**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 29 02:59:58 2012
May 29 04:16:43 <fxspec06> this is what i'm hoping things will look like. we'll see if they end up looking anyting like that
May 29 04:16:45 <fxspec06> http://i.imgur.com/NP7bd.png
May 29 04:38:55 <fxspec06> hmm. iconbuttons must be the exact height / width 32x64 else they don't really work well
May 29 04:41:34 <fxspec06> which leads me to the question, where's the file that does the dirty work for the iconbutton
May 29 04:42:51 * fxspec06 found it. css
May 29 05:18:44 <Tibfib_> sugardave: yeah, just hope they see more updates is all
May 29 06:41:19 <Tibfib_> anyone around?
May 29 06:41:44 <fxspec06> yo
May 29 06:41:54 <EricBlade> no
May 29 06:43:24 <Tibfib_> trying to figure out how to programmatically set an item as selected in the enyo 2 list kind
May 29 06:43:37 <Tibfib_> thought about firing a tap event on the item
May 29 06:45:34 <fxspec06> list.select(inIndex, inData)
May 29 06:45:41 <fxspec06> 	select: function(inIndex, inData) {
May 29 06:46:20 <fxspec06> * Set the selection state for the given row index.
May 29 06:46:57 <sugardave> is it bad when your client code totally trounces the server when posting to it?
May 29 06:47:00 <sugardave> I think it's bad
May 29 06:47:08 <Tibfib_> ARGH
May 29 06:47:11 <Tibfib_> fxspec06:  thank you sir
May 29 06:47:49 <fxspec06> your very welcome
May 29 06:47:52 <fxspec06> you're*
May 29 06:47:55 * fxspec06 ugh
May 29 06:48:40 <Tibfib_> I checked for setSelection
May 29 06:48:42 <Tibfib_> setSelect
May 29 06:48:49 <Tibfib_> and a bunch of other stuff
May 29 06:49:05 <Tibfib_> setSelected
May 29 06:49:07 <sugardave> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090830.gif
May 29 06:49:52 <Tibfib_> hmmm my iphone has been resetting for the past two hours
May 29 06:53:01 <fxspec06> lmao
May 29 06:53:54 <Tibfib_> well I told it to erase all data so I can upgrade and re-jailbreak it
May 29 06:59:44 <fxspec06> and it's in a reset loop ?
May 29 06:59:54 <fxspec06> grr! i want my flex back
May 29 07:01:00 <Tibfib_> no it's just been spinning for a while
May 29 07:01:13 <Tibfib_> yaay, my app is coming along niciely
May 29 07:01:16 <Tibfib_> nicely******
May 29 07:02:50 <Tibfib_> sugardave: popups don't seem to work very nicely on phones
May 29 07:02:52 <fxspec06> me too
May 29 07:03:00 <Tibfib_> have any experience with that?
May 29 07:03:11 <fxspec06> although it will probably be tablet only, at least at release
May 29 07:03:35 <fxspec06> i highly doubt this will ever run well on phones / look good / be functional at any level
May 29 07:04:03 * Tibfib_ <3's my app
May 29 07:04:14 <Tibfib_> poop@grammar
May 29 07:05:27 <fxspec06> no, i don't have experience w/ that
May 29 07:05:37 <fxspec06> what is on my tv right now -__-
May 29 07:13:25 <sugardave> Tibfib: no, I've been browser-only for now...though I will probably put a popup in this app sometime tomorrow and we'll be testing it on phones
May 29 07:13:31 <sugardave> maybe I will see the issue
May 29 07:14:42 * EricBlade wonders what sugardave is working on ...
May 29 07:14:49 <sugardave> me, too!
May 29 07:14:54 <sugardave> oh wait...
May 29 07:14:58 <EricBlade> oh, that's not good :D
May 29 07:15:06 <Tibfib_> sugardave: please do
May 29 07:15:13 <Tibfib_> don't seem to work well on my iPhone
May 29 07:15:16 <Tibfib_> haven't tested well on other phones
May 29 07:15:22 <Tibfib_> s/well//
May 29 07:15:31 <EricBlade> "Dave, please write us an app."  "To do what?" "Well, we're not going to tell you."
May 29 07:15:50 <EricBlade> so then you have to write -all- the apps
May 29 07:15:57 <EricBlade> at least until you find the one they wanted.
May 29 07:15:57 <EricBlade> :)
May 29 07:16:00 <sugardave> it's like Let's Make a Deal.  You might get zonked
May 29 07:16:13 <fxspec06> lol
May 29 07:16:55 <sugardave> blah, time to give it up for the night, guys
May 29 07:16:58 <sugardave> have fun!
May 29 07:17:13 <fxspec06> i don't konw how i'm still going. later!
May 29 07:17:37 <EricBlade> i wish i could port Unreal to webOS.
May 29 07:17:59 <Tibfib_> sugardave: night
May 29 07:18:54 <fxspec06> woah deja vu
May 29 07:36:03 <EricBlade> ffs, newegg has a 6tb hard disk box under $500
May 29 07:40:58 <EricBlade> they also have a panasonic electric shaver with "nanotech blades".  It has microscopic robots that remove the hairs from my chin?
May 29 07:41:52 <fxspec06> sounds peachy
May 29 07:44:12 <EricBlade> fxspec06: this is what i think i'm going wtih .. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260047&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA
May 29 07:46:41 <fxspec06> there you go
May 29 07:46:47 <fxspec06> you'll be happy with that
May 29 07:46:52 <EricBlade> oh, neat, they also seem to have plenty of touchpads in stock too
May 29 07:47:03 <EricBlade> 16g refurb for 205, or 32g for 210.
May 29 07:47:11 <fxspec06> ohe thing you should be aware of too: they put a thin coating over their screens
May 29 07:47:15 <fxspec06> dell
May 29 07:47:31 <fxspec06> they call it anti-glare coating
May 29 07:47:46 <fxspec06> some people don't like it, others don't mind
May 29 07:49:26 <fxspec06> if you want to spend like 3 hrs reading you can check this out http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm
May 29 07:50:28 <EricBlade> hmm. when I searched Newegg for "Palm" i didn't expect to find trees.  I really didn't.
May 29 07:50:32 <EricBlade> But I did find them.
May 29 07:51:19 <EricBlade> I even found palm leaf-shaped ceiling fan blade covers.. apparently made by Palm themselves, judging by the pictures.
May 29 07:51:19 <fxspec06> =O they sell palm trees
May 29 07:51:20 <EricBlade> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA06U05X2191
May 29 07:51:34 <fxspec06> no way
May 29 07:51:57 <EricBlade> i think that they may infact have an algorithm that searches google images to find pictures to load their databases with
May 29 07:51:58 <fxspec06> that even has the palm logo
May 29 07:52:14 <EricBlade> because there is no freaking way that was put together by a person who had any idea what the product was
May 29 07:52:31 <fxspec06> lol
May 29 07:55:29 <EricBlade> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LKIH6G/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=
May 29 07:55:33 <EricBlade> i'm gonna get one of those for the gf i think
May 29 07:55:46 <fxspec06> the palm tree fan blades
May 29 07:57:50 <fxspec06> i think i nailed my mockup http://i.imgur.com/Wfzfz.png right is photoshop, left is live
May 29 07:58:26 <fxspec06> i think my body is telling me go to bed
May 29 11:43:19 <madnificent> fxspec06: no you didn't nail it!  left is prettier than right.  make it worse again!
May 29 15:36:26 <fxspec06> left is the browser, it better be prettier
May 29 15:36:51 <fxspec06> although i can't seem to flex the bottom kind to attach to the bottom
May 29 15:37:00 <fxspec06> it's just not happening.
May 29 15:37:26 <sugardave> position: fixed; bottom: 0em;
May 29 15:37:34 * sugardave jumps in without knowing the context.
May 29 15:41:21 <fxspec06> lol. fixed isn't really ideal. although, i don't really remember if i gave it a shot or not
May 29 15:41:29 <fxspec06> it was like 4am =O
May 29 15:44:28 <sugardave> s'okay, I went to bed and when I woke up there is an email telling me about 20+ issues with this app that needs to be demo-ready tomorrow
May 29 15:44:36 <sugardave> woo
May 29 15:45:27 <fxspec06> demo -- demolition ?
May 29 15:45:32 <sugardave> BOOM
May 29 15:46:35 <sugardave> I can't believe you figured out this is a cross-platform blasting cap manager app.
May 29 15:54:04 <fxspec06> looks like you got work to do if you want to 'spark' interest
May 29 15:56:21 * sugardave groans.
May 29 15:56:34 <sugardave> off to the races, ttyl
May 29 15:58:30 <fxspec06> later
May 29 16:38:29 <summatusmentis> er... dumb question, but what's the recommended method for having login/registration screens?
May 29 17:13:10 <summatusmentis> oh, onyx.Popup
May 29 18:01:17 <fxspec06> ya, popup
May 29 18:52:12 <Tibfib_> mmm, anyone use Nom3 lately?
May 29 19:05:46 <summatusmentis> haven't been in webOS on my tablet in a long itme
May 29 19:05:48 <summatusmentis> time*
May 29 19:06:56 <fxspec06> you haven't been missing much. besides apps that make things go boom.
May 29 19:07:16 <fxspec06> oh, webos webos not irc webos
May 29 19:12:34 <eblade-synergy> Hmm.
May 29 19:12:51 <eblade-synergy> I can't get into irc from pidgin.
May 29 19:12:53 * fxspec06 just watched mobile nations podcast
May 29 19:13:07 <fxspec06> DK was def drinking. i can see why.
May 29 19:13:26 <eblade-synergy> Also can't seem to join the webOS channels front my touchpad
May 29 19:14:01 <fxspec06> but.. you're in synergy
May 29 19:14:24 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: indeed
May 29 19:27:10 <fxspec06> so, i can get 15% off an OCZ flash drive from newegg
May 29 19:27:13 <fxspec06> ssd*
May 29 19:28:19 <fxspec06> i just bought a new computer and HDD is my bottleneck. by far. but i'm unsure of A. if it's the right time B. if i absolutely need it
May 29 19:50:54 <summatusmentis> erm, if I create/destroy components dynamically, how do I tie those components back to their event handlers (ontap, etc.)?
May 29 19:52:47 <fxspec06> this.$.component.ontap = (function)
May 29 19:52:59 <fxspec06> or you can do it inline
May 29 19:53:07 <fxspec06> just as you would up top
May 29 19:57:00 <summatusmentis> see, I've got it inline right now, and it doesn't seem to be triggering
May 29 19:58:34 <fxspec06> instead of doing ontap: "dothis" try ontap: this.dothis
May 29 19:58:57 <sugardave> owner: this
May 29 19:59:08 <sugardave> ontap: "normalHandler", owner: this
May 29 19:59:27 <sugardave> when you add dynamically, the owner is the component you are adding to
May 29 19:59:30 <sugardave> instead of what you think
May 29 20:00:32 <sugardave> if you are adding a bunch of components via createComponents it may be easier to just pass {owner: this} as a second arg to createComponents
May 29 20:01:01 <sugardave> summatusmentis: ^^^^
May 29 20:02:50 <summatusmentis> http://pastebin.com/NUdLtYmV is this a bad way to createComponents()?
May 29 20:03:35 <summatusmentis> where this.$.gbox is a onyx.GroupBox
May 29 20:04:03 <sugardave> createComponents wants an array as first arg
May 29 20:04:18 <summatusmentis> it... does?
May 29 20:04:23 <fxspec06> thank you!! i never knew that!
May 29 20:04:26 <fxspec06> argggggggggggggggg
May 29 20:04:26 <sugardave> si
May 29 20:04:33 <summatusmentis> wait, sorry, createComponent()
May 29 20:04:36 <fxspec06> =O that makes so much sense now!
May 29 20:04:38 <summatusmentis> not createComponents()
May 29 20:04:44 <sugardave> createComponent just takes an object
May 29 20:04:54 <sugardave> both will take a secondary properties object arg
May 29 20:05:34 <sugardave> summatusmentis: also, a gotcha
May 29 20:05:53 <summatusmentis> so, the call to createComponents() there should be a call to createComponent(), but still, is that a valid way to do this?
May 29 20:05:57 <summatusmentis> a gotcha?
May 29 20:06:02 <summatusmentis> what is?
May 29 20:06:15 <sugardave> destroyComponents may do more than you expect...it will wipe out ALL components, even ones that are made automagically....you probably want this.$.gbox.destroyClientControls()
May 29 20:06:36 <summatusmentis> ok, I wans't sure about that
May 29 20:06:55 <sugardave> overall valid, yes
May 29 20:07:19 <sugardave> just make sure that you wrap that single component object in an array if you use createComponents  (with an s)
May 29 20:07:21 <summatusmentis> ok, valid. What about "proper"?
May 29 20:07:30 <summatusmentis> right, I don't want to
May 29 20:07:49 <sugardave> proper?  you don't know me very well :P
May 29 20:08:10 <summatusmentis> heh
May 29 20:08:13 <sugardave> that's the way I do it if I need to add a single component that houses many others
May 29 20:08:26 <summatusmentis> yep, that's basically what I want
May 29 20:08:44 <summatusmentis> I'd like to have one overall kind that can either handle login, or registration
May 29 20:09:49 <sugardave> dynamic component creation is fun and exciting!
May 29 20:10:14 <summatusmentis> exciting, if only because I have no idea what's supposed to be happening :)
May 29 20:10:36 <sugardave> and I think a more "proper" Enyo 2 way to refresh this.$.gbox after adding those components would be to call this.$.gbox.resized(), but render probably does that just as well
May 29 20:10:53 <sugardave> not sure which is more efficient
May 29 20:11:02 <summatusmentis> meeh, not worried about efficiency right now
May 29 20:11:55 <sugardave> looking for Mr. RightNow, eh?
May 29 20:12:49 <summatusmentis> I've been spending too long on getting this login stuff working the way I want it to
May 29 20:12:55 <summatusmentis> I have other things to be doing
May 29 20:13:01 <summatusmentis> so, yes.
May 29 20:14:08 <sugardave> Tibfib_: looks like I may have predicted flexbox death a tad early: http://www.inserthtml.com/2012/05/css3-flex-box-specification-change-layout-design/
May 29 20:14:11 <summatusmentis> sugardave: {owner: this} as an argument did what I wanted
May 29 20:14:18 <sugardave> sweet
May 29 20:14:20 <summatusmentis> tyvm
May 29 20:14:24 <sugardave> np
May 29 20:14:26 <summatusmentis> now for coffee
May 29 20:21:08 <fxspec06> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227707
May 29 20:21:19 <fxspec06> $195. i'm thinking yes.
May 29 20:21:46 <fxspec06> damn, interesting. that's the 2nd time i posted a URL and then synergy broke
May 29 20:24:08 <sugardave> comes up as $229 for me, then 209 after rebate
May 29 20:24:16 <fxspec06> yeah, i got a 15% coupon
May 29 20:24:19 <sugardave> ah
May 29 20:24:21 <sugardave> nice
May 29 20:24:27 <fxspec06> =p should have said that
May 29 20:24:31 <sugardave> SSDs apparently coming down.  I might have to start switching
May 29 20:25:40 <fxspec06> that price breaks the GB per $ barrier, and 240 isn't quite the 512 i'd hoped my first SSD to be ... but the 512's are probably not gonna be below $300 for another year / 2 yrs
May 29 20:25:58 <fxspec06> probably a year
May 29 20:26:11 <sugardave> 240 is a good size for me because I don't pirate movies and games :P
May 29 20:27:01 <fxspec06> i think 240 would be just fine for all my apps, os, a few games
May 29 20:28:15 <Tibfib_> sugardave: nice
May 29 20:29:12 * fxspec06 it's done
May 29 20:30:11 <fxspec06> no more bottlenecks
May 29 20:56:36 * fxspec06 loves the onyx.popup
May 29 20:56:42 <fxspec06> so so so so so so so awesome
May 29 20:57:48 <Tibfib_> really?
May 29 20:58:10 <Tibfib_> haven't used it much, but it's ben slightly annoying
May 29 20:58:55 <fxspec06> i've been using it for simple dialogs and information
May 29 20:59:09 <fxspec06> i made a kind that does it so easily
May 29 20:59:25 <fxspec06> https://github.com/fxspec06/enyo-alert/blob/master/alert.js
May 29 21:00:22 <Tibfib_> nice
May 29 21:00:33 <Tibfib_> you kinda disobey the enyo rules though
May 29 21:01:27 <Tibfib_> and, doesn't that create a new popup every time you need one?
May 29 21:01:45 <Tibfib_> oh, you destroy it
May 29 21:01:49 <Tibfib_> o
May 29 21:01:52 <Tibfib_> too*
May 29 21:04:21 <fxspec06> heh yeah i totally disobey the rules
May 29 21:04:36 <fxspec06> and i overwrite the javascript alert function
May 29 21:04:54 <fxspec06> but it makes it super e z to make
May 29 21:05:08 <fxspec06> wherever you need it, just alert("msg", this")
May 29 21:05:25 <fxspec06> s/this"/this
May 29 22:14:24 <ezakimak> i'm a fan of OCZ. have a Revodrive X2 in my desktop. very fast.
May 29 22:15:49 <madnificent> fxspec06: i haven't seen SSD prices drop as much as i expected them to.  i don't think they'll start dropping anytime soon.  so yeah, now's probably as good a time as any.
May 29 22:16:33 <madnificent> also, the biggest performance hit on your computer is windows, not the disk drive :)
May 29 22:22:08 <ezakimak> i only run linux :)
May 29 22:22:26 <ezakimak> i get 700MB reads and writes w/that thing. couldn't be happier
May 29 22:22:32 <ezakimak> MB/s that is
May 29 22:23:04 <ezakimak> their X3 version is double that
May 29 22:23:22 <ezakimak> i plan to buy two of those for my next machine an stripe them
May 29 22:25:07 <ezakimak> i got my page layout to look ok w/tables, is that a "bad" way of doing it? should I try to get the fittable stuff to work instead?
May 29 22:43:29 <fxspec06> depends if you're happy w/ the results
May 29 22:43:49 <fxspec06> i think it's fun to experiment w/ fittables, and they're fairly simple when you get the hang of them
May 29 22:44:01 <fxspec06> it's a good skill to have
May 29 22:44:35 <fxspec06> and yeah, SSD's are going to be a 'luxury' -- so i'm fairly happy w/ 1/4TB
May 29 22:45:05 <fxspec06> content can exist on HDD, programs on SSD..
May 29 22:45:16 <ezakimak> yep. that's how I have it
May 29 22:45:37 <fxspec06> shower. bbs
May 29 23:17:31 <fxspec06> eblade: idk if coincidence or not, but twice i've posted URL's and twice your synergy has disconnected
May 29 23:17:46 <EricBlade> i haven't even looked at it
May 29 23:18:43 <EricBlade> looks like i haven't even been logged in in like 2 hrs
May 29 23:18:59 <fxspec06> ya. i posted a URL two hrs ago and then it disconnected immediately after
May 29 23:19:41 <EricBlade> interesting.
May 29 23:20:01 <EricBlade> when i'm not busy trying to fix bizarre network replication problems in games, i'll have a look
May 29 23:21:23 <fxspec06> lol, ok
May 29 23:32:37 <fxspec06> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiLSXvNaCME
May 30 00:03:28 <sugardave> yes! You Don't Know Jack is now a facebook game
May 30 00:04:05 * fxspec06 remembers the You Don't Know Jack ps1 demo
May 30 00:04:17 <fxspec06> it's perfect for FB
May 30 00:04:26 <fxspec06> it'd actually probably make a killer mobile app
May 30 00:04:52 <fxspec06> speaking of which -- where's the multiplayer tablet gaming platform?
May 30 00:04:58 <sugardave> I played that game on my hybrid RISC/CISC NexGen 586 processor machine a LOOOOOONG time ago
May 30 00:05:09 <fxspec06> =O
May 30 00:05:25 <sugardave> which ran OS/2 3.0 + LAN Server 5....yes, I was crazy
May 30 00:05:25 <fxspec06> NexGen, kind of ironic
May 30 00:06:25 <EricBlade> i really shouldn't remember piddly crap like cpu incompatibilities in a platform that very few people have used in 15 years
May 30 00:06:45 <sugardave> but you do, and that's what makes you special!
May 30 00:06:56 <EricBlade> no what's makes me special is downs syndrome
May 30 00:06:57 <ezakimak> i ran a cyrix in my first pc
May 30 00:07:13 <ezakimak> odd combination of 586 and 686 isas
May 30 00:07:44 <fxspec06> i'll never know those times. i'm like 5-10 years out of them, and i'd have have to have been born 15 years before i was to experience them (what a sentence)
May 30 00:08:18 * sugardave was born in the time of Pong.  "Atari 2600 came out when I was 4 or 5."
May 30 00:08:22 <EricBlade> actually i had this awesome dream the other day about this kid with downs
May 30 00:08:24 <ezakimak> m68k is so much better
May 30 00:08:39 <ezakimak> atari 2600 ftw
May 30 00:08:44 <sugardave> word
May 30 00:08:46 <fxspec06> i think i have a 2600 still
May 30 00:09:01 <fxspec06> those pesky controllers.. hardly work
May 30 00:09:12 <EricBlade> my brother's stepson is severely affected .. doctors said he'd never be anything beyond "trainable", but my brother and his wife managed to get the kid into pretty reasonable shape.. he's a pizza delivery guy now
May 30 00:09:17 <ezakimak> in h.s. my friend dug his out of the garage. we played it 1000s of hours--despite sega genesis and newer "shinier" games--it was still way more fun
May 30 00:09:24 <sugardave> I have the one my grandparents had, which was re-branded as the Sears Video Console System or something like that
May 30 00:09:29 <sugardave> ultra-rare, I'm sure ;)
May 30 00:09:48 <EricBlade> but i had this awesome dream that he was actually a superhero, who was a shapeshifter .. but in his human form, he had downs, but he could change shape to any other living being, and each shape had a different super power
May 30 00:10:01 <ezakimak> EricBlade, parents that don't give up can have great effect
May 30 00:10:07 <sugardave> indeed
May 30 00:10:17 <ezakimak> ever read the book "a boy called hopeless"?
May 30 00:10:24 <EricBlade> and my brother who is an aspiring comic book artist wants to do a whole series on it now heh
May 30 00:10:32 <EricBlade> s/artist/writer/
May 30 00:10:38 <ezakimak> that could be a cool story
May 30 00:10:53 <sugardave> yeah, that would be a cool story line
May 30 00:11:26 <EricBlade> maybe i'd better get a copyright, now that i've just spilled the whole idea in front of 30 people on the internet. o.O
May 30 00:11:28 <EricBlade> :)
May 30 00:11:46 <sugardave> Google's already swiped that up, buddy
May 30 00:11:49 <sugardave> better luck next time
May 30 00:11:51 <ezakimak> nah. have at it. i don't have the time or energy to steal a story and bring it to fruition
May 30 00:12:32 <fxspec06> EricBlade: that's how writers write books, and playwriters make movies
May 30 00:12:42 <ezakimak> what's the recommended/best-practices way to size fonts these days? ems? pts?
May 30 00:12:46 <EricBlade> my bro did this neat story about a world where JFK survived, and the bullet lodged in his brain, and unlocked super telepathic powers
May 30 00:12:59 <ezakimak> poor, poor women in his life.
May 30 00:13:00 <EricBlade> but he only sold like 200 copies of it over 3 issues so he never finished
May 30 00:13:06 <fxspec06> lol
May 30 00:13:12 <sugardave> ezakimak: girlie_mac would say "use ems!"
May 30 00:13:16 <sugardave> I try, I really do
May 30 00:13:18 <fxspec06> sounds like another market i know of o.O
May 30 00:13:18 <EricBlade> it was like being a Playbook app developer
May 30 00:13:26 * fxspec06 ba-dum-tshh
May 30 00:13:35 <ezakimak> i just ordered a book i found randomly on line, a zombie story from the pov of a zombie
May 30 00:13:50 <fxspec06> i should go in there and tell them you said that
May 30 00:13:51 <EricBlade> was it written in zombie?
May 30 00:13:55 <fxspec06> ( but i won't )
May 30 00:14:03 <fxspec06> =P
May 30 00:14:17 <ezakimak> i read the excerpt they posted, it was quite engaging
May 30 00:16:55 <ezakimak> http://www.creepinghemlock.com/thinst.html
May 30 00:17:10 <ezakimak> excerpt: http://www.creepinghemlock.com/excerpt_thin.html
May 30 00:17:57 <ezakimak> figured i didn't have much to lose at only $6
May 30 00:38:12 <summatusmentis> has anyone ever tried FantasticJS w/ enyo?
May 30 00:40:13 <Tibfib_> EricBlade: copyright already applied for
May 30 00:44:13 <Tibfib_> ezakimak: I have never used ems for font-size. Maybe I should start
May 30 00:45:03 <fxspec06> well this is a heck of a glitch
May 30 00:45:06 <ezakimak> for mobile devices, is pts better I wonder?
May 30 00:45:28 <fxspec06> got a div w/ text-align center.. it renders as if the left edge of the text is on the right side of the div
May 30 00:45:53 <fxspec06> if i resize the page it doesn't fix it. but, if i right click and inspect element, it suddenly appears in the middle
May 30 00:46:01 <fxspec06> o.O
May 30 00:46:09 <sugardave> ems is supposed to be best, from what I hear from design geeks....but I couldn't tell you for sure
May 30 00:47:13 <fxspec06> so i just spent about a half hr trying to fix a non existant problem. a little this.render() can save you some time!
May 30 00:47:40 <fxspec06> i'd say EM's are awesome, ever since i learned about them i'd recommend using them
May 30 00:47:42 <summatusmentis> sugardave: can I pick your brain about enyo?
May 30 00:49:50 <sugardave> summatusmentis: if you don't mind a delay now and then
May 30 00:51:25 <summatusmentis> not at all. Someone told me about KnockoutJS today, and it seems really slick, and could be very, very nice when used with enyo. When I declare a kind (say, {kind: "onyx.Button", content: "text", ontap: "trigger"}), does adding other things to that declaration translate into the DOM?
May 30 00:52:22 <sugardave> like element attributes?
May 30 00:52:27 <summatusmentis> indeed
May 30 00:52:57 <sugardave> so I THINK you do that by specifying an attributes property inline which would be an array of the attribute objects and their values
May 30 00:53:08 <sugardave> haven't done it myself, but that seems familiar somehow
May 30 00:53:33 <summatusmentis> oh, fascinating. So the attributes property would do that translation directly
May 30 00:53:39 <sugardave> attributes :[{myattr: "myvalue"}], for instance
May 30 00:53:43 <summatusmentis> right
May 30 00:54:10 <summatusmentis> so, the reason I ask is because the model/view mechanisms in enyo seem too disconnected
May 30 00:54:28 <summatusmentis> and KnockoutJS seems like a nice way of dealing with that disconnect
May 30 00:54:30 <Tibfib_> is it an array?
May 30 00:54:30 <Tibfib_> I thought it was just an object
May 30 00:54:40 <sugardave> it's  hybrid model, yeah....I had this go-round with the designers when they were reviewing my current app
May 30 00:54:56 <sugardave> Tibfib_: not sure, maybe it is just an object
May 30 00:55:02 * Tibfib_ adds KnockoutJS to list of things to check out
May 30 00:55:13 <Tibfib_> I think enyojs.com has an example on the front page
May 30 00:55:20 <Tibfib_> my internet is pretty crappy so I can't really check
May 30 00:55:23 <summatusmentis> I expect it still has some limitations that would make Knockout angry (like Lists), but it seems like it could be really slick
May 30 00:55:28 <fxspec06> i always just use style: ""
May 30 00:55:28 <summatusmentis> Tibfib_: like in Ben's tutorials?
May 30 00:55:29 <fxspec06> but
May 30 00:55:33 <fxspec06> attributes is cooler
May 30 00:55:38 <Tibfib_> fun fact: I am in the middle of Idaho, in a car
May 30 00:55:50 <sugardave> fxspec06: style will just be styles....attributes should let you set anything
May 30 00:55:54 <Tibfib_> summatusmentis: perhaps?
May 30 00:56:02 <fxspec06> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhha
May 30 00:56:04 <sugardave> like x-mojo-tap-highlight
May 30 00:56:04 <fxspec06> i see
May 30 00:56:12 <Tibfib_> it's in the pre-widget stuff
May 30 00:56:46 <summatusmentis> oh, no, literally on the front page
May 30 00:56:48 <sugardave> (and no, there is no x-mojo-tap-highlight magic in Enyo ;)
May 30 00:56:53 <Tibfib_> huzzah!
May 30 00:56:59 <summatusmentis> \http://jsfiddle.net/unwiredben/F8NkS/
May 30 00:57:00 <fxspec06> psh. who reads the front page?
May 30 00:57:03 <summatusmentis> woops, http://jsfiddle.net/unwiredben/F8NkS/
May 30 00:57:12 <Tibfib_> that's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure
May 30 00:57:14 <summatusmentis> so yeah, object
May 30 00:57:25 <summatusmentis> although perhaps takes an array of objects?
May 30 00:57:29 <summatusmentis> does js do the translation?
May 30 00:57:31 <Tibfib_> I've spent a lot of time looking at enyo samples and so forth
May 30 00:57:40 <sugardave> no, I just mis-remembered is mor likely
May 30 00:57:54 <Tibfib_> summatusmentis: what translation?
May 30 00:58:01 <sugardave> so attributes: {attr1: value, attr2: value2, ...}
May 30 00:58:11 <summatusmentis> object -> array of 1 object
May 30 00:58:21 <summatusmentis> translation is the wrong word
May 30 00:58:28 <summatusmentis> sugardave: indeed
May 30 00:58:55 <Tibfib_> I have just crappy enough internet not to be able to test my app :/
May 30 00:59:10 <summatusmentis> looks like knockout only needs one element attribute, and then takes json syntax as arguments to the object
May 30 00:59:19 <Tibfib_> time to work on stuff that doesn't require internet
May 30 00:59:30 <sugardave> stylin'!
May 30 00:59:45 <Tibfib_> summatusmentis: you're talking about enyo2 right?
May 30 01:00:08 <summatusmentis> Tibfib_: indeed
May 30 01:00:39 <summatusmentis> s/object/attribute/g
May 30 01:01:13 <sugardave> okay, need to head to the hotel....check on you guys later
May 30 01:01:52 <Tibfib_> cya
May 30 01:01:52 <Tibfib_> anyone ever used LESS or SASS?
May 30 01:03:55 <fxspec06> YAY. RAIN.
May 30 01:03:59 <fxspec06> <3
May 30 01:17:01 <summatusmentis> Tibfib_: what are those?
May 30 01:18:36 <Tibfib_> CSS preprocessors
May 30 01:19:40 <summatusmentis> oh
May 30 01:23:38 <Tibfib_> they're nice. I love SASS
May 30 01:26:59 <fxspec06> preprocessors?
May 30 01:28:18 <summatusmentis> as in, computed before real computation
May 30 01:28:20 <rrix> they process things before they're css
May 30 01:28:30 * rrix punches himself
May 30 01:28:43 * Tibfib_ punches rrix
May 30 01:28:50 <rrix> that tickeld!
May 30 01:28:51 * fxspec06 punches rrix
May 30 01:29:00 <rrix> okay now that was just mean
May 30 01:29:03 <Tibfib_> hah
May 30 01:29:07 <fxspec06> hey, everyone else was doing it
May 30 01:29:08 <rrix> summatusmentis might as well get in here and finish this up
May 30 01:29:16 <fxspec06> FINISH HIM!
May 30 01:29:18 <rrix> Since we're all having a jerk party
May 30 01:29:19 <rrix> :P
May 30 01:29:34 <summatusmentis> I'm a pacifist
May 30 01:30:00 <summatusmentis> violence is never the answer :-P
May 30 01:30:05 <rrix> hah
May 30 01:30:10 * rrix punches summatusmentis 
May 30 01:30:18 <fxspec06> oh damn. too slow.
May 30 01:30:19 <Tibfib_> hahaahaha
May 30 01:30:25 <summatusmentis> MOM, HE HIT ME
May 30 01:30:40 <fxspec06> totally didn't see that coming. pwn3d
May 30 01:31:03 <rrix> Who is mom in this scenario? rwhitby?
May 30 01:31:14 * fxspec06 is amazed how the intelligence of the room has dropped in a matter of minutes
May 30 01:31:14 <summatusmentis> uh... sure?
May 30 01:31:45 <rrix> fxspec06: I can't seem to put my finger on it, but wasn't that right around when I showed up and started pulling up my Dev activity to Get Things Done?
May 30 01:31:53 <rrix> strange coincidence.
May 30 01:32:20 <fxspec06> lol, don't worry happens to me too
May 30 01:32:44 <fxspec06> "oh yeah, i have things i need to get done"
May 30 01:32:50 <rrix> :P
May 30 01:33:25 <Tibfib_> hah, I, on the other hand, am just waiting for this slow internet to finish its job
May 30 01:36:21 <Tibfib_> which I may or may not be hindering by my browsing
May 30 01:40:18 * rrix is trying to figure out this stupid express server his colleague set up
May 30 01:44:57 <fxspec06> i'm just trying to create a mockup
May 30 01:47:18 <Tibfib_> I haven't been satisfied with any mockup programs
May 30 01:47:25 <Tibfib_> nothing seems to beat paper and pencil
May 30 01:47:38 <fxspec06> photoshop is a great mockup program
May 30 01:47:45 <summatusmentis> I'm trying to work up the gusto to mess w/ Mapstraction some more
May 30 01:47:56 <fxspec06> click: box. click: text here, text there. boom mockup
May 30 01:51:57 <Tibfib_> shmeh
May 30 02:09:37 <EricBlade> ""@EnyoJS: We're at @fluentconf this week! Come hear from @endamcgrath,@unwiredben, and the rest of the team" .. hmm. i hope that "Adora" isn't the complete "rest" of the team :)
May 30 02:17:55 <sugardave> hey!
May 30 02:17:59 <fxspec06> not cool. brownie points --
May 30 02:18:00 <sugardave> no, she isn't :P
May 30 02:23:41 <EricBlade> ah, right! sugardave is on the enyo team?
May 30 02:23:58 <EricBlade> ok, so, enda, ben, adora, and dave are left!
May 30 02:24:29 <Tibfib_> mascot
May 30 02:27:17 <sugardave> you guys are funny....I don't leak :P
May 30 02:31:27 <EricBlade> mascot .. ? they have someone get in a giant "E" suit?
May 30 02:39:22 <summatusmentis> leak? what is there to leak?
May 30 02:39:38 <sugardave> I don't know :)
May 30 02:41:21 <fxspec06> man i just spent 20 mins trying to move this text up about 5 pixels
May 30 02:41:35 <fxspec06> css not cooperating. i do things backwards anyways
May 30 02:43:42 <Tibfib_> yayayayayay
May 30 02:43:51 <Tibfib_> fxspec06: that is exactly why I hate CSS
May 30 02:44:20 <sugardave> I'm getting a lot better at it after, what, 3 years?
May 30 02:44:38 <sugardave> I know the difference between margin and padding now :)
May 30 02:45:07 <Tibfib_> heh
May 30 02:46:02 <fxspec06> i suddenly have a craving for chinese food
May 30 02:46:40 <sugardave> get Thai instead
May 30 02:47:21 <fxspec06> yeah. css has its moments of brilliance, but then you want to move something like this way or that way and it makes your head go 'why is this so difficult'
May 30 02:49:02 <Tibfib_> now, to figure out why this is spitting out an error...
May 30 02:50:09 <halfhalo> I blame cats
May 30 02:50:59 <Tibfib_> that's better than all of the solutions I've come up with
May 30 02:59:25 <rrix> Cool, I now have a server that can dynamically serve a package.js depending on the URL passed to it and load enyo stuff in to a generic enyo frame
May 30 02:59:40 <Tibfib_> nice
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