**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 08 02:59:57 2012
Feb 08 03:25:51 <EricBlade1> dammit, i want my app to run properly on Android too :(
Feb 08 03:26:02 <minego> I'm submitting to the blackberry store right now :) wee!
Feb 08 03:26:11 * EricBlade1 whines about everyone being cross platform but me
Feb 08 03:26:17 <minego> lol
Feb 08 03:26:25 <minego> no one runs well on android
Feb 08 03:27:41 <minego> I am so tired of editting screenshots and icons and shit
Feb 08 03:27:41 <EricBlade1> why does "Atari's Greatest Hits" need access to my phone and identity?
Feb 08 03:27:45 <minego> everyone wants different sizes
Feb 08 03:28:13 <minego> RIM wants an icon that is 480x480 but their screenshots have to be scaled down to 640xsomething
Feb 08 03:28:48 <EricBlade1> run your app in Chrome
Feb 08 03:28:54 <EricBlade1> scale it across 4 monitors
Feb 08 03:29:01 <EricBlade1> take screenshot, resize to taste
Feb 08 03:29:04 <EricBlade1> :)
Feb 08 03:29:15 <minego> lol
Feb 08 03:29:24 <minego> Well I try to do screenshots of the app on that OS
Feb 08 03:30:51 <EricBlade1> ok, i've had enough.  i need a task switcher for android that doesn't absolutely suck
Feb 08 03:31:22 <minego> there aren't any
Feb 08 03:36:40 <EricBlade1> they allow apps with no freaking screenshots?
Feb 08 03:38:39 <EricBlade1> great. i just replaced my really poor task manager with one that doesn't work at all
Feb 08 03:38:46 <EricBlade1> now wtf do i do
Feb 08 03:51:33 <EricBlade1> BOO YAH i figured out what broke my app in Android
Feb 08 03:52:01 <EricBlade1> the really stupid hack that i was using to allow webOS to be able to mark messages read .. turns out to be necessary in Android
Feb 08 03:52:36 <EricBlade1> Google won't let you into the desktop Voice site with CM7 unless you login to the mobile site first
Feb 08 04:02:24 <minego> oh?
Feb 08 04:02:47 <minego> I just finished submission of the playbook version
Feb 08 04:02:52 <minego> that was an ordeal hehe
Feb 08 04:10:51 <EricBlade1> i want to distribute on playbook.. but they don't want to give me one
Feb 08 04:12:03 <minego> why?
Feb 08 04:12:09 <minego> submit by the 13th and they'll give you one
Feb 08 04:16:16 <EricBlade1> ??
Feb 08 04:19:18 <minego> Serious
Feb 08 04:19:28 <minego> Do you not read the news?
Feb 08 04:20:04 <minego> http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/3/2767660/rim-free-blackberry-playbooks-android-developers
Feb 08 04:22:51 <minego> If you are going to do it then you should go register to be a vendor NOW
Feb 08 04:38:35 <EricBlade1> so i need to have an Android app out first?
Feb 08 04:48:54 <EricBlade1> http://ericbla.de/multiplatform-woot.jpg
Feb 08 04:49:48 <minego> no you can do a webworks app too
Feb 08 04:50:20 <minego> they expanded the offer to any app released for the playbook
Feb 08 04:50:28 <minego> and enyo apps convert to webworks really easily
Feb 08 04:54:03 <minego> okay I'm going to bed
Feb 08 04:54:15 <minego> night kiddies
Feb 08 05:25:49 <m0ngr31> does anyone have any experience getting enyo 1.0 working with blackberry webworks?
Feb 08 05:28:33 <m0ngr31> On this site: https://bdsc.webapps.blackberry.com/html5/documentation/ww_developing/porting_webos_apps_1952251_11.html it's telling me "onLoad, use the jQuery $(document).ready function"
Feb 08 05:28:39 <m0ngr31> how would I do that?
Feb 08 05:29:05 <PatrickC> minegoZzZzZz, ping?
Feb 08 05:29:08 <PatrickC> u awake?
Feb 08 05:32:54 <m0ngr31> rwhitby: can you tell me how I'd do this with phonegap? "For onLoad, use the jQuery $(document).ready function"
Feb 08 05:33:19 <rwhitby> m0ngr31: is there a reason why you're asking me in particular, rather than the channel?
Feb 08 05:33:54 <m0ngr31> rwhitby: i asked a few minutes ago, but it's kinda slow right now. late here in the states i guess. you jumped on after i asked
Feb 08 06:35:16 <sugardave> m0ngr31: that's telling you that rather than using an enyo.ApplicationEvents kind (presumably to catch onLoad or windowActivated) that it ain't going to work and you need to use jQuery's .ready() function on the document in question
Feb 08 06:36:01 <m0ngr31> sugardave: so it needs to look something like this right? http://pastebin.com/CW8JgZsU
Feb 08 06:37:03 <sugardave> without ever having done it myself, that looks reasonable
Feb 08 06:37:58 <sugardave> oh wait wait
Feb 08 06:38:03 <sugardave> I saw the last line
Feb 08 06:38:49 <sugardave> m0ngr31: you shouldn't need that onlooad handler for the body
Feb 08 06:39:17 <m0ngr31> yeah, i just tried it without... it's working great in chrome, but the playbook emulator won't pull it up
Feb 08 06:39:58 <sugardave> m0ngr31: well crap...I don't know more :)
Feb 08 06:40:15 <m0ngr31> haha, i'll have to keep tinkering with it i guess
Feb 08 06:42:20 <EricBlade1> m0ngr31: i'm playing with the playbook emulator thingee too.. can't seem to find anywhere where it logs output, though.
Feb 08 06:42:27 <EricBlade1> all i'm finding is the fake webserver log
Feb 08 06:42:30 <EricBlade1> which is pretty useless
Feb 08 06:42:39 <m0ngr31> yeah, i can't even get the fake webserver log :\
Feb 08 06:43:04 <EricBlade1> if you're on windows it's in your User folder\Temp
Feb 08 06:44:45 <m0ngr31> oh wow nice. too bad it's filled with garbage...
Feb 08 06:46:56 <EricBlade1> yeh it looks useless.
Feb 08 06:47:11 <EricBlade1> there's an option for a "Remote Web Inspector" which looks like you can connect a browser to it, much like Weinre for PhoneGap
Feb 08 06:47:15 <EricBlade1> except it doesn't seem to do anything
Feb 08 06:47:27 <m0ngr31> yeah, i'm not having any luck with that either
Feb 08 06:48:59 <EricBlade1> no another page indicates that that's only when deploying to a device
Feb 08 06:49:30 <EricBlade1> ok, well, all i can get from the webserver log, is that it appears to be loading at least most of my files? usually?
Feb 08 06:50:13 <m0ngr31> are you trying to make it work with an enyo app?
Feb 08 06:50:24 <EricBlade1> yeah. ahh.. i can hit it's webserver from Chrome directly
Feb 08 06:50:36 <EricBlade1> still not useful for giving me reality, but it's at least an approximation
Feb 08 06:51:32 <m0ngr31> what ip and port are you using?
Feb 08 06:51:47 <EricBlade1> localhost:9900/appdir/
Feb 08 06:51:47 <m0ngr31> can you get your enyo app to even load?
Feb 08 06:51:53 <EricBlade1> er.. localhost:9900/appdir/index.html
Feb 08 06:52:02 <m0ngr31> mine pulls up fine in the browser, but not as an app
Feb 08 06:52:05 <EricBlade1> you haven't got it loading files yet?
Feb 08 06:52:21 <EricBlade1> https://bdsc.webapps.blackberry.com/html5/documentation/ww_developing/accessing_a_local_project_in_ripple_1948645_11.html
Feb 08 06:53:21 <m0ngr31> i haven't been using ripple
Feb 08 06:53:35 <m0ngr31> i've been using the actual emulator in vmware
Feb 08 06:57:36 <EricBlade1> oh
Feb 08 06:57:53 <EricBlade1> in that case, i'd guess that the actual emulator the remote web inspector thing would work
Feb 08 06:58:17 <EricBlade1> something about enabling it with a -d or was it -r to the packager, and then connecting to the blackberry IP:1337
Feb 08 06:58:40 <EricBlade1> ok i've got it running in Chrome thru the Ripple server, but still not running in Ripple. I think I'm out of ideas
Feb 08 06:59:49 <EricBlade1> i've got my white screen turning to grey, and then blah
Feb 08 07:01:30 <m0ngr31> are you using the ripple chrome extension or the actual program you downloaded from RIM?
Feb 08 07:01:45 <EricBlade1> the actual program
Feb 08 07:02:35 <m0ngr31> yeah, i don't even know how to load my app into that
Feb 08 07:03:51 <EricBlade1> that was the page i linked above
Feb 08 07:07:10 <m0ngr31> yup, i'm special
Feb 08 07:07:56 <sugardave> he's not here, but I'll throw swisstomcat under the bus as a likely person of know-how
Feb 08 07:14:10 <EricBlade1> if i had the time to dig through all of the source code that i'd need to dig through to learn everything i need to know that isn't documented about things, i'd .. uh.. have a lot more time.  and a lot more knowledge.
Feb 08 07:14:55 <m0ngr31> Looks like it's getting stuck on this: enyo-build.js:6220 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'manager' of undefined
Feb 08 07:15:40 <EricBlade1> how did you find that
Feb 08 07:15:49 <m0ngr31> and this: event.layerX and event.layerY are broken and deprecated in WebKit. They will be removed from the engine in the near future.
Feb 08 07:16:26 <m0ngr31> loaded my url into chrome and fired up inspect element and then console
Feb 08 07:18:01 <EricBlade1> are you also using jquery? i see that error referenced a lot regarding jquery ..
Feb 08 07:18:09 <EricBlade1> i am not, however, getting that errori n Chrome on my app
Feb 08 07:18:53 <m0ngr31> i have jquery loaded because of this: https://bdsc.webapps.blackberry.com/html5/documentation/ww_developing/porting_webos_apps_1952251_11.html
Feb 08 07:19:33 <EricBlade1> yeah the warning is from jQuery, apparently it's fixed in jQuery 1.7
Feb 08 07:20:20 <EricBlade1> i wouldn't think that any of that document applies if you're trying to port an enyo app with real enyo
Feb 08 07:21:05 <EricBlade1> do you have PhoneGap loaded ?
Feb 08 07:21:22 <m0ngr31> yeah
Feb 08 07:21:32 <m0ngr31> and using enyo 1.0
Feb 08 07:21:40 <m0ngr31> i'm guessing that's real enyo? lol
Feb 08 07:23:24 <EricBlade1> yeah real enyo as opposed to attempting to follow their guidelines to convert enyo back to html/js
Feb 08 07:23:39 <EricBlade1> hmm. i didn't try loading PhoneGap here, I figured i'd try with straight enyo first
Feb 08 07:23:52 <m0ngr31> does yours work?
Feb 08 07:24:07 <EricBlade1> i can see it loading all my files, but i just get a grey screen
Feb 08 07:24:16 <EricBlade1> so i assume it's dying somewhere inside my app and before it displays
Feb 08 07:24:35 <m0ngr31> yeah same here
Feb 08 07:24:40 <m0ngr31> driving me bonkers
Feb 08 07:25:43 <EricBlade1> there's got to be a way somewhere to see the console log for Ripple, if not, that's just terrible
Feb 08 07:25:58 <EricBlade1> i've tweeted that out maybe i'll ahve a response when i wake up.  i'm going to bed now thuogh
Feb 08 07:26:49 <m0ngr31> are you on precentral or anything? i'd be curious to hear if you find out what to do
Feb 08 07:28:45 <EricBlade1> i'm eblade
Feb 08 07:29:13 <sugardave> there's no console log?
Feb 08 07:29:18 <EricBlade1> wow, ok, i think my problem with a huge extra bunch of whitespace opening up under a popup in android, is because it's creating enough space for the keyboard .. but not opening the keyboard.
Feb 08 07:39:47 <m0ngr31> sorry if i missed something. this webchat.freenode.net kinda sucks sometimes and just kicks me out without telling me
Feb 08 07:40:00 <m0ngr31> i just noticed this error too: Uncaught Oop.js: Failed to find a constructor for kind [Toolbar]
Feb 08 08:37:09 <burg> EricBlade1, i managed to make what i wanted with a drawer instead of vertical sliding pane
Feb 08 08:38:04 <burg> anyway, the drawer toggle animation is pretty smooth on google chrome, but almost no animation at all when i install as application on hp touchpad (webos 3.0.5)
Feb 08 10:48:04 <burg> hello. how can i ignore enyo css and use only my own css?
Feb 08 14:07:06 <burg> what is the best way to prepopulate my database for use with enyo in webos application? i currently have it as .sqlite file
Feb 08 14:10:12 <EricBlade1> burg: use the className attribute on things
Feb 08 14:10:29 <EricBlade1> as far as sql, you'll need to run a sql statement for each entry in the database
Feb 08 14:12:12 <burg> EricBlade1, i have a database with about 1000 entries that i need to use in my application. all application is based on that data. but it seems that enyo can`t read .sqlite files
Feb 08 14:21:42 <EricBlade1> enyo is javascript, javascript doesn't have any way to read files
Feb 08 14:23:19 <EricBlade1> now, what you have is the actual datafile for a database, but what you actually need are the commands to rebuild it, i don't know if sqlite has any way of getting that or not
Feb 08 14:23:58 <EricBlade1> well, i assume that you're working in webos
Feb 08 14:24:05 <EricBlade1> i shouldn't assume that
Feb 08 14:26:02 <EricBlade1> oh yeah i guess i can you said you were doing webos above
Feb 08 14:30:33 <burg> EricBlade1, yes, i am working in webos. i just found this component: https://github.com/onecrayon/database-webos/blob/master/javascripts/database-enyo.js , i only need now to export .sqlite as .json
Feb 08 14:46:56 <swisstomcat> hey
Feb 08 15:04:54 <burg> is it possible to also create a nodejs service that queries sqlite, and make my enyo app use that service for sqlite data retrieval?
Feb 08 15:15:10 <swisstomcat> hi burg
Feb 08 15:15:32 <burg> hello swisstomcat
Feb 08 15:15:37 <swisstomcat> enyo 1 already has stuff to access webSQL databases .. is this what you need?
Feb 08 15:16:36 <burg> swisstomcat, i have a sqlite database and i want to use it with my app. but it seems that i can`t populate websql from .sqlite file
Feb 08 15:17:12 <swisstomcat> oh, i see
Feb 08 15:17:14 <swisstomcat> hmm
Feb 08 15:17:28 <swisstomcat> is this for enyo on webOS or enyo cross-platform?
Feb 08 15:18:29 <burg> enyo for webos application
Feb 08 15:19:39 <swisstomcat> you could create a nodejs service that opens and reads the .sqllite file and then fills the webSQL database?
Feb 08 15:19:46 <swisstomcat> at first start
Feb 08 15:21:00 <burg> swisstomcat, i`ve found a component which populates the database from .json file ( https://github.com/onecrayon/database-webos/blob/master/javascripts/database-enyo.js ) , but my database has a few thousand entries, and i don`t have any tool to convert it to that format
Feb 08 15:21:25 <swisstomcat> let me have a look
Feb 08 15:23:03 <swisstomcat> hmm, that could work too
Feb 08 15:23:21 <swisstomcat> how does a .sqllite file look? is it binary?
Feb 08 15:24:27 <burg> swisstomcat, it is not plain text. and i can only export it to sql or csv
Feb 08 15:39:16 <burg> swisstomcat, any idea?
Feb 08 15:49:03 <swisstomcat> sql seems like a good idea
Feb 08 15:49:15 <swisstomcat> and then mass-insert those statements
Feb 08 16:49:31 <sugardave> I'm telling you, you can't use a prepoulated db....so you have to export that data first, then import it on first-run...now if you have a node module that will read sqlite, that will help immensely
Feb 08 17:29:46 * minego yawns
Feb 08 17:40:40 <burg> sugardave, i managed to export sqlite to json using php, now i`ll try to import that json on first-run
Feb 08 17:43:28 <Popple3> Anyone ever have any issues with RichText inside a Scroller? While I'm typing, the scroller always jumps to the top of the RichText
Feb 08 17:45:14 * halfhalo blames Tibfib_ for cross platform sdl message
Feb 08 17:59:00 <sugardave> burg: sweet
Feb 08 19:02:56 <EricBlade1> anyone work with Blackberry ripple?
Feb 08 19:04:09 <minego-afk> EricBlade1: I never got it to work. It crashed for me every time... I've heard others say it doesn't work for enyo apps...
Feb 08 19:04:12 <minego-afk> EricBlade1: No idea why though
Feb 08 19:04:47 <minego> EricBlade1: If I recall swisstomcat talked to the author of ripple a few days ago about it. He might know more.
Feb 08 19:04:59 <EricBlade1> i've got it loading fine, but i can't find anywhere that it would be logging what's happening on the javascript side
Feb 08 19:05:07 <EricBlade1> so i don't know why it's not displaying anything
Feb 08 19:05:13 <swisstomcat> hey ericblade
Feb 08 19:05:19 <EricBlade1> hey swisstomcat
Feb 08 19:05:21 <swisstomcat> enyo1 doesn't seem to work with Ripple
Feb 08 19:05:27 <swisstomcat> enyo 2 seems to work
Feb 08 19:05:37 <minego> EricBlade1: I did most of my testing in the playbook browser
Feb 08 19:05:44 <swisstomcat> i had a chat with dan (who made it) and he's trying to look at it
Feb 08 19:05:51 <minego> EricBlade: You can turn on the inspector for the browser which lets you debug
Feb 08 19:06:20 <EricBlade> swisstomcat: do you know if / where we can see the javascript log?
Feb 08 19:06:43 <EricBlade> minego: it looked like that was only when running in an actual device, or possibly on an emu ..
Feb 08 19:07:13 <minego> EricBlade: You can use the inspector on the simulator
Feb 08 19:07:36 <minego> EricBlade: You have to set a device password (in system settings under security if I remember right) and then turn it on in the browser settings.
Feb 08 19:08:02 <swisstomcat> ericblade: call the inspector ctrl-f7 or something?
Feb 08 19:08:05 <minego> EricBlade: You have to turn it on each time you launch the browser. I had problems using the inspector in chrome or firefox though. I ended up using it in the playbook browser.
Feb 08 19:08:08 <swisstomcat> ripple is more or less chrome
Feb 08 19:09:20 <EricBlade> ok, let's get our terms straight here. :D
Feb 08 19:09:47 <EricBlade> i've got Ripple open. I've got remote inspector turned on in it.  Can I talk to it ? or do I need to run VMWare with the Playbook simulatro
Feb 08 19:09:50 <EricBlade> emulator
Feb 08 19:09:53 <sugardave> see?  I told you swisstomcat would know this stuff
Feb 08 19:10:45 <minego-afk> EricBlade: No one has successfully used enyo 1.0 with Ripple. It doesn't render and for some of us it crashes.
Feb 08 19:11:09 <minego-afk> EricBlade: My method of debugging was using the VMWare image. I had more luck doing that.
Feb 08 19:11:20 <EricBlade> ok, fine, i still want to know how to see the log in Ripple though
Feb 08 19:11:23 <EricBlade> if that's possible
Feb 08 19:11:38 <minego-afk> I don't know. I never got far enough with Ripple to figure that out.
Feb 08 19:11:51 <minego-afk> EricBlade: If you do make any progress with ripple I'd love to hear about it.
Feb 08 19:12:17 <swisstomcat> minego: i've talked to dan and he will look into it
Feb 08 19:12:26 <minego-afk> swisstomcat: cool thanks
Feb 08 19:12:39 <minego-afk> swisstomcat: I'm actually okay without ripple, but it would be nice to have it working
Feb 08 19:12:55 <swisstomcat> ericblade: not the remote inspector, the "normal" chrome inspector, which also shows the console log
Feb 08 19:13:29 <EricBlade> after you suggested that i tried every shortcut key i knew from chrome, and nothing happened
Feb 08 19:13:30 <swisstomcat> minego: we also talked about extending to get proper webos support (api + phone/tablet graphic templates)
Feb 08 19:13:42 <swisstomcat> it should work tho ...
Feb 08 19:13:58 <minego> swisstomcat: Oh really? That's an interesting idea.
Feb 08 19:14:07 <swisstomcat> it's open source
Feb 08 19:14:13 <minego> Nice. I didn't realize that.
Feb 08 19:14:26 <EricBlade> hmm. i found a spot where ifi  right click, slight to the left and above the screen, i get an "INSPECT" menu
Feb 08 19:14:28 <swisstomcat> his company (tinyhippos) got aquired by rim
Feb 08 19:14:34 <swisstomcat> ah, that's the one!
Feb 08 19:15:09 <minego> swisstomcat: Ah nice. I didn't realize it was written by a seperate company. Sounds like a good deal for him.
Feb 08 19:15:24 <EricBlade> TypeError: 'undefined' is not an object (evaluating 'a.enyo.windows') enyo-build.js:6228
Feb 08 19:15:29 <swisstomcat> yep
Feb 08 19:15:37 <swisstomcat> that's the usual enyo1 error we got
Feb 08 19:15:40 <EricBlade> alrighty! let's have a look.
Feb 08 19:15:45 <swisstomcat> enyo2 works tho
Feb 08 19:20:01 <EricBlade> ok, so, getRootWindow() is failing
Feb 08 19:23:22 <EricBlade> hmm
Feb 08 19:24:06 <EricBlade> ok, return a.setTimeout || (a = window), a;   ... what is that doing
Feb 08 19:25:21 <EricBlade> ok whatever it's donig it is returning a dom window
Feb 08 19:26:45 <EricBlade> so the problem is that the window returned by getRootWindow() doesn't have an enyo object
Feb 08 19:27:28 <EricBlade> can we safely assume that if there is no window.enyo, then we should assign this enyo object to it?
Feb 08 19:28:19 * sugardave waits for it.
Feb 08 19:31:33 <EricBlade> BAM! I'm in
Feb 08 19:32:11 <sugardave> woohoo!
Feb 08 19:34:49 <EricBlade> http://forums.enyojs.com/discussion/83/getting-enyo-1-0-up-in-the-ripple-blackberry-emulator
Feb 08 19:35:04 <minego> EricBlade: awesome
Feb 08 19:36:36 <EricBlade> hooray! i'm useful!  (V) (;,,;) (V)
Feb 08 19:36:56 <minego> haha
Feb 08 19:38:55 <EricBlade> and it seems to work just as well as webOS except for some icon paths.  not using phonegap, either
Feb 08 19:39:06 <EricBlade> and Ripple is -extremely- slow
Feb 08 19:43:20 <EricBlade> ok, looks like i need a menu button, and then this is ready to ship.
Feb 08 19:43:21 <EricBlade> amazing.
Feb 08 19:44:48 <EricBlade> ok the scrolling is even touchier with the click events passing through than it is on android. ugh.
Feb 08 19:51:55 <EricBlade> the downside of being multiplatform: suddenly your testing time goes through teh ROOF
Feb 08 19:52:48 <minego> Yup
Feb 08 19:53:18 <EricBlade> i need to write a script that can deploy to everything. somehow
Feb 08 19:57:48 <minego> lol
Feb 08 19:58:17 <minego> I've managed to create a set of Makefiles that I can use to build for all platforms from the command line, but I can't build for blackberry on linux so I have to use 2 machines ... :(
Feb 08 20:02:02 <swisstomcat> cheers, ericblade
Feb 08 20:02:13 <swisstomcat> i'll forward that to dan
Feb 08 20:03:20 <EricBlade> i have a single button, that every time i click it, it's click event gets called twice
Feb 08 20:03:53 <sugardave> is one for ontouchstart and one for onclick?
Feb 08 20:04:30 <EricBlade> { name: "contactsButton", kind: "ToolButton", icon: (!window.PalmSystem) ? "mainApp/images/contacts2.png" : "images/contacts2.png",/*caption: "Contacts",*/ onclick: "openContactsView", disabled: true },
Feb 08 20:05:40 <sugardave> oh I see...hmmm
Feb 08 20:06:10 <EricBlade> the first time, I get an "Object" that looks like an event
Feb 08 20:06:21 <EricBlade> the second time I get a "MouseEvent"
Feb 08 20:08:06 <EricBlade> in webOS i just get a single MouseEvent
Feb 08 20:12:11 <EricBlade> ... and in Android, I get a "Object"
Feb 08 20:12:16 <EricBlade> without the "MouseEvent"
Feb 08 20:12:30 <EricBlade> cute.
Feb 08 20:28:01 <PuffTheMagic> EricBlade, i've seen that
Feb 08 20:28:10 <PuffTheMagic> it happens when you have function name conflicts
Feb 08 20:28:39 <PuffTheMagic> if I understand the issue
Feb 08 20:29:19 <PuffTheMagic> oops
Feb 08 20:29:23 <PuffTheMagic> didnt read everything
Feb 08 20:29:25 <PuffTheMagic> ignore me :D
Feb 08 20:41:33 <EricBlade> all the buttons in my About box are getting that
Feb 08 21:17:59 <EricBlade> this.log(thing); > Object.  thing.something = true; > not an object
Feb 08 21:25:17 <EricBlade> well looks like Playbook will be the first place i get full function on.  gosh-dang, it's slow in this ripple thing though
Feb 08 21:30:43 <minego> EricBlade: Why not use the simulator? It is relatively quick.
Feb 08 21:32:53 <EricBlade> i haven't figured out how to start the simulator yet
Feb 08 21:34:09 <minego> Just install vmware player and open it with that
Feb 08 21:45:05 <EricBlade> well i think i see why things are slow perhaps.  i've got 8gigs of ram, and according to windows, i'm using all of it.
Feb 08 22:14:04 <Popple3> Gonna ask this one more time in the hope that someone, anyone, might know what to do :/
Feb 08 22:14:04 <Popple3> Anyone ever have any issues with RichText inside a Scroller? While I'm typing, the scroller always jumps to the top of the RichText.
Feb 08 22:14:48 <Popple3> It's driving me crazy at this point :(
Feb 08 22:18:20 <Popple3> back in a sec, need to restart Chrome
Feb 08 22:24:16 <Popple3> any epiphanies in the 20 secs I was gone? :P
Feb 08 22:24:26 <minego> Popple3: Yes, many of them.
Feb 08 22:25:08 <Popple3> minego: I should have specified, any epiphanies related to my issue ;)
Feb 08 22:26:04 <Popple3> It's the only thing stopping me from submitting the app right now :(
Feb 08 22:26:27 <minego> no, no one said anything while you where gone
Feb 08 22:26:31 <sugardave> Popple3: you could take the drastic nuclear option and manually keep the scroller from scrolling after the text field focuses and change it back on blur
Feb 08 22:26:52 <sugardave> maybe
Feb 08 22:27:53 <Popple3> sugardave: Not really an option. I need to allow the user to scroll the RichText
Feb 08 22:28:18 <EricBlade> i have a really strong feeling that i'm going to get these into "working" status on platforms, and then re-write the whole thing for enyo 2 ui
Feb 08 22:28:29 <sugardave> Popple3: ah, well yeah that's right out
Feb 08 22:29:01 <sugardave> EricBlade: it's like practice
Feb 08 22:29:46 <Popple3> I tried manually doing scrolling whenever I added/removed a new line to the RichText, which works fine(ish), until the RichText gets bigger than the scroller, then it keeps jumping to the top of the RichText
Feb 08 22:31:22 <Popple3> I actually don't even need rich text input, I just need multiline
Feb 08 22:32:16 <EricBlade> i think there's so much stuff that might've got tweaked in enyo to support the webOS webkit and the webOS webkit to support enyo, that trying to mash some enyo 1.0 things is just not going to work out well
Feb 08 22:32:28 <sugardave> hmmm, can you detect when the RichText grow?  maybe scroll to the end on the scroller?
Feb 08 22:32:52 <EricBlade> popple, there's been a lot of richtext talk on the enyojs.com forum
Feb 08 22:33:23 <Popple3> sugardave: That's basically what I was doing, but once the RichText gets bigger than the scroller, it keeps jumping back to the top after scrolling to the bottom
Feb 08 22:33:31 <Popple3> EricBlade: I'll check it out now, thanks
Feb 08 22:34:31 <Popple3> Sounds like what I'm looking for: http://pastebin.com/kV7LMRs6
Feb 08 22:35:27 <Popple3> I can't believe I don't already know this, but to include custom kinds like that, do I just put it in a js file and add it to depends.js?
Feb 08 22:36:24 <sugardave> yeah
Feb 08 22:37:18 * EricBlade chuckles. RIMs apps on their own app "world" all have 1-3 star ratings and bad reviews
Feb 08 22:38:59 <minego> really? lol
Feb 08 22:39:29 <EricBlade> on the rare occasions when HP releases a webOS app it gets 3 stars just for being there
Feb 08 22:39:58 <EricBlade> on the bright side they have plenty of VoIP apps
Feb 08 22:42:45 <Popple3> Well, that has the exact same issue :(
Feb 08 23:05:57 <Popple3> I has an idea...
Feb 08 23:20:38 <Popple3> Anyone know how I'd stop touch events on a textarea from passing through to the scroller?
Feb 08 23:21:07 <Popple3> was hoping it'd be as simple as event.stopPropagation(), but that doesn't seem to be the case
Feb 08 23:23:01 <PuffTheMagic> EricBlade, ping
Feb 08 23:24:10 <PuffTheMagic> Popple3, cancel bubble
Feb 08 23:26:39 <Popple3> PuffTheMagic: Is that Enyo specific? Doesn't stopPropagation do that?
Feb 08 23:29:16 <PuffTheMagic> same thing
Feb 08 23:35:59 <Popple3> PuffTheMagic: neither seem to do anything in both ontouchmove and onmousemove...
Feb 08 23:36:08 <Popple3> :/
Feb 08 23:49:01 <Popple3> I've just thought of a very easy solution to my issue. Just have separate tabs for details, and another for the post body
Feb 08 23:49:18 <Popple3> Why couldn't I have thought of that a few hours ago
Feb 08 23:49:19 <Popple3> ?
Feb 08 23:56:12 <sugardave> dain bramage?
Feb 09 00:03:23 <wrea> lol
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Feb 09 00:12:24 <Popple3> in your root Enyo kind, you can specify a function called rendered that will be run when the app first renders
Feb 09 00:12:43 <Popple3> make sure to call this.inherited(arguments); at the start of that function
Feb 09 00:12:56 <Popple3> (I actually only learned that today thanks to minego-afk)
Feb 09 00:12:59 <burg> thanks, i`ll try it right now
Feb 09 00:14:50 <sugardave> you can also have one called create that will run on creation and before things are rendered
Feb 09 00:18:44 <Popple3> burg: what sugardave said. That might make more sense in your case
Feb 09 00:19:09 <Popple3> anywho, I'm off to bed, college in the morning
Feb 09 00:19:27 <Popple3> adios
Feb 09 00:20:54 <burg> thanks
Feb 09 00:29:09 <m0ngr31> EricBlade, did you figure out the enyo loading on ripple/blackberry issue?
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