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Jun 12 04:10:37 <visionary> good evening
Jun 12 04:10:52 <invalidopcode> visionary: good evening
Jun 12 04:29:57 <visionary> ok, i have deployed the twitter app in the enyo tutorial to an iphone
Jun 12 04:30:31 <invalidopcode> and how well does it work?
Jun 12 04:30:36 <visionary> enyo 2.o
Jun 12 04:30:46 <visionary> it works fine
Jun 12 04:31:07 <visionary> step one of the tutoria
Jun 12 04:31:19 <visionary> i have not added onyx
Jun 12 04:32:40 <visionary> also using bootplate
Jun 12 13:55:40 <visionary> anyhow, enyo 2.0 with onyx on an iphone
Jun 12 13:58:44 <Roy-Pre1011> Col. Mustard with the wrench in the conservatory.
Jun 12 14:01:56 <visionary> you sunk my battleship!
Jun 12 14:02:32 <visionary> so will there be any new hardware running webos?
Jun 12 14:04:13 <visionary> any good resources for building enyo 2.0 for a pre3?
Jun 12 14:35:34 <fxspec06_> "any good resources for building enyo 2.0" is a much broader question, and i would vote "no"
Jun 12 14:36:02 <fxspec06_> i'd say the forums are probably your #1 resource
Jun 12 14:36:11 <visionary> ok, thanks
Jun 12 14:36:11 <fxspec06_> and this here channel. lol
Jun 12 15:15:01 <madnificent> fxspec06_: which platforms have you targeted again?
Jun 12 15:16:31 <madnificent> i have a Control which creates a wrapper around the components that are given to it.  is there some way in which i can publish a components variable?  right now, i don't see how.  if that's not possible then this isn't a pretty encapsulation :/
Jun 12 15:18:12 <summatusmentis> what do you mean publish a components variable?
Jun 12 15:18:38 <summatusmentis> you can just access the components variable directly if you need to
Jun 12 15:20:05 <madnificent> i'd like for my users to be able to use it like any other component.  so i want them to say { kind : "MyKind", components : [ { kind : "SomethingTheyWant" } , { kind : "AndYetSomethingElse" } ] }  in which "MyKind" is the thing i published.  however, MyKind is a control, so so far i've published body.
Jun 12 15:20:41 <madnificent> MyKind already uses components, as it creates a div and then some /in which/ the contents of the components which the user specifies should be placed.
Jun 12 15:20:52 <madnificent> it seems to be a rather common pattern
Jun 12 15:21:27 <summatusmentis> ooh, you want users to be able to say what what goes in the components, but not completely (that is, you want some defaults as well)
Jun 12 15:21:54 <madnificent> no, it isn't defaults.  the component they specify must be /inside/ those i specify
Jun 12 15:22:07 <summatusmentis> that's ok too
Jun 12 15:22:10 <summatusmentis> if you look at the Accordion code on the Community Gallery, it does something similar
Jun 12 15:22:42 <summatusmentis> it exposes a contentComponent array, and then adds everything in the contentComponent array to the actual components array
Jun 12 15:22:57 <summatusmentis> you'll need some "hidden" logic, but it's pretty straightforward to do, from what I can tell
Jun 12 15:22:59 <madnificent> so it publishes a different variable than components?
Jun 12 15:23:05 <summatusmentis> it does
Jun 12 15:23:13 <madnificent> yeah, so i already have that :)
Jun 12 15:23:18 <summatusmentis> ah, ok ;)
Jun 12 15:23:20 <madnificent> and body sounds a tad better
Jun 12 15:23:37 <madnificent> but i don't like that form of encapsulation.  the user sees that it's different and that feels terribly wrong
Jun 12 15:25:54 <summatusmentis> except that if I understand what you're saying, the components of MyKind are the div and some other stuff
Jun 12 15:26:16 <summatusmentis> and the components of the div are what you want to expose to the user
Jun 12 15:26:20 <summatusmentis> yes?
Jun 12 15:28:08 <madnificent> let me make it clear with a very minimal example:
Jun 12 15:28:46 <Roy-Pre1011> madnificent: I know the answer.
Jun 12 15:29:16 <Roy-Pre1011> Simply create a container object you want the user to place controls into and add this line to your declaration:
Jun 12 15:29:49 <madnificent> { tag : "foo", components : { kind : "FourThree" , components : [ { tag : "bar" } ] } }  should output <foo><wii class="mine"><waa class="myother"><bar></bar></waa></wii></foo>
Jun 12 15:30:14 <madnificent> Roy-Pre1011: i'm curious :D
Jun 12 15:31:51 <Roy-Pre1011> controlParentName: "myContainer"
Jun 12 15:33:29 <madnificent> Roy-Pre1011: can you link me to a place where it's used/documented/explained?  (in inverse ordere of preference).  or can you explain it a bit more in detail?  i'm really curious right now!
Jun 12 15:33:54 <Roy-Pre1011> yes
Jun 12 15:34:25 <Roy-Pre1011> http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/09/controlling-component-placement-in-custom-kinds/
Jun 12 15:34:57 <madnificent> Roy-Pre1011: does that work in enyo2?
Jun 12 15:35:22 <Roy-Pre1011> I can assure you it does.  I have used it.
Jun 12 15:35:55 <Roy-Pre1011> You can also just name the container to "client"
Jun 12 15:36:11 <Roy-Pre1011> But I kinda like using controlParentName because it's clearer what's going on.
Jun 12 15:37:05 * madnificent doesn't see the answer in the blog post :/
Jun 12 15:38:00 <Roy-Pre1011> It's in the comments.
Jun 12 15:39:16 <madnificent> comments!  briliant :D  i should try that one out
Jun 12 15:39:44 <madnificent> then again sugardave says that he couldn't get it running
Jun 12 15:39:53 <madnificent> sugardave: why couldn't you get it running?!
Jun 12 15:58:48 <visionary> enyo 2.0 make me :)
Jun 12 16:00:16 <Roy-Pre1011> It should!
Jun 12 16:19:15 <summatusmentis> does anyone have any idea why my List ist having it's port height set to 0px?
Jun 12 18:24:46 <Tibfib_> summatusmentis: enyo2?
Jun 12 18:25:00 <Tibfib_> Roy-Pre1011: do you know of any work on popups to get them phone friendly?
Jun 12 18:25:48 <summatusmentis> I figured it out, it needed to be re-rendered
Jun 12 18:27:26 <madnificent> Tibfib_: not at all sure if it solves anything, but there was something popup-related listed in the community gallery
Jun 12 18:27:46 <Tibfib_> madnificent: I'll check it out thanks
Jun 12 18:29:28 <Tibfib_> madnificent: looks like fxspec06's alert function is there, but don't see much else
Jun 12 18:31:31 <madnificent> that's what i was thinking about
Jun 12 18:32:12 <madnificent> if it's integration with the popups and the popups are a service request, then you may want to look at that layer which offers the service requests.  again, this may be bad advice
Jun 12 18:32:29 <Tibfib_> what I'm referring to is the fact that popups look terrible on mobile
Jun 12 18:33:07 <madnificent> isn't that 'just' styling?
Jun 12 18:34:46 <Roy-Pre1011> Tibfib_: Dunno!  Sounds like a good community project.
Jun 12 18:35:13 <Tibfib_> madnificent: possibly. they just aren't well optimized for phones
Jun 12 18:37:41 <Tibfib_> I might have to use separate pages instead of popups on mobile
Jun 12 18:38:13 <summatusmentis> Tibfib_: ugh, don't say that
Jun 12 18:38:19 <summatusmentis> I like popups for some things
Jun 12 18:38:33 <Tibfib_> they do work in some situations
Jun 12 18:39:06 <fxspec06> woo my alert is in there
Jun 12 18:39:16 <summatusmentis> modal dialogues are pretty awful most of the time anyway
Jun 12 18:39:18 <fxspec06> =P ben told me he put it in
Jun 12 19:10:44 <EricBlade> anyone here have a Whatsapp account?
Jun 12 20:05:39 <Tibfib_> I have had the app, but never used it
Jun 12 20:10:14 <Tibfib_> Hmmm, I don't understand how this works
Jun 12 20:10:27 <Tibfib_> oh, that's how
Jun 12 20:24:39 <EricBlade> i need to find someone to send me a whatsapp message so i can see if anything happens
Jun 12 21:46:35 <PatrickC> EricBlade: i can
Jun 12 21:46:47 <PatrickC> (if u still need someone to send u a whatsapp message)
Jun 13 01:45:27 <EricBlade> i jsut saw a tweeter about a new enyo release!
Jun 13 01:47:48 <EricBlade> AlphaJumpList, Tree, PulldownList .. nice
Jun 13 01:50:54 <fxspec06> mmmmmm enyo
Jun 13 02:20:39 <rrix> happy taco tuesday everyone
Jun 13 02:26:35 <fxspec06> oh wow. i had tacos earlier.
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