**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 24 02:59:58 2012 Feb 24 18:53:16 bigbluehat1: db8 will not be in open webOS. It will be LevelDB instead Feb 24 18:57:12 sugardave: thanks for the info Feb 24 18:57:22 is it still intended to be compatible with CouchDB's replication API? Feb 24 18:57:54 that is the impression I have been given Feb 24 18:57:56 sugardave: any good place to track progress/info on the changes? Feb 24 18:58:03 github Feb 24 18:58:04 by "the powers that be"? :) Feb 24 18:58:08 go fig ;) Feb 24 18:58:23 no this guy, I'm guessing: https://github.com/hp Feb 24 18:58:51 https://github.com/palm (of course) Feb 24 18:59:09 not sure where the repo will be for open webOS itself...right now there are just enyojs and project-isis repos of our open stuff Feb 24 18:59:35 sugardave: you work for HPalm? Feb 24 18:59:40 si Feb 24 19:00:31 cool :) Feb 24 19:00:40 * bigbluehat1 has a touchpad now because webOS is opening up Feb 24 19:00:42 fwiw Feb 24 19:00:56 and I *love* webOS…now that I've had the chance to play with it Feb 24 19:01:00 I'm not on the core/framework teams per se....just an "SDK specialist"/js hacker :P Feb 24 19:01:02 trying to get my head into deving for it Feb 24 19:01:07 :) Feb 24 19:01:23 it's sooooo easy to develop apps in webOS Feb 24 19:01:28 yeah, so it seems Feb 24 19:01:28 well, js apps Feb 24 19:01:34 still getting over the completely JS thing Feb 24 19:01:34 no clue about PDK stuff Feb 24 19:01:39 :) Feb 24 19:01:44 yeah, going to check 'em both out soonish Feb 24 19:01:46 and Ares Feb 24 19:01:53 wait for Ares 2 Feb 24 19:01:57 * bigbluehat1 waits ;) Feb 24 19:01:58 k Feb 24 19:02:09 also, any easy way (yet) to dev directly on the device? Feb 24 19:02:14 like a Firebug for Mojo? Feb 24 19:02:56 nothing yet...there's stuff like TIDE and wTerm where I guess you could technically dev on the device, but not sure how you would kick the sysmanager to know there was a new app Feb 24 19:03:13 i.e. there is no palm-install on the device Feb 24 19:03:13 yeah, tried wTerm Feb 24 19:03:22 cool for what it is Feb 24 19:03:23 ah, gotcha Feb 24 19:03:26 just curious Feb 24 19:03:53 I'd anticipate on-device dev at some point in the future Feb 24 19:04:15 yeah, it'd be pretty click to quickly iterate on stuff Feb 24 19:05:54 do you know if anyones started/built a Flickr synergy transport yet? Feb 24 19:05:59 and if they had, would it work with Photos? Feb 24 19:07:12 hmmm, not sure if anyone has, but I would HOPE that it worked with photos ;) Feb 24 19:07:25 :) Feb 24 19:07:30 just wasn't sure if it could Feb 24 19:07:36 I guess it can :) Feb 24 19:07:38 or could Feb 24 19:07:42 the photobucket one does Feb 24 19:07:47 ah, duh... Feb 24 19:07:50 so, it's technically possible Feb 24 19:07:53 :) Feb 24 19:07:53 good Feb 24 19:08:07 any chance netflix will ever make it? Feb 24 19:08:16 look, a puppy! Feb 24 19:08:32 :) Feb 24 19:08:45 I would LOVE to have Netflix on webOS Feb 24 19:08:46 seems to be a common complaint…sorry to toss mine on the stack :( Feb 24 19:08:52 yeah, who wouldn't! Feb 24 19:08:59 (besides Hulu Plus subscribers :-P ) Feb 24 19:09:15 best I've seen so far is ubuntu on TP and netflix in the browser there Feb 24 19:09:20 what are the chances there's a dev (or devs) at netflix with a TP? Feb 24 19:09:35 how'd they do that? Feb 24 19:09:38 via MoonLight? Feb 24 19:09:46 didn't think you could run netflix in ubuntu Feb 24 19:09:55 I think someone told me that it works Feb 24 19:09:56 I've got CM7 on the other "half" of my TP Feb 24 19:10:03 but only installed netflix, not tried it Feb 24 19:10:09 but, I cant remember who it was Feb 24 19:10:09 heh, will have to try that too :) Feb 24 19:10:21 android's the only "linux" i know of that can run netflix Feb 24 19:10:29 at least that I've seen running it Feb 24 19:10:55 oh, and whatever Roku's using Feb 24 19:10:58 which doesn't count Feb 24 19:11:27 well, someday soon I'm going to hack up and enyo app Feb 24 19:11:30 or fork one :) Feb 24 19:15:24 yeah, definitely check out the feedreader tutorial, too Feb 24 19:15:49 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/extended_enyo_tutorial.html Feb 24 19:16:04 here's an enyo specific question Feb 24 19:16:26 is it possible to mix enyo into an existing, jQuery+HTML app? Feb 24 19:16:30 for instance Feb 24 19:16:34 absolutely Feb 24 19:16:43 I've got a special form thingy that it'd be handy to build with Enyo kinds Feb 24 19:16:53 from what little I know at present :) Feb 24 19:17:01 currently, it's HTML + jQuery events Feb 24 19:18:43 sugardave: so I'm guessing feedreader is what the webOS Nation app (and others) are built from Feb 24 19:18:53 I likely will pick up there as I want an Ars Technica one ;) Feb 24 19:19:00 probably Feb 24 19:19:02 or one I can add feeds too anyway Feb 24 19:19:19 plus, I want back/forward buttons in the actually web-page section Feb 24 19:19:26 or to make it open links in a new card Feb 24 19:19:59 all of these things are do-able Feb 24 19:20:00 sugardave: so for the HTML/jQuery app, would I just build kinds for the stuff I want to use Enyo for and then call/run that when appropriate? Feb 24 19:20:02 :) Feb 24 19:20:15 'ats what ay like tuh hear! Feb 24 19:21:08 download Zite. That is an HTML + jquery web app that I hacked up to provide better scrolling with some of our kinds (iscroll4 is not very performant) Feb 24 19:21:44 k. URL? Feb 24 19:21:54 (or is it in the app catalog/preware?) Feb 24 19:21:54 basically, I have a "controller" kind responsible for basic flow, and various UI kinds depending on what state they are in...setup, magazine, reader, etc. Feb 24 19:21:59 it's in the app catalog Feb 24 19:22:02 cool Feb 24 19:22:05 just search for zite Feb 24 19:22:08 :) Feb 24 19:22:11 yeah "just type..." Feb 24 19:22:49 and then I use their base .html file as a shell and load my kinds into there as necessary Feb 24 19:22:58 (this is a very simplistic description) Feb 24 19:23:00 ah, very nice Feb 24 19:23:03 sure :) Feb 24 19:23:28 * bigbluehat1 had zite bookmarked :) Feb 24 19:28:01 sugardave: zite looks fab! Feb 24 19:28:07 great work Feb 24 19:28:42 is your iOS version still built with Enyo? Feb 24 20:19:10 sent the enyojs.org link to a fellow web app developer…his response: Feb 24 20:19:16 "i was expecting it to be a backbone or emberish mvc framework...but now i'm not exactly sure what it is" Feb 24 20:22:50 bigbluehat1: nah, they built the iOS version first which is the basis for the webOS version I made for them Feb 24 20:27:08 ah, cool Feb 24 20:27:12 is it open sourced? Feb 24 20:27:18 looking for code to read :) Feb 24 20:27:36 also, my friend followed up (after my attempt to explain things) with this perspective: "i don't think i do enough with custom reusable interactive widgety things like that but I can def see the benefit for people who do JS-heavy apps with custom UIs or mobile apps" Feb 24 20:27:39 you can read it, but it's not open source (and really kludgy/hacky atm) Feb 24 20:27:52 ah, how would I do that? Feb 24 20:28:12 so, any app you install unpacks the entire source tree in its app dir on the device Feb 24 20:28:29 /media/cryptofs/usr/palm/applications/app_id Feb 24 20:28:34 or something like that Feb 24 20:35:40 Yeah, that'd be the location Feb 24 20:45:48 sugardave: fabulous :) Feb 24 20:45:50 that'll help Feb 24 20:45:54 tnx Feb 24 20:53:52 very close, actually... Feb 24 20:54:12 /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications Feb 24 20:54:16 at least in 3.0.5 Feb 24 20:55:02 close! Feb 24 20:55:12 I knew you'd find it Feb 24 20:57:52 :) Feb 24 20:57:58 very close Feb 24 20:58:01 and thanks in any case Feb 24 20:58:10 * bigbluehat1 is cumbersomely typing this in via the onscreen keyboard :-P Feb 24 20:58:21 heh, np Feb 24 20:58:33 …and battling auto correct at every "/" :-P Feb 24 21:05:08 in a memo now Feb 24 21:05:13 and now I'm in a work call Feb 24 21:05:18 tnx for the chats sugardave Feb 25 01:05:27 bigbluehat1: to answer your question from the other channel, yeah, you found my website, i'm also one of many people behind the iOS/Android game Dungeon Defenders, and working on some new stuff now too :) Feb 25 01:08:28 very cool :) Feb 25 01:08:39 nice domain hack, btw **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 25 02:59:59 2012