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Feb 06 16:38:07 <yonkeltron> hey, i was thinking about using enyo to build a simple tablet app for guests at my upcoming wedding
Feb 06 16:38:33 <yonkeltron> i was wondering if someone has an interest in discussing the differences between enyo 1 and 2
Feb 06 16:40:48 <yonkeltron> specifically, i was wondering about the UI components in enyo 2
Feb 06 16:51:54 <minegoZzZzZz> yonkeltron: The UI components for enyo 2 are not done yet
Feb 06 16:52:04 <minegoZzZzZz> yonkeltron: If you need this soon then you probably want to look at enyo 1
Feb 06 16:57:13 <yonkeltron> minego: gotcha. surely you get asked this loads but do you have any sort of timeline?
Feb 06 16:57:31 <yonkeltron> also, do the docs for enyo still apply to enyo 1?
Feb 06 16:58:16 <minego> minego: I'm just an app developer that writes apps with enyo, so I'm not really the one to ask
Feb 06 16:58:23 <minego> lol I just said that to myself. I'm tired
Feb 06 16:58:31 <yonkeltron> minego: understood!
Feb 06 16:58:35 <yonkeltron> get some rest, then
Feb 06 16:58:36 <minego> yonkeltron: There is a timeline on the website though
Feb 06 16:58:44 <minego> I just woke up... that's the problem.
Feb 06 16:59:29 <yonkeltron> ah it says in about a month
Feb 06 16:59:31 <yonkeltron> ok got it
Feb 06 16:59:36 <yonkeltron> maybe i should look at sencha touch then
Feb 06 16:59:44 <yonkeltron> they actually seem to have support for google maps
Feb 06 17:00:18 <minego> I've never used sencha so I can't say. I am a huge fan of enyo though.
Feb 06 17:00:24 <minego> What platform are you hoping to run this on?
Feb 06 17:01:01 <yonkeltron> i want to deliver it via ye old classic webbernet
Feb 06 17:01:25 <minego> You mentioned tablets though. Which tablets in particular?
Feb 06 17:01:33 <yonkeltron> whatever a guest might have
Feb 06 17:01:40 <yonkeltron> android and ios i suppose
Feb 06 17:02:26 <minego> enyo 1 works nicely in the browser for iOS. Most stuff works good on android too, but it isn't as smooth
Feb 06 17:02:35 <yonkeltron> interesting
Feb 06 17:02:45 <minego> bbiab, meeting
Feb 06 17:02:48 <yonkeltron> i do not need anything complicated
Feb 06 17:02:48 <yonkeltron> ok
Feb 06 17:10:59 <EricBlade> i can't get my app to work on Android at all
Feb 06 17:11:10 <yonkeltron> EricBlade: really?
Feb 06 17:11:13 <EricBlade> it was working, then I got it working again on webOS and it blew up
Feb 06 17:11:29 <EricBlade> when i came back to Android, I upgraded to phonegap 1.4.1, i'm not sure if that's related or not
Feb 06 17:11:42 <erupnu> EricBlade: should not be PhoneGap
Feb 06 17:12:06 <EricBlade> it logs into google voice, just as it should, and then the next request google sends me a mobile login page instead of the inbox
Feb 06 17:14:28 <yonkeltron> yeah i don't want/need phonegap
Feb 06 17:14:35 <yonkeltron> just want to deliver it via web
Feb 06 17:20:23 <EricBlade> i'm going to try the exact same code on iOS and see whath appens
Feb 06 17:35:46 <yonkeltron> if the docs work for enyo 1 then i might seriously consider that
Feb 06 17:42:38 <EricBlade> dammit. my Mac is refusing to respond to remote access attempts
Feb 06 17:45:04 <EricBlade> i really hate mac
Feb 06 17:49:29 <ka6sox> add cheese
Feb 06 17:57:02 <erupnu> it's done... first Enyo app on iOS: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flashcards-to-go/id497912529?ls=1&mt=8
Feb 06 17:58:08 <EricBlade> enyo on android feels like an alternate universe, this will be like even weirder
Feb 06 18:34:17 <yonkeltron> erupnu: mazel tov
Feb 06 18:34:33 <erupnu> yonkeltron: thanks
Feb 06 18:46:51 <EricBlade> ha. when you ask for info on a Windows share in Mac, it shows a preview image of an old CRT monitor with a blue-screen on it
Feb 06 18:50:18 <EricBlade> well i've just about had it with this amc
Feb 06 18:50:20 <EricBlade> *mac
Feb 06 18:51:12 <yonkeltron> EricBlade: there's this thing called linux
Feb 06 18:51:44 <EricBlade> which is much like a mac, but even less usable
Feb 06 18:52:07 <minego-afk> pfft. Linux isn't less usable. You just don't know how to use it.
Feb 06 18:53:00 <EricBlade> au contraire, i got really sick of using it about 8 years ago
Feb 06 18:53:33 <minego-afk> having used it doesn't prove you know how
Feb 06 18:53:34 <EricBlade> didn't touch it again until i got my netbook 2 years ago, and my touchpad this year.
Feb 06 18:53:54 * oilsworkn is running windows me
Feb 06 18:54:00 <minego-afk> lol
Feb 06 18:54:08 <yonkeltron> ha
Feb 06 18:54:19 <oilsworkn> thinking about upgrading to vista
Feb 06 18:54:28 <EricBlade> i've been using unix since i was 11, i'm reasonably certain i'm aware of how it works :)
Feb 06 18:54:30 <minego-afk> I'll agree that linux has a much higher learning curve, but is not the same thing as being less usable.
Feb 06 18:57:43 <EricBlade> i always seem to have hardware that isn't well supported in linux.  back in the day, it was telephone modems.  now it's multiple brands of video hardware.  sound has been a problem ever since people started making competing audio systems.
Feb 06 18:58:00 <yonkeltron> and yet linux has the broadest support of hardware of any OS
Feb 06 18:58:53 <EricBlade> yea if i wanted to dig out my old phillips cd-rom that didn't even get a windows 95 driver, i could run it
Feb 06 18:59:04 <oilsworkn> lol
Feb 06 18:59:35 <EricBlade> :) at least, that was true last time i built a kernel anyway. i couldn't believe they still had support for early 90's hardware in mainline
Feb 06 19:00:06 <yonkeltron> haha
Feb 06 19:00:41 <oilsworkn> its awesome you can get a dvd burner nowadays for like $15
Feb 06 19:00:58 <EricBlade> can't find any obvious way to run three or four monitors, though, two on nVidia, one or two on ATI.  lots of people tell me it won't work on any OS.. works fine in Windows.. and in the Ubuntu setup program
Feb 06 19:01:16 <EricBlade> as soon as you get out of the Ubuntu installer, though, NO VIDEO FOR YOU
Feb 06 19:01:27 <oilsworkn> i ran 3 monitors in win7
Feb 06 19:01:39 <halfhalo> thats due to window 7's gpu setup
Feb 06 19:01:46 <halfhalo> it can load multiple drivers at once
Feb 06 19:01:50 <oilsworkn> until one of them went out
Feb 06 19:02:24 <halfhalo> but now I drive three monitors off of a single ati card since it has the eyefiniti's, vs 2 off of almost any other card
Feb 06 19:02:53 <oilsworkn> i was using 2 nvidia cards
Feb 06 19:04:27 <halfhalo> two cards from the same manuf generally work since they use the same driver
Feb 06 19:05:10 <oilsworkn> yeah, they did
Feb 06 19:08:10 <yonkeltron> ok so will the docs on the main enyo site work for enyo 1 if i want to use the UI layer?
Feb 06 19:18:09 <Popple3> Hey guys
Feb 06 19:18:44 <Popple3> Anyone have any idea why Enyo 1.0 is trying to load framework/build/resources/en.json ? (That file doesn't exist in the downloaded zip)
Feb 06 19:21:09 <Popple3> (it's also trying to load en_ie.json and ie.json from the same folder...
Feb 06 19:21:11 <Popple3> )
Feb 06 19:22:13 <Popple3> I'm not actually sure if that's what's causing my crash ("TypeError: 'undefined' is not an object (evaluating 'a.enyo.windows')") though, it might be irrelevant... Google has failed me
Feb 06 19:24:57 <Popple3> Actually, it could very well be the fact that I haven't stripped out all the palm services yet...
Feb 06 19:45:18 <Popple3> Got it loading in Chrome, now just trying to get it to work in Ripple
Feb 06 19:50:52 <minego-afk> Popple3: I never got my enyo app working right in ripple but I did get it packaged with webworks and running nicely on the simulator and device
Feb 06 19:52:27 <minego-afk> Popple3: There are a lot of helpful people in #playbook-dev and #webworks-dev
Feb 06 19:57:21 <Popple3> minego-afk: Awesome thanks. I guess I'll just work away in Chrome for now and try it out on the sim.
Feb 06 19:58:06 <minego-afk> Popple3: cool
Feb 06 19:58:20 <minego-afk> Popple3: If it works in chrome you should be able to get it to work with webapps without much trouble
Feb 06 22:21:41 <EricBlade> anyone happen to have a copy of phonegap 1.3 they could send me?
Feb 06 22:45:43 <Popple3> Anyone ever have an issue (in Chrome, Enyo 1.0) where calling methods on enyo kinds just doesn't work, but logging the enyo kind out to the console does?
Feb 06 22:46:55 <Popple3> actually, logging the method gives undefined...
Feb 06 22:54:10 <Popple3> I stand corrected, the function does log to console...
Feb 06 23:09:22 <Popple3> Aha! Got it! :D
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