**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 20 02:59:59 2012
Mar 20 03:00:44 <rwatkins> is there a convenient way to disable Over Scroll in enyo Scrollers?
Mar 20 03:03:16 <rwatkins> it looks like in 1.0 I'll have to go all the way back to DragScroller and modify dragHandler, but would like to avoid that ...
Mar 20 03:05:15 <rwatkins> oh, was asking in #enyojs about trying to disable Over Scroll in Scrollers
Mar 20 03:20:26 <reyawn__> Over scroll?
Mar 20 03:20:57 <rwatkins> when you pull a scroller down .. it exposes some of the page behind the scrolled section.
Mar 20 03:21:22 <rwatkins> in my case I'd like to lock the scroller so it cant be pulled beyond the top or bottom.
Mar 20 03:21:48 <reyawn__> Ah, because of the "kinetic scrolling"
Mar 20 03:21:59 <reyawn__> How it can bounce past a border, you mean.
Mar 20 03:22:57 <reyawn__> You're using enyo 1.0?
Mar 20 03:23:07 <sugardave> you can play with some of the settings on the scroll strategy that's in the scroller
Mar 20 03:23:09 <rwatkins> yes
Mar 20 03:23:31 <sugardave> I messed around with a few and got it where (mostly) you couldn't get it to overscroll
Mar 20 03:24:34 <rwatkins> i wonder if I can also check for isOverScroll in the dragHandler of DragScroller.js and just .. dont drag.
Mar 20 03:25:08 <rwatkins> though both methods mean I need to dig down thru a couple kinds and replace the internals ... :/
Mar 20 03:25:22 <rwatkins> feels icky
Mar 20 03:25:50 <sugardave> well, you can cheat and just modify the scroller.$.scroll directly....trying to find my example code
Mar 20 03:26:00 <rwatkins> hm
Mar 20 03:27:09 <sugardave> this.$.scroller.$.scroll.kSpringDamping = 0.0;
Mar 20 03:27:09 <sugardave> this.$.scroller.$.scroll.kDragDamping = 0.0;
Mar 20 03:27:10 <sugardave> this.$.scroller.$.scroll.kFrictionDamping = 0.0;
Mar 20 03:27:19 <rwatkins> ah.
Mar 20 03:27:21 <reyawn__> You could also probably create a new ScrollStrategy kind.
Mar 20 03:28:21 <rwatkins> or modify the one that gets created like sugardave did
Mar 20 03:28:25 <sugardave> rwatkins: play around with those, I think these were the ones I had where the scroller would not go beyond the boundaries...well, it would, but very little
Mar 20 03:29:14 <rwatkins> thx
Mar 20 03:29:45 <sugardave> it was actually in a virtualcarousel, but should work for anything that uses scrollstrategy
Mar 20 03:30:22 <rwatkins> ya.  using it on a SnapScroller
Mar 20 03:30:59 <rwatkins> want the user to be able to swipe between two views, but overscroll there seems wrong.
Mar 20 03:31:25 <sugardave> si
Mar 20 03:32:07 <rwatkins> looks like i just need kDragDamping.  will see when I get this on a touch interface.
Mar 20 03:32:41 <rwatkins> works.  thx!
Mar 20 03:32:56 <sugardave> awesome
Mar 20 03:33:29 <sugardave> so in Chrome, I think it works perfectly....on a TouchPad you can make it go past, but only a few pixels, iirc
Mar 20 03:33:58 <rwatkins> ya, these are only for a prototype - going to be shown in Chrome and maybe Android later.
Mar 20 03:34:50 <rwatkins> built 4 different mobile app prototypes in Enyo for work the last couple months.  Been great to rapidly test UI.
Mar 20 03:34:57 <sugardave> nice :)
Mar 20 03:35:31 <rwatkins> unfortunately apps will all be native when built for real, and the prototypes are intenral only. :/  but still alot of fun.  able to write Enyo for my day job now.  :)
Mar 20 03:37:25 <sugardave> yes, I love hearing that.  Need MOAR Enyo developers
Mar 20 03:37:46 <halfhalo> to eat!
Mar 20 03:38:06 <sugardave> yummy, yummy developers
Mar 20 03:38:29 <rwatkins> puts food on my table now. :)
Mar 20 03:38:33 <sugardave> webOS DevRel: To Serve Developers
Mar 20 03:38:40 <sugardave> (it's a cookbook!)
Mar 20 03:39:33 <rwatkins> course i did so by selling my soul to the devil.  i now work for ATT, Verizon and TMobile.
Mar 20 03:39:44 <halfhalo> ...
Mar 20 03:39:57 <sugardave> you get 3 paychecks? :)
Mar 20 03:40:06 <rwatkins> that'd be nice!
Mar 20 03:40:38 <rwatkins> paywithisis.com - joint venture of the three for mobile wallet.
Mar 20 03:40:54 <sugardave> ah, nifty...hadn't heard of that before
Mar 20 03:40:57 <halfhalo> Nice
Mar 20 03:41:27 <sugardave> hey, I'm in an Isis-ready city
Mar 20 03:41:36 <rwatkins> indeed.
Mar 20 03:42:10 <rwatkins> demo'ed at SXSW last week.  You're the first of two cities for the initial release.
Mar 20 03:43:42 <sugardave> when is the Pre3 version coming out?
Mar 20 03:43:55 <rwatkins> when the Pre3 comes out?
Mar 20 03:43:59 <sugardave> heh
Mar 20 03:44:08 <sugardave> I think it lacks the NFC stuff
Mar 20 03:44:42 <rwatkins> ya, I think TTS was not technically NFC
Mar 20 03:45:50 <rwatkins> should be in a large chunk of phones coming out, fairly cheap for handset manufactures to add.
Mar 20 03:48:23 <wrea> looks cool
Mar 20 03:49:42 <rwatkins> hopefully we can do it better than google wallet.  hard to gauge when NFC is really going to take off here.
Mar 20 04:09:39 <reyawn__> neat stuff
Mar 20 10:17:10 <cheng> hello, i am new to enyo, i am trying to make the pirate pig sample app running on the palm pre3 emulator, but i cannot even make it working on web browser yet. safari complains not finding extra/utils/job.js, neither canvas-depends.js
Mar 20 10:17:24 <cheng> does anyone know where these script included?
Mar 20 10:37:39 <swisstomcat> what's in your lib directory?
Mar 20 10:38:52 <swisstomcat> did you download enyo 2 beta2?
Mar 20 10:39:04 <swisstomcat> it should include the canvas library in the lib directory
Mar 20 10:57:09 <cheng>  no,i am using the enyo 1.0, i think
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Mar 20 19:36:52 <projectAlarum> So is there an easy way to include a CGI script into enyo?
Mar 20 19:38:45 <swisstomcat> to consume one you mean?
Mar 20 19:40:15 <projectAlarum> Yes
Mar 20 19:40:41 <swisstomcat> you could call it via ajax
Mar 20 19:40:54 <swisstomcat> if it's remote on a server
Mar 20 19:47:23 <projectAlarum> Awesome, Ajax just might work, now if I could call it locally
Mar 20 19:47:54 <swisstomcat> what are you trying to do?
Mar 20 19:51:49 <projectAlarum> My work is considering re-doing our intranet as it looks like it's from the 80's.... Problem is, the 'web developer' who built it used a bunch of Perl scripts for things like, the end user's PC name and IP address, and a whole slew of other items that eve
Mar 20 19:51:49 <projectAlarum> ryone is absolutely convinced they can't live without
Mar 20 19:52:31 <projectAlarum> So I was just gonna whip up a quick example using Enyo but wanted to make sure I could still run their original scripts
Mar 20 19:53:05 <swisstomcat> ah, we're not talking about mobile apps, we're talking about websites
Mar 20 19:53:28 <acarback1> you want to make a new front end using enyo on top of the old perl scripts?
Mar 20 19:53:38 <minego> You can't run the perl scripts directly in enyo but you can use it to make AJAX requests to a web server that runs those scripts.
Mar 20 19:53:47 <swisstomcat> right
Mar 20 19:54:00 <swisstomcat> since the website will be hosted on the same server i assume
Mar 20 19:54:18 <acarback1> that'd be pretty nifty
Mar 20 19:54:46 <projectAlarum> Yes, exactly, it looks like most of the simply find the values and then creates an HTML div and throws em in there
Mar 20 19:55:37 <projectAlarum> Sorry, it prints the html output back to the page
Mar 20 19:57:53 <projectAlarum> To give you an idea, the 'web developer' was using lotus notes to design this site and it hasn't been touched in at least 10 years...
Mar 20 19:58:17 <acarback1> then you'll need some beer to get it done
Mar 20 19:58:35 <minego> I think he'll need something stronger than beer
Mar 20 19:58:46 <projectAlarum> Lol no kidding
Mar 20 19:58:57 <swisstomcat> could't you just replace those scripts
Mar 20 19:59:01 <swisstomcat> ?
Mar 20 19:59:22 <projectAlarum> I could, but was just gonna throw something together real quick to demo it
Mar 20 19:59:35 <projectAlarum> In fact, I probably would, Ajax does work for this
Mar 20 19:59:44 <swisstomcat> i see
Mar 20 19:59:49 <acarback1> but you will eventually go rework those perl scripts, yes? (for sanity's sake)
Mar 20 20:00:05 <minego> At the very least I would update the scripts to return an XML or JSON document
Mar 20 20:00:19 <minego> You can probably make it work without doing so, but it just isn't worth the headache
Mar 20 20:00:25 <acarback1> good point
Mar 20 20:00:46 <projectAlarum> Absolutely, time-permitting, scripting/web development is not my main function here unfortunately
Mar 20 20:02:15 <projectAlarum> This is one of those organizations that says 'oh you know how to do this, here have a pile of work, we know its not in your job title but oh well'
Mar 20 20:03:09 <minego> lol
Mar 20 20:03:36 <acarback1> gotta love that :-/
Mar 20 20:03:54 <minego> I suddenly feel like having a drink
Mar 20 20:24:51 <projectAlarum> My goodness, this whole server needs rebuilt not just the site.... Good ol' windows server 2000....
Mar 20 20:25:15 <swisstomcat> ouch
Mar 20 20:25:17 <swisstomcat> throw it out
Mar 20 20:26:07 <projectAlarum> Yeah... Thank goodness it's only our intranet....
Mar 20 20:27:13 <acarback1> perl on windows server 2000?
Mar 20 20:28:07 <projectAlarum> Oh yeah
Mar 20 20:29:18 <acarback1> kill it with fire
Mar 20 20:29:46 <projectAlarum> I just fought with our IT director to replace all the old windows 2000 machines, finally got my point across after we got hit with conficker
Mar 20 20:30:08 <projectAlarum> This place is so far behind its a joke, especially for how large of a company it is
Mar 20 20:30:23 <acarback1> large organizations rarely move quickly
Mar 20 20:30:43 <projectAlarum> Especially not in healthcare....
Mar 20 20:33:55 <minego> Or when they are moving backwards... then they seem to be very capable of moving quickly.
Mar 20 20:34:39 <acarback1> "submit the paper forms in triplicate, please"
Mar 20 20:35:41 <swisstomcat> print out this pdf, fill out and sign and then send via snail mail
Mar 20 20:37:47 <projectAlarum> Yeah no kidding, and then when it gets lost, go here to reset your account and re-print the forms so they can be mailed again....
Mar 20 20:42:09 <halfhalo> fun fact: Cal State Northridge is one of the few places with an almost completely up to date infrastructure.   Pretty good for a govn't shop
Mar 20 21:11:15 <fxspec06> sounds like a hell of a lot of fun
Mar 20 21:11:22 <fxspec06> field day!
Mar 20 21:24:03 <projectAlarum> Lol
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