 07:54:25 <peteru> I'm kind of hoping that people other than myself will ask for the GPL components. I have high hopes for Rod being successful in this department, he seems to be pretty good at dealing with such things.
Feb 18 07:55:11 <rwhitby> oh, the pressure ...
Feb 18 07:55:15 <Yuv422> yeah I don't know if I'm a very persuasive person :(
Feb 18 07:55:24 <Yuv422> it's all up to you Rod. :)
Feb 18 07:56:16 <rwhitby> I know some guys in gpl-violations.org ;-)
Feb 18 07:57:00 <peteru> It would be good to point Beyonwiz at the SLUG story and tell them that Linksys sold 300% more slugs as a result.
Feb 18 07:57:00 <Yuv422> ah k
Feb 18 07:57:21 <rwhitby> peteru: yeah, I have a stock email that I sent to Freecom regarding that.
Feb 18 07:57:25 <Yuv422> I'm hoping my wizremote might generate some interest from bw too
Feb 18 07:57:43 <peteru> gpl-violations is good for product being sold in EU.
Feb 18 07:58:02 <rwhitby> yeah, that would be last resort.  carrot before stick.
Feb 18 07:58:05 <peteru> Which nicely fits in with BWiz's plan to release in Europe any day now.
Feb 18 07:58:09 <Yuv422> the busybox guys take their licence seriously too
Feb 18 07:58:30 <peteru> Yeah, Harrald is the guy, isn't he?
Feb 18 07:59:22 <Yuv422> I'm currently looking into dump.dat
Feb 18 07:59:38 <Yuv422> it looks like that's where most of the gui magic happens
Feb 18 08:00:35 <Yuv422> any idea what bank0 is for?
Feb 18 08:00:56 <Yuv422> I was thinking it was a hole in the memory for wizdvp to use?
Feb 18 08:01:01 <Yuv422> maybe memory mapped
Feb 18 08:01:19 <peteru> I have not looked.
Feb 18 08:01:34 <Yuv422> bbl dinner
Feb 18 08:01:47 <peteru> Yuv422: What kind of hardware experience have you got?
Feb 18 08:01:52 <peteru> Amiga by any chance?
Feb 18 08:05:45 <rwhitby> ok, certs are done - server is almost there.  will set up trac and svn later tonight.
Feb 18 08:06:17 <rwhitby> tonymy01 has sent me details too
Feb 18 08:08:21 <rwhitby> anyone think of a good hostname for the server?  it will be cnamed to openwiz.org etc.
Feb 18 08:08:41 <rwhitby> wizdev?
Feb 18 08:11:18 <ka6sox-laptop> hi
Feb 18 08:13:48 <rwhitby> ka6sox manages the computers for nslu2-linux.org, nas-central.org and now openwiz.org :-)
Feb 18 08:15:15 <rwhitby> certs are emailed to peteru, efry and tonymy01
Feb 18 08:15:56 <rwhitby> install the ca.openwiz.org.crt into firefox certification authorities, and your .pfx file into your personal certs using the export password I sent you.
Feb 18 08:16:26 <rwhitby> the .pfx will also be used for svn command line for developers who don't have ssh access to the machine.
Feb 18 08:16:28 <peteru> Hi ka6sox-laptop. Long time no see on irc :-)
Feb 18 08:16:52 <ka6sox-laptop> ya...I've been hiding mostly playing with all the Xen boxen I have now...
Feb 18 08:17:06 <ka6sox-laptop> about 15 servers on 3 physical machines.
Feb 18 08:19:23 <peteru> I've been thinking about setting up a Xen machine - I'll need to add support for several distros in my job. The problem is, the product requires hardware accelerated OpenGL. VMware won't cut it, not sure about Xen or KVM.
Feb 18 08:19:37 <ka6sox-laptop> KVM might
Feb 18 08:19:39 <ka6sox-laptop> look at that.
Feb 18 08:25:01 <rwhitby> ka6sox-laptop: hostname - what's a good name for a place where a wizard lives?
Feb 18 08:25:07 <rwhitby> (e.g. LoR?)
Feb 18 08:25:44 <ka6sox-laptop> Gandalf lived everywhere
Feb 18 08:25:57 <ka6sox-laptop> Sauron lived in a Tower
Feb 18 08:26:14 <ka6sox-laptop> as did Saramoun
Feb 18 08:26:24 <ka6sox-laptop> Eisengaard
Feb 18 08:26:35 <peteru> Too hard to spell ;-)
Feb 18 08:27:04 <rwhitby> wizdev then :-)
Feb 18 08:27:06 <peteru> I always wanted a machine called doorstop ;-)
Feb 18 08:27:24 <peteru> or boatanchor
Feb 18 08:27:40 <rwhitby> this machine is definitely neither of those :-)
Feb 18 08:28:07 <rwhitby> gondar?
Feb 18 08:28:35 <peteru> what about spell ? something a wizard would cast.
Feb 18 08:29:12 <rwhitby> we'll only ever access it as svn.openwiz.org etc, so it's not a real big deal. the public will only see it in apache error reports :-)
Feb 18 08:29:15 <ka6sox-laptop> Gondor
Feb 18 08:29:26 <ka6sox-laptop> Helm's Deep is a good name :D
Feb 18 08:29:48 <peteru> being a virtual machine, it should be something non-physical
Feb 18 08:29:49 <rwhitby> shire?
Feb 18 08:30:01 <rwhitby> loreal
Feb 18 08:30:05 <peteru> magic
Feb 18 08:30:20 * rwhitby is looking at http://www.jimcalagon.supanet.com/guide.htm - I know nothing about LoR myself
Feb 18 08:30:55 <peteru> Harry Potter then?
Feb 18 08:31:04 <rwhitby> yeah, that would work too
Feb 18 08:31:11 <ka6sox-laptop> hogwarts
Feb 18 08:31:23 <rwhitby> done
Feb 18 08:31:47 <peteru> I'm not offended :-)
Feb 18 08:31:49 <rwhitby> the place where mere mortals come to learn how to be openwiz's
Feb 18 08:32:06 <peteru> OK, your explanation sold me.
Feb 18 08:36:58 <rwhitby> bbiab
Feb 18 08:38:19 <ka6sox-laptop> k
Feb 18 08:41:45 <peteru> I just realised that the Zensonic (Ziova) players are also based on the Sigma Design 826x chips and they do have a GPL compliance release. The only problem is that you have to have a serial number and both MAC addresses of a player before you get access to the GPL source.
Feb 18 08:42:24 <peteru> Mind you, they can not prevent anyone from redistributing the GPL source further.
Feb 18 08:57:40 <ka6sox-laptop> too bad none of these are in the US.
Feb 18 09:01:08 <rwhitby> peteru: know anyone with one?
Feb 18 09:01:10 <peteru> Well, there is hope. Beyonwiz are in Korea and they also use ATSC, so maybe one day... I know someone in Toronto who would be interested - apparently it should be possible to get US ATSC signal across the lake.
Feb 18 09:01:35 <peteru> rwhitby: No, I don't. :-(
Feb 18 09:02:18 <peteru> rwhitby: Ziova are in Adelaide - I seem to recall you planning to pay them a visit a few years ago.
Feb 18 09:02:39 <peteru> Then again, I could be imagining things.
Feb 18 09:41:33 <Yuv422> I was doing some research and found that mvix devices use rompkg too
Feb 18 09:41:53 <rwhitby> peteru: I was planning to, but never did.
Feb 18 09:42:06 <rwhitby> Yuv422: yeah, I saw that one too.
Feb 18 09:43:35 <Yuv422> Detected part at I2C device address 0x72: vendor 0x0001, device 9253, rev.0x03 (Silicon Image) (hardwares/dvi_hdmi.cpp:931)
Feb 18 09:44:05 <Yuv422> from the wizdvp boot
Feb 18 09:48:45 * peteru is off to BBQ some burgers...
Feb 18 09:52:12 <rwhitby> Yuv422: can you pastebin a full bootlog?
Feb 18 09:53:07 <Yuv422> I haven't used pastebin before but I can give it a go
Feb 18 09:54:38 <Yuv422> It's 2Meg would that be too large?
Feb 18 09:55:19 <rwhitby> 2MB bootlog? wow!
Feb 18 09:55:33 <Yuv422> thee PVR app can be very verbose
Feb 18 09:56:52 <rwhitby> how about just the first bit while it boots?
Feb 18 09:57:59 <Yuv422> do you know a good way to remove ansi colour markup
Feb 18 09:59:08 <rwhitby> nope, but don't worry about it
Feb 18 10:00:26 <rwhitby> pastebin.ca is a good one to use
Feb 18 10:00:32 <rwhitby> pastebin.com is always too slow
Feb 18 10:04:10 <Yuv422> I just get a white page for pastbin.ca
Feb 18 10:04:14 <Yuv422> +e
Feb 18 10:09:03 <Yuv422> http://pastebin.com/d71f05013
Feb 18 10:09:23 <rwhitby> thx
Feb 18 10:12:04 <Yuv422> wizdvp uses ctrace
Feb 18 10:12:43 <Yuv422> I just redirected the output from /dev/null to a file on /tmp then opened up all log levels on all threads
Feb 18 10:13:13 <Yuv422> I might have missed a bit in the gap between starting and resetting the log level
Feb 18 10:13:28 <Yuv422> not sure how I can fix that though
Feb 18 12:56:50 <peteru> Interesting, it looks like the size of the timeshift buffer may be configurable.
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Feb 18 20:43:12 <ka6sox-laptop> if only udev would cooperate
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