**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 07 02:59:58 2012
Feb 07 04:59:39 <PuffTheMagic> EricBlade, get anywhere with hybrid2?
Feb 07 06:01:12 <minego> weird, the app menu seems to make my app hang on the fire
Feb 07 06:02:10 <minego> It may be related to trying to do full screen though
Feb 07 06:02:54 <minego> oh it is!
Feb 07 06:03:09 <minego> If I am full screen and use the android menu button then the app hangs
Feb 07 06:03:12 <minego> grumble
Feb 07 06:04:32 <minego> Has anyone done a fullscreen app on android with phonegap?
Feb 07 06:08:57 <minego> woo hoo I got fullscreen working
Feb 07 06:09:08 <minego> http://wiki.phonegap.com/w/page/22863272/Hiding%20the%20status%20bar%20at%20the%20top%20in%20Android <-- The second method on that page worked
Feb 07 06:47:12 <EricBlade> PuffTheMagic: omg i completely forgot about that. i got completely buried in learning services and trying to crack Synergy
Feb 07 06:53:49 <minego> Does anyone else here have a kindle and want to try Solitaire Universe on it? I could use help beta testing.
Feb 07 06:58:35 <EricBlade> i only have cm7 and cm9
Feb 07 06:58:55 <minego> Sadly it isn't even worth playing on CM7 or CM9. It runs horribly slow.
Feb 07 07:04:04 <EricBlade> hmm. interesting. i just got to trying actual functions of gvoice on cm9, rather than just saying "ooh it works" ..  the "quick reply" input, first time you use it, duplicates itself about 40 pixels to the right .. and the standard reply popup box appears with a huge amount of dead space under it
Feb 07 07:04:20 <minego> weird
Feb 07 07:04:39 <minego> These are text inputs?
Feb 07 07:05:36 <minego> I have heard others complain about weird issues with text inputs
Feb 07 08:01:31 <EricBlade> when you focus a textinput, it apparently creates what looks like a similarly styled textinput on top of it, with a Z-order that puts it well above anything else
Feb 07 08:02:05 <EricBlade> god android is such a hack
Feb 07 08:04:09 <ka6sox> EricBlade, can I quote you on that?
Feb 07 08:04:22 <EricBlade> the latter or the former
Feb 07 08:04:44 <EricBlade> the former i'm not entirely certain of, but that's what it appears.  the latter, i'm reasonably certain of
Feb 07 08:04:58 <ka6sox> <EricBlade>	god android is such a hack
Feb 07 08:05:06 <EricBlade> you may
Feb 07 08:05:38 <ka6sox> ty
Feb 07 08:06:05 <ka6sox> bitbake eglibc-minimal-sato
Feb 07 08:06:10 <ka6sox> ugh
Feb 07 08:06:25 <ka6sox> focus should follow eyes
Feb 07 13:58:08 <burg> hello. how can i make a header that shows up over the other content when i click some element?
Feb 07 14:37:37 <yonkeltron> rwaldron: welcome.
Feb 07 14:40:42 <rwaldron> yonkeltron ahow matey!
Feb 07 14:40:45 <rwaldron> dammit
Feb 07 14:40:47 <rwaldron> ahoy*
Feb 07 14:40:49 <rwaldron> <3
Feb 07 14:41:11 <yonkeltron> ahoy hoy was originally proposed by bell as the standard greeting for the phone
Feb 07 14:41:15 <yonkeltron> hello won out, sadly
Feb 07 14:42:11 <rwaldron> I'm going to start using ahoy
Feb 07 14:42:26 <yonkeltron> not just ahoy
Feb 07 14:42:28 <yonkeltron> ahoy hoy
Feb 07 14:42:36 <yonkeltron> the extra hoy gives it so much more umph
Feb 07 14:42:56 <yonkeltron> thus allowing you to make jokes like "i was happy to see that person so i sprinkled a little extra hoy sauce on the hug"
Feb 07 15:38:33 <burg> hello. how can i create vertical sliding pane?
Feb 07 15:41:48 <burg> is that possible? i am using enyo 1.0 for webos under touchpad
Feb 07 15:57:51 <EricBlade1> i've never seen anything like that, but you could try adding a layoutKind="VLayoutKind" to it's definition
Feb 07 16:08:43 <burg> EricBlade1, maybe if i use jquery? can i accomplish that/
Feb 07 16:09:11 <EricBlade1> did you try making it vertical?
Feb 07 16:09:15 <EricBlade1> like i suggested?
Feb 07 16:10:12 <burg> trying it right now
Feb 07 16:14:24 <burg> EricBlade1, layoutKind: enyo.VLayoutKind ?
Feb 07 16:16:38 <burg> EricBlade1, not working
Feb 07 16:16:46 <EricBlade1> sorry
Feb 07 16:16:51 <EricBlade1> it's layoutKind: "VFlexLayout"
Feb 07 16:20:12 <burg> EricBlade1, still not working
Feb 07 16:20:25 <EricBlade1> guess it's not built for that
Feb 07 16:21:12 <EricBlade1> you have that in the SlidingPane definition not the SlidingView def right
Feb 07 16:21:56 <burg> yes
Feb 07 16:22:15 <EricBlade1> looks like you'll need to come up with your own for that
Feb 07 16:26:57 <minego> I'm uploading to the amazon store now. Wish me luck.
Feb 07 16:38:27 <Roy-Pre1011> Luck!
Feb 07 16:56:04 <minego> Roy-Pre1011: Thanks
Feb 07 19:45:20 <burg> can i use sqlite with enyo (read from sqlite file and use that info in my application)
Feb 07 19:46:05 <Roy-Pre1011> burg: Unless I don't understand some subtlety in your question then yes, you can.
Feb 07 19:47:23 <burg> Roy-Pre1011, i have a file: database.sqlite used in an ipad application. i want to port that application to touchpad and use the very same database (the same file). can i?
Feb 07 19:48:55 <burg> Roy-Pre1011, i ask because i can`t find proper documentation for that
Feb 07 19:51:35 <sugardave> you can't do that
Feb 07 19:51:44 <sugardave> no pre-populated dbs
Feb 07 19:52:03 <sugardave> you will have to export the data somehow and re-import it when your app launches
Feb 07 19:52:33 <Roy-Pre1011> Ah, yeah, as sugardave says, you can't preload the db.
Feb 07 19:54:19 <burg> then maybe other db? i need a lot of data in my app, how should i store it?
Feb 07 19:56:13 <Roy-Pre1011> You will have to do as sugardave says and either store it in a json file you import to sqlite or pull from a server initially.
Feb 07 19:57:40 <burg> so i can import .json , but i can`t import .sqlite ?
Feb 07 19:58:16 <sugardave> pretty much, yeah
Feb 07 19:58:36 <Roy-Pre1011> Yep, makes not much sense, but there you go.
Feb 07 20:14:30 <PatrickC> man, people keep requesting it, but itll be super hard to do :/
Feb 07 20:14:47 <PatrickC> thats talking about Project Macaw enyo
Feb 07 20:28:27 <minego> Just for the record. I am not working on Project Macaw enyo. I don't have time. I fully support Patrick (and anyone else interested) doing it though.
Feb 07 21:22:38 <EricBlade1> Roy-Pre1011: you can just eliminate part of that statement.  The part after "You will have to do as sugardave says."
Feb 07 21:24:11 <Roy-Pre1011> We all do as sugardave says.
Feb 07 21:25:00 <PatrickC> minego, yeah, i know :)
Feb 07 21:25:05 <PatrickC> thats where the problem lies..
Feb 07 21:25:09 <PatrickC> lol
Feb 07 21:59:14 <EricBlade1> that there are more twitter programs for webOS than other things seems weird.
Feb 07 22:49:38 <oilsworkn> lol
Feb 07 22:52:27 <PatrickC> EricBlade1, now that u mention it, there are quite a few
Feb 07 22:52:27 <PatrickC> lol
Feb 07 22:53:38 * oilsworkn stops working on oilsawesometwitterclient
Feb 07 22:55:35 <sugardave> what's really missing is the tweeting tip calculator
Feb 07 22:56:21 <sugardave> "I just tipped $1.00 on a $35.00 meal.  I'm a cheap bastard!"
Feb 07 22:56:58 <oilsworkn> lol
Feb 07 22:59:23 <EricBlade1> i've never used a tip calculator.
Feb 07 22:59:43 <Popple3> Hey guys
Feb 07 23:00:50 <oilsworkn> i usually just double the tax
Feb 07 23:00:59 <Popple3> Does anyone know why my onLoad method in my ApplicationEvents isn't triggering (in Chrome and PlayBook sim)
Feb 07 23:01:02 <Popple3> ?
Feb 07 23:03:35 <Popple3> if I do new Postie.Main().startupMethod(); it works (but then it messes up everything)
Feb 07 23:05:07 <Popple3> Actually, now that I think about it, I think I can get away without it
Feb 07 23:25:20 <PatrickC> EricBlade1, and yet another twitter client haha http://t.co/orQeLL50
Feb 07 23:25:30 <PatrickC> ^^ oilsworkn can see too :)
Feb 07 23:25:58 <EricBlade1> my guess is that's by someone that already did a twitter client
Feb 07 23:26:41 <PatrickC> that one has been in the works for a while
Feb 07 23:27:46 * EricBlade1 yawns. twitter. :|
Feb 07 23:27:54 <PatrickC> lol
Feb 07 23:30:36 <Popple3> Never mind, I can't do without it. Any ideas anyone?
Feb 07 23:32:49 <Popple3> Actually, would it be because I'm using the onload method on <body> to trigger the render?
Feb 07 23:35:05 <minego> Solitaire Universe is now live in the chrome web store: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/panaklddkchgikjdpgbggankigfjbgjk
Feb 07 23:45:41 <PatrickC> installed
Feb 07 23:45:58 <PatrickC> minego, i love the "panaklddkchgikjdpgbggankigfjbgjk" lol
Feb 07 23:46:29 <minego> that it the url google generated...
Feb 07 23:46:44 <PatrickC> lol
Feb 07 23:50:43 <minego> Please feel free to leave a positive review and RT the link :)
Feb 07 23:51:19 <Popple3> minego: How did you execute Enyo code on load? I've been trying the onLoad ApplicationEvent, and it's failing for some reason
Feb 07 23:51:43 <minego> Popple3: Do a view source on the app and look at my index.html
Feb 07 23:52:12 <Popple3> Yeah, I've looked at that, that's just the renderInto
Feb 07 23:52:43 <Popple3> then it clearly executes other code after it renders (the shuffle)
Feb 07 23:52:56 <minego> Yeah in the kind
Feb 07 23:53:14 <minego> Have you created your own enyo kind that you render into the body?
Feb 07 23:53:53 <Popple3> no, it's all standard Enyo controls
Feb 07 23:54:24 <minego> You'll want to create your own kind that contains those controls. In your kind you can set callbacks for various events such as create and rendered
Feb 07 23:55:08 <Popple3> I'm an idiot, I do have it all wrapped in my own kind
Feb 07 23:55:19 <minego> okay good
Feb 07 23:55:32 <Popple3> just override the rendered function?
Feb 07 23:55:39 <minego> So then just override the various functions in your kind
Feb 07 23:55:40 <minego> Yup
Feb 07 23:55:44 <Popple3> awesome
Feb 07 23:55:45 <Popple3> thanks
Feb 07 23:56:02 <Popple3> also, great work on Solitaire Universe
Feb 07 23:56:10 <Popple3> will rate it in a min, once I try this out
Feb 07 23:56:11 <minego> Make sure you call this: this.inherited(arguments); at the begining though
Feb 07 23:56:13 <minego> Thanks
Feb 07 23:57:44 <Popple3> Awesome, it worked :D Thanks for that minego
Feb 07 23:57:57 <minego> np, glad I could help
Feb 08 00:40:11 <PatrickC> hey minego, did u get my PM earlier? i think i sent it right before u went offline
Feb 08 00:41:01 <EricBlade1> hmm. google voice apparently issued a huge update for their app on android today
Feb 08 00:41:14 <PatrickC> how big? lol
Feb 08 00:41:25 <PatrickC> like "major overhaul" or "major bug fixes"?
Feb 08 00:41:39 <EricBlade1> don't know, but apparently it's no longer just a phone sized thing.  maybe it works in CM9 now
Feb 08 00:41:55 * PatrickC goes to download update
Feb 08 00:42:36 <EricBlade1> i really hate how the android keyboard is right shifted
Feb 08 00:42:48 <PatrickC> "right shifted"?
Feb 08 00:43:00 <PatrickC> shift key on the right?
Feb 08 00:43:05 <PatrickC> my xperia isnt like that
Feb 08 00:43:07 <EricBlade1> no the center is to the right
Feb 08 00:43:24 <PatrickC> ah
Feb 08 00:43:44 <PatrickC> again, my xperia isnt like that
Feb 08 00:43:50 <PatrickC> i think that is mostly ICS
Feb 08 00:44:02 <EricBlade1> i don't know if cm uses the google supplied keyboard or some other thing, but i really hate it
Feb 08 00:44:12 <PatrickC> i hate it too.. super big.
Feb 08 00:44:15 <EricBlade1> i hate it almost as much as i hate having to use android to begin with, and that's a lot
Feb 08 00:44:17 <PatrickC> thats what i love about webOS
Feb 08 00:44:20 <PatrickC> resizable keyboard
Feb 08 00:44:29 <EricBlade1> webos has a resizable keyboard?
Feb 08 00:44:34 <PatrickC> the vkb..
Feb 08 00:44:45 <PatrickC> u didnt know? lol
Feb 08 00:45:12 <EricBlade1> "Google Voice is requesting permission to Google Voice."
Feb 08 00:45:25 <EricBlade1> used as a noun and a verb.
Feb 08 00:45:39 <PatrickC> lol
Feb 08 00:46:01 <PatrickC> new UI is only for honeycomb and ICS :/
Feb 08 00:46:20 <EricBlade1> it's basically the old UI
Feb 08 00:46:36 <EricBlade1> except it has contact pictures and a star icon in the index view
Feb 08 00:46:40 <PatrickC> this is wayyyy faster on my phone
Feb 08 00:47:03 <EricBlade1> it doesn't even show the names that you've got defined for what phones to make calls with
Feb 08 00:47:07 <PatrickC> and a new icon :)
Feb 08 00:47:31 <EricBlade1> it does have nice parts that look better than the stock enyo ui
Feb 08 00:47:40 <EricBlade1> but other than that, gvoice i think, still kicks it's ass
Feb 08 00:47:49 <PatrickC> lol
Feb 08 00:48:02 <PatrickC> i want a google voice client that does VOIP
Feb 08 00:48:42 <EricBlade1> that you can find on android and ios
Feb 08 00:48:56 <PatrickC> youre missing the important one
Feb 08 00:48:58 <PatrickC> :)
Feb 08 00:49:07 * PatrickC hints to EricBlade1 
Feb 08 00:50:36 <EricBlade1> as far as i'm aware, we don't have the ability to access the things we'd need to access to do voip. or if we do, it's sure as hell not easy
Feb 08 00:51:33 <PatrickC> :/
Feb 08 00:52:07 <PatrickC> isnt there a VOIP client out?
Feb 08 00:53:49 <PatrickC> http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/linphone/
Feb 08 00:54:07 <EricBlade1> yeah it "works" on phones. i used it for a little while before i had service
Feb 08 00:55:44 * PatrickC bbl
Feb 08 00:55:50 <PatrickC> time to go shopping.. :/ lol
Feb 08 00:56:03 <EricBlade1> you can setup IPKall, which will let you accept incoming calls
Feb 08 00:56:08 <EricBlade1> then connect GVoice to use that
Feb 08 00:57:42 <PatrickC> EricBlade1, that sounds interesting
Feb 08 00:57:46 <PatrickC> ill talk to u about that later :)
Feb 08 00:57:47 <PatrickC> bbl
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