**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 18 02:59:58 2012 Jun 18 03:07:18 Zectbumo: the wiki is for Enyo 2 Jun 18 03:07:28 it is possible that it might be out of date Jun 18 03:09:59 phil_bw: is this the website you have been working on? http://taskwire.com/ Jun 18 03:10:26 invalidopcode, yeah, just figured I'd make kind of a placeholder to describe what taskwire is as I develop it Jun 18 03:10:52 invalidopcode, there's a functional todo list written with the Enyo framework in another directory :) Jun 18 03:10:53 EricBlade: thanks. I filed an issue to update the wiki Jun 18 03:11:12 phil_bw: ooooo online treasure hunt? :) Jun 18 03:11:58 invalidopcode, A) it's not very well hidden B) there's really not much on the current list C) I'm actually using the list so if you do find it and check things off I'll have to smack you around a little Jun 18 03:12:20 hahaha Jun 18 03:12:32 I'm nicer than that.... usually :P Jun 18 03:13:22 I'll let you be a real beta tester when I get to that point Jun 18 03:13:46 currently I have no login system at all so it's hard to have more than one user Jun 18 03:14:11 ah haha okay cool Jun 18 03:14:30 I actually don't have the time (or will) to go around guessing the name haha Jun 18 03:15:05 invalidopcode, once you start beta testing my todo list it'll free up lots of time for you ;) Jun 18 03:15:50 phil_bw: oooo is it magical? :P Jun 18 03:16:05 invalidopcode, if you're unorganized like me: very Jun 18 03:16:23 hahaha Jun 18 03:17:01 if you could make a task list app that I use for more than a week then you would have accomplished much :P Jun 18 03:17:45 invalidopcode, you realize my frustration Jun 18 03:18:47 you know, its strange.... the text inside that twitter widget on your webpage doesn't seem to be font-smoothed on my computer :/ Jun 18 03:19:12 it's just their official widget so I couldn't tell you why Jun 18 03:19:32 I'm looking at it on Chrome 19 in Win7 Jun 18 03:19:35 19... Jun 18 03:19:48 wtf, when did we get 19 versions of chrome? Jun 18 03:20:57 haha Jun 18 03:21:05 first time I ever looked in the about box Jun 18 03:21:11 I'm looking at it on Firefox 13.01 on Linux Jun 18 03:21:23 Arch Linux to be exact Jun 18 03:21:41 oh, I haven't really used firefox in a while Jun 18 03:22:19 I don't like Chrome, I know its fast, but I just like all the extensions and everything in firefox better Jun 18 03:22:41 let me rephrase that: I don't mind Chrome, I just prefer Firefox Jun 18 03:22:58 I use Chrome mainly because it's webkit and I find if things render in it they generally render decently in the android browser Jun 18 03:23:17 ahh Jun 18 03:23:22 honestly if I'm just browsing and not developing I use IE9 Jun 18 03:23:34 ewwwwwww :P Jun 18 03:24:17 I ran a test a while ago. Restarted my system and opened firefox, chrome, and ie9. Loaded up one page in each of them (the same one) and left it for a few days without touching it Jun 18 03:24:53 Checked my resources, firefox had run wild with my memory, chrome wasn't nearly as bad but was using a major chunk, ie9 barely used anything Jun 18 03:25:37 how long ago was that? because Firefox has been really cutting down on memory usage lately Jun 18 03:25:59 oh it was an older version, I'm sure it's better now but I haven't used it since Jun 18 03:27:28 http://lifehacker.com/5917714/browser-speed-tests-chrome-19-firefox-13-internet-explorer-9-and-opera-1164 Jun 18 03:28:31 Opera's turbo mode works wonders when running on a satellite connection Jun 18 03:28:41 used to use opera too Jun 18 03:29:21 currently I have 25 tabs open in chrome across two monitors, but again I'm developing :) Jun 18 03:29:31 only 25? :P Jun 18 03:29:49 periodically I close a few Jun 18 03:30:16 ah haha okay Jun 18 03:31:12 it's nothing like the good ol days of running about 30 windows (yeah windows, not tabs) in IE 5 I think it was on a 300mhz system. Jun 18 03:31:47 * invalidopcode is too young to remember that Jun 18 03:32:18 the earliest browser I remember is IE 6 Jun 18 03:32:51 I'm old enough to remember the most popular browser on the Mac being IE4, that was a different time Jun 18 03:33:35 actually I remember using IE on a mac Jun 18 03:33:51 my teacher used to have a really old mac that didn't have safari iirc Jun 18 03:34:18 I thought it was funny that they had a microsoft browser for mac Jun 18 03:35:37 I used to really dislike macs Jun 18 03:35:51 * invalidopcode still does Jun 18 03:36:05 but why do you dislike them? Jun 18 03:36:31 well my school growing up had a bunch of macs and three old tandy pcs Jun 18 03:36:42 I was the rebel, using dos commands when everyone was pointing and clicking Jun 18 03:36:56 haha Jun 18 03:38:08 I still find terminal much more efficient a lot of the time Jun 18 03:38:26 yeah I do as well Jun 18 03:38:34 * invalidopcode has to have a terminal emulator on all of his devices Jun 18 03:38:40 finally got around to learning vim so I rarely touch a mouse for development anymore Jun 18 03:38:58 nice Jun 18 03:39:16 I've been meaning to learn emacs, but I haven't gotten around to it Jun 18 03:39:46 I know nothing of emacs so I have no opinion on that Jun 18 03:40:05 I just like to be able to pick up development wherever I am at, so I log in to the terminal and use vim with a whole slew of plugins Jun 18 03:40:17 its supposed to be really powerful, but I usually just end up back in vim Jun 18 03:40:48 yeah vim + ssh = anywhere development Jun 18 03:42:36 yep Jun 18 03:45:20 Hmm, I feel old now knowing my oldest browser memory is Mosaic Jun 18 03:45:49 Zectbumo, or if you really want to have some bad memories the "AOL Web Browser" Jun 18 03:46:34 I was too busy swimming in my AOL cd collection ;) Jun 18 03:46:59 haha Jun 18 03:47:27 I actually requested AOL on two low density 3.5" floppies for my black and white mac plus Jun 18 03:47:42 only mac I ever liked Jun 18 03:52:48 oh yeah, those came in a tin can Jun 18 03:54:27 well, it's known that one's favorite Mac is always their first Mac. Jun 18 03:58:47 var treeNode = new TreeNode("stuff"); console.log(treeNode); .. undefined. wth Jun 18 03:59:47 maybe TreeNode.toString is returning undefined ? Jun 18 04:00:53 i wasn't even aware that was a function Jun 18 04:01:52 thank you Zectbumo Jun 18 04:02:03 :) Jun 18 04:38:40 * phil_bw wanders off Jun 18 14:41:26 anyone around using bootplate? Jun 18 14:41:31 is having node around required? Jun 18 16:05:54 I'm having a hard time tracking down why my list has a 0 height Jun 18 19:57:29 * phil_bw wanders by Jun 18 20:00:34 summatusmentis: bootplate wouldn't affect that Jun 18 20:00:43 node is not required Jun 18 20:11:38 Tibfib: seems like node is required for deploy Jun 18 20:11:56 and you're right, it wasn't bootplate, it was changes in the newest beta Jun 18 20:12:22 summatusmentis: it's not Jun 18 20:13:05 well, I got errors about node not existing Jun 18 20:13:12 and then when I installed node it went fine Jun 18 20:15:08 hey phil_bw Jun 18 20:15:40 how's it going PatrickC ? Jun 18 20:15:54 goin good Jun 18 20:16:03 finally getting some details nailed down for my next meetup Jun 18 20:16:05 good good, what's new? Jun 18 20:16:17 ah cool Jun 18 20:16:30 that, and a lot of new stuff that i'm helping set up at my new blog :) Jun 18 20:16:31 wish there were more Enyo people over here in Portland Jun 18 20:16:42 what are you using for your blog? Jun 18 20:17:23 what are we using? as in what platform? WordPress Jun 18 20:17:35 oh, so a full featured blog Jun 18 20:17:41 * PatrickC writes for http://techfanatix.com Jun 18 20:17:42 yep Jun 18 20:17:54 we're a full featured tech blog, device reviews, app reviews, news, etc. Jun 18 20:18:01 I wanted to set up a blog for taskwire but was feeling lazy so I created a blogger account Jun 18 20:18:11 then blogger got frustrating to use so I dumped it Jun 18 20:18:18 haha Jun 18 20:18:23 use http://wordpress.com Jun 18 20:18:28 free, wordpress-hosted blogs Jun 18 20:18:29 ended up just created a seperate twitter account for taskwire and slapped a widget on my front page, done Jun 18 20:18:38 and the best blogging platform on the planet :) Jun 18 20:19:00 you've got some broken links Jun 18 20:19:00 eh, I'd probably just setup another Joomla site on my own server since I have extensive knowledge of the inner workings of Joomla Jun 18 20:19:14 phil_bw: that's so gross Jun 18 20:19:27 summatusmentis: some broken links? where? Jun 18 20:19:28 I had to use joomla for stuff at one point, and it was so painful to learn Jun 18 20:19:32 wordpress is lame Jun 18 20:19:38 PatrickC: the contact us link at the bottom, at least Jun 18 20:20:10 summatusmentis: *sigh* i thought that was fixed Jun 18 20:20:16 summatusmentis, long ago I needed to set up a site for my uncle and I wanted him to maintain all of the content himself. I tried a number of CMS solutions and Joomla proved the easiest at that time so I set it up. Jun 18 20:20:25 * PatrickC goes to fix it, or take alook at how to fix it.. didn't build the theme lol Jun 18 20:20:27 to this day he still maintains his own site so I have to say I am happy with the choice Jun 18 20:20:41 phil_bw: I'd believe that it's a good solution for some Jun 18 20:20:46 phil_bw: have you tried concrete5? Jun 18 20:20:56 learning it was hard, and we may have been trying to do things that weren't kosher Jun 18 20:21:21 summatusmentis, I've setup a few more Joomla installs since and hacked a couple of them to pure death, worked great though Jun 18 20:22:00 we were on joomla 1.5, and the UI was just unintuitive Jun 18 20:22:36 it's funny because I knew my way around quite well then I tried to use wordpress and was loosssst Jun 18 20:24:56 I really don't care to try to design/code anything to do with full web sites anymore. I'm happy with just working on my two apps (one is Enyo 2.0, other is JQuery Mobile [which I don't really care for]) Jun 18 20:25:29 I'm liking enyo2 Jun 18 20:25:37 so am I Jun 18 20:26:04 I already have a working version of the app I wanted and I really only had my spare time over the past month or so to build it Jun 18 20:26:23 yeah, I re-wrote our android app in enyo2 in ~4 weeks Jun 18 20:26:38 and that's been learning enyo alongside it Jun 18 20:27:07 I'm still fighting with some of the web tech stuff, but it's going well Jun 18 20:27:15 yep, I never learned Enyo 1 (only a small dose of Mojo before it) Jun 18 20:27:51 before that it was allll PalmOS Jun 18 20:27:54 enyo2 is nice Jun 18 20:27:54 * PatrickC decided to drop JS for now Jun 18 20:28:00 i loved enyo though Jun 18 20:28:17 PatrickC: for what reason? Jun 18 20:28:38 summatusmentis: for the reason that the platform i really, really want to dev for doesn't play nicely with Enyo Jun 18 20:28:56 can I ask waht platform? Jun 18 20:28:58 PatrickC, which platform is that? Jun 18 20:29:01 because afaik, most platforms work Jun 18 20:29:02 wp7 does... Jun 18 20:29:02 WP7 Jun 18 20:29:16 doesn't play as nicely, but go use phonegap Jun 18 20:29:24 Tibfib: since when did wp7 play nicely with Enyo? last i checked it didn't render at all Jun 18 20:29:36 summatusmentis: decided to go native Jun 18 20:29:39 isn't WP7 based on IE9? Jun 18 20:29:48 PatrickC: enyo2? Jun 18 20:29:52 Tibfib: yes Jun 18 20:30:02 enyo2 should work via phonegap Jun 18 20:30:10 what I'm telling you is you can use enyo w/ phonegap, and get "native" Jun 18 20:30:32 that's what we're doing Jun 18 20:30:33 I thought germboy had an Enyo2 app running great on WP7, even has some guides written about it Jun 18 20:30:41 we're targeting wp7, ios, and android Jun 18 20:30:58 I'm targeting EVERYTHING Jun 18 20:30:59 phil_bw: germboy will be at my next meetup, so i might have to ask him :) Jun 18 20:31:18 PatrickC, I'd recommend it Jun 18 20:31:37 summatusmentis: so.. you're using a language that was originally written for webOS... and not.. publishing it to webOS? Jun 18 20:31:38 lol Jun 18 20:32:01 PatrickC: it's a smartphone app, I expect we'll publish to webOS, but I'm not convinced we'll have any users Jun 18 20:32:02 I invested a *lot* of time into native development on PalmOS then when it went under I was left with no where to go. I wish I had the option to use a cross platform solution back then Jun 18 20:32:19 phil_bw: what language did u use? Jun 18 20:32:38 Tibfib: there's not much beyond those 3 for us, the BB phones don't use their webWorks stuff yet, afaik Jun 18 20:32:39 used a proprietary language called HB++ (looked exactly like VB6) Jun 18 20:32:54 summatusmentis: hah, yeah that's what I'm targeting :) Jun 18 20:33:01 probably will release for webOS though Jun 18 20:33:14 and playbook if I get a chance Jun 18 20:33:16 I mean, we might as well release for webOS, I'm not saying we won't Jun 18 20:33:22 PatrickC, http://forums.enyojs.com/discussion/456/packaging-your-enyo-2-application-for-windows-phone-7-5 Jun 18 20:33:25 phil_bw: see, i'm using native languages that are relivent to other things :) Like C/C#/C++/Java/Etc. Jun 18 20:33:27 but it's less clear that tablets are useful to publish to Jun 18 20:33:30 for us Jun 18 20:34:27 PatrickC, then there are some zooming issues I guess so there is: http://forums.enyojs.com/discussion/353/windows-phone-7-disabling-the-default-pinchzoom-scroll-snapback-behavior Jun 18 20:34:40 and some other issues too phil_bw http://forums.enyojs.com/discussion/454/windows-phone-7-5-quirks Jun 18 20:35:01 I'd be a lot closer to release if I didn't have to redo graphics with retina graphics Jun 18 20:35:11 ive been wanting to learn C/C++/C# anyway, so ill continue.. and i have good friends who'll help if i need it.. Jun 18 20:35:19 Tibfib: lol Jun 18 20:35:29 PatrickC, it's good to learn those languages Jun 18 20:35:32 I lol'ed too ? Jun 18 20:35:55 Tibfib: how bad would the graphics had looked had u left them? Jun 18 20:36:16 it looks like a non-retina app on a retina display Jun 18 20:36:31 * PatrickC has no experience with retina displays at all Jun 18 20:36:38 or retina apps lol Jun 18 20:37:00 Tibfib, a buddy of mine wrote something for his sites that automatically take care of graphics for retina displays, I didn't pay too much attention when he was showing me because I don't own anything that uses it Jun 18 20:37:27 he was showing me a demonstration on his 4S and it was pretty cool Jun 18 20:37:42 phil_bw: nice. I've seen quite a few methods. Jun 18 20:37:47 I just need the graphics. Jun 18 20:38:08 gotcha Jun 18 20:38:21 where did I bookmark that … hmmm Jun 18 20:38:40 we don't have any graphics explicitly right now Jun 18 20:38:49 although, we will Jun 18 20:38:54 eff, that's not something I thought about Jun 18 20:40:56 this: http://www.fngtps.com/2012/reasonable-ways-to-use-high-resolution-images-on-retina-displays/ Jun 18 20:41:20 and this: http://menacingcloud.com/?c=highPixelDensityDisplays Jun 18 20:43:50 I should learn CSS3 Jun 18 20:44:01 that media query stuff seems interesting Jun 18 20:44:52 yeah the little stuff I've used is pretty awesome Jun 18 20:47:05 yeah, that same buddy of mine is becoming quite the master of css Jun 18 20:47:21 he shows me stuff his web sites do purely with css and I had no idea most of it was even possible Jun 18 20:49:27 Tibfib, if you want to see a site that really goes to town with all number of css techniques including media queries and automatically adjusting images for retina take a look at http://swimwoodburn.com/ Jun 18 20:49:50 then resize your browser and keep making it narrower and narrower, it just transforms in front of you Jun 18 20:51:14 whoa, impressive Jun 18 20:51:41 then if you really pay attention you'll see little bubbles float up. pure css Jun 18 20:52:04 bootstrap twitteryness. use it, love it. Jun 18 20:59:51 phil_bw: thats an awesome site Jun 18 20:59:56 impressive* Jun 18 21:00:36 PatrickC, I know, I feel fortunate to be good friends with that guy, he shares a lot of great techniques Jun 18 21:02:40 * phil_bw sighs Jun 18 21:02:50 I need another monitor... Jun 18 21:03:06 lol Jun 18 21:03:08 * PatrickC has one Jun 18 21:03:24 I've effectively got the real estate of three by turning my super high res one into portrait mode but it's still not enough Jun 18 21:04:50 if my laptop had another monitor out I might actually get another one Jun 18 21:05:08 oh I just got an idea Jun 18 21:05:34 * PatrickC will be downsizing screens soon Jun 18 21:05:45 * phil_bw grabs the netbook Jun 18 21:05:49 there we go, it's got a browser Jun 18 21:06:03 haha Jun 18 21:07:04 could always fire up synergy and use the same mouse and keyboard but I don't feel like it Jun 18 21:07:56 Mac? Jun 18 21:08:05 no Jun 18 21:08:26 i've got a pair of Fujitsus Jun 18 21:09:21 Fujitsu Lifebook A6030 with Win7 Pro and Fujitsu Lifebook M2011 (netbook) with Win7 Starter Jun 18 21:17:32 it's the man himself Jun 18 21:17:42 how's it going unwiredben? Jun 18 21:17:57 unwiredben is awesome.. :) Jun 18 21:18:05 hello! Jun 18 21:18:13 * PatrickC needs to have him skype into, or possibly come to the next, next meetup :) Jun 18 21:18:13 for copy/paste from API tool, see https://enyojs.atlassian.net/browse/ENYO-529 Jun 18 21:18:25 it should only require a few style changes, will happen soon Jun 18 21:18:53 as for meetups... it may be a while... life is very busy right now. Jun 18 21:19:05 that's ok Jun 18 21:19:14 i already have Jeremy scheuled to come to the next one Jun 18 21:19:58 unwiredben, you mentioned being at oscon. are you guys going to have a booth? Jun 18 21:20:15 but, maybe at the next meetup after that one, in august, you might be able to skype in :) Jun 18 21:21:28 I won't be at OSCON, but Dave Freeman and Enda McGrath will be there, IIRC Jun 18 21:21:54 su-su-su-su-sugardave Jun 18 21:22:01 my next trip is Sunnyvale for work at end of month, then NY for HOPE & GothamJS, then maybe Toronto for Throne of JS Jun 18 21:22:08 * PatrickC has always wanted to meet sugardave Jun 18 21:22:09 unwiredben, well that won't be a complete loss then :) Jun 18 21:22:42 and Tibfib, and phil_bw, and everyone else from #webOS :) Jun 18 21:23:04 hah thanks Jun 18 21:23:10 my friend and I decided to check out oscon this year, would be great to see other Enyo users, or the team for that matter Jun 18 21:23:44 * PatrickC almost used NomNomNom for another project i'm making Jun 18 21:23:45 unwiredben: Do you know of any samples of lists that use performOnRow? Jun 18 21:23:55 but it was too complicated for the small task i need to do :) Jun 18 21:24:32 unwiredben, btw great news about switching over to JIRA for issue tracking. I used to use it a lot and it's a great system. Jun 18 21:24:55 unwiredben: PM? Jun 18 21:25:11 no, I'm tech lead, Kevin is our PM Jun 18 21:25:26 tee hee Jun 18 21:25:31 lol.. i was talking about private message haha Jun 18 21:25:47 we've used JIRA for years internally, it's what the Palm QA group is used to Jun 18 21:25:49 the best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOBwx0UDjyQ Jun 18 21:25:55 ..but not me. PatrickC is scared to meet me Jun 18 21:26:11 probably because he knows i'd just kick him in the nuts and run off Jun 18 21:26:18 mmm.... jira... Jun 18 21:26:19 hahaha Jun 18 21:26:29 fxspec06 HIGHFIVE Jun 18 21:26:51 wooo Jun 18 21:26:55 fxspec06: exactly.. you and halfhalo are the two im scared of :P Jun 18 21:26:56 hha Jun 18 21:26:58 haha* Jun 18 21:27:01 * PatrickC fails Jun 18 21:27:10 in more ways than one Jun 18 21:27:52 fxspec06: actually, question for you. is Wild'n on WP7 native or enyo? Jun 18 21:28:07 Doesn't look like there's any examples of performOnRow :/ Jun 18 21:28:21 it's not enyo. Jun 18 21:28:34 you could say "native" .... but it's html5 Jun 18 21:28:49 ah, so it isn't C#.. gotcha Jun 18 21:28:57 Tibfib: I'm not finding any internal test code that uses it Jun 18 21:29:13 and it's better for it Jun 18 21:29:29 unwiredben: :( Jun 18 21:29:39 I think that's what I need, but not sure the proper way to use it Jun 18 21:30:08 well, i have my own c# code. just like i do on all the other platforms. but still html5 for the most part. heavily modified. i now have wild'n, an original webos mojo only app, on android, ios, kindle fire, bbos, webos, and wp7 Jun 18 21:30:17 meego next Jun 18 21:30:47 sheeeessshh Jun 18 21:30:47 what about Tizen? Jun 18 21:30:47 nice Jun 18 21:30:57 Tibfib: what are you trying to do? Jun 18 21:30:57 idk what Tizen is Jun 18 21:31:10 fxspec06: wait.. no web? Jun 18 21:31:43 unwiredben: I pretty much just need to modify a single element Jun 18 21:31:44 oh yeah, i have a web version.... i needa put in chrome store i suppose Jun 18 21:31:59 oh, just change the data model then call renderRow on the index Jun 18 21:32:23 I'm using a SwipeableItem (heavily modified) and I think that may be interfering Jun 18 21:32:38 unwiredben: I don't want to re render it. It's in the middle of an animation Jun 18 21:32:43 ah, I see Jun 18 21:33:06 yeah, if you need to do that, might be best to use a Repeater to start instead of a List Jun 18 21:33:29 heh, I'm in the process of moving there Jun 18 21:33:36 just worried about performance Jun 18 21:33:57 it'll be an average of 300 items I'd say Jun 18 21:34:08 that will probably be OK Jun 18 21:34:13 at least on desktop Jun 18 21:34:16 Tibfib: whats your app? :P Jun 18 21:34:21 actually, it will vary. A lot. But could be upwards of 300-1000 Jun 18 21:34:28 PatrickC: not announced yet Jun 18 21:34:41 will there be a beta? :) Jun 18 21:34:43 the whole prepareRow/lockRow mechanism was put in to allow things like this, but it never was tested out, IIRC Jun 18 21:34:45 unwiredben: :/... I'm targeting mobile Jun 18 21:35:25 the idea is that you fake the sophisticated control, then when you get an event, you can prepare the row, have it be live, then lockRow when done Jun 18 21:35:44 but lots of controls don't work well as List items Jun 18 21:35:56 anything with async behavior can be a problem Jun 18 21:36:40 I think prepareRow would work perfectly if I understood it. Jun 18 21:36:51 I'll swap to repeaters for now. It's an easy enough change Jun 18 21:37:38 hrm... I wonder if phonegap doesn't work on low versions of android Jun 18 21:38:13 I think the swipeableItem may be complicating things Jun 18 21:38:27 it calls prepareRow itself Jun 18 21:38:29 although, I may not have setup the project right before importing into eclipse Jun 18 21:39:37 unwiredben: so technically, my code is calling prepareRow a second time, mid-animation of the item. It freezes it up. Jun 18 21:40:05 yeah, prepareRow twice seems dangerout Jun 18 21:40:26 but maybe we need to add logic to flyweight repeater to allow that without harm Jun 18 21:40:41 hah, this rendered, but now it's completely uninteractive on the emulator Jun 18 21:40:42 nice Jun 18 21:40:48 ohh. so my issue may be that I don't have the proper context when editing the kind Jun 18 21:41:41 unwiredben: how do I get the context of a specific item? So this.$.control gives the one I want. Jun 18 21:41:46 summatusmentis: What version are you using? Jun 18 21:42:30 Tibfib: the emulator was 2.2 Jun 18 21:42:33 prepareRow should lock this.$.itemName to a specific row until lockRow is called Jun 18 21:43:41 fascinating, my mapstraction kind works perfectly, everything else is static Jun 18 21:44:29 unwiredben: That does not appear to be happening Jun 18 21:44:43 I wonder if this is related to renderInto(); Jun 18 21:44:44 I need to make a test case for this Jun 18 21:45:22 the claimNode code should be going and reassigning all the internal node pointers to match the row you selected Jun 18 21:45:43 prepareRow is being called by the SwipeableItem Jun 18 21:45:54 when does it call it? Jun 18 21:46:06 on dragstart Jun 18 21:46:37 it doesn't appear to ever lock it Jun 18 21:47:34 does anyone know if there's a way to test phonegap in the browser? Jun 18 21:50:36 summatusmentis: well, PhoneGap is a browser Jun 18 21:50:50 but you can try weirne to export a web inspector from a PhoneGap app Jun 18 21:50:57 weinre, I mean Jun 18 21:59:08 ah crap. i closed out my browser in the middle of a file upload, and now the app update is in limbo Jun 18 21:59:35 "The Developer Center is experiencing a technical problem at this time. Please try again later." Jun 18 22:02:49 way to break it Jun 18 22:03:44 =( Jun 18 22:04:11 i've been great at breaking things lately Jun 18 22:04:35 no worries, I broke the List kind Jun 18 22:05:44 yeah and I'm writing a very complex regex so I might as well have broke something Jun 18 22:09:08 I can't write regex without rubular Jun 18 22:09:40 I generally use txt2re but it's having issues with tabs Jun 18 22:15:29 i wonder how good this will work with Enyo? http://koding.com?lrRef=xBdYd Jun 18 22:19:16 looks sweeet Jun 18 22:20:43 i'm hoping they step it up and release public beta soon.. they said "soon" back in april lol Jun 18 22:20:55 the timeframe sounds kinda familiar :) Jun 18 22:21:18 PatrickC, nothing quite as good as that existed when I was looking so I gave up and just went the vim in a terminal route, has worked well so far :) Jun 18 22:21:34 phil_bw: i can't go vim and terminal haha Jun 18 22:21:38 i have to have a real editor :) Jun 18 22:22:00 * PatrickC hopes it will be kinda/sorta like ares when it launches Jun 18 22:22:00 PatrickC, name a feature a "real editor" needs to have, bet I've got it :P Jun 18 22:22:11 phil_bw: ease of learning :) Jun 18 22:22:18 or... no learning haha Jun 18 22:22:43 you said "real editor" not "easy to use with a mouse editor" Jun 18 22:23:02 real editor === Sublime Text 2 Jun 18 22:23:10 or Visual Studio/Eclipse Jun 18 22:23:17 none of those run on my phone Jun 18 22:23:19 (though i hate eclipse lol) Jun 18 22:23:28 nor are they super portable Jun 18 22:23:56 but hey, everyone has different styles Jun 18 22:24:18 I used a mouse based editor for years and years, really loved HB++ back in the day, got quite used to Komodo Edit Jun 18 22:25:15 ive tried and tried to get used to vim Jun 18 22:25:18 but i just cant lol Jun 18 22:26:00 yeah it's not easy, I think the biggest problem is people try to adapt themself to vim rather than make vim do the adapting Jun 18 22:26:16 for example I can't stand editing any kind of text on a black background Jun 18 22:26:34 so I made my own color scheme that matches the IDEs I used Jun 18 22:26:53 black on white with blue variables, red strings, purple functions, etc Jun 18 22:27:27 then it was just a matter of finding the plugins that created the functionality I was used to (syntax checking, file management, snippets, etc) Jun 18 22:28:47 then again, you're 16. When I was 16 I was writing code in QBasic on a 386 so kudos for how much you've already learned Jun 18 22:28:56 lol Jun 18 22:29:00 thanks :) Jun 18 22:34:32 btw, if I ever start sounding like "i'm better than you" don't take it that way alright? sometimes i get excited and brag about what I'm excited about and it sounds that way... bad habbit Jun 18 22:38:11 phil_bw: don't worry.. im the same way haha Jun 18 22:38:29 sometimes i say something, then think.. "crap.. did it sound that way to them??" Jun 18 22:38:38 it's a bad habbit a lot of us tech enthusiests get into Jun 18 22:38:53 yeah, especially blog writers :) Jun 18 22:39:27 then I hang around my friend Luke and he could be a *total* Apple fan boy, he loves their stuff, but he never brags and he'll make a negative mac joke before most Jun 18 22:40:30 dude never goes on about how great apple is, or how much windows sucks Jun 18 22:41:18 really? Jun 18 22:41:18 wow Jun 18 22:41:42 yeah, he's got the mac, iphone, used to work for Apple tech support Jun 18 22:42:10 * PatrickC only wishes he could work for apple Jun 18 22:42:22 he hated it btw Jun 18 22:42:40 oh, i would hate to work in tech support Jun 18 22:42:46 i just want to work in like the Apple store Jun 18 22:42:50 "WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY COMPUTER IS SHIPPING FROM CHINA?!?! I WANT ONE FROM CUPERTINO!" Jun 18 22:42:51 or at corperate somewhere :) Jun 18 22:43:13 phil_bw: one issue.. i think all apple computers ship from CA, don't they? Jun 18 22:43:39 PatrickC, usually they do, this guy had a problem and either the repaired computer or replacement computer was shipping straight from China Jun 18 22:43:53 haha Jun 18 22:44:02 this guy seemed to think Apples were built in the USA Jun 18 22:45:08 designed, yes.. built, wait.. they stull build things in the USA? :P Jun 18 22:46:15 most of my electronics/applicances came from Korea Jun 18 22:46:21 phil_bw: PM? (i know it's just us on the channel right now, but this is way off topic) Jun 18 22:46:27 haha Jun 18 22:46:34 * phil_bw is the king of off topic Jun 18 22:46:38 PMs are always fine Jun 18 22:46:40 * PatrickC is too :) Jun 18 22:48:42 my windows is breaking. Jun 18 22:49:19 my doors is breaking Jun 18 22:49:20 windows is always breaking Jun 18 22:50:22 this is such a sketchy event Jun 18 22:58:19 HALLELUJAH. I got this to work Jun 18 22:58:23 I'm going to go cry now Jun 18 22:58:31 Tibfib, congrats Jun 18 22:58:52 the amount of time this took is ridiculous Jun 18 22:59:37 phil_bw: thank you sir Jun 18 23:03:49 Tibfib: awesome! Jun 18 23:08:35 phil_bw: you have a PM Jun 18 23:08:59 PatrickC, I am a PM Jun 18 23:09:03 Phil Miller :P Jun 18 23:09:07 haha Jun 18 23:09:44 and you sir are a PC which is actually more amusing Jun 18 23:10:17 * PatrickC is a PC who is getting ready to purchase a Mac :) Jun 18 23:11:35